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Post by Coda on Apr 15, 2017 20:25:37 GMT
I don't see why they insist on doing this now. These kinds of mechanics pretty much guarantee that the game won't have any long term growth, if new players are going to see the monumental grind on top of the bonus stats.
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Post by vomder on Apr 15, 2017 20:27:12 GMT
Well if you really want these to go faster now is the time to do it. That is if they actually fix the double booster equipping.
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Post by Abramsrunner on Apr 15, 2017 20:29:44 GMT
I'm almost at level 4 Shields bonus stat.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 20:38:22 GMT
500% health and recharge rate.... A five hundred percent boost isn't that much considering that it would take you a thousand matches to get there. It should be a +1000% boost to make it remotely worthwhile. it's not 200 games for 10%, it's actually around 1000, if not more |
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Post by gethadept on Apr 15, 2017 20:39:49 GMT
10% universal power recharge rate reduction would be extremely useful though.
That one second...
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Post by missileglitcher on Apr 15, 2017 20:47:13 GMT
A five hundred percent boost isn't that much considering that it would take you a thousand matches to get there. It should be a +1000% boost to make it remotely worthwhile. it's not 200 games for 10%, it's actually around 1000, if not more Damn...that is one hell of a grind! In a way, it's probably a good thing that the current bonus stat boosts are completely worthless, because it means we don't even need to think about them. For instance, I can hardly notice +30% power recharge speeds, or +25 max shields, or even -40% shield regeneration delay...I definitely wouldn't be able to notice a measly 10% difference. So yeah, all in all we can completely disregard the bonus stat perks. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 20:58:41 GMT
Wait, I thought the thing ends at level 6, so 6% for each stat?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 23:36:30 GMT
Bonus stats are just a bonus gimmick, nothing to actually farm for. Just not worth it.
Given that it took about 600-700 hours to max a manifest in ME3MP, I'm surprised to see someone complaining that he already had to spend 79 Hours!! up to this point. I mean, srsly? The grind was always there, now just more than ever.
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Post by Darks1te on Apr 16, 2017 6:36:25 GMT
Wait, I thought the thing ends at level 6, so 6% for each stat? It's 10. |
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Post by TormDK on Apr 16, 2017 7:56:34 GMT
Wait, I thought the thing ends at level 6, so 6% for each stat? It's 10. Rank 6 gets you an achivement though!111!!1!! (which is very important) |
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Post by rolenka on Apr 16, 2017 8:03:33 GMT
I agree the effects are functionally zero and they take too long to get. I would rather they not be included at all than exist as they do now.
To not be functionally zero, it would have to be enough to let you survive an additional hit, for example. As it stands now, the chances of that are infinitesimally small. To the point I doubt it has ever occurred for any player.
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Post by Darks1te on Apr 16, 2017 9:01:44 GMT
I agree the effects are functionally zero and they take too long to get. I would rather they not be included at all than exist as they do now.To not be functionally zero, it would have to be enough to let you survive an additional hit, for example. As it stands now, the chances of that are infinitesimally small. To the point I doubt it has ever occurred for any player. Why? Something is better than nothing, no? |
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Post by sulaco on Apr 16, 2017 9:39:11 GMT
Typical Bioware, going from one extreme in daimp (10% power gain per week) to another extreme in meamp (10% power gain per year).
What can't they ever find the middle ground.
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Post by Leland Gaunt on Apr 16, 2017 10:33:56 GMT
The bonus-stats are abyssmal. So much playtime needed to get a useless 10% increase in the end.
I mean, bonus stats are nice, but in this case, they definitely overdid it with the requirements.
It's not like 10% off anything will suddenly make the game too easy. Shit-guns will keep that in check ^^
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Post by Stinja on Apr 16, 2017 11:07:07 GMT
Rank 6 gets you an achivement though!111!!1!! (which is very important) Get that in single player. Much easier. Conversely: 5x Golds is far easier than a complete run of SP on Insanity (time wise, if nothing else). Biower can't even balance trophies / achievements...  |
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Post by Kenny Bania on Apr 16, 2017 11:12:56 GMT
Rank 6 gets you an achivement though!111!!1!! (which is very important) Get that in single player. Much easier. Conversely: 5x Golds is far easier than a complete run of SP on Insanity (time wise, if nothing else). Biower can't even balance trophies / achievements... I lol'd. |
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Post by tatsumaki on Apr 16, 2017 11:48:53 GMT
They missed out one category. "Increases chance of Ultra Rare from Packs"  and/or "Chance to gain additional free pack of the same type upon purchase. This cannot happen more than once" |
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Post by treoir on Apr 16, 2017 12:41:49 GMT
The bonus-stats are abyssmal. So much playtime needed to get a useless 10% increase in the end. I mean, bonus stats are nice, but in this case, they definitely overdid it with the requirements. It's not like 10% off anything will suddenly make the game too easy. Shit-guns will keep that in check ^^ Maybe that 10% bonus will not be game breaking. However, the amount of practice you get, achieving that 10% bonus? That will make the game seem easy. |
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Post by rolenka on Apr 16, 2017 13:51:32 GMT
I agree the effects are functionally zero and they take too long to get. I would rather they not be included at all than exist as they do now.To not be functionally zero, it would have to be enough to let you survive an additional hit, for example. As it stands now, the chances of that are infinitesimally small. To the point I doubt it has ever occurred for any player. Why? Something is better than nothing, no? In this case it isn't. That's my point... |
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Post by TormDK on Apr 16, 2017 17:38:05 GMT
Why? Something is better than nothing, no? In this case it isn't. That's my point... Huh? How can something not be better than nothing? By the time someone has maxed their manifest, they will have several of those bonus stats at cap. It will likely also matter on Platinum once that becomes reality. |
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Post by rolenka on Apr 16, 2017 22:55:38 GMT
In this case it isn't. That's my point... Huh? How can something not be better than nothing? By the time someone has maxed their manifest, they will have several of those bonus stats at cap. It will likely also matter on Platinum once that becomes reality. Because they are small enough to be functionally zero. Let's say you have 1,000 health and you are hit for 300 damage per attack. You have 5 bonus health. 1,005 - 300 = 705 705 - 300 = 405 405 - 300 = 105 105 - 300 = dead Now let's try with zero bonus health. 1,000 - 300 = 70 700 - 300 = 400 400 - 300 = 100 100 - 300 = dead Either way, it takes four attacks to kill you. Functionally zero. The chances of the bonus health saving you for an additional hit are infinitesimally small. A thousand players playing for a thousand hours, and I'd bet you could count the times it mattered on one hand. |
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Post by asherax on Apr 16, 2017 23:10:31 GMT
Huh? How can something not be better than nothing? By the time someone has maxed their manifest, they will have several of those bonus stats at cap. It will likely also matter on Platinum once that becomes reality. Because they are small enough to be functionally zero. Let's say you have 1,000 health and you are hit for 300 damage per attack. You have 5 bonus health. 1,005 - 300 = 705 705 - 300 = 405 405 - 300 = 105 105 - 300 = dead Now let's try with zero bonus health. 1,000 - 300 = 70 700 - 300 = 400 400 - 300 = 100 100 - 300 = dead Either way, it takes four attacks to kill you. Functionally zero. The chances of the bonus health saving you for an additional hit are infinitesimally small. A thousand players playing for a thousand hours, and I'd bet you could count the times it mattered on one hand. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't prestige boni percentage based? So even lvl 1 prestige bonus to health would add 10 health to a base health of 1,000. lvl 5 would mean 1,050 health. Effectively, increasing the range of damage taken per hit which you could survive. Another thing noone mentioned, is whether the bonusses are additive or multiplative with bonusses from passive skills and such. Even if they're "just" additive, they do bring surviving an extra hit that one little step closer. Why wouldn't a 5% bonus help, when a 30% bonus does? Both help, even if a 30% bonus obviously helps more. Save |
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Post by rolenka on Apr 17, 2017 0:14:27 GMT
Because they are small enough to be functionally zero. Let's say you have 1,000 health and you are hit for 300 damage per attack. You have 5 bonus health. 1,005 - 300 = 705 705 - 300 = 405 405 - 300 = 105 105 - 300 = dead Now let's try with zero bonus health. 1,000 - 300 = 70 700 - 300 = 400 400 - 300 = 100 100 - 300 = dead Either way, it takes four attacks to kill you. Functionally zero. The chances of the bonus health saving you for an additional hit are infinitesimally small. A thousand players playing for a thousand hours, and I'd bet you could count the times it mattered on one hand. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't prestige boni percentage based? So even lvl 1 prestige bonus to health would add 10 health to a base health of 1,000. lvl 5 would mean 1,050 health. Effectively, increasing the range of damage taken per hit which you could survive. Another thing noone mentioned, is whether the bonusses are additive or multiplative with bonusses from passive skills and such. Even if they're "just" additive, they do bring surviving an extra hit that one little step closer. Why wouldn't a 5% bonus help, when a 30% bonus does? Both help, even if a 30% bonus obviously helps more. SaveObviously I used arbitrary numbers to explain what I'm talking about more clearly. |
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Post by victornero7 on Apr 17, 2017 0:35:38 GMT
tbh everything on this game is just as pointless
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