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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 20:46:00 GMT
That pic? Isn't their skin purple and eyes white though?
Tali had black lines and punks skin and black hair and white eyes and when we saw Wuarians in the extended cut you can't tell if their eyes are white or black lines, just purplish skins
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Post by SwobyJ on Apr 27, 2017 20:47:06 GMT
That pic? Isn't their skin purple and eyes white though? Tali had black lines and punks skin and black hair and white eyes and when we saw Wuarians in the extended cut you can't tell if their eyes are white or black lines, just purplish skins That's why I said 'not quite so human'. Change the skin and eyes some, like you indicated, and it'd be closer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 21:13:10 GMT
All non-Peebee asari have the same face. Is there actually any chance that Bioware will design what will essentially be a new alien race for both genders rather than use the same suits that don't require facial animations?
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Post by antmarch456 on Apr 27, 2017 22:35:04 GMT
Now I want a male quarian with a poncho that uses a revolver-type weapon (Sidewinder) and constantly says "It's hiiiiiigh noon."Before the game came out, I had a dream there was going to be a male Quarian companion who was a Clint Eastwood/Man With No Name type of bounty hunter. I was a little disappointed when the info on Peebee came out and it listed her as a 'gunslinger' Peebee's not the "gunslinger" I wanted, but I love the Sidewinder she uses, so she can stay. Plus, she's my first romance
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 28, 2017 4:02:28 GMT
Even if they don't, I still expect the quarians will wear them. Tali talks about how much they have become a part of their culture so even after adjusting to Rannoch they might still wear them. True, but they might not have full helmets, perhaps just the scarf-looking cloth. Heck, even if they still wore them, now would be as good a time as any for them to have transparent visors. There was never really a reason for that except the meta "We haven't designed their faces". Anyway, I think it would be interesting if they didn't need them anymore. It would be cool to have them live on a world with turians. If their Ark has a Pathfinder and therefore a SAM (likely), perhaps it could have found a solution based on its Pathfinder and applied it to the others, like how the Geth integrated with quarian suits in ME3 if you made peace. Clear visors would be cool. I'd rather not have any silly stories like we had with the krogan. The krogan were in stasis, which presumably freezes metabolic processes. This should mean that genetic or epigenetic changes are impossible. The krogan could only have been altered if they weren't truly in stasis, which means that they'd still be aging, even if space magic allows them to age at a decreased rate. (The game, of course, just presents it as "modified while in stasis".) The quarians couldn't afford to age, even at a slower rate. This means an impossible backstory, like the krogan situation. Ugh. I'll pass. Give us clear visors, please. Quarians look like humans with luminous eyes, basically. It shouldn't be difficult.
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Post by Ianamus on Apr 28, 2017 9:38:15 GMT
All non-Peebee asari have the same face. Is there actually any chance that Bioware will design what will essentially be a new alien race for both genders rather than use the same suits that don't require facial animations? I could see them giving quarians proper faces in a sequel, but not in Andromeda dlc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 12:00:35 GMT
All non-Peebee asari have the same face. Is there actually any chance that Bioware will design what will essentially be a new alien race for both genders rather than use the same suits that don't require facial animations? I could see them giving quarians proper faces in a sequel, but not in Andromeda dlc. True and hopefully likely. If the DLC also has drell, volus, hanar, and elcor (I'm not sure if that's certain?) then there's already a lot of character modeling that will have to occur. That's a lot of work for DLC rather than a new game. Of course I wouldn't be surprised if much of the work of the DLC had been started before MEA's release. I think Bio gave a statement that none of JOH had been started before DAI was released, but was any such statement given for MEA?
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Post by Ianamus on Apr 28, 2017 21:57:54 GMT
I could see them giving quarians proper faces in a sequel, but not in Andromeda dlc. True and hopefully likely. If the DLC also has drell, volus, hanar, and elcor (I'm not sure if that's certain?) then there's already a lot of character modeling that will have to occur. That's a lot of work for DLC rather than a new game. Of course I wouldn't be surprised if much of the work of the DLC had been started before MEA's release. I think Bio gave a statement that none of JOH had been started before DAI was released, but was any such statement given for MEA? I'm pretty sure they wont include all of the races on the ark in the dlc. The only ones we know have been woken up are the quarians, because we hear one speaking, and as it is their ark they are likely most of the crew and the pathfinder. They could easily keep the Hanar, Drell, Volus and other species in stasis with a handwave that there aren't the resources to support them just yet. I think that the two races they'll start with are the quarians (obviously) and drell, as they can also be added to multiplayer.
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Post by SwobyJ on Apr 29, 2017 5:26:43 GMT
All non-Peebee asari have the same face. Is there actually any chance that Bioware will design what will essentially be a new alien race for both genders rather than use the same suits that don't require facial animations? I could see them giving quarians proper faces in a sequel, but not in Andromeda dlc. I would like at least a scene of a helmet-less quarian in a safe environment. If only because I believe Bioware uses DLC for a cheaper testing ground and that's the perfect sounding testing ground thing for the next game.
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Post by SwobyJ on Apr 29, 2017 5:28:06 GMT
True and hopefully likely. If the DLC also has drell, volus, hanar, and elcor (I'm not sure if that's certain?) then there's already a lot of character modeling that will have to occur. That's a lot of work for DLC rather than a new game. Of course I wouldn't be surprised if much of the work of the DLC had been started before MEA's release. I think Bio gave a statement that none of JOH had been started before DAI was released, but was any such statement given for MEA? I'm pretty sure they wont include all of the races on the ark in the dlc. The only ones we know have been woken up are the quarians, because we hear one speaking, and as it is their ark they are likely most of the crew and the pathfinder. They could easily keep the Hanar, Drell, Volus and other species in stasis with a handwave that there aren't the resources to support them just yet. I think that the two races they'll start with are the quarians (obviously) and drell, as they can also be added to multiplayer. I think so too. Then we can cross fingers about the rest being a bigger deal than ever, maybe, for the next game. Maybe we'll finally get Hanar strangle-kills in MP combat?
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Post by Serza on Apr 29, 2017 9:27:05 GMT
Better question: Will Quarians wear the same kinds of suits they wore in ME 2 and 3? I'd like to see Quarians with different kinds of helmets and covering fabric/hoods/scarves/ ponchosNow I want a male quarian with a poncho that uses a revolver-type weapon (Sidewinder) and constantly says "It's hiiiiiigh noon."I see your Quarian McCree and raise you a Kal MOTHERFUCKING Reegar, the most badass Quarian to ever Quarian in the history of the Quarian race. I just don't know how hey look! Some say the Tali design isn't canon we need a quarian squadmate (can be bi male so guys have gay liens! And straight girls get Wuarians too since they never could) but he could not wear wear the suit in some scenes and say he only wears it when he wants to be battle ready. Maybe even show him take the helmet off I think the edited photo we saw in ME3 was a rushed representation that they for whatever flub thought was good enough. Facepalm, yes, but I think if we see a Quarian, they'd be more similar to humans than any other species (even asari, at least sorta), but with added otherworldly elements. This though maybe not quite so human (the skin tone is especially unnecessary): I think they had an okay idea, and I guess that idea is that the Quarians have an aesthetic is like ... I dunno, something like 'synthetic, organic artistry'. Like a sort of transhumanity (that isn't actually transhuman) that has some visualizations and aspects of a future humanity, without actually being so. There's differences in body shape, eyes, speech, and so on, but when I've looked at them pre-ME3 and then with whatever they offered in ME3, I saw a species that was the most like what-if humanity took a different track. That said, I can understand the 'non-canon' argument. How is she even uncovered... anywhere? Let alone 'outside'. Either its a handwave (most likely), non-canon (weird given its placement), or there's the most crazy and unknown story concepts at play (WOWOWOOWWWW TIME TRAVELZZZZ MIND ILLUSIONS etc) that we wouldn't know anything about yet anyway so whatever. But I don't think Bioware would only toss 'whatever' in. That may have been their approach to finally putting it there, but not where they'd get all the ideas from. Of course they had discussions about how Quarians would look. Yes. That. Exactly that. I'm also fond of this one: It links to Deviant Art, but far as my research went, it's actually a concept art for Tali the person just reuploaded. True and hopefully likely. If the DLC also has drell, volus, hanar, and elcor (I'm not sure if that's certain?) then there's already a lot of character modeling that will have to occur. That's a lot of work for DLC rather than a new game. Of course I wouldn't be surprised if much of the work of the DLC had been started before MEA's release. I think Bio gave a statement that none of JOH had been started before DAI was released, but was any such statement given for MEA? I'm pretty sure they wont include all of the races on the ark in the dlc. The only ones we know have been woken up are the quarians, because we hear one speaking, and as it is their ark they are likely most of the crew and the pathfinder. They could easily keep the Hanar, Drell, Volus and other species in stasis with a handwave that there aren't the resources to support them just yet. I think that the two races they'll start with are the quarians (obviously) and drell, as they can also be added to multiplayer. Quarian. Pathfinder. If they're Kal'Reegar's sibling, I'll fanboy all the way to Andromeda.
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Post by fizzypop on May 3, 2017 5:08:34 GMT
Nope I want them to not be suit bound. The suit bound stuff didn't even make a whole lot of sense to be honest. If you were that sensitive you wouldn't be alive biologically. I find it hard to believe with evolution as a thing you'd have such a low immune system that you could never find a way to live anywhere else except 1 place especially as a planet would have thousands of its own biomes on it. Quarians would HAVE to be used to several biomes just to have evolved on the planet. It just makes no sense. Even real life people with compromised immune systems don't have the sorts of problems they have.
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Post by dazk on May 3, 2017 9:11:07 GMT
True and hopefully likely. If the DLC also has drell, volus, hanar, and elcor (I'm not sure if that's certain?) then there's already a lot of character modeling that will have to occur. That's a lot of work for DLC rather than a new game. Of course I wouldn't be surprised if much of the work of the DLC had been started before MEA's release. I think Bio gave a statement that none of JOH had been started before DAI was released, but was any such statement given for MEA? I'm pretty sure they wont include all of the races on the ark in the dlc. The only ones we know have been woken up are the quarians, because we hear one speaking, and as it is their ark they are likely most of the crew and the pathfinder. They could easily keep the Hanar, Drell, Volus and other species in stasis with a handwave that there aren't the resources to support them just yet. I think that the two races they'll start with are the quarians (obviously) and drell, as they can also be added to multiplayer. What if the crisis on the quarian ark is that some of the species went crazy when being wakened from stasis and end up being killed. That'd solve them having to include them in actual gameplay.
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Post by Sifr on May 3, 2017 16:06:53 GMT
Given SAM's ability to interact with organic physiology, wouldn't it be possible to take that principle and use it to augment the the Quarian's immune system? We're told in ME3 that the Geth were working on something similar if they achieve peace with the Quarians, interfacing with their suits and attempting to bolster their immune systems so they wouldn't need their suits anymore.
(It apparently happens even sooner than expected in the Synthesis Extended Ending... although we should really take everything from that deus ex machina, wishy-washy, space magic ending with a grain of salt)
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Post by dmc1001 on May 3, 2017 23:17:11 GMT
Nope I want them to not be suit bound. The suit bound stuff didn't even make a whole lot of sense to be honest. If you were that sensitive you wouldn't be alive biologically. I find it hard to believe with evolution as a thing you'd have such a low immune system that you could never find a way to live anywhere else except 1 place especially as a planet would have thousands of its own biomes on it. Quarians would HAVE to be used to several biomes just to have evolved on the planet. It just makes no sense. Even real life people with compromised immune systems don't have the sorts of problems they have. I'm pretty sure that at the time of the Morning War that the quarians lived on more than one planet. (Can't find a source for it online, though, so I'm not 100% sure about it). Tali doesn't argue that quarians can't live on other planets. She just says that it would take a long time for their immune systems to acclimate to another world. However, living in space has been worse for them so I really don't see the point. Also, it turns out the quarians had a symbiotic relationship to the microbes and viruses on Rannoch so that they were actually beneficial to them. If quarians were able to access these microbes and viruses and bring them with them it seems like it might be a lot easier for them to colonize other worlds.
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Post by NUM13ER on May 4, 2017 13:49:58 GMT
Given SAM's ability to interact with organic physiology, wouldn't it be possible to take that principle and use it to augment the the Quarian's immune system? We're told in ME3 that the Geth were working on something similar if they achieve peace with the Quarians, interfacing with their suits and attempting to bolster their immune systems so they wouldn't need their suits anymore. (It apparently happens even sooner than expected in the Synthesis Extended Ending... although we should really take everything from that deus ex machina, wishy-washy, space magic ending with a grain of salt) True but it's interesting given the Quarians we've known generally hold anti-AI bias because of their history with the geth That said perhaps the group that left did so because they were more willing to give artificial intelligence another shot. They presumably have their own pathfinder and SAM after all.
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Post by Sifr on May 4, 2017 19:58:43 GMT
True but it's interesting given the Quarians we've known generally hold anti-AI bias because of their history with the geth That said perhaps the group that left did so because they were more willing to give artificial intelligence another shot. They presumably have their own pathfinder and SAM after all. We know that some Quarians like Admiral Koris believe that they were wrong to treat the Geth as slaves and that they rebelled for good reason. Also that during the Morning War, there were Quarians sympathetic to the Geth who died attempting to defend them. Might be that the Quarians who joined the Andromeda Initiative decided to leave the flotilla (or were exiled) due to holding similar views? Maybe some of them wanted to conduct AI research with the intention of trying to foster a better understanding of the Geth, rather than attempting to find new ways to combat them?
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Post by gplayer on May 5, 2017 14:03:20 GMT
The OT has been over for 5 years, and the universe has matured enough that the mystery of what the Quarians look like no longer commands any intrigue. We need new mysteries and intrigue and so if the Quarians make it, I would like to see new costumes for them. At this point them keeping the OT suits will be like Kasumi not dressing up to blend in with Shep in her loyalty mission (she gets turned away at the door and has to improvise) - just a plot device so they don't have to sink the hours into designing her face.
That being said, would people be ok with a Kasumi style suit where the face is partially obscured? It works for her outside of fancy soiree's because of master theif motif. But not sure if it will work for every Quarian.
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Post by fizzypop on May 6, 2017 19:15:17 GMT
Nope I want them to not be suit bound. The suit bound stuff didn't even make a whole lot of sense to be honest. If you were that sensitive you wouldn't be alive biologically. I find it hard to believe with evolution as a thing you'd have such a low immune system that you could never find a way to live anywhere else except 1 place especially as a planet would have thousands of its own biomes on it. Quarians would HAVE to be used to several biomes just to have evolved on the planet. It just makes no sense. Even real life people with compromised immune systems don't have the sorts of problems they have. I'm pretty sure that at the time of the Morning War that the quarians lived on more than one planet. (Can't find a source for it online, though, so I'm not 100% sure about it). Tali doesn't argue that quarians can't live on other planets. She just says that it would take a long time for their immune systems to acclimate to another world. However, living in space has been worse for them so I really don't see the point. Also, it turns out the quarians had a symbiotic relationship to the microbes and viruses on Rannoch so that they were actually beneficial to them. If quarians were able to access these microbes and viruses and bring them with them it seems like it might be a lot easier for them to colonize other worlds. I understand this, but it doesn't make any actual sense biologically. I am a biologist. Evolution can only act on traits that are already present within a population. I find it very hard if not impossible to believe that evolution would select for individuals who have no or a low immune system. Typically even in environments where they are well suited having NO or LOW immune system would be fatal. You can't be "immune" to everything so it makes no biological sense even if they were on their home planet entirely. Thousands of biomes exist on earth that variation alone would have killed them if they really had such a sensitive immune system. They wouldn't have been able to colonize an entire planet. Also humans and other animals have a symbiotic relationship with microbes and plants on earth. We still have our own immune system because even things that are helpful to us may overgrow. For instance the bacteria that causes acne normally lives on the skin and usually has no issues because other bacteria help keep growth and balance in check, but sometimes it becomes more dominant in a region or gets into a pore all hell breaks loose. Same for yeast which is normally present inside of vaginas, but if the balance or pH of a vagina starts to favor it, it overgrows > yeast infection. Many plants and trees for instance need external help to propagate. Nuts from trees being eaten by birds actually activates the seed once it is pooped out. We still have our own immune system though and so do other animals. Like I said it just never made any sense. Yeah they should have just settled another planet and vaccinated against things that were truly dangerous to them. Though I do like your idea about taking along the things they need to help colonize a world it'd be a nice "lore" explanation for why they don't need suits. I don't really care how we get there, but I want suitless quarians or in the process of being suitless. Tired of the weird restrictions that never really made any sense anyways.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 6, 2017 19:24:10 GMT
I understand this, but it doesn't make any actual sense biologically. I am a biologist. Evolution can only act on traits that are already present within a population. I find it very hard if not impossible to believe that evolution would select for individuals who have no or a low immune system. Typically even in environments where they are well suited having NO or LOW immune system would be fatal. You can't be "immune" to everything so it makes no biological sense even if they were on their home planet entirely. Thousands of biomes exist on earth that variation alone would have killed them if they really had such a sensitive immune system. They wouldn't have been able to colonize an entire planet. Also humans and other animals have a symbiotic relationship with microbes and plants on earth. We still have our own immune system because even things that are helpful to us may overgrow. For instance the bacteria that causes acne normally lives on the skin and usually has no issues because other bacteria help keep growth and balance in check, but sometimes it becomes more dominant in a region or gets into a pore all hell breaks loose. Same for yeast which is normally present inside of vaginas, but if the balance or pH of a vagina starts to favor it, it overgrows > yeast infection. Many plants and trees for instance need external help to propagate. Nuts from trees being eaten by birds actually activates the seed once it is pooped out. We still have our own immune system though and so do other animals. Like I said it just never made any sense. Yeah they should have just settled another planet and vaccinated against things that were truly dangerous to them. Though I do like your idea about taking along the things they need to help colonize a world it'd be a nice "lore" explanation for why they don't need suits. I don't really care how we get there, but I want suitless quarians or in the process of being suitless. Tired of the weird restrictions that never really made any sense anyways. I almost put in my comments that I was aware we also had a symbiotic relationship with microbes and plants on Earth but then just opted to leave it out. There's one thing that might make sense in regard to the quarians. Perhaps they aren't native to Rannoch and just don't know it. Agreed on the suits. Would love them to be absent. I know Tali thought quarians would keep them but I kind of doubt it. The idea of being free has to be more important than some culture ideas. Maybe they'd generally cover up with CLOTHES (conservative dress, covering arms, legs, neck and maybe hair) but not those suits.
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Post by Sifr on May 6, 2017 20:57:07 GMT
If they are able to go outside their suits, the Quarians probably retain the distinctive hoods (although worn down), shawls and belts. After having worn that style of fashion for centuries, you could imagine they'd keep up the habit even though the suits were no longer necessary.
While older Quarians might retain the traditional style, it would be nice to see younger Quarians experimenting with new fashion. Before they had to take practical considerations into account and how it might impede their suits, limiting what they could wear. Now young Quarians are able to go sleeveless and adorn themselves with frivolous accessories (bracelets, necklaces etc) if they wish.
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