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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Apr 24, 2017 2:05:14 GMT
Yeah, we were talking about that upthread. I suppose the ending really is worse, but since I think the series was always pretty bad this wasn't all that important for me to think about. Just one more thing to put up with. I suppose what I'm really asking is: Why can't Bioware approach world building and storytelling like, say, Obsidian?
They are not utterly incapable. Some of the DA lore is fairly intricate and well-written. But especially with ME, it looks like someone *really* hates consistency and logic.
Just a guess but the one consistent person high up in the creation process for most of the rool of cool ME idiocy is SuperMac.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 24, 2017 2:11:04 GMT
I suppose what I'm really asking is: Why can't Bioware approach world building and storytelling like, say, Obsidian?
They are not utterly incapable. Some of the DA lore is fairly intricate and well-written. But especially with ME, it looks like someone *really* hates consistency and logic.
Just a guess but the one consistent person high up in the creation process for most of the rool of cool ME idiocy is SuperMac. Boom! Goes the MOAB. I agree. You can't always produce hit after hit without having a few misses, but when you screw up lore and canon, you're going to piss off the mental cases like myself that are invested into the series.
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Post by Petroshenko on Apr 24, 2017 2:20:52 GMT
I still hold that the Reapers arrival should have been kept until the final act of ME3, when they arrived and no one in the galaxy was ready for them it should have been a Critical Mission Failure screen, you know sort of like the fail ending of the Arrival DLC. Also regarding Glowboy, doesn't he actually wake Shepard up to talk to him? If he had just stayed quiet Shepard would probably have bled out, or the Reapers would have had enough time to wipe out the fleets and Crucible. At the very least drop in a few husks to finish Shepard off. Man I hate thinking about the ending, even 5 years on it gives me a headache. Yes, which is why I believe that the Catalyst not only wanted to end doing things the way they've been done for billions of years, but that it was behind the Crucible in the first place. If the Catalyst is required for it to work it stands to reason it's because the Catalyst created it and then "leaked" information about it to various organics in multiple cycles. Eventually, enough was added to it to make what the Catalyst wanted. Then, combined with the Protheans stopping the Keeper signal and getting a full invasion, the plan is enacted. Sure, this is headcanon, but to me it makes sense. Or it stands to reason that Leviathans tampered with the design and included the Catalyst in it to rewrite it. They're the only ones who know about its existance afterall other than the Catalyst/Reapers themselves and the cinematic closeup on shifty-eyes when you ask the Leviathan about the Crucible is clearly intentional.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 24, 2017 2:22:37 GMT
Yes, which is why I believe that the Catalyst not only wanted to end doing things the way they've been done for billions of years, but that it was behind the Crucible in the first place. If the Catalyst is required for it to work it stands to reason it's because the Catalyst created it and then "leaked" information about it to various organics in multiple cycles. Eventually, enough was added to it to make what the Catalyst wanted. Then, combined with the Protheans stopping the Keeper signal and getting a full invasion, the plan is enacted. Sure, this is headcanon, but to me it makes sense. Or it stands to reason that Leviathans tampered with the design and included the Catalyst in it to rewrite it. They're the only ones who know about its existance afterall other than the Catalyst/Reapers themselves and the cinematic closeup on shifty-eyes when you ask the Leviathan about the Crucible is clearly intentional. Boom! Goes Thane's pistol... wait. (Tick!) I remember that.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 24, 2017 3:03:49 GMT
Yes, which is why I believe that the Catalyst not only wanted to end doing things the way they've been done for billions of years, but that it was behind the Crucible in the first place. If the Catalyst is required for it to work it stands to reason it's because the Catalyst created it and then "leaked" information about it to various organics in multiple cycles. Eventually, enough was added to it to make what the Catalyst wanted. Then, combined with the Protheans stopping the Keeper signal and getting a full invasion, the plan is enacted. Sure, this is headcanon, but to me it makes sense. Or it stands to reason that Leviathans tampered with the design and included the Catalyst in it to rewrite it. They're the only ones who know about its existance afterall other than the Catalyst/Reapers themselves and the cinematic closeup on shifty-eyes when you ask the Leviathan about the Crucible is clearly intentional. Interesting. Don't know if I should wait until I get there on my current MET PT (I'm about to hit Virmire, then Ilos) or just open up an old save. That actually makes more sense.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Apr 24, 2017 7:23:21 GMT
Any Witcher game....... ***Falls to floor laughing holding stomach.... The Witcher series Really?...... Continues to laugh till she cry's** You may think it is the second coming, personally I don't. Like yourself I am entitled to my assessment of those games. Same. Never played TW3 but I was not overly impressed with the first two of those games. Judging without knowing ? I wonder how you will feel, if people who never play Andromeda will start to register on BSN and will make comments about it.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 24, 2017 19:39:10 GMT
Same. Never played TW3 but I was not overly impressed with the first two of those games. Judging without knowing ? I wonder how you will feel, if people who never play Andromeda will start to register on BSN and will make comments about it. Shoot that already happens. Judging without merit or experience is like a precursor to joining the BSN.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 19:53:43 GMT
This is pretty much ruled out by the way EMS operates. Without enough military war assets the Crucible becomes damaged. And ironically, damage to the Crucible works against the Reapers; they can't actually blow it up, but they can make synthesis impossible. I'm not talking about the arbitrary EMS thing, I'm talking about a realistic scenario.
The Reaper forces are simply so much stronger than everyone else, that if a force of say 50 Reapers barged in at close range from FTL and went for the crucible, there was very little you could do.
The math is still 4 dreadnoughts = one Reaper when it comes to firepower, of course you only have a few handfuls of dreadnoughts scattered over the galaxy, while the Reapers have thousands of ships to throw at you.
Funny thing about direct confrontation with reapers (capital ships, anyway) is that their destruction represents a failure of the AI's prime directive to preserve life at all costs. All those "preserved" lives, gone. Any organized resistance to the harvest that's powerful enough to destroy any reapers would be an automatic fail of the solution. I've never been entirely sure whether the Catalyst is the AI created by the Leviathan, or something the AI created. If it's the latter, the Catalyst prolly destroyed it's own creator at some point, cuz it's inevitable. Where's my aspirin bottle...
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Post by amleth on Apr 24, 2017 20:14:18 GMT
Yeah, we were talking about that upthread. I suppose the ending really is worse, but since I think the series was always pretty bad this wasn't all that important for me to think about. Just one more thing to put up with. I suppose what I'm really asking is: Why can't Bioware approach world building and storytelling like, say, Obsidian?
They are not utterly incapable. Some of the DA lore is fairly intricate and well-written. But especially with ME, it looks like someone *really* hates consistency and logic.
Because back during the DA:O days, Bioware actually had a competent writing department. With the possible exception of Patrick Weekes, those days are long gone now.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 24, 2017 21:20:31 GMT
Same. Never played TW3 but I was not overly impressed with the first two of those games. Judging without knowing ? I wonder how you will feel, if people who never play Andromeda will start to register on BSN and will make comments about it. I really only judged the ones I did play, so...
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Post by panzerwzh on Apr 25, 2017 13:52:16 GMT
Judging without knowing ? I wonder how you will feel, if people who never play Andromeda will start to register on BSN and will make comments about it. I really only judged the ones I did play, so... So it means nothing for the ones you did not play...
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 25, 2017 15:52:58 GMT
I really only judged the ones I did play, so... So it means nothing for the ones you did not play... My point was, the reason I never played it was because I didn't like the first two. If you played two successive games of a series and found them not to your liking would you buy the third? I made no comment about the quality of TW3, though did remark in the series based on playing 2/3 of it. I think that's reasonable for anyone.
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Post by panzerwzh on Apr 25, 2017 16:13:08 GMT
So it means nothing for the ones you did not play... My point was, the reason I never played it was because I didn't like the first two. If you played two successive games of a series and found them not to your liking would you buy the third? I made no comment about the quality of TW3, though did remark in the series based on playing 2/3 of it. I think that's reasonable for anyone. Personally, I would, if the third product is so well received by so many people.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 25, 2017 16:18:00 GMT
My point was, the reason I never played it was because I didn't like the first two. If you played two successive games of a series and found them not to your liking would you buy the third? I made no comment about the quality of TW3, though did remark in the series based on playing 2/3 of it. I think that's reasonable for anyone. Personally, I would, if the third product is so well received by so many people. Or, I could just assume it's not my cup of tea. For example, I prefer ME over DA because I love scifi. I think fantasy is okay but I don't like it the way I love scifi. But, you do you and play games when you haven't like the entire series beforehand.
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Post by panzerwzh on Apr 25, 2017 19:32:16 GMT
Personally, I would, if the third product is so well received by so many people. Or, I could just assume it's not my cup of tea. For example, I prefer ME over DA because I love scifi. I think fantasy is okay but I don't like it the way I love scifi. But, you do you and play games when you haven't like the entire series beforehand. See, this is your problem mate, you decision is based on unrealistic assumption but not reason/fact. Given TW3's overwhelming success and MEA's utter failure has been proven by time and market already.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 25, 2017 20:02:58 GMT
Or, I could just assume it's not my cup of tea. For example, I prefer ME over DA because I love scifi. I think fantasy is okay but I don't like it the way I love scifi. But, you do you and play games when you haven't like the entire series beforehand. See, this is your problem mate, you decision is based on unrealistic assumption but not reason/fact. Given TW3's overwhelming success and MEA's utter failure has been proven by time and market already. You really think you're a better judge of what games dmc1001 will like than dmc1001 is?
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Post by Kabraxal on Apr 25, 2017 20:20:47 GMT
Or, I could just assume it's not my cup of tea. For example, I prefer ME over DA because I love scifi. I think fantasy is okay but I don't like it the way I love scifi. But, you do you and play games when you haven't like the entire series beforehand. See, this is your problem mate, you decision is based on unrealistic assumption but not reason/fact. Given TW3's overwhelming success and MEA's utter failure has been proven by time and market already. Unrealistic assumption? As someone that felt the same about the woeful quality of the first two, I can say it isn't unrealistic to assume TW3 would be just as bad... because I did give TW3 a chance and suffered for it. The other posters assumption is fine.
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Post by kastrenzo on Apr 25, 2017 20:45:16 GMT
What a stupid fucking article
Comparing Apples to Brussel Sprouts.
Massive difference in development time and budget Scifi vs Fantasy W3 was universally well recieved, while Andromeda was nit picked shot to shit by the meme team before it even got released
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Post by suikoden on Apr 25, 2017 21:10:05 GMT
What a stupid fucking article Comparing Apples to Brussel Sprouts. Massive difference in development time and budget Scifi vs Fantasy W3 was universally well recieved, while Andromeda was nit picked shot to shit by the meme team before it even got released Nah theyre easily comparable - TW3 is the standard for open world games and meaningful quests. They were both referenced by Bioware as inspiration for Andromeda. Similar budgets, and a longer dev cycle for Andromeda. Easily comparable. Like comparing an apple (TW3) to an apple with a hollowed out core that's full of worms (Andromeda).
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Post by malgus on Apr 25, 2017 22:31:07 GMT
Or, I could just assume it's not my cup of tea. For example, I prefer ME over DA because I love scifi. I think fantasy is okay but I don't like it the way I love scifi. But, you do you and play games when you haven't like the entire series beforehand. See, this is your problem mate, you decision is based on unrealistic assumption but not reason/fact. Given TW3's overwhelming success and MEA's utter failure has been proven by time and market already. Sucess does not prove anything for personal enjoyment or opinion on the game, Dying light as of now has nearly 8 out of 10 on metacritic user score, and I had to force myself in finishing it, I thought the game was boring for many reasons. And that is despite the fact that while I did not thought dead island was very good, it had some enjoyable parts and finishing the game was not a chore. It definetely was for dying light despite the fact that the game was mostly well received. The market and reviews score don't mean shit for many people and that is totally fine, the fact that something is well received or torn apart does not mean its good or bad for many person because many people have opinion that differs from the general public and they are neither right or wrong because of that. Jim sterling himself has some reviews that goes very differently than the general opinion, he did think modern warfare 3 was a good game while everybody says it was not, and at the same time he thought mario kart 7 was mediocre while many people thought it was great. Did he had to rework his brain to think like the majority? No he did not. And that is the same for dmc1001, its not because many people says that the game is great that he needs to think like them, nor does he have to try a franchise that he disliked the first two game. I loved the witcher 3, but I would totally understand someone who does not want to try for different reasons.
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Post by panzerwzh on Apr 28, 2017 17:52:21 GMT
Yes!!!!
Lore finally did a rumination for TW3!
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Post by Iakus on Apr 28, 2017 18:50:24 GMT
I don't believe for a moment that he gave up. I think he was just at the end of his rope and couldn't stop Shepard from destroying him so he had no other choice I don't think this part is true.
At no point was starbrat "forced" to do anything. The reapers allowed this to happen. They could have tore the giant microphone to pieces. They could have locked down the entire Relay System and moved the Citadel out of reach.
Shepard didn't even know what to do up there. Starbrat held all the cards and he is the one who told Shepard how to even use the giant microphone. If he didn't say anything, likely Shepard would have failed.
It doesn't make sense.
Personally? ME3 should have ended after the Illusive Man scene, with Vigil or Vendetta taking control over the whole thing, Shepard pushing the "destroy" button, and the dying Anderson telling Shepard "You did good". The whole starbrat thing doesn't make sense from too many angles.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 28, 2017 18:58:17 GMT
I'm not talking about the arbitrary EMS thing, I'm talking about a realistic scenario.
The Reaper forces are simply so much stronger than everyone else, that if a force of say 50 Reapers barged in at close range from FTL and went for the crucible, there was very little you could do.
The math is still 4 dreadnoughts = one Reaper when it comes to firepower, of course you only have a few handfuls of dreadnoughts scattered over the galaxy, while the Reapers have thousands of ships to throw at you. From where I stand there's no other explanation for the events of ME3 unless they held back significantly.
Starbrat could have closed the arms of the Citadel, hell, Harbinger could have went after the crucible even after it connected. None of it makes sense.
And this doesn't account for the fact that without starbrat Shepard wouldn't have known that in order to destroy the reapers he had to shoot a pipe... I mean, who would've thought?...
OK, but when we start talking about realistic scenarios a lot of the trilogy goes away besides the endgame. Note that nothing actually establishes the number of Sovereign-class Reapers. Could be thousands, could be less. And Bio gets to set the number. ME3 pretty much established that any number would be arbitrary. A dozen Sovereign-class Reapers attacked Arcturus station with Second, Third, and Fifth Fleet defending it. The base was destroyed and Hackett had to sacrifice the entire Second Fleet so Third and Fifth could escape. Three full fleets couldn't take a dozen Reapers. That any force could hold out against the Reapers above Earth if they wanted the Crucible destroyed is laughable.
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Post by suikoden on Apr 28, 2017 19:08:17 GMT
"You get a sense of just how dire the situation is for civilians caught up in battle, ravaged by looters and bandits, or left baffled at what to do once The Wild Hunt leaves the village in ruins. When locked into a conversation, facial expressions, the tone of voice, the writing, it all creates a gloomy atmosphere that completes the experience. It feels real. The same can't be said for Andromeda." www.google.com/amp/amp.windowscentral.com/playing-witcher-3-again-makes-me-more-upset-about-mass-effectCurious what people that also dislike Andromeda think could be game changer for the game in a patch - for me, if they somehow took a sledgehammer to the script and gave it more mature writing, I'd revisit the game And look past its other issues. Conversely, if this game had amazing graphics like Dice's games - I'd probably also revisit the game and try to overlook the script just to experience the visuals. - The like/love thread is around here somewhere if you feel triggered to jump into this thread just to bitch and moan.
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