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Post by linksocarina on Apr 30, 2017 0:21:10 GMT
I have no hopes for Cyberpunk. When the first (and only) thing we have seen so far is a police officer point blank shooting what can only be an underwear model with spider scythes coming out of her arms and blood strewn all over her chest...yeah i'm not impressed yet. I don't really want your money, but thank you anyway.
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Post by erikson on Apr 30, 2017 0:24:44 GMT
I have no hopes for Cyberpunk. When the first (and only) thing we have seen so far is a police officer point blank shooting what can only be an underwear model with spider scythes coming out of her arms and blood strewn all over her chest...yeah i'm not impressed yet. We have no idea of the context of the scene or what the hell the game is about at all (it kind looks a little like a Blade Runner rpg game, which is great if that's what we get). It could be pornagraphic crap, but given the studios track record I would doubt it. Sexuality in games is fine, as long as it is handled well.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Apr 30, 2017 0:25:33 GMT
I actually really like Phillipa she is one of my favourite characters. Her sexuality is kinda there just to titillate in the witcher 2 though it's also all a bit rapey. Like she's there doing bdsm shit with her student and then the "lesbomancy" with Saskia. My issue with the deathmold scene is that he is all powerful and cool until that scene, then he is gay suddenly and effeminate, supposedly raping a slave who looks diseased, weak as anything obsessed with his looks despite not being good looking (even tho as a mage he could make himself good looking). He basically some kind of old timey stereotype about creepy pervy old gay men and then he is mutilated. I found him to be sadistic but highly intelligent and charismatic. He actually gives his sexual preference away while Geralt is talking to him much earlier. I really don't think the devs were suiting his eventual punishment to his sexual identity. I agree, but it came off that way to me. I was unaware of him mentioning it earlier to be fair. Still they chose to bring up his sexuality in that moment in that way and they chose to make him suddenly pathetic I think just to make Roche look cool or something? I'm not trying to say the devs hate gay people, I just think the scene is stupid and falls into the trap of old movie homophobic cliches. It could have been like a fight scene instead or something.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 0:27:56 GMT
Dethmold and Phillipa are fantastic characters and I don't understand the backlash against them, solely based on the fact they were subjected to extreme violence. The violence they suffered was a result of their actions, not their sexuality. Surely people don't think LGBT characters should get special treatment in this regard? Agree all the character should get the same treatment, so Henselt should had been castrate too. And Triss should had her eyes removed, she was in a mage hating camp. This is a old argument. I am a lesbian and I was offended, the devs listen to the complains and I am glad. So now TW3 is one of the best game I played in a while. I don't think there should be a quota for stuff like that. With that said, I can see how it would be offensive. Though I don't think it was intentional, it can give the impression of sending a message that gays deserve to die, for lack of a better description. Both those characters had something coming to them, they were vilians, but it just so happens that they're the only gay people in the game too, I think, and that just exacerbates it. I think people sharing their complaints with the devs and that they listened is good, but I'd rather not see them using a score card in the future because of it, if you know what I mean? Just be aware of how something can be interpreted in a bad way, and take that into account. Which I guess that's what they did in TW3, I haven't played it yet.
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Post by Rochrok on Apr 30, 2017 0:30:14 GMT
The amount of oversimplification here is impressive. Is "Alloy" from HZD also a "Fantasy for teenagers", or is it just the game with the male protagonist? I mean, sure, elements of "power fantasy" exist in many games, that's why people like video games, they allow them to do things and play roles they can't in real life. Did you play "Hearts of Stone" or "Blood and Wine"? Dismissing these rather amazing adventures as "fantasy for teenagers" is rather retarded. (especially considering how many non-teenagers played and enjoyed them) Geralt himself is just the tool you experience the story with, he may not win great prizes on his own (even if he has more depth than some give him credit for), but that's largely irrelevant. I've not played HZD so I can't say. I've not played the DLC - why would I buy DLC for a game I was terribly bored playing to the point I stopped? My point is about Geralt as a character- he is supposed to be an outcast and despised by all, but wait! He's a complete fighting badass who coincidentally all the women want (as he can't get the pregnant or get them a disease, fancy that!). If I was a teenage boy playing the game and wondering why Jim picks on me and why Sarah doesn't notice me, I'd be well into Geralt. He's the escapist hero for you.Just to add, I played all of 1, half of 2 and about 3 or 4 hours of 3. And you don't think the same applies to any BW protagonist if broken down to the most simplest traits? Let's see, a nobody who accomplishes jack squat in life is promoted instantly to one of the most powerful positions in the world, is fawned over constantly, loved by everyone, people listen to them (even people who are more experienced), becomes the instant fascination of everyone they meet, and complete strangers fall in love with them and either wanna give them one night stands or fall head over heels in committed love simply because they were flirted with once or twice. So if Geralt appeals to teenage boys then who does Shepard, Ryder, Warden, and the Inquisitor appeal to? Lazy, good for nothing, insecure, and lonely teens? ***Shepard's the only BW protag out of the bunch that actually accomplished something in his/her life. But he can be played as a manwhore. Female Shepard can get cheated on. So they are mostly the exception. But they are a space Jebus power fantasy if there ever was one. Blast Processor' Blast Processor, Savringe ftw! I always have him in my playthrough and I love the fact that you get him by staying out of Skellige's politics.
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Post by kino on Apr 30, 2017 0:35:55 GMT
Dorian is a gay man that sees nothing wrong with slavery and defends it. Sera is a lesbian with internal racism problems, with a little of transphobia on the side. How is that politic correct? I think bioware wants to appeals to the anti-sjw and sjw but instead or doing a good mainstory they focus on animating Cora sex scene and forgot about gay companions. So now they get backslash from every front, you cannot win battles like that. That is why CDPR Cyberpunk, if they play their cards right, could be the perfect game. Diverse cast with a deep and compelling story. They easily can take bioware fanbase if they want, with that game alone. I have no hopes for Cyberpunk. When the first (and only) thing we have seen so far is a police officer point blank shooting what can only be an underwear model with spider scythes coming out of her arms and blood strewn all over her chest...yeah i'm not impressed yet. It's not that I haven't any hope for Cyberpunk 2077, it's that there's no anticipation for it. I know CDPR will do the game well, they're a great developer, but without nothing but a two year old teaser out there I'm not feeling anything for it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 0:36:01 GMT
Dorian is a gay man that sees nothing wrong with slavery and defends it. Sera is a lesbian with internal racism problems, with a little of transphobia on the side. How is that politic correct? I think bioware wants to appeal to the anti-sjw and sjw but instead or doing a good mainstory they focus on animating Cora sex scene and forgot about gay companions. So now they get backslash from every front, you cannot win battles like that. That is why CDPR Cyberpunk, if they play their cards right, could be the perfect game. Diverse cast with a deep and compelling story. They easily can take bioware fanbase if they want, with that game alone. I'm looking forward to Cyberpunk. They haven't released a lot of info about it, but I'm gonna assume that the player will be able to pick either gender as the protagonist, unlike TW that was based on a specific character from the novels. If so, that'll be a big draw for new fans too.
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 30, 2017 0:36:06 GMT
We have no idea of the context of the scene or what the hell the game is about at all (it kind looks a little like a Blade Runner rpg game, which is great if that's what we get). It could be pornagraphic crap, but given the studios track record I would doubt it. Sexuality in games is fine, as long as it is handled well. But that trailer has style. My kind of style.
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Post by erikson on Apr 30, 2017 0:38:15 GMT
I've not played HZD so I can't say. I've not played the DLC - why would I buy DLC for a game I was terribly bored playing to the point I stopped? My point is about Geralt as a character- he is supposed to be an outcast and despised by all, but wait! He's a complete fighting badass who coincidentally all the women want (as he can't get the pregnant or get them a disease, fancy that!). If I was a teenage boy playing the game and wondering why Jim picks on me and why Sarah doesn't notice me, I'd be well into Geralt. He's the escapist hero for you.Just to add, I played all of 1, half of 2 and about 3 or 4 hours of 3. And you don't think the same applies to any BW protagonist if broken down to the most simplest traits? Let's see, a nobody who accomplishes jack squat in life is promoted instantly to one of the most powerful positions in the world, is fawned over constantly, loved by everyone, people listen to them (even people who are more experienced), becomes the instant fascination of everyone they meet, and complete strangers fall in love with them and either wanna give them one night stands or fall head over heels in committed love simply because they were flirted with once or twice. So if Geralt appeals to teenage boys then who does Shepard, Ryder, Warden, and the Inquisitor appeal to? Lazy, good for nothing, insecure, and lonely teens? ***Shepard's the only BW protag out of the bunch that actually accomplished something in his/her life. But he can be played as a manwhore. Female Shepard can get cheated on. So they are mostly the exception. But they are a space Jebus power fantasy if there ever was one. Blast Processor ' Blast Processor, Savringe ftw! I always have him in my playthrough and I love the fact that you get him by staying out of Skellige's politics. Nah, I think with Geralt the problem might be that if you strip his relationship with Ciri away he has zero humanzining qualities. He is just a sex and murder machine. It's like an 80's action hero or a sphagetti western character. He is chemically dsitilled masculinity in hairy, scowly bottle. There is nothing wrong with it if that is what you want, but every Bioware protaganist has more going for them, or at least the potential of more, than that.
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 30, 2017 0:39:20 GMT
We have no idea of the context of the scene or what the hell the game is about at all (it kind looks a little like a Blade Runner rpg game, which is great if that's what we get). It could be pornagraphic crap, but given the studios track record I would doubt it. Sexuality in games is fine, as long as it is handled well. But that trailer has style. My kind of style. I guess this is where I should say such an opinion voids everything you say now, because of how foolish you are for liking something like that .
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Post by Mihura on Apr 30, 2017 0:39:21 GMT
Agree all the character should get the same treatment, so Henselt should had been castrate too. And Triss should had her eyes removed, she was in a mage hating camp. This is a old argument. I am a lesbian and I was offended, the devs listen to the complains and I am glad. So now TW3 is one of the best game I played in a while. I don't think there should be a quota for stuff like that. With that said, I can see how it would be offensive. Though I don't think it was intentional, it can give the impression of sending a message that gays deserve to die, for lack of a better description. Both those characters had something coming to them, they were vilians, but it just happens that they're the only gay people in the game too, I think, and that just exacerbates it. I think people sharing their complaints with the devs and that they listened is good, but I'd rather not see them using a score card in the future because of it, if you know what I mean? Just be aware of how something can be interpreted in a bad way, and take that into account. Which I guess that's what they did in TW3, I haven't played it yet. So was Henselt, both Geralt and Roche had the opportunity to cut his ball for raping Ves but somehow they are going to cut a gay man balls on Henselt orders? really? I do not think so. In art everything has a meaning, especially in video games since it is heavy on visuals. They wanted to pass the ideia or concept, that that character was disgusting. If people want to ignore that sure but it does not it make any less wrong.
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Post by erikson on Apr 30, 2017 0:39:23 GMT
We have no idea of the context of the scene or what the hell the game is about at all (it kind looks a little like a Blade Runner rpg game, which is great if that's what we get). It could be pornagraphic crap, but given the studios track record I would doubt it. Sexuality in games is fine, as long as it is handled well. But that trailer has style. My kind of style. Sorry I was meaning to reply to the same guy as you. It does look nice.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Apr 30, 2017 0:40:16 GMT
Dorian is a gay man that sees nothing wrong with slavery and defends it. Sera is a lesbian with internal racism problems, with a little of transphobia on the side. How is that politic correct? I think bioware wants to appeal to the anti-sjw and sjw but instead or doing a good mainstory they focus on animating Cora sex scene and forgot about gay companions. So now they get backslash from every front, you cannot win battles like that. That is why CDPR Cyberpunk, if they play their cards right, could be the perfect game. Diverse cast with a deep and compelling story. They easily can take bioware fanbase if they want, with that game alone. I'm looking forward to Cyberpunk. They haven't released a lot of info about it, but I'm gonna assume that the player will be able to pick either gender as the protagonist, unlike TW that was based on a specific character from the novels. If so, that'll be a big draw for new fans too. Customisation is the one thing missing from the witcher for me. Like even if it's just minimal, like just gender and looks maybe it would be great. I am fine with the limitations if it means good storytelling. Trying not to get excited for a game that "could potentially" release in 2019 tho.
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Post by Mihura on Apr 30, 2017 0:43:12 GMT
I'm looking forward to Cyberpunk. They haven't released a lot of info about it, but I'm gonna assume that the player will be able to pick either gender as the protagonist, unlike TW that was based on a specific character from the novels. If so, that'll be a big draw for new fans too. If they stick close to the PnP lore, it is going to surpass any RPG out there. Also cannot wait for the more rabid fandom to come out an acusse them of being sjws or the new bioware.
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Post by slimgrin on Apr 30, 2017 0:44:28 GMT
I'm looking forward to Cyberpunk. They haven't released a lot of info about it, but I'm gonna assume that the player will be able to pick either gender as the protagonist, unlike TW that was based on a specific character from the novels. If so, that'll be a big draw for new fans too. They've said multiple times you'll get to choose gender. It's based on a PnP game, so character creation is a given. It also has life paths, which is a more in depth version of what we get in Mass Effect.
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Post by Rochrok on Apr 30, 2017 0:47:22 GMT
It's the same thing that plagued Star Wars: The Force Awakens; the tone was brighter, the story played it safe, some of the dialogue was a bit silly...but when put on the whole it's still solid. We got a similar issue here essentially. Compounded by technical issues. The Force Awakens is the most poorly written junk I have ever rear. Your post & credibility to me is now void. Sadly, I agree. I liked Kylo Ren but that's all and even now I'm afraid that his character will only exist to be the main character's punching bag before she slaps a big fat S on her chest and fly away. You couldn't be more wrong. Geralt would usually do whatever it takes to lift a curse from someone who is afflicted rather than kill them, unlike Lambert who just kills. Geralt can also have a great relationship with trolls and other monsters. You can choose to let some monsters live, to the point where there is a rather poignant conversation about this in Blood and Wine. Geralt also has many friends whom he has saved and fought besides throughout the years. Geralt was even killed in the novels by a guy with a pitchfork because he was trying to stop a mob of humans and non humans from killing each other. He took care of Triss when she was sick and cleaned her up when she shat herself, saw Yennefer was an imperfect hunchback and still loved her. At least the main women in Geralt's life had a past and therefore the strong connection makes sense rather than punch the heart icon for "good banging". And Shepard is the only BW protaganist to show any potential. The Warden is tossed in the trash, along with Hawke, and soon the Inquisitor and we'll be playing as new generic Thedas Hero #4. There is no room to build the type of love and friendships in Dragon Age that you see with Geralt and his friends and loved ones. And they tried way too hard for Ryder and pals. The characters barely know one another yet they're calling each other family.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 0:48:20 GMT
I don't think there should be a quota for stuff like that. With that said, I can see how it would be offensive. Though I don't think it was intentional, it can give the impression of sending a message that gays deserve to die, for lack of a better description. Both those characters had something coming to them, they were vilians, but it just happens that they're the only gay people in the game too, I think, and that just exacerbates it. I think people sharing their complaints with the devs and that they listened is good, but I'd rather not see them using a score card in the future because of it, if you know what I mean? Just be aware of how something can be interpreted in a bad way, and take that into account. Which I guess that's what they did in TW3, I haven't played it yet. So was Henselt, both Geralt and Roche had the opportunity to cut his ball for raping Ves but somehow they are going to cut a gay man balls on Henselt orders? really? I do not think so. In art everything has a meaning, especially in video games since it is heavy on visuals. They wanted to pass the ideia or concept, that that character was disgusting. If people want to ignore that sure but it does not it make any less wrong. Well, like I said, they're gay. If they weren't gay, we wouldn't be talking about it in this way. If they weren't gay then they would just be villains that got the worst of it. That castration wasn't Henselt's orders though, was it? I thought that was all Roche.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 0:50:45 GMT
I'm looking forward to Cyberpunk. They haven't released a lot of info about it, but I'm gonna assume that the player will be able to pick either gender as the protagonist, unlike TW that was based on a specific character from the novels. If so, that'll be a big draw for new fans too. They've said multiple times you'll get to choose gender. It's based on a PnP game, so character creation is a given. It also has life paths, which is a more in depth version of what we get in Mass Effect. Ah, ok. I haven't kept up with it. About all I know of the game is what I read from Wikipedia a while back.
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Post by erikson on Apr 30, 2017 0:51:49 GMT
The Force Awakens is the most poorly written junk I have ever rear. Your post & credibility to me is now void. Sadly, I agree. I liked Kylo Ren but that's all and even now I'm afraid that his character will only exist to be the main character's punching bag before she slaps a big fat S on her chest and fly away. As a Supergirl fan that might be the only thing that could possibly get me to watch it.
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I'm looking forward to Cyberpunk. They haven't released a lot of info about it, but I'm gonna assume that the player will be able to pick either gender as the protagonist, unlike TW that was based on a specific character from the novels. If so, that'll be a big draw for new fans too. Customisation is the one thing missing from the witcher for me. Like even if it's just minimal, like just gender and looks maybe it would be great. I am fine with the limitations if it means good storytelling. Trying not to get excited for a game that "could potentially" release in 2019 tho. If it has the quality and attention to detail as their previous two games, it'll be a good one. Yeah, it'll probably be another year before they start advertising it.
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Post by panzerwzh on Apr 30, 2017 1:02:15 GMT
Cyberpunk 2077 gives me the feeling like blade runner + vampire masquerade bloodlines + TW3. Given CDPR's credibility, all I could say is Shut up and take my money!
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Post by Mihura on Apr 30, 2017 1:05:26 GMT
So was Henselt, both Geralt and Roche had the opportunity to cut his ball for raping Ves but somehow they are going to cut a gay man balls on Henselt orders? really? I do not think so. In art everything has a meaning, especially in video games since it is heavy on visuals. They wanted to pass the ideia or concept, that that character was disgusting. If people want to ignore that sure but it does not it make any less wrong. Well, like I said, they're gay. If they weren't gay, we wouldn't be talking about it in this way. If they weren't gay then they would just be villains that got the worst of it. That castration wasn't Henselt's orders though, was it? I thought that was all Roche. No what I meant is that he was Henselt mage, so he followed his orders. And yes if they werent gay I would not care, that is the whole point with representation like you said above. There isnt only one straight character in that game. so anything that character does is not a representation of a group. The problem with having tokens is exactly that, it is dangerous to pass certain ideas about a group, especially with that level of violence. Personally I find it extremely offensive.
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Post by erikson on Apr 30, 2017 1:09:16 GMT
So was Henselt, both Geralt and Roche had the opportunity to cut his ball for raping Ves but somehow they are going to cut a gay man balls on Henselt orders? really? I do not think so. In art everything has a meaning, especially in video games since it is heavy on visuals. They wanted to pass the ideia or concept, that that character was disgusting. If people want to ignore that sure but it does not it make any less wrong. Well, like I said, they're gay. If they weren't gay, we wouldn't be talking about it in this way. If they weren't gay then they would just be villains that got the worst of it. That castration wasn't Henselt's orders though, was it? I thought that was all Roche. True, but there are so few gay characters in games that I assume you wouldn't have to be gay yourself understand how stumbling across one of the few only to find out he is a sadistic psycho who dies horribly would be a tad dismaying. Doesn't make the game homophobic, but the subjective reaction is understandable.
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Post by slimgrin on Apr 30, 2017 1:10:43 GMT
Well, like I said, they're gay. If they weren't gay, we wouldn't be talking about it in this way. If they weren't gay then they would just be villains that got the worst of it. That castration wasn't Henselt's orders though, was it? I thought that was all Roche. No what I meant is that he was Henselt mage, so he followed his orders. And yes if they werent gay I would not care, that is the whole point with representation like you said above. There isnt only one straight character in that game. so anything that character does is not a representation of a group. The problem with having tokens is exactly that, it is dangerous to pass certain ideas about a group, especially with that level of violence. Personally I find it extremely offensive. See, you are asking for special treatment for LGBT characters. You're ranking representation above characterization.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 30, 2017 1:14:59 GMT
I think he's asking for special treatment for all minority characters. LGBT is just the particular case of the general rule.
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