The Witcher 3 and Mass Effect Andromeda thread

Nop, I want the same content as everyone else and dept. One token straight character is as stupid as one token gay character.

He is the only gay guy, I think that is the issue. It's like a game where the only woman is a gold digging prostitute, or if you want to spin it around, a game with an all black cast, but the one white guy is an evil sadist.

Except prostitutes get burned alive, straight people get raped, elves get hung for minor offenses, kings get assassinated. One sorry woman gets kidnapped and raped for a year.  No one group is spared from retribution. 

Yep, but elves don't exist, and none of those other groups are a minority. Like I said the issue is that he is the ONLY gay guy. I don't think the rage should be blown that far out of proportion, but one should be able to sympathize with the subjective disappointment.

So the proposed rule is to have more than one of something before going negative with it?

Does getting impaled from your a** to your mouth count? I'm sure the balls get ripped off somewhere along the way. 

Also, a token character is a shallow character of no substance that is only written in to appear diverse in hopes of appeasing  people based on race, sexuality, and gender.  So yeah, if a company is writing a token character, I can see how they would want to avoid using them for heavy themes. They are shallow for show characters that mean nothing, not even to the groups they are written to placate.  However, characters with meaning and depth to the story, regardless of their race, gender, or sexuality should be written true to who the character is within the story. 

Do gay people need a deep reason to be gay or are they just born gay?

You mean the heterosexual King who rapes women?  Yes, he's in the story too. 

Unless all the straight people were impaled, it does not count. It is all or nothing.

And I agree, characters should move the story in a compelling way and be relevant. So what was the point of showing a gay man with a slave before he dies? how is that relevant to the story of vengeance, that was being told? Does his sexuality has anything to do with the situation at all? People can ignore the implications that is fine but they are still tokens and TW3 did a better job on that level.

Also I am going on circles with this argument. Some gamers can accept those implications or deny it, still shitty in the end of the day.


There is more than one gay man in there. Also everyone dies in that book even the main stereotypical good guy, that is a really nice thing. Everyone is equal in death.

Except he isn't the only gay guy. You forgot his lover who ran out the door. Stop being such a whiner. Personally that scene was well deserved and he deserved everything he got from based Roche.

I dunno, something I am interested in finding out as well.  Given the setting I expect it to be very different from their approach to Witcher but I guess we will see.

That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. So I guess if I write a villain who just so happens to be gay in a story, I better make sure that if he gets killed by the protagonist, all the straight characters must also die too, for fairness sake. lol!!  Okay. 

What is the point of showing any character with a slave before they die in some gruesome way? If anything it means he's so freaking powerful he can be openly gay without being challenged by anyone, which in the Witcher world, is a great feat. You do realize that Dethmold is just one of the many sleeze bags working within the King's court.  This same King who rapes women, murders innocents, and burns sorceresses alive.  Explain why he should be the one good and sensible man among the lot of slime balls? And do you think he would have risen to his high position without doing horrible things to many people? If anything, he would have gotten himself killed ages ago.  You probably won't reply since you're done. But I find it hilarious how you expect a gay character to be some sort of untouched flower in the muck for no other reason than his sexuality.  Dethmold was a horrible man, but he was no more horrible than the group he was a part of. 
I hope they do add LGBT relationships in Cyberpunk but I also hope they allow the romances to be romanced by any gender. I think where things went awry for Bioware is trying to stick to set sexualities.  Resources get spread so thin because the fanbase expects BW to represent every single sexuality that exists. Resources get stretched thin and content gets shipped out unfinished because of it. I just hope CDPR sees what is happening to BW and choose not to die on that hill with them. 



I am all for listening and I have a lot of empathy.  I know what it's like to see a movie with one POC and see them portrayed in a crappy way.  However, I would never demand a writer give special treatment to a character because of their skin color.  That is a slippery slope I would rather not go down. All it does is make writers apprehensive about even writing such characters out of fear they are going to be accused of racism or sexism as a result. And I don't blame them.  I'd rather not be bothered, too. Especially if I'm writing a band of scummy characters but expected to write one as Mary Poppins for daring to make them anything other than a straight white male. 

And I don't consider "Kill all straight/white/wo(men) for every POC/LGBT/woman death" to be a sound argument. 

I haven't met the Kekistani mage yet so...CD Projekt has room to grow.