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Post by dutchsghost7 on Apr 30, 2017 3:52:55 GMT
I just recently got back to my unfinished third replay of tw3 and the tower of mice side quest alones BLOWS THE FUCK OUT any quest MEA offers.
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 30, 2017 4:16:40 GMT
I got no impact from companion/story interaction in ME:A or TW3. But I only played ME:A so far.
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Post by erikson on Apr 30, 2017 4:20:30 GMT
These games are torn apart by the simple rhetoric of- ME:A needed to be original from its MET series; and TW3 series clearly drew/entrenched in its already established lore from previous releases; much like MET compounded its story in the same fashion. However; this article made me think - ME:A was fun but it missed its moments such as www.pcgamer.com/the-best-witcher-3-characters/I cannot compare those interactions to what I experienced in ME:A - ever. Please, if you played both - give some feedback. What do you think? Did you ever get the same impact from companion/story interactions from ME:A and TW3? Wicther 3 is a better game, it is also better than any of Bioware's prvious outings, as well as new games like Horizon Zero Dawn. That doesn't make Andromeda bad anymore than having the next action adventure shooter you play not being Uncharted 4 makes that bad. The stuff in the article tied to previous games (like Yenn and Triss) are not even fare to compare to Andromeda because they build on a multi game story, as well as a book canon that only few of the player's will even be familiar with. The Gaunter O'Dimm section is right on, since the Heart of Stone is the best DLC I have ever played, even better than the larger Blood and Wine DLC (but I am a Doctor Faust enthusiast so what do I know). The one thing I disagree with is the part on Geralt. Most of the character conflicts the writer tries to wring out come from the player and not the character. He has a blase kind of way of moving through the world as if he doesn't care about anything. The degree with which one enjoys playing as Geralt is made up entirely by how much you either like that, or prefer a stoic brick wall kind of character who doesn't emote too much. I prefer passionate characters (like Ciri) myself, and would prefer to play as her than Geralt. On one last note, the ME trilogy has never been as unblinkingly bleak of a horror show as the Wicther is. Even the trilogy is a box of sunshine compared to it. You could never get the depths of anguish you can in Witcher from the Bloody Baron story from a Bioware game without fundamentally warping what they are. Bioware gets it's feelings from the comradery and relationships you forge in your party and with LI ( for example I don't give a shit about any of Geralt's friends in this world, like Dandelion or Zoltan, outside of how well they are used in the game) and the grand adventure of it all. Witcher's feels come from successive gut punches in the stomach and the nightmarescape of it's world. It has a great story, but the actual dialogue writing is kind of bland and serviceable ( I say this as someone who just stopped playing it). It's good, but not a highlight.
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 30, 2017 4:26:25 GMT
These games are torn apart by the simple rhetoric of- ME:A needed to be original from its MET series; and TW3 series clearly drew/entrenched in its already established lore from previous releases; much like MET compounded its story in the same fashion. However; this article made me think - ME:A was fun but it missed its moments such as www.pcgamer.com/the-best-witcher-3-characters/I cannot compare those interactions to what I experienced in ME:A - ever. Please, if you played both - give some feedback. What do you think? Did you ever get the same impact from companion/story interactions from ME:A and TW3? Wicther 3 is a better game, it is also better than any of Bioware's prvious outings, as well as new games like Horizon Zero Dawn. That doesn't make Andromeda bad anymore than having the next action adventure shooter you play not being Uncharted 4 makes that bad. The stuff in the article tied to previous games (like Yenn and Triss) are not even fare to compare to Andromeda because they build on a multi game story, as well as a book canon that only few of the player's will even be familiar with. The Gaunter O'Dimm section is right on, since the Heart of Stone is the best DLC I have ever played, even better than the larger Blood and Wine DLC (but I am a Doctor Faust enthusiast so what do I know). The one thing I disagree with is the part on Geralt. Most of the character conflicts the writer tries to wring out come from the player and not the character. He has a blase kind of way of moving through the world as if he doesn't care about anything. The degree with which one enjoys playing as Geralt is made up entirely by how much you either like that, or prefer a stoic brick wall kind of character who doesn't emote too much. I prefer passionate characters (like Ciri) myself, and would prefer to play as her than Geralt. On one last note, the ME trilogy has never been as unblinkingly bleak of a horror show as the Wicther is. Even the trilogy is a box of sunshine compared to it. You could never get the depths of anguish you can in Witcher from the Bloody Baron story from a Bioware game without fundamentally warping what they are. Bioware gets it's feelings from the comradery and relationships you forge in your party and with LI ( for example I don't give a shit about any of Geralt's friends in this world, like Dandelion or Zoltan, outside of how well they are used in the game) and the grand adventure of it all. Witcher's feels come from successive gut punches in the stomach and the nightmarescape of it's world. It has a great story, but the actual dialogue writing is kind of bland and serviceable ( I say this as someone who just stopped playing it). It's good, but not a highlight. You should space these posts into more then one paragraph so my cybernetic eyes can have an easier time tracking Kyle Reese and Sarah Conner.
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Post by derrame on Apr 30, 2017 4:33:50 GMT
tw3 is superior in every way, is a real adult, mature, non linear story great written characters and story, plot, MEA is a gay, feminazi, dumbed down version of some simple elements of the trilogy, sad but true
the open world in tw3 is full of life, is a living breathing world, anywhere you go, people, elves, dwarves, monsters live and do their things everyday, they react when you pass by, in MEA, the npc's are statues they stay forever in the same place just waiting for you to go to talk to them
main characters, secondary characters and some questgivers or sidequests givers in tw3 are interesting, different among each other, they have a life, a story, the sidequests are all different, even those simple quests that "go talk to Rorik for the monster contract, then kill the monster, then get reward" something so simple is always different, there are always different characters, and not always the problem is the monster and it's dificult to recognize the real monsters sometimes, even those simple quests are complex, you can always investigate more and find totally different outcomes, or even find the truth
in MEA all sidequests are boring fetch quests, just filler repetitive content to keep players occupied instead of entertained, just fetch quests or boring exploration in lifelss planets and maps to waste time you can complete the main story in 10-15 hours, for the side content you need at least 130-160 hours in MEA all side quests are forgettable, tedious, in tw3 every single side quest or witcher contract is handcrafted, is a little piece of art, every ingle one has its own magic and you will remember them and the characters, i completed tw3 4 times and i want to complete it again, with both expansions
i completed MEA once and i'm done, it's enough, i've seen everything, it's tedious
in tw3 characters have their own story, they live their lives, they do what they do wether you like it or not, you find yourself in the most strange or fun or involving situations, the player discovers complex adventures, in MEA everything is served, everyone is happy yo see you, admiring you, smiling even when ships with thousands of space persons are lost and maybe destroyed, even when they lost a quarter of their population, etc
when you interact with characters in tw3 you can find anything , they treat you nice, or they despise you, they love you they fear you, is a very complex and mature interaction, sometimes very funny and that is even when geralt is neutral and has no emotions it's soo much more interesting than the ryders, in MEA 99% of the characters are dull, tedious to talk to,
i love ME but andromeda was very disappointing in many ways, it's sad tw3 is a masterpiece with some flaws
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Post by erikson on Apr 30, 2017 4:39:50 GMT
Wicther 3 is a better game, it is also better than any of Bioware's prvious outings, as well as new games like Horizon Zero Dawn. That doesn't make Andromeda bad anymore than having the next action adventure shooter you play not being Uncharted 4 makes that bad. The stuff in the article tied to previous games (like Yenn and Triss) are not even fare to compare to Andromeda because they build on a multi game story, as well as a book canon that only few of the player's will even be familiar with. The Gaunter O'Dimm section is right on, since the Heart of Stone is the best DLC I have ever played, even better than the larger Blood and Wine DLC (but I am a Doctor Faust enthusiast so what do I know). The one thing I disagree with is the part on Geralt. Most of the character conflicts the writer tries to wring out come from the player and not the character. He has a blase kind of way of moving through the world as if he doesn't care about anything. The degree with which one enjoys playing as Geralt is made up entirely by how much you either like that, or prefer a stoic brick wall kind of character who doesn't emote too much. I prefer passionate characters (like Ciri) myself, and would prefer to play as her than Geralt. On one last note, the ME trilogy has never been as unblinkingly bleak of a horror show as the Wicther is. Even the trilogy is a box of sunshine compared to it. You could never get the depths of anguish you can in Witcher from the Bloody Baron story from a Bioware game without fundamentally warping what they are. Bioware gets it's feelings from the comradery and relationships you forge in your party and with LI ( for example I don't give a shit about any of Geralt's friends in this world, like Dandelion or Zoltan, outside of how well they are used in the game) and the grand adventure of it all. Witcher's feels come from successive gut punches in the stomach and the nightmarescape of it's world. It has a great story, but the actual dialogue writing is kind of bland and serviceable ( I say this as someone who just stopped playing it). It's good, but not a highlight. You should space these posts into more then one paragraph so my cybernetic eyes can have an easier time tracking Kyle Reese and Sarah Conner. Apologies...I'm sure this can be tough on you
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Post by erikson on Apr 30, 2017 4:43:30 GMT
tw3 is superior in every way, is a real adult, mature, non linear story great written characters and story, plot, MEA is a gay, feminazi, dumbed down version of some simple elements of the trilogy, sad but true the open world in tw3 is full of life, is a living breathing world, anywhere you go, people, elves, dwarves, monsters live and do their things everyday, they react when you pass by, in MEA, the npc's are statues they stay forever in the same place just waiting for you to go to talk to them main characters, secondary characters and some questgivers or sidequests givers in tw3 are interesting, different among each other, they have a life, a story, the sidequests are all different, even those simple quests that "go talk to Rorik for the monster contract, then kill the monster, then get reward" something so simple is always different, there are always different characters, and not always the problem is the monster and it's dificult to recognize the real monsters sometimes, even those simple quests are complex, you can always investigate more and find totally different outcomes, or even find the truth in MEA all sidequests are boring fetch quests, just filler repetitive content to keep players occupied instead of entertained, just fetch quests or boring exploration in lifelss planets and maps to waste time you can complete the main story in 10-15 hours, for the side content you need at least 130-160 hours in MEA all side quests are forgettable, tedious, in tw3 every single side quest or witcher contract is handcrafted, is a little piece of art, every ingle one has its own magic and you will remember them and the characters, i completed tw3 4 times and i want to complete it again, with both expansions i completed MEA once and i'm done, it's enough, i've seen everything, it's tedious in tw3 characters have their own story, they live their lives, they do what they do wether you like it or not, you find yourself in the most strange or fun or involving situations, the player discovers complex adventures, in MEA everything is served, everyone is happy yo see you, admiring you, smiling even when ships with thousands of space persons are lost and maybe destroyed, even when they lost a quarter of their population, etc when you interact with characters in tw3 you can find anything , they treat you nice, or they despise you, they love you they fear you, is a very complex and mature interaction, sometimes very funny and that is even when geralt is neutral and has no emotions it's soo much more interesting than the ryders, in MEA 99% of the characters are dull, tedious to talk to, i love ME but andromeda was very disappointing in many ways, it's sad tw3 is a masterpiece with some flaws wow...I know gays and feminazis are hiding under your bed and are like, super scaryand all, but if you just turn the lights on and open the closet doors at night they will all go away.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 30, 2017 4:48:27 GMT
I need to get with the times. I didn't know there was a 5th Witcher Game to compare MEA to.
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 30, 2017 5:05:36 GMT
I need to get with the times. I didn't know there was a 5th Witcher Game to compare MEA to. I was thinking of starting one tomorrow. Even though I've never played a Witcher game. I just can't get enough of these threads. The Witcher hype is real. Especially after that last excellent post by derrame. Tomorrow I'm buying TW3. Was going to start with the first but the hype for 3 is too real. Almost bought it today even, but decided to give Andromeda another chance. Didn't go so well. Basically gave up on gaming all day, and everything else, and was in a sad bad posture slump on the couch all day. I need to get out of this abusive Andromeda relationship.
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Post by bryanky5 on Apr 30, 2017 5:08:59 GMT
The Witcher series, especially Witcher 3 and their respective novels are fantastic.
But we already have 5million threads comparing the two games.
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Post by KingDarious BBB on Apr 30, 2017 5:10:59 GMT
The Witcher 3 is God's gift to gaming.
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 30, 2017 5:18:21 GMT
The Witcher series, especially Witcher 3 and their respective novels are fantastic. But we already have 5million threads comparing the two games. Well then BioWare should have never said they were looking up to TW3 to make Mass Effect great.
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Post by bryanky5 on Apr 30, 2017 5:19:48 GMT
The Witcher series, especially Witcher 3 and their respective novels are fantastic. But we already have 5million threads comparing the two games. Well then BioWare should have never said they were looking up to TW3 to make Mass Effect great. Never said they shouldn't be compared, just all of the comparisons should be combined into a single thread.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 30, 2017 5:21:42 GMT
The Witcher series, especially Witcher 3 and their respective novels are fantastic. But we already have 5million threads comparing the two games. Well then BioWare should have never said they were looking up to TW3 to make Mass Effect great. That doesn't really matter. Like, there's nothing here that couldn't be posted on the much longer consolidated thread just a few posts below this one. Frankly, indiscriminate closures/deletions of subsequent threads with the same exact subject on the matter would actually be justified (guess it's a good thing I don't have mod powers because I would have done it already lol).
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 30, 2017 5:25:35 GMT
Alright, you guys can await the next merger then. I'm outta here for the night. Hasta la bye, bye.
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Post by erikson on Apr 30, 2017 5:32:15 GMT
The Witcher series, especially Witcher 3 and their respective novels are fantastic. But we already have 5million threads comparing the two games. Well then BioWare should have never said they were looking up to TW3 to make Mass Effect great. As I said in my last post here, Bioware can take certain mechanical aspects of the game and use them, but not it's story and characters, and it shouldn't. If they did it would not be a Mass Effect game. I assume you liked the trilogy more or less, well it would be like doing a sequel to the trilogy as a nihilistic horror story. It'd be like a Star Trek film done in the style of Se7en. oh...and btw nseavoice.com/games/the-witcher-4-inspired-by-mass-effect-andromeda-920023439.html
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Post by bryanky5 on Apr 30, 2017 5:34:00 GMT
Well then BioWare should have never said they were looking up to TW3 to make Mass Effect great. As I said in my last post here, Bioware can take certain mechanical aspects of the game and use them, but not it's story and characters, and it shouldn't. If they did it would not be a Mass Effect game. I assume you liked the trilogy more or less, well it would be like doing a sequel to the trilogy as a nihilistic horror story. It'd be like a Star Trek film done in the style of Se7en. oh...and btw nseavoice.com/games/the-witcher-4-inspired-by-mass-effect-andromeda-920023439.htmlI really hope the next game, if there will be one, will revolve around Ciri.
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Post by erikson on Apr 30, 2017 5:36:16 GMT
As I said in my last post here, Bioware can take certain mechanical aspects of the game and use them, but not it's story and characters, and it shouldn't. If they did it would not be a Mass Effect game. I assume you liked the trilogy more or less, well it would be like doing a sequel to the trilogy as a nihilistic horror story. It'd be like a Star Trek film done in the style of Se7en. oh...and btw nseavoice.com/games/the-witcher-4-inspired-by-mass-effect-andromeda-920023439.htmlI really hope the next game, if there will be one, will revolve around Ciri. You and me both...I'd have a child just so I could sell it to get that game.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 30, 2017 5:37:13 GMT
Oh look, another TW3 thread to merge with the one on the front page already.
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Post by bryanky5 on Apr 30, 2017 5:41:37 GMT
I really hope the next game, if there will be one, will revolve around Ciri. You and me both...I'd have a child just so I could sell it to get that game. If I was a millionaire I would offer to personally invest funds for the game!
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Oh look, another TW3 thread to merge with the one on the front page already.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Apr 30, 2017 9:28:50 GMT
As a query then, it seems to me that most of the gripe here is with Bioware as a company rather than their product (however you might choose to judge that). I just find it annoying that it has to be dragged into these discussions. I like Andromeda (as I said in a previous post) more than W3 soley on the fact that I hate roleplaying as Geralt even though it is by most measures a vastly superior game (as it is to Horizon Zero Dawn, but is anybody racking that over the coles for it's inferiority). Bioware consistently gives me the gaming experience that I started playing games to get in the first place, more so than any other company. Unless Cd Projekt starts pumpiong out game of Witcher like quality but with better or cutomizable protaganists (I am very hopeful for Cyberpunk 2077) Bioware ins't going to be knocked off the top for me soon. I really don't care if the Khmer Rouge was running the company as long as I like what I am getting. I'll quote this post to reply to everyone who responded to my post. (Don't like multi-quoting.) I was perhaps not being very clear about the problem I have with Bioware. I'm talking about how it affects their games. I'm not on Twitter, I don't usually read interviews. I base my impressions on what I see in their two most recent games. See, I did not value Bioware mostly for the CC and romances. I liked their storytelling. Their narrative. How they told their stories. Their characters and the world building. I got a better character driven storytelling from W3 and even Horizon (Aloy rocks!) than Bioware now. Because my priorities are different from those who like MEA, it seems. I'll take a set character any day over CC if I get an engaging narrative and world that I can immerse myself in. My previous post was about trying to explain why I THINK Bioware games have shifted in a way that I consider inferior to their previous games. Bioware now focuses too much on catering to self-insert romances for my liking, preoccupied with representation while of course still prioritizing the straight male gamer. So I'm not saying they are even doing a good job at this. It's a mess to me. I did read that Bioware did more focus group research than ever before. And so imo Bioware is more concerned with pleasing player fantasies in a dating sim type of way than writing a good narrative. These things are not mutually exclusive but the current result is very much to the detriment of my enjoyment. So, even if I sound like an ass, it basically boils down to: the self-insert romance crowd has ruined Bioware for me. Obviously plenty of people disagree and that is fine. If Bioware is all about CC and romances with some open world roaming to the majority of the current fanbase, then my own disappointment is irrelevant. If DA4 plays like MEA, then I won't play Bioware games anymore. Simple as that. CDPR will then replace Bioware as the company that gives me the most enjoyable experience, unless W3 was a one time deal (W2 was a good game but I much preferred the trilogy).
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Post by erikson on Apr 30, 2017 9:51:04 GMT
As a query then, it seems to me that most of the gripe here is with Bioware as a company rather than their product (however you might choose to judge that). I just find it annoying that it has to be dragged into these discussions. I like Andromeda (as I said in a previous post) more than W3 soley on the fact that I hate roleplaying as Geralt even though it is by most measures a vastly superior game (as it is to Horizon Zero Dawn, but is anybody racking that over the coles for it's inferiority). Bioware consistently gives me the gaming experience that I started playing games to get in the first place, more so than any other company. Unless Cd Projekt starts pumpiong out game of Witcher like quality but with better or cutomizable protaganists (I am very hopeful for Cyberpunk 2077) Bioware ins't going to be knocked off the top for me soon. I really don't care if the Khmer Rouge was running the company as long as I like what I am getting. I'll quote this post to reply to everyone who responded to my post. (Don't like multi-quoting.) I was perhaps not being very clear about the problem I have with Bioware. I'm talking about how it affects their games. I'm not on Twitter, I don't usually read interviews. I base my impressions on what I see in their two most recent games. See, I did not value Bioware mostly for the CC and romances. I liked their storytelling. Their narrative. How they told their stories. Their characters and the world building. I got a better character driven storytelling from W3 and even Horizon (Aloy rocks!) than Bioware now. Because my priorities are different from those who like MEA, it seems. I'll take a set character any day over CC if I get an engaging narrative and world that I can immerse myself in. My previous post was about trying to explain why I THINK Bioware games have shifted in a way that I consider inferior to their previous games. Bioware now focuses too much on catering to self-insert romances for my liking, preoccupied with representation while of course still prioritizing the straight male gamer. So I'm not saying they are even doing a good job at this. It's a mess to me. I did read that Bioware did more focus group research than ever before. And so imo Bioware is more concerned with pleasing player fantasies in a dating sim type of way than writing a good narrative. These things are not mutually exclusive but the current result is very much to the detriment of my enjoyment. So, even if I sound like an ass, it basically boils down to: the self-insert romance crowd has ruined Bioware for me. Obviously plenty of people disagree and that is fine. If Bioware is all about CC and romances with some open world roaming to the majority of the current fanbase, then my own disappointment is irrelevant. If DA4 plays like MEA, then I won't play Bioware games anymore. Simple as that. CDPR will then replace Bioware as the company that gives me the most enjoyable experience, unless W3 was a one time deal (W2 was a good game but I much preferred the trilogy). I don't really care about CC either. Except with DAO and DAI I pretty much use defaults every time. I'll take a set character as well, as long as I want to play as said character (bye bye Geralt, hello Ciri). I really don't think Aloy is all that great really. She is rather monochrom with a bland personality, but she is a hell of a lot of fun to play as (I prefer the combat in HZD over MEA but then I'll always take Lauara Croft style bow and arrow action over laser guns so I am biased). Horizon's story also is not better than MEA. I figured out the plot twist with Aloy the first time they revealed where she was found early in the game. Also, outside of the story set in Meridian, the rest of the main quest is god damn boring. It's comprised mostly of reading notes and watching holograms (and if you already figured it out or have already played it, it can get tedious). Don't get me wrong, I really liked the game and am excited to see where it goes next, but I can't agree it is better written than MEA (I was genuinely shocked by the Angara reveal, I never was by anything during HZD). As far as CDPR replacing Bioware as the RP go to, they need to make more games than one every blue moon before that will happen. If they do, then, yeah, I could probably see myself with you there.
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Post by dm04 on Apr 30, 2017 10:03:57 GMT
These games are torn apart by the simple rhetoric of- ME:A needed to be original from its MET series; and TW3 series clearly drew/entrenched in its already established lore from previous releases; much like MET compounded its story in the same fashion. However; this article made me think - ME:A was fun but it missed its moments such as www.pcgamer.com/the-best-witcher-3-characters/I cannot compare those interactions to what I experienced in ME:A - ever. Please, if you played both - give some feedback. What do you think? Did you ever get the same impact from companion/story interactions from ME:A and TW3? I wonder why, who told them that? ME fans were fine with what they had, the only reason ME moved to Andromeda is because ME3 ending was a deadend. The interactions with NPCs in TW3 are lightyears ahead of MEA (MEOT as well), also, the different models for like each NPC in TW3 is of a big help here, ME(A/OT) was like running through a clone infested world. Also, MEA world feels more generic and stale. Overall, the immersion in TW3 is pretty high.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Apr 30, 2017 10:27:55 GMT
I don't really care about CC either. Except with DAO and DAI I pretty much use defaults every time. I'll take a set character as well, as long as I want to play as said character (bye bye Geralt, hello Ciri). I really don't think Aloy is all that great really. She is rather monochrom with a bland personality, but she is a hell of a lot of fun to play as (I prefer the combat in HZD over MEA but then I'll always take Lauara Croft style bow and arrow action over laser guns so I am biased). Horizon's story also is not better than MEA. I figured out the plot twist with Aloy the first time they revealed where she was found early in the game. Also, outside of the story set in Meridian, the rest of the main quest is god damn boring. It's comprised mostly of reading notes and watching holograms (and if you already figured it out or have already played it, it can get tedious). Don't get me wrong, I really liked the game and am excited to see where it goes next, but I can't agree it is better written than MEA (I was genuinely shocked by the Angara reveal, I never was by anything during HZD). As far as CDPR replacing Bioware as the RP go to, they need to make more games than one every blue moon before that will happen. If they do, then, yeah, I could probably see myself with you there. I would LOVE to play as Ciri in a spin-off, definitely. As for Aloy, I think she's a great character. I love her sarcasm to bits. I found her story very moving. But yeah, the twist concerning her was no surprise. The overall story is glorified nonsense. But it's fun nonsense, so I don't mind. I see A LOT of similarities to Bioware actually. Bioware is not known for great plots, but they know how to tell stories. Their narratives used to draw me in, made me care about the characters. HZD tells a very emotional very personal story, and I LOVED that. I cried several times playing that game. The voice acting is really good too imo. I loved all these quirky characters in HZD and how Aloy reacts to them. I found them quite Bioware-like actually. I liked that there were different ways to respond, even if it didn't lead to any choices. But for a set character it was a nice touch. I found the different tribes genuinely interesting. I adore the art style of the game. The environments are so beautiful, the robot designs, the combat is simple fun like in W3. The only gripes I have with HZD are minor technical issues like the infuriating quest markers. SOme of the facial animations are horrific, other times really well done. W3 is a superior game to HZD, but I find HZD to be a much better blueprint for Bioware because it is so streamlined and the sidequesst quite limited and immersive to the overall setting. HZD has many elements that can be found in Bioware games, like lots of girl power, a bit of LGBT visibility, nice banter (even though there are no real companions), looks very Frostbite colorful. The emotional narrative and the ridiculous heroism of Shepard. Agreed that we haven't seen enough of CDPR to tell if they can deliver the same quality as W3 in the future.
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