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Post by linksocarina on Apr 30, 2017 21:35:15 GMT
MEA has yet to define what it is a Pathfinder even does. So I can't say what quests are Ryder's job or not. I know placing trinkets on rocks for lazy bums isn't it. As for Geralt, his job is a Witcher. That is literally his job. He doesn't get paid if he doesn't do this work. Without it, he can't have the weapons, potions, decocations, and armor made to help defend Ciri or anyone else against the Hunt. Are people actually using his job as a reference point now for a positive/negative thing? Geralt is basically the equivalent of a Monster Hunter without the anthropomorphic cats, well defined sure. The Pathfinders job is to find sustainable planets and to explore galaxies for resources. They are basically Lewis and Clark in Space. I thought it was pretty clear how both were defined. We got monster hunting in Witcher 3 (and mostly only Witcher 3) to show off his job, with 90% of it side content. We got the main plot of Andromeda all about finding a path to a home for Arks. So i'm kind of confused, what does this have to do with anything?
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Post by panzerwzh on Apr 30, 2017 21:44:04 GMT
Dear erikson, you should know a few things now: First: NEVER critizise anything in and about the witcher. Second: If you like BW you have no brain. Not even ocationally. Third: Ciri isn't his daughter, technically spoken. So maybe that's why Gerald isn''t in such a hurry (and that's why there was (is?) such a huge debate wether or not Gerald should bang Ciri, too. And well, if CDPR really LISTENS to their fans, then maybe in a Ciri spin off... because c'mon... she's just a step daughter...). 1. You can criticize TW3. Just criticize what was actually in the story instead of guessing and making stuff up. I'm not gonna say Ryder did something he didn't do just because he didn't appeal to me as a character. ie: I stopped playing MEA at the 3 hour mark. Ryder is such a terrible person who hates everyone he meets. He chased down a pregnant woman to kill her and her baby, and he could careless about saving the galaxy and stopping the Kett because he sat a trinket on a rock for some guy...and this totally goes on all throughout the game. 2. I doubt that is the opinion of most people in a BW forum. Even if they are unhappy with the certain state of their games. 3. See #1. And ew. Sounds like the people who wanted Hawke to bang his sister. Second it!
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Post by erikson on Apr 30, 2017 21:46:47 GMT
Dear erikson, you should know a few things now: First: NEVER critizise anything in and about the witcher. Second: If you like BW you have no brain. Not even ocationally. Third: Ciri isn't his daughter, technically spoken. So maybe that's why Gerald isn''t in such a hurry (and that's why there was (is?) such a huge debate wether or not Gerald should bang Ciri, too. And well, if CDPR really LISTENS to their fans, then maybe in a Ciri spin off... because c'mon... she's just a step daughter...). 1. You can criticize TW3. Just criticize what was actually in the story instead of guessing and making stuff up. I'm not gonna say Ryder did something he didn't do just because he didn't appeal to me as a character. ie: I stopped playing MEA at the 3 hour mark. Ryder is such a terrible person who hates everyone he meets. He chased down a pregnant woman to kill her and her baby, and he could careless about saving the galaxy and stopping the Kett because he sat a trinket on a rock for some guy...and this totally goes on all throughout the game. 2. I doubt that is the opinion of most people in a BW forum. Even if they are unhappy with the certain state of their games. 3. See #1. And ew. Sounds like the people who wanted Hawke to bang his sister. 1: nothing that I did. 2: one would hope 3: I don't actrually think that about Gerault, just what I would if the poster's statement were true of him. What about Hawke now??? ok, we need more than one now: online upload photos
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Post by erikson on Apr 30, 2017 21:48:28 GMT
MEA has yet to define what it is a Pathfinder even does. So I can't say what quests are Ryder's job or not. I know placing trinkets on rocks for lazy bums isn't it. As for Geralt, his job is a Witcher. That is literally his job. He doesn't get paid if he doesn't do this work. Without it, he can't have the weapons, potions, decocations, and armor made to help defend Ciri or anyone else against the Hunt. Are people actually using his job as a reference point now for a positive/negative thing? Geralt is basically the equivalent of a Monster Hunter without the anthropomorphic cats, well defined sure. The Pathfinders job is to find sustainable planets and to explore galaxies for resources. They are basically Lewis and Clark in Space. I thought it was pretty clear how both were defined. We got monster hunting in Witcher 3 (and mostly only Witcher 3) to show off his job, with 90% of it side content. We got the main plot of Andromeda all about finding a path to a home for Arks. So i'm kind of confused, what does this have to do with anything? Don't ask logical questions or you don't have a brain. Actually using your brain proves you don't have one.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 30, 2017 21:49:15 GMT
MEA has yet to define what it is a Pathfinder even does. So I can't say what quests are Ryder's job or not. I know placing trinkets on rocks for lazy bums isn't it. As for Geralt, his job is a Witcher. That is literally his job. He doesn't get paid if he doesn't do this work. Without it, he can't have the weapons, potions, decocations, and armor made to help defend Ciri or anyone else against the Hunt. You better not be reffering to the quest where you place a momento on a rock for his brother who died?
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Post by friffy on Apr 30, 2017 21:53:30 GMT
Dear erikson, you should know a few things now: First: NEVER critizise anything in and about the witcher. Second: If you like BW you have no brain. Not even ocationally. Third: Ciri isn't his daughter, technically spoken. So maybe that's why Gerald isn''t in such a hurry (and that's why there was (is?) such a huge debate wether or not Gerald should bang Ciri, too. And well, if CDPR really LISTENS to their fans, then maybe in a Ciri spin off... because c'mon... she's just a step daughter...). 1. You can criticize TW3. Just criticize what was actually in the story instead of guessing and making stuff up. I'm not gonna say Ryder did something he didn't do just because he didn't appeal to me as a character. ie: I stopped playing MEA at the 3 hour mark. Ryder is such a terrible person who hates everyone he meets. He chased down a pregnant woman to kill her and her baby, and he could careless about saving the galaxy and stopping the Kett because he sat a trinket on a rock for some guy...and this totally goes on all throughout the game. 2. I doubt that is the opinion of most people in a BW forum. Even if they are unhappy with the certain state of their games. 3. See #1. And ew. Sounds like the people who wanted Hawke to bang his sister.I guess it's the same group of people in both cases. And they all enjoy witcher now. Because of the more mature aspects of gaming that witcher offers.
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Post by erikson on Apr 30, 2017 21:54:30 GMT
MEA has yet to define what it is a Pathfinder even does. So I can't say what quests are Ryder's job or not. I know placing trinkets on rocks for lazy bums isn't it. As for Geralt, his job is a Witcher. That is literally his job. He doesn't get paid if he doesn't do this work. Without it, he can't have the weapons, potions, decocations, and armor made to help defend Ciri or anyone else against the Hunt. I seriously doubt in the books Geralt is constantly buying new weapons and armour every twelve minutes like he is in a roleplaying game. It's just a game mechanic, nothing wrong with that, but trying to give it story based logic is just futile (Jjust like trying to say Ryder contructing her own weapons and armor out of scraps on her ship is story based).
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Post by jmac1424 on Apr 30, 2017 21:58:01 GMT
Comparing MEA to the The Witcher 3 is absolutely laughable. Comparing CDPR to the Biovar or EA is even more laughable.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 21:58:13 GMT
Yes, I've helped Kiera... sent her back to Kaer Morhen with her notes. Wandering in the Dark was a tough fight... but emotionally memorable? Not for me. What makes the subsequent quest (Advancement of Learning) so memorable? Because, honestly, I don't see it. The romance is a "fetch" dinner and "get benefits" quest... and from what I've seen online, the same basic love scene is used repeatedly in the game with courtesans. Is there some big quest involving her curing the plague down the road in the game? From what I've read, it's nothing more than a footnote at the end. I did say also that the interaction with Grace Sato (who only appears in one rather minor N7 mission) is more interesting to me than the two with Tamara. Other examples... interractions with Kaylee Sanders and the students at Grissom Academy (even without Jack being there). Or how about the interractions with Primarch Victus about his son Tarquin Victus even though Shepard just meets both of them in ME3. What about the conversation that can occur between Ashley and Tali over Tarquin Victus (if Turian Bomb is done after Rannoch). Would you consider these more comparable? What makes anything memorable? The romance? The romance is a means to an end a fun little optional thing you can do or not. Why in the hell do you keep focusing on these random meaningless details in much larger quests? Is that the only way you can justify the Idea that Mass Effect did it soo much better? I don't even remember a lot of these conversations you are bringing up and I've played ME3 four times. So I guess because I can't remember them they aren't "memorable"? To be fair though I only have one playthrough where I didn't leave Ash on Virmire. Kahlee Sanders was meh as far as characters go in general. Again, Geralt has his more personal interactions later in the game. Then answer the question - Why you find Kiera's quest line so memorable? I did not find it very memorable and you're the one who assured that it is... so, honest question, what is it about it that makes it memorable to you. You can insert your answer in a spoiler tag if you want. I'm not particularly concerned about being spoiled about the later stages of the game at this poiint. Perhaps if someone actually comes up with a spoiler that re-ignites some interest for me, I might be inclined to play on a little longer. As I've said, I found what I played so far so uninspiring that I've quit. I don't like quitting games and I don't quit them often... so... opportunity... inspire me.
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Post by Serza on Apr 30, 2017 21:58:50 GMT
MEA has yet to define what it is a Pathfinder even does. So I can't say what quests are Ryder's job or not. I know placing trinkets on rocks for lazy bums isn't it. As for Geralt, his job is a Witcher. That is literally his job. He doesn't get paid if he doesn't do this work. Without it, he can't have the weapons, potions, decocations, and armor made to help defend Ciri or anyone else against the Hunt. You better not be reffering to the quest where you place a momento on a rock for his brother who died? Labeled "Task" as well. But what am I even doing in this thread, right. I should get back to those sidearm drills.
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Post by erikson on Apr 30, 2017 22:04:07 GMT
Comparing MEA to the The Witcher 3 is absolutely laughable. Comparing CDPR to the Biovar or EA is even more laughable. We are here to entertain, take a seat and enjoy the show! images of up
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Post by colfoley on Apr 30, 2017 22:05:46 GMT
You better not be reffering to the quest where you place a momento on a rock for his brother who died? Labeled "Task" as well. But what am I even doing in this thread, right. I should get back to those sidearm drills. Oh yeah that was a task wasn't it? Regardless that guy wasn't really all that capable of doing anything by himself. Eos was an irradiated dangerous mess. The guy was just out of cryo and was clearly a civillian. He asked Ryder for a favor as a person, not neccessarily a pathfinder, and Ryder obliged. Or not, its up to the player. Yet some players feel the need to bitch about the choices that they make in the game saying 'its not something the pathfinder may do'...fine maybe not, but it is something humans do.
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Post by jmac1424 on Apr 30, 2017 22:09:10 GMT
Comparing MEA to the The Witcher 3 is absolutely laughable. Comparing CDPR to the Biovar or EA is even more laughable. We are here to entertain, take a seat and enjoy the show! images of upI'm a MP guy who unfortunately waded into the pool of SP because of drunkenness. Apologies all around
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Post by erikson on Apr 30, 2017 22:11:42 GMT
We are here to entertain, take a seat and enjoy the show! images of upI'm a MP guy who unfortunately waded into the pool of SP because of drunkenness. Apologies all around No worries, our bouncers are gentle and kind to the inebriated...god speed in your future sojourns
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Post by slimgrin on Apr 30, 2017 22:13:22 GMT
Then answer the question - Why you find Kiera's quest line so memorable? From a reactivity standpoint, it's one of the best in the game. You have multiple options to end it, and a couple of those are very impactful. The results of two choices take place hours later. The atmosphere in the tower was excellent, and you get a new option for discovering all of the ghostly interactions. On top of all of that, Keira is a great character, who, in typical Sapkowski fashion, is looking after number one. But depending on your actions, you can make her a more sympathetic character who ends up aiding you against the wild hunt. It has all the ingredients of excellent quest design. I don't know what more you expect from a developer.
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Post by erikson on Apr 30, 2017 22:16:27 GMT
Then answer the question - Why you find Kiera's quest line so memorable? From a reactivity standpoint, it's one of the best in the game. You have multiple options to end it, and a couple of those are very impactful. The results of two choices take place hours later. The atmosphere in the tower was excellent, and you get a new option for discovering all of the ghostly interactions. On top of all of that, Keira is a great character, who, in typical Sapkowski fashion, is looking after number one. But depending on your actions, you can make her a more sympathetic character who ends up aiding you against the wild hunt. It has all the ingredients of excellent quest design. I don't know what more you expect from a developer. Overuled! Everything in Heart of Stone is the best thing in the game...I have spoken.
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Post by simtam on Apr 30, 2017 22:21:19 GMT
UpUpAwayRedux, you were called out on reducing the Allgod quest to a simple "go there and kill for a reward". It might be okayish in the context of comparison with ME3 quests. Why do you guys compare TW3 to ME3? I've heard pretty much only good impressions about the side content in ME3. (Okay, maybe not how the Jacob romance was handled, but that's about it). ... and I stand by that assessment. The quest physically involves nothing more than - 1) talk to two guys after stumbling across the ruin 2) look around and go to basement 3) kill monster or not 3) return to original 2 guys you talked with. Yes, the conversations are cut scenes, but it is still not a complex Witcher Contract of anywhere near the depth of the Griffin one in White Orchard. There are those little textual paragraphs for all the little quests... even the ones one just stumbles on like "Sunken Treasure." I don't think the Allgod text is any more revealing about Geralt's character than Shepard opting to pass on a dying message or not. In the case of ME3, that revelation about Shepard's character is just not laid out in a textual journal wrap up (which is merely a game mechanic). Another example... Benning Evidence. There are a couple of different ways to approach that quest - 1) obtain the quest by overhearing Ambassador Osoba and offer to help him 2) overhear the soldiers talking in Purgatory 3) just stumble on the dog tags on Benning. Then Shepard decides... do I take them to Osoba or not. Doing the former reveals that it's important to him as a soldier to not leave relatives of the fallen hanging... regardless of how he acquires the quest). Not completing it after overhearing all the anquish Osoba and the men in Bilal's unit are going through, says that he can be a pretty callous guy. The difference is that it's just not spoon-fed to the player in a journal entry. So, perhaps one improvement that could be suggested to Bioware is to spoon-feed the character results of each action in some sort of textual journal entry on the PC. I don't know how the character tracking system in ME:A works (until I start playing the game itself). No one has really mentioned it here. Sounds like most players don't read journal entries for completed quests. So there wouldn't be no harm if they did that spoon-feeding. On the plus side, this at least would force the writers to rephrase what they have written. And in case of the attempted murder quest, it would mean an increased chance that someone actually used the term "attempted murder". btw. Regarding the Keira sent to Kaer Morhen, and spoiler about what's her reprisal role... And also regarding the dilemma "search for Ciri vs do the witcher's job" -- in the next part of the game you get the Kaer Morhen unlocked, and your mission is no longer to simply explain what happened to Ciri.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Apr 30, 2017 22:56:47 GMT
Overuled! Everything in Heart of Stone is the best thing in the game...I have spoken. Objection! Blood and Wine is better than 90% of all games I've ever played. HoS was excellent, though.
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Post by erikson on Apr 30, 2017 23:01:20 GMT
Overuled! Everything in Heart of Stone is the best thing in the game...I have spoken. Objection! Blood and Wine is better than 90% of all games I've ever played. HoS was excellent, though. Gaunter O'dimm wants a world with you!
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Post by mikeymoonshine on May 1, 2017 0:57:12 GMT
What makes anything memorable? The romance? The romance is a means to an end a fun little optional thing you can do or not. Why in the hell do you keep focusing on these random meaningless details in much larger quests? Is that the only way you can justify the Idea that Mass Effect did it soo much better? I don't even remember a lot of these conversations you are bringing up and I've played ME3 four times. So I guess because I can't remember them they aren't "memorable"? To be fair though I only have one playthrough where I didn't leave Ash on Virmire. Kahlee Sanders was meh as far as characters go in general. Again, Geralt has his more personal interactions later in the game. Then answer the question - Why you find Kiera's quest line so memorable? I did not find it very memorable and you're the one who assured that it is... so, honest question, what is it about it that makes it memorable to you. You can insert your answer in a spoiler tag if you want. I'm not particularly concerned about being spoiled about the later stages of the game at this poiint. Perhaps if someone actually comes up with a spoiler that re-ignites some interest for me, I might be inclined to play on a little longer. As I've said, I found what I played so far so uninspiring that I've quit. I don't like quitting games and I don't quit them often... so... opportunity... inspire me. I don't think you understood my response. It's become obvious that whatever I bring up you are going to disagree with and poke holes in. Finding something memorable is down to interpretation, personal taste ect ect which I was pointing out. You don't seem to agree with any of the positives I and others have brought up so why should I continue to waste my time? If you don't like the game that's fine but lets not pretend this is based on anything other than your opinion. I liked exploring the Tower on the Island, learning about what happened there from the ghosts there and then the different ways the quest can play out depending on whether or not you help the ghost of Anabelle. Anyway no, I don't feel the need to sell the game to you any more than I already have. It was critically acclaimed and very well received by the community, if you didn't like it maybe that's just your taste.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on May 1, 2017 1:08:01 GMT
From a reactivity standpoint, it's one of the best in the game. You have multiple options to end it, and a couple of those are very impactful. The results of two choices take place hours later. The atmosphere in the tower was excellent, and you get a new option for discovering all of the ghostly interactions. On top of all of that, Keira is a great character, who, in typical Sapkowski fashion, is looking after number one. But depending on your actions, you can make her a more sympathetic character who ends up aiding you against the wild hunt. It has all the ingredients of excellent quest design. I don't know what more you expect from a developer. Overuled! Everything in Heart of Stone is the best thing in the game...I have spoken. Hearts of stone had an amazing story but it didn't have that bank quest in Blood and Wine. :lmfao:
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Post by erikson on May 1, 2017 1:10:40 GMT
Overuled! Everything in Heart of Stone is the best thing in the game...I have spoken. Hearts of stone had an amazing story but it didn't have that bank quest in Blood and Wine. :lmfao: Fun times. get a url for a picture
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Post by bryanky5 on May 1, 2017 1:11:35 GMT
Objection! Blood and Wine is better than 90% of all games I've ever played. HoS was excellent, though. Gaunter O'dimm wants a world with you! Gaunter O'dimm was indeed very cool But the Unseen Elder scared me more
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Post by mikeymoonshine on May 1, 2017 1:11:40 GMT
Hearts of stone had an amazing story but it didn't have that bank quest in Blood and Wine. :lmfao: Fun times. get a url for a picturebased on this apparently
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Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by erikson on May 1, 2017 1:13:45 GMT
Gaunter O'dimm wants a world with you! Gaunter O'dimm was indeed very cool But the Unseen Elder scared me more Never saw him...I went to Mother Goose land instead XD
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