So... After 4 ME games I still can't romance an African-American woman?

Vivienne isn't romanceable.


Sloane Kelly isn't romanceable.


And they're both voiced by the same exact actress.


Something clearly going on from Bioware.

Pretty sure Traynor is supposed to be of South Asian heritage, she got pissed with Kaidan when he asked her to back her up on the right way to cook curry in the Citadel DLC

+100 for lore. You're right! 

Bioware seem to be only comfortable with black males for some reason. The only black male NPC in this series that CAN'T be romanced is David Anderson. 

Vivenne was really deliberate. She was a companion, and you could actually flirt with her.

In  MEA they made Reyes romanceable, but not Sloane somehow... when they share the same dynamic of the story.

Sloane may have been one of those "damned if they do, damned if they don't" situations.

Reyes was designed to be dashing, charming, appealing, therefore a natural candidate for romance.

Sloane is harsh, unpleasant, and hard-looking - not the sort of character that a lot of people stand in line to date. Given the propensity of a lot of people to bitch and moan about perceived shortcomings in female LIs, it's probably easier for BioWare to not provide a romance arc for her than to deal with the backlash.

Just a couple corrections: afaik about those "torture chambers" you know only if you keep Sloan as Kadara's ruler (a bone thrown to those condemning Kadara to Slaon's thugs to  make them feel better), and even in this case - no direct involvement of Reyes. Oh, and "pathological lye" is actually not giving up the identity of Charlatan - the only thing protecting Reyes from fast death. So, sorry, this is not a place to search for "personality conflict".

As of trailer - Sloan looked like a little girl in that one, which was contradicting everything about her long military career and months of a ruff life of a gang leader. Had nothing to do attractiveness in general.

It's a heavy offtopic here, but I have to say. Dloan does give a direct orders and you know for sure "protection money" and beating is here idea. As all other crimes. As of lies - what else did he lie about? (if we truly consider not ginig up a vital information on first meeting a lie)

Reyes IS a better choice for many reasons (from personal to political, see the related topic), but we are talking about romances here, and all I am saying is there is zero problem with his personality romance-wise (unless you take offense if person you are interested in dares have any secret from you, but in that case you have a nice twist, still good I say).

So Reyes doesn't give orders The Collective?


when Ryder asks who  The Charlatan is, Reyes says he doesn't know.


How is that not lying?



You don't particularly mind for it but there were many people that did, because trust is one of the building blocks to any relationship, friendly or otherwise, and twisting that no matter how trivial it may seem is inevitably still going to damage that relationship, and spells out the FUTURE for your blindess to Reyes' speciality in being a deceitful, unpredictable individual. Reyes' actions in the game are a good indicator of what he'll do later. A leopard can't change its spot. Sloane is a honest and brutal hardass in the present, so i'LL know she generally continue being that in the future and the next time she makes an appearance. Reyes is a manipulative mastermind that masks his true intentions with charm and good PR in the present, so generally this will follow suit in the future as well.
 
Reyes is spelled out to be the most  enigmatic person you'll ever come across (that even your squadmates say he's untrustworthy). Reyes' secrets are not normal secrets, they're secrets you can't even quantify because of how relentlessly shady he is. No Reyes supporter can quantify what his role in Kadara could ever bring because Reyes has no reason to stay true to anything but his own mysterious ambtions.

Devil's advocate on this: I didn't fault Reyes for lying about that considering how easily his life would have been forfeit if that bit of information had gotten out. I doubt Sloane would waited to asses the evidence before attempting something and he had no way of knowing who Ryder would trust that bit of information with. Even if he trusts Ryder with it, he has no way of knowing who Ryder trust, who Ryder might converse with and who Ryder might include that in a report to. That's why I can't fault him for keeping that a secret from Ryder until Sloane was about to be dealt with and he wouldn't have to worry about a surprise ambush from her.

I'm not saying he doesn't engage in shady stuff but I consider this to be an understandable precaution given where he was and the stakes involved.  

I see.

So Ryder should trust someone that doesn't fundamentally trust him/her with a 10 feet pole?

There's something bold about Reyes and expecting  Ryder to  just  totally tag along with that.  Like Reyes inherently believed he had Ryder wrapped around his finger. There's something sinister about that type of perception.


It's almost like the Samara/Morinth decision but even that one wasn't deceitful in the slightest.

As an option, a black woman romance would be fine.

But in Andromeda there is only one human option. So without options, white was the right choice.

Oh, I can see the dots, just amazed at your connections.

Not revealing death threatening information about himself - pathological liar. Secretly caring about people - keeps a "good facade". Suspected in any sort of non benevolent behavior - criminal as bad as Sloan and any good deeds can be safely ignored. Saw a cave with blood spots  in it - Reyes has "torture rooms, kill rooms, in secretive caves" (plural) all over Kadara. Nice judgement.

Now, I do not know what you see on this video, but let's look at it together, shall we?

A) You only get that cave if you side with Sloan - so you did not feel that bad every time your Kadara's outpost pays "protection money" to Sloan. Should you choose Reyes - Collective remains the force of good.

Now the video. So, Charlatan was searching for his missing agent. One of the Collective  investigator caught one of Sloan's thug - you know, "drag them, beat them to the death and throw to the wasteland" kind of guy. He (the investigator) gets information about the missing agent by some cruel methods you never saw, learns about agent's death and then orders to destroy the logs. Where is "Charlatan torturing innocent people" in all that?

I'll take "beating the thug" over murdering unarmed civilians any day. And it's even without speculations about reasons for "investigator" to destroy the logs and not proudly presenting them to Charlatan (because one might say investigator did not want Charlatan to learn about investigator's methods). Sloan has not a single redeeming quality, while Reyes can be incriminated with "not being a complete paladin" charge. Hard choice, truly.