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Post by cloud9 on May 25, 2017 1:35:50 GMT
As an option, a black woman romance would be fine. But in Andromeda there is only one human option. So without options, white was the right choice.
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Post by obatalaryder on May 29, 2017 6:46:22 GMT
Ashley was designed to be black as evidenced by the concept art... Even her voice actress was black... A strange change in development to say the least.
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Post by obatalaryder on May 29, 2017 6:48:01 GMT
As an option, a black woman romance would be fine. But in Andromeda there is only one human option. So without options, white was the right choice. Don't take the bait. That one was too obvious.
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Post by obatalaryder on May 29, 2017 7:01:59 GMT
Reyes has a "free clinic", doing suppossedly doing benevolent things out in the open, while simultaneously having torture rooms, kill rooms, in secretive caves and hidden bases. Connect the dots. Oh, I can see the dots, just amazed at your connections. Not revealing death threatening information about himself - pathological liar. Secretly caring about people - keeps a "good facade". Suspected in any sort of non benevolent behavior - criminal as bad as Sloan and any good deeds can be safely ignored. Saw a cave with blood spots in it - Reyes has "torture rooms, kill rooms, in secretive caves" (plural) all over Kadara. Nice judgement. Now, I do not know what you see on this video, but let's look at it together, shall we? A) You only get that cave if you side with Sloan - so you did not feel that bad every time your Kadara's outpost pays "protection money" to Sloan. Should you choose Reyes - Collective remains the force of good. Now the video. So, Charlatan was searching for his missing agent. One of the Collective investigator caught one of Sloan's thug - you know, "drag them, beat them to the death and throw to the wasteland" kind of guy. He (the investigator) gets information about the missing agent by some cruel methods you never saw, learns about agent's death and then orders to destroy the logs. Where is "Charlatan torturing innocent people" in all that? I'll take "beating the thug" over murdering unarmed civilians any day. And it's even without speculations about reasons for "investigator" to destroy the logs and not proudly presenting them to Charlatan (because one might say investigator did not want Charlatan to learn about investigator's methods). Sloan has not a single redeeming quality, while Reyes can be incriminated with "not being a complete paladin" charge. Hard choice, truly. Sounds you're making romanticized excuses for torture. Bioware is not subtle at all with the intent they've created for Reyes. The game constantly spells it out for you.
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Post by Amirit on May 29, 2017 9:46:07 GMT
Oh, I can see the dots, just amazed at your connections. Not revealing death threatening information about himself - pathological liar. Secretly caring about people - keeps a "good facade". Suspected in any sort of non benevolent behavior - criminal as bad as Sloan and any good deeds can be safely ignored. Saw a cave with blood spots in it - Reyes has "torture rooms, kill rooms, in secretive caves" (plural) all over Kadara. Nice judgement. Now, I do not know what you see on this video, but let's look at it together, shall we? A) You only get that cave if you side with Sloan - so you did not feel that bad every time your Kadara's outpost pays "protection money" to Sloan. Should you choose Reyes - Collective remains the force of good. Now the video. So, Charlatan was searching for his missing agent. One of the Collective investigator caught one of Sloan's thug - you know, "drag them, beat them to the death and throw to the wasteland" kind of guy. He (the investigator) gets information about the missing agent by some cruel methods you never saw, learns about agent's death and then orders to destroy the logs. Where is "Charlatan torturing innocent people" in all that? I'll take "beating the thug" over murdering unarmed civilians any day. And it's even without speculations about reasons for "investigator" to destroy the logs and not proudly presenting them to Charlatan (because one might say investigator did not want Charlatan to learn about investigator's methods). Sloan has not a single redeeming quality, while Reyes can be incriminated with "not being a complete paladin" charge. Hard choice, truly. Sounds you're making romanticized excuses for torture. Bioware is not subtle at all with the intent they've created for Reyes. The game constantly spells it out for you. Sounds like you are determined to hate the character but instead of admitting that this is a pure emotion trying (and failing) to reason your hatred. Reyes is not a paladin, but saying he is as bad (choice) as Sloan does not hold a grain of truth.
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Post by cloud9 on May 29, 2017 20:52:30 GMT
Ashley was designed to be black as evidenced by the concept art... Even her voice actress was black... A strange change in development to say the least. And they're writing her as a bigot. What the hell BioWare?
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Post by Serza on May 29, 2017 22:05:45 GMT
Eh, it's you so I might as well not, but it's more of a realist, really.
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Post by cloud9 on May 29, 2017 22:30:05 GMT
Don't take the bait. That one was too obvious. Trust me. Never gonna happen especially they are known for screaming "rape" at us and ended up dead.
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Post by luke on May 30, 2017 16:14:59 GMT
As an option, a black woman romance would be fine. But in Andromeda there is only one human option. So without options, white was the right choice. Wow. Just wow. How was "white the right choice"? Why is it that white should be the "correct" default? White women have been the only romanceable human options in many Mass Effect games so why is it wrong that a black woman should be the only romanceable human female?
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Post by Cannibal on May 30, 2017 21:56:52 GMT
As an option, a black woman romance would be fine. But in Andromeda there is only one human option. So without options, white was the right choice. Wow. Just wow. How was "white the right choice"? Why is it that white should be the "correct" default? White women have been the only romanceable human options in many Mass Effect games so why is it wrong that a black woman should be the only romanceable human female? More white people play the game.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 3:55:41 GMT
Wow. Just wow. How was "white the right choice"? Why is it that white should be the "correct" default? White women have been the only romanceable human options in many Mass Effect games so why is it wrong that a black woman should be the only romanceable human female? More white people play the game. So. more black female gamers playing the game? Or pink-purple? And what of the folks of oriental descent of either gender? Or did Jade Empire fulfill oriental quota for two decades to come? I was just watching a superhero show, and they were making a connection between civil rights movement, Falcon, Panther and Storm, and I started to wonder why there is are no Asian chars... it gets annoying when politics get involved in art like that. Just wish they'd vary the palette a bit more in ME standard 2 starting humans. That one silly ME book I read described Leng's face as Chinese with something, something being Russian about it. the weirdest description of an appearance I've ever read.
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Post by cloud9 on May 31, 2017 17:14:23 GMT
As an option, a black woman romance would be fine. But in Andromeda there is only one human option. So without options, white was the right choice. Wow. Just wow. How was "white the right choice"? Why is it that white should be the "correct" default? White women have been the only romanceable human options in many Mass Effect games so why is it wrong that a black woman should be the only romanceable human female? Because BioWare has issues with black women as love interests? And white women LIs are so tiresome and it ruins the experience.
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Post by Steelcan on May 31, 2017 17:35:49 GMT
guys Cloud9 is a troll, please stop feeding it
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Post by luke on Jun 4, 2017 0:15:38 GMT
Wow. Just wow. How was "white the right choice"? Why is it that white should be the "correct" default? White women have been the only romanceable human options in many Mass Effect games so why is it wrong that a black woman should be the only romanceable human female? More white people play the game. Jesus. First of all, where have you pulled that information from? Second of all, why does that mean that black women should be treated differently? If white women can be presented as the sole LI choice with no alternatives, then women of other ethnicities should be given the same treatment. That includes black women. Treating white women as the default perpetuates racist beauty standards that need to be abolished.
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Post by blackcell on Jun 11, 2017 7:59:35 GMT
More white people play the game. Jesus. First of all, where have you pulled that information from? Second of all, why does that mean that black women should be treated differently? If white women can be presented as the sole LI choice with no alternatives, then women of other ethnicities should be given the same treatment. That includes black women. Treating white women as the default perpetuates racist beauty standards that need to be abolished. On that I totally agree with your statement.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 11:34:08 GMT
More white people play the game. Jesus. First of all, where have you pulled that information from? Second of all, why does that mean that black women should be treated differently? If white women can be presented as the sole LI choice with no alternatives, then women of other ethnicities should be given the same treatment. That includes black women. Treating white women as the default perpetuates racist beauty standards that need to be abolished. Given that most gamers, like 90% of them are from Europe and North America is a safe assumption that they are mainly white. Not that it matters, but it is still true. I don't however agree that it should decide what kind of ethnicities are in the game. That should be up to the writers and designers. So if Ashley was black it wouldn't have changed anything, but does it then matter that she is white? Not really.
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Post by sil on Jun 11, 2017 11:49:19 GMT
Regardless of anything, I'd like the next human romance to feature non-north american characters. I'm certain that they weren't the only humans on earth to go into space, so lets see some variety.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 12, 2017 2:15:41 GMT
There hasn't been an Asian LI, male or female, in both DA or ME.
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Post by cespar on Jun 12, 2017 3:31:45 GMT
There hasn't been an Asian LI, male or female, in both DA or ME. But there has been an Asian LI in Jade Empire. There hasn't been a black woman LI in any of their game.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 12, 2017 3:49:36 GMT
There hasn't been an Asian LI, male or female, in both DA or ME. But there has been an Asian LI in Jade Empire. There hasn't been a black woman LI in any of their game. Isabela, from what was said in the old official forum, was Black. Raina from Star wars The Old Republic also is Black, from what I remember. I see the problem more as the lack of Asian and Black woman as companions which led to the lack of LIs, since companions are usually the ones who are romanceable. The question instead of being about the lack of Black females to romance, it should be more about the lack of Black female companions or Asian companions in general.
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Post by cespar on Jun 12, 2017 4:15:26 GMT
But there has been an Asian LI in Jade Empire. There hasn't been a black woman LI in any of their game. Isabela, from what was said in the old official forum, was Black. Raina from Star wars The Old Republic also is Black, from what I remember. I see the problem more as the lack of Asian and Black woman as companions which led to the lack of LIs, since companions are usually the ones who are romanceable. The question instead of being about the lack of Black females to romance, it should be more about the lack of Black female companions or Asian companions in general. Isabella wasn't black, she is more Latina. Vivienne was black. They may both be from Rivain, but I guess it's two kind of people from there. I don't really count swtor, because the human companions can be any race. Well Jade Empire whole cast was Asian, so they aren't lacking that much. There has been only two black women companion. The lady from Baldur's Gate and Vivienne.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 12, 2017 5:02:37 GMT
Isabela, from what was said in the old official forum, was Black. Raina from Star wars The Old Republic also is Black, from what I remember. I see the problem more as the lack of Asian and Black woman as companions which led to the lack of LIs, since companions are usually the ones who are romanceable. The question instead of being about the lack of Black females to romance, it should be more about the lack of Black female companions or Asian companions in general. Isabella wasn't black, she is more Latina. Vivienne was black. They may both be from Rivain, but I guess it's two kind of people from there. I don't really count swtor, because the human companions can be any race. Well Jade Empire whole cast was Asian, so they aren't lacking that much. There has been only two black women companion. The lady from Baldur's Gate and Vivienne. People of Rivaini descent are the equivalent to black racially. Isabela is Rivaini so she is black same as Vivienne. The only reason Isabela doesn't look black is because of the limitations of the Eclipse engine used for DAO and DA2. This was no longer an issue once they switched to Frostbite, thus why Vivienne looks more black than Isabela.
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Post by cespar on Jun 12, 2017 5:38:27 GMT
Isabella wasn't black, she is more Latina. Vivienne was black. They may both be from Rivain, but I guess it's two kind of people from there. I don't really count swtor, because the human companions can be any race. Well Jade Empire whole cast was Asian, so they aren't lacking that much. There has been only two black women companion. The lady from Baldur's Gate and Vivienne. People of Rivaini descent are the equivalent to black racially. Isabela is Rivaini so she is black same as Vivienne. The only reason Isabela doesn't look black is because of the limitations of the Eclipse engine used for DAO and DA2. This was no longer an issue once they switched to Frostbite, thus why Vivienne looks more black than Isabela. Not everyone in Africa are black. So I'm guessing the same works for Rivaini. Plus, Isabela was the exact same skin tone in Inquisition, so I doubt it was just the engine. And I was able to make a black Hawke.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 12, 2017 8:55:23 GMT
People of Rivaini descent are the equivalent to black racially. Isabela is Rivaini so she is black same as Vivienne. The only reason Isabela doesn't look black is because of the limitations of the Eclipse engine used for DAO and DA2. This was no longer an issue once they switched to Frostbite, thus why Vivienne looks more black than Isabela. Not everyone in Africa are black. So I'm guessing the same works for Rivaini. Plus, Isabela was the exact same skin tone in Inquisition, so I doubt it was just the engine. And I was able to make a black Hawke. She looked the same in Inquisition because by then she had an iconic look. Plus there are some black people with her skin tone, or are you saying those black people aren't black either? You may not think Isabela is black, but she is.
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Post by cespar on Jun 12, 2017 9:53:29 GMT
Not everyone in Africa are black. So I'm guessing the same works for Rivaini. Plus, Isabela was the exact same skin tone in Inquisition, so I doubt it was just the engine. And I was able to make a black Hawke. She looked the same in Inquisition because by then she had an iconic look. Plus there are some black people with her skin tone, or are you saying those black people aren't black either? You may not think Isabela is black, but she is. Please don't try to educate a black person on people. I never said black people aren't black, so don't put words in my mouth. You may want to go look at the Dragon Age 2 Destiny trailer and just look at her in game, because she looks more Latina then anything.
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