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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 12, 2017 10:41:26 GMT
She looked the same in Inquisition because by then she had an iconic look. Plus there are some black people with her skin tone, or are you saying those black people aren't black either? You may not think Isabela is black, but she is. Please don't try to educate a black person on people. I never said black people aren't black, so don't put words in my mouth. You may want to go look at the Dragon Age 2 Destiny trailer and just look at her in game, because she looks more Latina then anything. I wasn't putting words in your mouth. I was asking a genuine question for clarification. The lore and the devs say that Isabela is black. There are no Latina people in Dragon Age. The closest is Antivans but Isabela is not Antivan she is Rivaini.
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Post by cespar on Jun 12, 2017 10:54:47 GMT
Please don't try to educate a black person on people. I never said black people aren't black, so don't put words in my mouth. You may want to go look at the Dragon Age 2 Destiny trailer and just look at her in game, because she looks more Latina then anything. I wasn't putting words in your mouth. I was asking a genuine question for clarification. The lore and the devs say that Isabela is black. There are no Latina people in Dragon Age. The closest is Antivans but Isabela is not Antivan she is Rivaini. Sorry for jumping at you. We only know that Isabella's mother is Rivaini, but her father is unknown. She just doesn't look like a black person to me, but the lore says that Isabela is dark tan, which people in Rivain range from dark tan to ebony. I haven't heard the devs refer to her as black, but if they did, then they must not have seen any black people. I would at least say that she's half-black. But on topic, we haven't had any female romance that looks like Vivienne, Jacob, or Liam.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 12, 2017 20:28:47 GMT
I wasn't putting words in your mouth. I was asking a genuine question for clarification. The lore and the devs say that Isabela is black. There are no Latina people in Dragon Age. The closest is Antivans but Isabela is not Antivan she is Rivaini. Sorry for jumping at you. We only know that Isabella's mother is Rivaini, but her father is unknown. She just doesn't look like a black person to me, but the lore says that Isabela is dark tan, which people in Rivain range from dark tan to ebony. I haven't heard the devs refer to her as black, but if they did, then they must not have seen any black people. I would at least say that she's half-black. But on topic, we haven't had any female romance that looks like Vivienne, Jacob, or Liam. It's okay. Thank you for apologizing. I can see where she may be half-black, her mother being black and her father something else(maybe of Antivan descent hence the Latina qualities Isabela has as well).
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Post by hanskey on Jun 12, 2017 20:33:15 GMT
Why do you have to specify "african american"? Is there something wrong with just saying black? It always annoys me when people use it in contexts where it makes no sense, like this one. Why can't they be european, canadian or, you know, just african? On topic though, I would like to see them add a female black LI to ME or Dragon Age at some point. I shouldn't interject as this is really, really not my milieu, but Americans (white ones especially) have been trained to use this as the proper term, b/c it feels less racist and is therefore the Politically Correct reference. FWIW, objectively, "black" is not a correct descriptor anyway, though "dark" would be apt. "Black" people's skin has loads of cool colors in unexpected combinations, including blues, purples and browns, etc., but not one stitch is fully "black" without B&W photography on any real person I've ever seen. "Black", also gets to "negro", which is just the Spanish word for black, but sounds similar enough to another "n" word that most whites in America wish to avoid like the plague, given our history. Lots of nasty associations and white guilt needing to be overcome here and so terms get invented that are hard to understand from outside of American culture and history.
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Post by cloud9 on Jun 13, 2017 8:30:27 GMT
She looked the same in Inquisition because by then she had an iconic look. Plus there are some black people with her skin tone, or are you saying those black people aren't black either? You may not think Isabela is black, but she is. Please don't try to educate a black person on people. I never said black people aren't black, so don't put words in my mouth. You may want to go look at the Dragon Age 2 Destiny trailer and just look at her in game, because she looks more Latina then anything. Like she knows us. What nerve.
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Post by Ianamus on Jun 14, 2017 0:35:53 GMT
Why do you have to specify "african american"? Is there something wrong with just saying black? It always annoys me when people use it in contexts where it makes no sense, like this one. Why can't they be european, canadian or, you know, just african? On topic though, I would like to see them add a female black LI to ME or Dragon Age at some point. FWIW, objectively, "black" is not a correct descriptor anyway, though "dark" would be apt. "Black" people's skin has loads of cool colors in unexpected combinations, including blues, purples and browns, etc., but not one stitch is fully "black" without B&W photography on any real person I've ever seen. "Black", also gets to "negro", which is just the Spanish word for black, but sounds similar enough to another "n" word that most whites in America wish to avoid like the plague, given our history. Lots of nasty associations and white guilt needing to be overcome here and so terms get invented that are hard to understand from outside of American culture and history. You do realize the exact same thing is true for white people? Unless you think they are literally the colour of snow. Yet you seem perfectly fine talking about "white" people.
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Post by cespar on Jun 14, 2017 0:41:56 GMT
FWIW, objectively, "black" is not a correct descriptor anyway, though "dark" would be apt. "Black" people's skin has loads of cool colors in unexpected combinations, including blues, purples and browns, etc., but not one stitch is fully "black" without B&W photography on any real person I've ever seen. "Black", also gets to "negro", which is just the Spanish word for black, but sounds similar enough to another "n" word that most whites in America wish to avoid like the plague, given our history. Lots of nasty associations and white guilt needing to be overcome here and so terms get invented that are hard to understand from outside of American culture and history. You do realize the exact same thing is true for white people? Unless you think they are literally the colour of snow. Yet you seem perfectly fine talking about "white" people. Plus to add to this, I have never been or was born in Africa. So I shouldn't be referred as African-American. I am black and American.
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Jun 14, 2017 1:01:40 GMT
Sorry for jumping at you. We only know that Isabella's mother is Rivaini, but her father is unknown. She just doesn't look like a black person to me, but the lore says that Isabela is dark tan, which people in Rivain range from dark tan to ebony. I haven't heard the devs refer to her as black, but if they did, then they must not have seen any black people. I would at least say that she's half-black. But on topic, we haven't had any female romance that looks like Vivienne, Jacob, or Liam. It's okay. Thank you for apologizing. I can see where she may be half-black, her mother being black and her father something else(maybe of Antivan descent hence the Latina qualities Isabela has as well). Rivaini people could just be designed like Redguards from TES, who are quite diverse in terms of appearance. Many Redguards (particularly in Skyrim and ESO) have straight hair and relatively fair skin, for example. Same could be said of the Rivaini.
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Post by hanskey on Jun 15, 2017 16:28:55 GMT
FWIW, objectively, "black" is not a correct descriptor anyway, though "dark" would be apt. "Black" people's skin has loads of cool colors in unexpected combinations, including blues, purples and browns, etc., but not one stitch is fully "black" without B&W photography on any real person I've ever seen. "Black", also gets to "negro", which is just the Spanish word for black, but sounds similar enough to another "n" word that most whites in America wish to avoid like the plague, given our history. Lots of nasty associations and white guilt needing to be overcome here and so terms get invented that are hard to understand from outside of American culture and history. You do realize the exact same thing is true for white people? Unless you think they are literally the colour of snow. Yet you seem perfectly fine talking about "white" people. To clarify, not only am I perfectly fine talking about white people, I'm perfectly fine talking about black people in the appropriate context for those super-broad and generic terms. Of course the same is true of white people, making "white" and "black" super-lazy descriptions, having little value except as over simplified shorthand for group identification.
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Post by cloud9 on Jun 15, 2017 17:37:49 GMT
This video is for black men who are dedicated to black women.
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Post by FemShepard'sPie on Jun 16, 2017 21:15:44 GMT
Sorry for jumping at you. We only know that Isabella's mother is Rivaini, but her father is unknown. She just doesn't look like a black person to me, but the lore says that Isabela is dark tan, which people in Rivain range from dark tan to ebony. I haven't heard the devs refer to her as black, but if they did, then they must not have seen any black people. I would at least say that she's half-black. But on topic, we haven't had any female romance that looks like Vivienne, Jacob, or Liam. It's okay. Thank you for apologizing. I can see where she may be half-black, her mother being black and her father something else(maybe of Antivan descent hence the Latina qualities Isabela has as well). Some are both black and latina which she totally looks to me. If the devs said she was black, that's pretty cool. Not many leading black females in DA and ME, well in my playthroughs there are because of my protags. :-p There looks to be one in the current Dragon Age comic run but I need to read it to make sure. It definitely caught my interest.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 18, 2017 5:01:40 GMT
I don't know. Can you repeat that question?
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Post by cooldude on Jun 21, 2017 6:09:49 GMT
Human romances are boring as fuck.
How about allow us to romance an AI, Demon, a spirit, etc.
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Post by cloud9 on Jun 21, 2017 18:22:28 GMT
You do realize the exact same thing is true for white people? Unless you think they are literally the colour of snow. Yet you seem perfectly fine talking about "white" people. To clarify, not only am I perfectly fine talking about white people, I'm perfectly fine talking about black people in the appropriate context for those super-broad and generic terms. Of course the same is true of white people, making "white" and "black" super-lazy descriptions, having little value except as over simplified shorthand for group identification. Eh what can you expect from them? It doesn't matter what they say about us.
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Post by LogicGunn on Jun 21, 2017 20:18:28 GMT
I really wanted my anti-circle female mage to romance the pro-circle Vivienne...sigh.
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Post by cloud9 on Jul 5, 2017 10:34:46 GMT
Not everyone in Africa are black. So I'm guessing the same works for Rivaini. Plus, Isabela was the exact same skin tone in Inquisition, so I doubt it was just the engine. And I was able to make a black Hawke. She looked the same in Inquisition because by then she had an iconic look. Plus there are some black people with her skin tone, or are you saying those black people aren't black either? You may not think Isabela is black, but she is.
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Post by SilentK on Jul 11, 2017 18:36:20 GMT
I know, it's kind of cliche, but it's a beautiful cliche - I would love to see some Zoe Washburne like character in the future games. YES!! She is amazing
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Post by broderishawt on Aug 17, 2017 19:23:05 GMT
we need an asian man/woman also. Damn it I wanna romance an asian dude
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Post by Larry-3 on Aug 28, 2017 7:16:22 GMT
Whether a girl is a dusky ebony, a light porcelain, or somewhere in between, I would not discriminate. What matters to me is how the individual girl is. Regardless, why has BioWare not included Asian and African female romances in Mass Effect?
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Post by Walter Black on Sept 1, 2017 14:38:21 GMT
I can't speak on the Mass Effect writers since I didn't play Andromeda. However, given how SJW the Dragon Age writers have become of late, I think their issues with creating a romanceable black female have less to do with any biases against, but rather fear of appearing to. Creating believable, three dimensional characters requires various flaws to round them out, and some of them could be afraid of the inevitable backlash, no matter what direction they take. For example: -Make this new female Companion clearly Afrocentric? They are fetishizing and guilty of cultural appropriation. - Make a Rivanni, Antivan or Tevinter woman who just happens to be black? She's black in name only and idealizing assimilation. -Get a black writer to writer her? Tokenism, and letting the white writers off from having to do any research. -Make her wild and fun loving? Ditzy slut. - Make her reserved, intelligent and moral? Frigid bitch. - Make her naturally competitive, since our Companions do so much fighting anyway? Psycho bitch. - Make her completely well adjusted? Mary Sue, writer's pet, virtue signaling, and worst or all, BORING. Well what about Vivienne some say, as she was plenty flawed? Well, I never said this theory was absolute, as there exceptions to every rule. However, there was a different DA writing environment then, with different ideas on "proper" RPG heroes. Most importantly, when Viv's personality and story arc were done, early concept art showed that she was initially going to be white, and changed later. If Vivenne had been a Love Interest, I can't see it in her character to do so unless it is mandatory that everyone (and I do mean everyone) know that she wears the pants in the relationship. I wonder how many players would taken her up on that ... So in proving how progressive they are, the current DA writers have actually stifled their own progress. I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. Time will tell...
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Post by cloud9 on Sept 21, 2017 3:21:14 GMT
I can't speak on the Mass Effect writers since I didn't play Andromeda. However, given how SJW the Dragon Age writers have become of late, I think their issues with creating a romanceable black female have less to do with any biases against, but rather fear of appearing to Creating believable, three dimensional characters requires various flaws to round them out, and some of them could be afraid of the inevitable backlash, no matter what direction they take. For example: -Make this new female Companion clearly Afrocentric? They are fetishizing and guilty of cultural appropriation. - Make a Rivanni, Antivan or Tevinter woman who just happens to be black? She's black in name only and idealizing assimilation. -Get a black writer to writer her? Tokenism, and letting the white writers off from having to do any research. -Make her wild and fun loving? Ditzy slut. - Make her reserved, intelligent and moral? Frigid bitch. - Make her naturally competitive, since our Companions do so much fighting anyway? Psycho bitch. - Make her completely well adjusted? Mary Sue, writer's pet, virtue signaling, and worst or all, BORING. Well what about Vivienne some say, as she was plenty flawed? Well, I never said this theory was absolute, as there exceptions to every rule. However, there was a different DA writing environment then, with different ideas on "proper" RPG heroes. Most importantly, when Viv's personality and story arc were done, early concept art showed that she was initially going to be white, and changed later. If Vivenne had been a Love Interest, I can't see it in her character to do so unless it is mandatory that everyone (and I do mean everyone) know that she wears the pants in the relationship. I wonder how many players would taken her up on that ... So in proving how progressive they are, the current DA writers have actually stifled their own progress. I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. Time will tell... Once again ignoring the obvious is not going to make the problem go away (predictable as always), and the writers are biased when it comes to black people.
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Post by Element Zero on Sept 21, 2017 4:59:21 GMT
This video is for black men who are dedicated to black women. You can't post a vid of scantily clad women and obliquely suggest we white dudes steer clear. It just isn't going to happen. Attraction, love and the like oft aren't bound by sad social constructs. Ethnic divisions are humanity's worst invention. So much injustice and inhumanity has been and is justified by imaginary differences. Dire tangent concluded, I will gladly fill my eyes with attractive women of any ethnicity. (To be clear, I know that you're speaking of the actual content of the vid. I'm mostly teasing about the enticing thumbnail.) I can't speak on the Mass Effect writers since I didn't play Andromeda. However, given how SJW the Dragon Age writers have become of late, I think their issues with creating a romanceable black female have less to do with any biases against, but rather fear of appearing to. Creating believable, three dimensional characters requires various flaws to round them out, and some of them could be afraid of the inevitable backlash, no matter what direction they take. For example: -Make this new female Companion clearly Afrocentric? They are fetishizing and guilty of cultural appropriation. - Make a Rivanni, Antivan or Tevinter woman who just happens to be black? She's black in name only and idealizing assimilation. -Get a black writer to writer her? Tokenism, and letting the white writers off from having to do any research. -Make her wild and fun loving? Ditzy slut. - Make her reserved, intelligent and moral? Frigid bitch. - Make her naturally competitive, since our Companions do so much fighting anyway? Psycho bitch. - Make her completely well adjusted? Mary Sue, writer's pet, virtue signaling, and worst or all, BORING. Well what about Vivienne some say, as she was plenty flawed? Well, I never said this theory was absolute, as there exceptions to every rule. However, there was a different DA writing environment then, with different ideas on "proper" RPG heroes. Most importantly, when Viv's personality and story arc were done, early concept art showed that she was initially going to be white, and changed later. If Vivenne had been a Love Interest, I can't see it in her character to do so unless it is mandatory that everyone (and I do mean everyone) know that she wears the pants in the relationship. I wonder how many players would taken her up on that ... So in proving how progressive they are, the current DA writers have actually stifled their own progress. I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. Time will tell... This is overthinking it. Who cares if idiots want to complain? If they deliver a well written, well acted black woman, then any complaints would find no purchase. It really is overdue. I'd not be surprised if it happened in their next game. I'd also not be surprised if it doesn't. My wife an I often laugh that gay couples made it onto tv before black couples and ethnically mixed couples. (We notice because we're a "mixed" couple. She was the one that first pointed it out to me. Long ago, I used to be more oblivious, as most white peoples are.) I daily see commercials with gay couples; but it's a noteworthy event if a black couple or mixed couple makes an appearance. That doesn't even touch the subject of casting black talent as leads and/or major characters on tv and in film. Sigh. This world is a mess.
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Post by cloud9 on Sept 21, 2017 5:39:19 GMT
This video is for black men who are dedicated to black women. You can't post a vid of scantily clad women and obliquely suggest we white dudes steer clear. It just isn't going to happen. Attraction, love and the like oft aren't bound by sad social constructs. Ethnic divisions are humanity's worst invention. So much injustice and inhumanity has been and is justified by imaginary differences. Dire tangent concluded, I will gladly fill my eyes with attractive women of any ethnicity. (To be clear, I know that you're speaking of the actual content of the vid. I'm mostly teasing about the enticing thumbnail.) News flash: Most black women do not want or desire to be with white men anyways. Also white men are notoriously and historically known for raping black women and committed the most brutal racial crimes against black people till this day. So spare me "love conquers all" nonsense please.
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Post by Element Zero on Sept 21, 2017 6:03:04 GMT
cloud9 , I've dated a lot of black women, and none of them shared your outlook. None of them seemed to reticent to be with a white guy, either. Those crimes are a fact, past and present. They also have nothing to do with two people falling in love "sans rape and oppression". Trust me, good things also happen all the time. I don't know you and haven't lived your life. I can say, though, that your insistence that "we" (different ethnic groups) are so different is bunk. It's precisely that false thinking that created and supports the continuing injustice that has presumably led to your bitterness. "We" all want the same things in life, generally speaking. "We" are all the same species, the same race (such a stupid word), regardless of what unjust societies choose to do. The "they" thinking you seem to always espouse helps no one, least of all you. That's all I have to say on it. I won't be getting drawn into a debate about this on a game forum. I'm sure you have reasons for your feelings that seem legit; but there are a great many people, thankfully, who feel differently.
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