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Post by sinophile on Apr 22, 2017 20:51:46 GMT
Hai Guyz, So I was sitting in biology class the other day. A long time ago, scientists discovered Angler fish (like in the 1860s or something) they could only find female angler fish. About 100 years later, scientists realized that those parastic fish that attach themselves are actually the males counterparts. www.seasky.org/deep-sea/anglerfish.htmlIf the Angler fish can have such an extreme amount of sexual dimorphism, perhaps the Asari males are so different from the females, that the non-Asari races wouldn't know what they looked like.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 22, 2017 20:53:54 GMT
The asari don't have males. They have only one sex. We have animals like this on Earth, for example there are a few species of lizards that are only female and reproduce via parthenogenesis just like the asari minus the mind meld.
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Post by mofojokers on Apr 22, 2017 20:54:37 GMT
Let's not ruin them anymore than MEA did....😂
They are a sexy race of bisexual females that give mind blowing sex.😁
Why Bioware wants to ruin this is beyond me!.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 22, 2017 22:22:07 GMT
The real world has become more sensitive of gender due to a third wave of feminism and a populist leftist pull so suddenly the Asari, the all-women race, the "every nerd's dream to design" character from Mass Effect became awkward to observe from that viewpoint. Hence, we have to discuss their mono-gender's defaultation to "female".
My take: FUCK OFF. They were defined as all-female and we go with it. Everyone speaks english, we go with it. Wrist-holograms can physically hurt things, we go with it. Shut the fuck up and stop being a social justice loser (whoever wrote the pronoun dialogue). I don't get more honest than that.
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Post by Mihura on Apr 23, 2017 0:41:01 GMT
The real world has become more sensitive of gender due to a third wave of feminism and a populist leftist pull so suddenly the Asari, the all-women race, the "every nerd's dream to design" character from Mass Effect became awkward to observe from that viewpoint. Hence, we have to discuss their mono-gender's defaultation to "female". My take: FUCK OFF. They were defined as all-female and we go with it. Everyone speaks english, we go with it. Wrist-holograms can physically hurt things, we go with it. Shut the fuck up and stop being a social justice loser (whoever wrote the pronoun dialogue). I don't get more honest than that. Hummm this kind of things are old as fuck. I mean genders and their place in society/culture... etc. That is why there was some lore about it in ME. The problem is that the Asari were not created as a cool concept to redefine current human gender bias versus alien race but as a sexy race for gamers, so the gender part was never explored that much. Actually it was for the most stupid reasons, like saying FemShep cannot be a lesbian because Liara had no concept of it. Ah man the ME team was great!
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Post by danishgambit on Apr 23, 2017 1:32:47 GMT
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 23, 2017 2:08:58 GMT
The Asari have, lore-wise, never been an "all female race." They are mono-gendered. We see them as female, but that's based in our male/female gender pattern. Liara even specifies this in ME1.
From around 40 seconds into this vid.
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Post by sinophile on Apr 23, 2017 5:44:46 GMT
I dunno if I trust Liara. She was the Shadow Broker after all.
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Post by bryanky5 on Apr 23, 2017 5:49:07 GMT
I dunno if I trust Liara. She was the Shadow Broker after all. Do you trust the codex then? " An all-female race, the asari reproduce through a form of parthenogenesis. They can attune their nervous system to that of another individual of any gender, and of any species, to reproduce. This capability has led to unseemly and inaccurate rumors about asari promiscuity."
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 23, 2017 5:51:16 GMT
I dunno if I trust Liara. She was the Shadow Broker after all. Do you trust the codex then? "An all-female race, the asari reproduce through a form of parthenogenesis. They can attune their nervous system to that of another individual of any gender, and of any species, to reproduce. This capability has led to unseemly and inaccurate rumors about asari promiscuity." I have an issue with the codex, to be honest. It says "all female race" when Liara specifically mentions that "male and female don't really have any meaning for them." Either the codex is wrong, or it's written from a human perspective. They appear female to our dual-gendered world-view, but they aren't female.
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Post by bryanky5 on Apr 23, 2017 5:53:40 GMT
Do you trust the codex then? "An all-female race, the asari reproduce through a form of parthenogenesis. They can attune their nervous system to that of another individual of any gender, and of any species, to reproduce. This capability has led to unseemly and inaccurate rumors about asari promiscuity." I have an issue with the codex, to be honest. It says "all female race" when Liara specifically mentions that "male and female don't really have any meaning for them." Either the codex is wrong, or it's written from a human perspective. They appear female to our dual-gendered world-view, but they aren't female. You're correct, however Asari themselves adopt female titles. Matriarch, huntress and children are called daughters. Even among themselves they refer to each other as "She" and "her". It's also been mentioned that the Galaxy species in general view them as a female species But you are correct, gender means nothing to them.
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 23, 2017 6:08:48 GMT
I have an issue with the codex, to be honest. It says "all female race" when Liara specifically mentions that "male and female don't really have any meaning for them." Either the codex is wrong, or it's written from a human perspective. They appear female to our dual-gendered world-view, but they aren't female. You're correct, however Asari themselves adopt female titles. Matriarch, huntress and children are called daughters. Even among themselves they refer to each other as "She" and "her". It's also been mentioned that the Galaxy species in general view them as a female species But you are correct, gender means nothing to them. In a sense, you're correct. The reason I specifically bring that up, though, is that there is at least one case in ME:A where the Cultural Center liason (an asari) mentions that some asari prefer being referred to with male pronouns, others gender neutral. That's raised a huge stink among some people who think Asari are all hot blue chicks. The lore clearly states that male and female don't apply to them. It doesn't seem like a huge stretch that some Asari (who are essentially genderless) would relate more to a male role, others towards a female role, and yet others towards a neutral role. Especially given their exposure to other cultures. It's not explicitly stated in the original trilogy, but it's not explicitly denied either.
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Post by bryanky5 on Apr 23, 2017 6:24:41 GMT
You're correct, however Asari themselves adopt female titles. Matriarch, huntress and children are called daughters. Even among themselves they refer to each other as "She" and "her". It's also been mentioned that the Galaxy species in general view them as a female species But you are correct, gender means nothing to them. In a sense, you're correct. The reason I specifically bring that up, though, is that there is at least one case in ME:A where the Cultural Center liason (an asari) mentions that some asari prefer being referred to with male pronouns, others gender neutral. That's raised a huge stink among some people who think Asari are all hot blue chicks. The lore clearly states that male and female don't apply to them. It doesn't seem like a huge stretch that some Asari (who are essentially genderless) would relate more to a male role, others towards a female role, and yet others towards a neutral role. Especially given their exposure to other cultures. It's not explicitly stated in the original trilogy, but it's not explicitly denied either. You're right, I also believe that the parent who did not physically give birth is referred to as the "father". At least Liara did so but it's not mentioned if that is a cultural thing. It should also be noted that they always say "By the Goddess" not "By the Gods" So they are definitely mono-gender but to humans, I mean they couldn't be more female, breasts, feminine sounding voice and is canonically the most "beautiful" species. Bioware hasn't made this simple have they
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Post by sinophile on Apr 23, 2017 6:25:34 GMT
They have breasts, hourglass bodies, nipples, presumably vaginas, high pitched voices, short torsos, long legs. Aside from the head fins, they look exactly like human females.
And who wrote the lore? I am guessing you are citing Bill O'Reilly's book which he used to justify his sexual harassment of Liara when she was an intern At Fox News.
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Post by bryanky5 on Apr 23, 2017 6:27:06 GMT
They have breasts, hourglass bodies, nipples, presumably vaginas, high pitched voices, short torsos, long legs. Aside from the head fins, they look exactly like human females. And who wrote the lore? I am guessing you are citing Bill O'Reilly's book which he used to justify his sexual harassment of Liara when she was an intern At Fox News. Liara clearly says that, she's the lore. As with my previous post. To HUMANS, us, they are very female, yes. But to THEMSELVES, being female means nothing. You cannot look at it from a human perspective.
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 23, 2017 6:35:47 GMT
In a sense, you're correct. The reason I specifically bring that up, though, is that there is at least one case in ME:A where the Cultural Center liason (an asari) mentions that some asari prefer being referred to with male pronouns, others gender neutral. That's raised a huge stink among some people who think Asari are all hot blue chicks. The lore clearly states that male and female don't apply to them. It doesn't seem like a huge stretch that some Asari (who are essentially genderless) would relate more to a male role, others towards a female role, and yet others towards a neutral role. Especially given their exposure to other cultures. It's not explicitly stated in the original trilogy, but it's not explicitly denied either. You're right, I also believe that the parent who did not physically give birth is referred to as the "father". At least Liara did so but it's not mentioned if that is a cultural thing. It should also be noted that they always say "By the Goddess" not "By the Gods" So they are definitely mono-gender but to humans, I mean they couldn't be more female, breasts, feminine sounding voice and is canonically the most "beautiful" species. Bioware hasn't made this simple have they Physically, yes. They give live birth, so there's a need for a birth canal, and breasts for feeding their infants. This isn't explicitly stated either, but it's a fairly understandable leap of logic. This gives them traits that, as humans, identify as female. The phrasing and connotation of their words is troublesome, though. I would say that it's explained by the universal translator we have during the series. Since humans see Asari as female, words in their language that are likely gender neutral are expressed with feminine connotations in our language. That's definitely a head-canon, thing, though. Asari who've learned human language also kinda need to express themselves, and since most people view them as female, it would make sense for them to use the feminine human words. Especially as, in English anyways, there's no real gender neutral expression for "God." Again, nothing to support this, but that's how I've thought of it since ME1, so... It doesn't mean, though, that there aren't Asari who view things from what we would call a male role. Liara's "father" on the Citadel in ME3 (I'm blanking on her name, my apologies) doesn't specify whether she identifies as male/female/neutral, but she definitely has masculine traits in her dialogue. Rougher sounding voice, the choice of phrases, etc. It's just not a case of "Asari are female! Why is ME:A retconning them! SJW bullshit!" that I've seen too often.
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Post by kheld on Apr 23, 2017 6:39:37 GMT
Let's not ruin them anymore than MEA did....😂 They are a sexy race of bisexual females that give mind blowing sex.😁 Why Bioware wants to ruin this is beyond me!. Turning tall, beautiful, sexy girls into short, fat, ugly, moon faced clones takes special skills.
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Post by bryanky5 on Apr 23, 2017 6:43:52 GMT
You're right, I also believe that the parent who did not physically give birth is referred to as the "father". At least Liara did so but it's not mentioned if that is a cultural thing. It should also be noted that they always say "By the Goddess" not "By the Gods" So they are definitely mono-gender but to humans, I mean they couldn't be more female, breasts, feminine sounding voice and is canonically the most "beautiful" species. Bioware hasn't made this simple have they Physically, yes. They give live birth, so there's a need for a birth canal, and breasts for feeding their infants. This isn't explicitly stated either, but it's a fairly understandable leap of logic. This gives them traits that, as humans, identify as female. The phrasing and connotation of their words is troublesome, though. I would say that it's explained by the universal translator we have during the series. Since humans see Asari as female, words in their language that are likely gender neutral are expressed with feminine connotations in our language. That's definitely a head-canon, thing, though. Asari who've learned human language also kinda need to express themselves, and since most people view them as female, it would make sense for them to use the feminine human words. Especially as, in English anyways, there's no real gender neutral expression for "God." Again, nothing to support this, but that's how I've thought of it since ME1, so... It doesn't mean, though, that there aren't Asari who view things from what we would call a male role. Liara's "father" on the Citadel in ME3 (I'm blanking on her name, my apologies) doesn't specify whether she identifies as male/female/neutral, but she definitely has masculine traits in her dialogue. Rougher sounding voice, the choice of phrases, etc. It's just not a case of "Asari are female! Why is ME:A retconning them! SJW bullshit!" that I've seen too often. It could very well be the translator. It's unlikely Bioware will touch on this though. I've always found it funny to differentiate between Goddess and God anyway, Gods/Goddess' are supposed to be on a different plane of existence, they have no gender. But that's beside the point in this discussion.
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 23, 2017 6:49:50 GMT
Physically, yes. They give live birth, so there's a need for a birth canal, and breasts for feeding their infants. This isn't explicitly stated either, but it's a fairly understandable leap of logic. This gives them traits that, as humans, identify as female. The phrasing and connotation of their words is troublesome, though. I would say that it's explained by the universal translator we have during the series. Since humans see Asari as female, words in their language that are likely gender neutral are expressed with feminine connotations in our language. That's definitely a head-canon, thing, though. Asari who've learned human language also kinda need to express themselves, and since most people view them as female, it would make sense for them to use the feminine human words. Especially as, in English anyways, there's no real gender neutral expression for "God." Again, nothing to support this, but that's how I've thought of it since ME1, so... It doesn't mean, though, that there aren't Asari who view things from what we would call a male role. Liara's "father" on the Citadel in ME3 (I'm blanking on her name, my apologies) doesn't specify whether she identifies as male/female/neutral, but she definitely has masculine traits in her dialogue. Rougher sounding voice, the choice of phrases, etc. It's just not a case of "Asari are female! Why is ME:A retconning them! SJW bullshit!" that I've seen too often. It could very well be the translator. It's unlikely Bioware will touch on this though. I've always found it funny to differentiate between Goddess and God anyway, Gods/Goddess' are supposed to be on a different plane of existence, they have no gender. But that's beside the point in this discussion. Yeah, I doubt that one will be fully explained in any way. It's not really needed either, in my opinion. I have a working explanation, and without anything to directly contradict it, it's a plausible enough explanation that Imma gonna roll with it. As to your second point, I kinda sorta agree, but if you look at the ancient Egyptian, Celtic, Greek and Roman pantheons (to be fair, the Roman pantheon was basically the Greek one with changed names ) they had male and female deities. There have definitely been gender roles assigned to deities in the past, which explains the lack of a gender-neutral term for a deity, at least in the English language.
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Post by smellycatbutts on Apr 23, 2017 7:46:12 GMT
The Asari have, lore-wise, never been an "all female race." They are mono-gendered. We see them as female, but that's based in our male/female gender pattern. Liara even specifies this in ME1. From around 40 seconds into this vid. Asari are bullshitting themselves. They've got big bobbling boobies, and I assume a uterus = female, as far as most people are concerned.
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 23, 2017 7:49:59 GMT
The Asari have, lore-wise, never been an "all female race." They are mono-gendered. We see them as female, but that's based in our male/female gender pattern. Liara even specifies this in ME1. From around 40 seconds into this vid. Asari are bullshitting themselves. They've got big bobbling boobies, and I assume a uterus = female, as far as most people are concerned. You know, unless you're a species without males. Like the Asari. So yeah, I think the Asari have a better grasp of who they are than a non-Asari does. And yes, I realize the absurdity of assigning motives to fictional pixels.
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Post by sageoflife on Apr 23, 2017 7:52:22 GMT
The only reason there was ever a debate about whether or not asari count as female is because Bioware needed an excuse for the old Girl-on-Girl is hot, Guy-on-Guy is not double standard. The asari are female. Get over it.
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 23, 2017 7:55:42 GMT
The only reason there was ever a debate about whether or not asari count as female is because Bioware needed an excuse for the old Girl-on-Girl is hot, Guy-on-Guy is not double standard. The asari are female. Get over it. Except the lore disagrees with you. But whatever. You do you.
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Post by mordivier on Apr 23, 2017 8:27:04 GMT
The only reason there was ever a debate about whether or not asari count as female is because Bioware needed an excuse for the old Girl-on-Girl is hot, Guy-on-Guy is not double standard. The asari are female. Get over it. Except the lore disagrees with you. But whatever. You do you. Yeah, apparently the lore disagrees with you more or perhaps Bioware was just trolling in anticipation of throwing real life transgender politics in game because they feel they need to represent an extreme minority.
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