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Post by Addictress on Apr 23, 2017 0:52:43 GMT
Since when can shuttles travel between star systems? 0.o Like....She travelled at least three star systems away.
In a
Shuttle.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 23, 2017 0:55:30 GMT
A broken shuttle.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Apr 23, 2017 0:59:27 GMT
Since when can shuttles travel between star systems? 0.o Like....She travelled at least three star systems away. In a Shuttle. I know...so many questions about that quest. Does everybody know how to drive shuttles? How much fuel do those things hold? She makes it seem as easy has hopping in the car and driving to the grocery store.
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Post by Addictress on Apr 23, 2017 1:03:21 GMT
Not just fuel.
It's like
The ships in Mass Effect have to have HUGE DEDICATED DRIVE CORES TO GO FTL BETWEEN STARS.
Like maybe I could believe you could take a Kodiak shuttle from Earth to Mars if you stock up real good. The Kodiak has Mass Effect drives, I know, but. Fuck. Even Pluto would seem like a stretch, if departing from the Earth.
It's basically like the huge drive cores in Mass Effect's ships aren't even necessary anymore? Because Ruth could drive between multiple star systems like she's driving to a grocery store in the dead of night with munchies?
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 23, 2017 1:24:17 GMT
Not just fuel. It's like The ships in Mass Effect have to have HUGE DEDICATED DRIVE CORES TO GO FTL BETWEEN STARS. Like maybe I could believe you could take a Kodiak shuttle from Earth to Mars if you stock up real good. The Kodiak has Mass Effect drives, I know, but. Fuck. Even Pluto would seem like a stretch, if departing from the Earth. It's basically like the huge drive cores in Mass Effect's ships aren't even necessary anymore? Because Ruth could drive between multiple star systems like she's driving to a grocery store in the dead of night with munchies? I was wondering about it last night (Why added broken shuttle) Not only did she make it but PeeBee recounts stealing shuttles to drive to Eos. And spender has been supplying the exiles with the oversized shuttle that flies out of the out of the little fort on kadara. Kalinda flies from Planet to Planet and can apparently do that faster than the tempest if PeeBees loyalty mission is to be believed.
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Post by roseofquartz on Apr 23, 2017 1:37:09 GMT
I hated that side quest. Mostly the whole 'virus that jumps between species thing'.
As Shepard said in ME2, Turians and salarians can't even eat the same food. :/
But her skipping between star systems like nothing is idiotic and ridiculous.
Killing her wasn't even a hard choice for me. One life for millions of others.
I hope her nephew was punished for making such an idiotic decision.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Apr 23, 2017 1:53:57 GMT
I hated that side quest. Mostly the whole 'virus that jumps between species thing'. As Shepard said in ME2, Turians and salarians can't even eat the same food. :/ But her skipping between star systems like nothing is idiotic and ridiculous. Killing her wasn't even a hard choice for me. One life for millions of others. I hope her nephew was punished for making such an idiotic decision. I rarely kill NPCs if I have another choice and I didn't kill her in my first game but really, letting that Angarian go, that had been exposed to her illness, isn't the right thing to do either. Esp since he was going to unleash this illness on a planet of people. So in my current game, I'm going to kill her to keep the disease from spreading and because it's such a dumb quest...it had potential to be a good quest but since they didn't put any effort into thinking it through, I'm going to put an end to it by stopping the disease from spreading.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 23, 2017 2:21:12 GMT
I hated that side quest. Mostly the whole 'virus that jumps between species thing'. As Shepard said in ME2, Turians and salarians can't even eat the same food. :/ But her skipping between star systems like nothing is idiotic and ridiculous. Killing her wasn't even a hard choice for me. One life for millions of others. I hope her nephew was punished for making such an idiotic decision. I rarely kill NPCs if I have another choice and I didn't kill her in my first game but really, letting that Angarian go, that had been exposed to her illness, isn't the right thing to do either. Esp since he was going to unleash this illness on a planet of people. So in my current game, I'm going to kill her to keep the disease from spreading and because it's such a dumb quest...it had potential to be a good quest but since they didn't put any effort into thinking it through, I'm going to put an end to it by stopping the disease from spreading. You're not actually killing her the Angara does that. You kill him afterwards. The choice is actually to kill him and stop his imperfect plan or let him go and save her.
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Post by TurianFetish on Apr 23, 2017 6:34:59 GMT
Yeah, but did you forget about the virus on Omega? It affected only the aliens of all species, both dextro and levo ones, so the concept isn't that new.
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Post by Exile Isan on Apr 23, 2017 6:45:07 GMT
Kodiak class shuttles all have FTL. I mean the one in ME3 even had a Tantalus drive core, did it not?
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Post by dazk on Apr 23, 2017 7:24:28 GMT
I hate this quest for soooooo many reasons. I re did it first time just to kill her. Decided today to do it my 2nd time even though I vowed not to and it still felt right letting her die.
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Post by Nightfury on Apr 23, 2017 8:56:05 GMT
All Kodiak shuttles are capable of limited FTL, and you have to remember, we are in a cluster of Star Systems this time around, not the entire galaxy like in the original trilogy. So it is not unreasonable that Ruth can fly around like she did. Though it is very convenient she seems to find herself in a fully fueled shuttle.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 23, 2017 16:06:55 GMT
Since when can shuttles travel between star systems? 0.o Like....She travelled at least three star systems away. In a Shuttle. So how did you get around in the milky way awaitng the installment of the reaper IFF?
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Post by Addictress on Apr 23, 2017 16:44:21 GMT
Since when can shuttles travel between star systems? 0.o Like....She travelled at least three star systems away. In a Shuttle. So how did you get around in the milky way awaitng the installment of the reaper IFF? What?
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Post by indrexu on Apr 23, 2017 17:03:30 GMT
So how did you get around in the milky way awaitng the installment of the reaper IFF? What? In ME2, the team gets into a Kodiak for a mission while the Normandy is immobilized installing the Reaper IFF. The Kodiak departs using FTL and is not present when the Collectors attack. Also, at the beginning of ME2, Miranda, Shepard, and Jacob travel from the Lazarus Project to Cronos Station, then from Cronos Station to Freedom's Progress, and then back to Cronos Station, all using a Kodiak. The point is that shuttles having significant mobility and the ability to use FTL is already baked into the games' lore. For what it's worth, "Contagion" isn't the only instance of ME:A using shuttles for interstellar travel, too. Peebee traveled back and forth between Eos and the Nexus with stolen Kodiaks. It's heavily hinted that shuttles are the workhorses of the Nexus fleet; almost all crashed Nexus vessels seen in the game are Kodiaks or similar, as are the vessels landing at and departing from the various colonies that the Pathfinder sets up.
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Post by Addictress on Apr 23, 2017 17:12:37 GMT
In ME2, the team gets into a Kodiak for a mission while the Normandy is immobilized installing the Reaper IFF. The Kodiak departs using FTL and is not present when the Collectors attack. Also, at the beginning of ME2, Miranda, Shepard, and Jacob travel from the Lazarus Project to Cronos Station, then from Cronos Station to Freedom's Progress, and then back to Cronos Station, all using a Kodiak. The point is that shuttles having significant mobility and the ability to use FTL is already baked into the games' lore. For what it's worth, "Contagion" isn't the only instance of ME:A using shuttles for interstellar travel, too. Peebee traveled back and forth between Eos and the Nexus with stolen Kodiaks. It's heavily hinted that shuttles are the workhorses of the Nexus fleet; almost all crashed Nexus vessels seen in the game are Kodiaks or similar, as are the vessels landing at and departing from the various colonies that the Pathfinder sets up. I thought the Lazarus Project and Cronos Station would've been within the same star system, and if not, they didn't show the shuttle travelling 100% of the way between those two points. I assumed they transferred to a ship in between if need be. When the ship is disabled during the reaper IFF, I thought the game assumed that the ship is parked relatively close to your mission destination - within the same star system. I know you select the mission from wherever, but the implication is that at the time EDI announces the shuttle just be taken, the Normandy had moved closer to whatever mission area you'd chosen.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 23, 2017 17:18:01 GMT
In ME2, the team gets into a Kodiak for a mission while the Normandy is immobilized installing the Reaper IFF. The Kodiak departs using FTL and is not present when the Collectors attack. Also, at the beginning of ME2, Miranda, Shepard, and Jacob travel from the Lazarus Project to Cronos Station, then from Cronos Station to Freedom's Progress, and then back to Cronos Station, all using a Kodiak. The point is that shuttles having significant mobility and the ability to use FTL is already baked into the games' lore. For what it's worth, "Contagion" isn't the only instance of ME:A using shuttles for interstellar travel, too. Peebee traveled back and forth between Eos and the Nexus with stolen Kodiaks. It's heavily hinted that shuttles are the workhorses of the Nexus fleet; almost all crashed Nexus vessels seen in the game are Kodiaks or similar, as are the vessels landing at and departing from the various colonies that the Pathfinder sets up. I thought the Lazarus Project and Cronos Station would've been within the same star system, and if not, they didn't show the shuttle travelling 100% of the way between those two points. I assumed they transferred to a ship in between if need be. When the ship is disabled during the reaper IFF, I thought the game assumed that the ship is parked relatively close to your mission destination - within the same star system. I know you select the mission from wherever, but the implication is that at the time EDI announces the shuttle just be taken, the Normandy had moved closer to whatever mission area you'd chosen. Depending on when you install the IFF you may have to do more than one mission.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 23, 2017 17:19:56 GMT
I hated that side quest. Mostly the whole 'virus that jumps between species thing'. Viruses can jump between species now why wouldn't they be able to in the future?
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Post by indrexu on Apr 23, 2017 17:35:26 GMT
I thought the Lazarus Project and Cronos Station would've been within the same star system, and if not, they didn't show the shuttle travelling 100% of the way between those two points. I assumed they transferred to a ship in between if need be. When the ship is disabled during the reaper IFF, I thought the game assumed that the ship is parked relatively close to your mission destination - within the same star system. I know you select the mission from wherever, but the implication is that at the time EDI announces the shuttle just be taken, the Normandy had moved closer to whatever mission area you'd chosen. The cutscene of the Kodiak leaving the Lazarus Project clearly shows the Kodiak entering FTL as it departs, and no ship transfer is mentioned or would even, necessarily, make sense. You only need to insert a ship transfer if you start from the belief that the Kodiak can't travel between star systems. This belief is totally unsubstantiated from the games' existing lore. That doesn't, obviously, mean that the Kodiak would be capable of traveling from Rannoch to Palaven, but shorter distances, as depicted in the Heleus Cluster, seem reasonable.
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Post by Addictress on Apr 23, 2017 17:38:38 GMT
I thought the Lazarus Project and Cronos Station would've been within the same star system, and if not, they didn't show the shuttle travelling 100% of the way between those two points. I assumed they transferred to a ship in between if need be. When the ship is disabled during the reaper IFF, I thought the game assumed that the ship is parked relatively close to your mission destination - within the same star system. I know you select the mission from wherever, but the implication is that at the time EDI announces the shuttle just be taken, the Normandy had moved closer to whatever mission area you'd chosen. The cutscene of the Kodiak leaving the Lazarus Project clearly shows the Kodiak entering FTL as it departs, and no ship transfer is mentioned or would even, necessarily, make sense. You only need to insert a ship transfer if you start from the belief that the Kodiak can't travel between star systems. This belief is totally unsubstantiated from the games' existing lore. That doesn't, obviously, mean that the Kodiak would be capable of traveling from Rannoch to Palaven, but shorter distances, as depicted in the Heleus Cluster, seem reasonable. I just think it's ridiculous. It takes light 4 years to travel from our closest star. I would imagine the higher FTL speeds (many times the speed of light) would require a Tantalus core. I saw the Kodiak zip off but you'd need to go faster than the speed of sound at least just to travel from our inner solar system to Jupiter. Watching it zip off, "looking like FTL" could just be regular FTL (1Xlightspeed)
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Post by NUM13ER on Apr 23, 2017 17:46:09 GMT
Since when can shuttles travel between star systems? 0.o Like....She travelled at least three star systems away. In a Shuttle. It's awfully lucky that there was no real security to stop her leaving with a ship, that she was a trained pilot, that she picked a shuttle that can outrun the tempest, that shuttle had star charts and she landed on the most habitable of the planets. But it seems like all that luck had a limit because once she ran out of it she ends up in the hands of xenophobic zealots who somehow find her immediately and know she carries a disease that affects all Milky Way life but not them. Wait...why do you like this mission?
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Post by Cyberfrog on Apr 23, 2017 17:56:35 GMT
I really don't like this quest, but arguably too-impressive shuttles is not why. At least, not precisely why.
My dislikes: - Final choice between letting a terrorist run off with his weapon of mass destruction (laughing, as he finds your stupidity highly amusing), or watching a woman's head blown to pieces. Thanks guys, quality entertainment, much satisfying. - Several quests that take you star system-hopping or planet-hopping feel like they're just purposely wasting your time (very flimsy justifications for where you're going). - She takes her sweet time figuring out what's wrong with her, and then gets captured. Didn't make me feel more for her, it was just irritating. - Ridiculousness of a "med-tech" or whatever the job title was, being so absurdly irresponsible. - Unbelievable disease (Omega plague was at least engineered, this sounds like it's supposed to be 'natural'). - The feeling that BioWare thought the quest so darn good that players ought to be pressured to do it. So you get the email, but even if you don't acknowledge it, Dunn will radio you when you visit the Nexus. I can see someone arguing that of course there is 'pressure', it's an emergency. Well, typically emails are checked at receiver's convenience, not sender's, so it's a very poor way to request help with an emergency. To be fair, I probably wouldn't have appreciated a vidcon or an audio message received from Suvi either. I dislike the quest too much.
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Post by Addictress on Apr 23, 2017 18:05:16 GMT
Since when can shuttles travel between star systems? 0.o Like....She travelled at least three star systems away. In a Shuttle. It's awfully lucky that there was no real security to stop her leaving with a ship, that she was a trained pilot, that she picked a shuttle that can outrun the tempest, that shuttle had star charts and she landed on the most habitable of the planets. But it seems like all that luck had a limit because once she ran out of it she ends up in the hands of xenophobic zealots who somehow find her immediately and know she carries a disease that affects all Milky Way life but not them. Wait...why do you like this mission?That does sound immensely dumb. I liked scanning and searching for her on the Nexus and the interactions
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Post by Addictress on Apr 23, 2017 18:09:29 GMT
Kodiak class shuttles all have FTL. I mean the one in ME3 even had a Tantalus drive core, did it not? Where did they say that? I thought the Tantalus core was the huge globe thing in the engine room. Doesn't seem like it'd fit.
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Post by Addictress on Apr 23, 2017 18:17:11 GMT
I'm willing to believe all Kodiak shuttles have star charts in them. Or some kind of helpful systems that tell you whether you're next to identifiable planets.
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