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Post by rasande on Apr 23, 2017 18:24:06 GMT
Aside from the whole can a shuttle travel between star systems thing, why the fuck did we have to follow it through several? What possible purpose did this actually serve the quest? How did it make it more engaging and fun? It just dragged it out for no reason. It's like the come up with a "hard" choice the player will have to do, come up empty when they need to fill in the blanks and just go Same thing with the evidence quest where they just completely forget that attempted murder is a thing or the sabotage quest on the Nexus where you bounce around like a Jo-Jo, scold some guy and then he just walks away.I enjoyed the quest somewhat and there are some gems in the game, but i'm seriously getting a "procrastinating student filling out their essay the day before the deadline" vibe from a lot of them. Makes you wonder what happened during development.
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Post by Exile Isan on Apr 23, 2017 18:58:46 GMT
Where did they say that? I thought the Tantalus core was the huge globe thing in the engine room. Doesn't seem like it'd fit. Um, Steve Cortez? He tells you it has the same stealth capabilities that the Normandy has, and since that's powered by the Tantalus drive core logic says that it has one. It is probably a much smaller version though as the shuttle would not put out as much heat and emissions, nor generally need to travel as far as a ship the size of the SR1 or the SR2 does.
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Post by Addictress on Apr 23, 2017 19:07:19 GMT
Where did they say that? I thought the Tantalus core was the huge globe thing in the engine room. Doesn't seem like it'd fit. Um, Steve Cortez? He tells you it has the same stealth capabilities that the Normandy has, and since that's powered by the Tantalus drive core logic says that it has one. It is probably a much smaller version though as the shuttle would not put out as much heat and emissions, nor general need to travel as far as a ship the size of the SR1 or the SR2 does. Fine, then my understanding of what a Tantalus core is is incorrect. I thought it would be the key to multiple-times-light speed travel, not "limited FTL" as a DROP SHUTTLE would likely only have.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Apr 23, 2017 19:08:16 GMT
You want to hear something stupid about this quest? How about the final choice? Let the Roekaar leave with a bioweapon (albeit SAM says it's unlikely to work), or let someone get their brains painted on the walls. Meanwhile, the obvious solution is to "let the Roekaar go", and just shoot or restrain him once he starts physically running away and is no longer in a position to threaten the hostage. Bam, done. It's not like he can teleport. Wait til he's outside the room and take him down. These choices really bug me because a lot of the time, they're forced, omitting an obvious solution (like convicting Nilken of attempted murder) in favour of giving you morally-grey choices . Oh well. I just save her based on SAM's info that the bioweapon is probably useless and headcanon that I go after the Roekaar right after.
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Post by Addictress on Apr 23, 2017 19:10:14 GMT
Also it is dumb she was able to pilot the shuttle so well. Only professionally trained pilots should be able to handle them!!!!
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Post by Exile Isan on Apr 23, 2017 19:16:21 GMT
Also it is dumb she was able to pilot the shuttle so well. Only professionally trained pilots should be able to handle them!!!! Do we know what Ruth did for a living before coming to Andromeda? Maybe she was a professionally trained pilot!
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Post by roseofquartz on Apr 23, 2017 20:35:29 GMT
Yeah, but did you forget about the virus on Omega? It affected only the aliens of all species, both dextro and levo ones, so the concept isn't that new. That was a constructed virus though. Biological weapon technically.
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Post by roseofquartz on Apr 23, 2017 20:39:41 GMT
I hated that side quest. Mostly the whole 'virus that jumps between species thing'. Viruses can jump between species now why wouldn't they be able to in the future? Jumping between, say, a human and an asari to a krogan or, let's say, a Turian, though? Give me some suspension of disbelief here. Asari and humans? Sure we might have similar biology, but then you have krogan with multiple organs and redundant nervous systems and Turians who are dextro based DNA
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 23, 2017 21:55:20 GMT
Since when can shuttles travel between star systems? 0.o Like....She travelled at least three star systems away. In a Shuttle. Peebee did it. many other characters have. Remember, they have engines design to cross systems with out the need of mass relays.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 23, 2017 21:56:33 GMT
Also it is dumb she was able to pilot the shuttle so well. Only professionally trained pilots should be able to handle them!!!! What says she was not?
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Post by Garo on Apr 23, 2017 22:16:01 GMT
After the tutorial area in ME2 we travel using a shuttle to Cerberus base, so I assume it's normal.
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Post by RakiaTime on Apr 24, 2017 6:39:00 GMT
I assume shuttles were made with ease of use in mind so anyone can pilot them
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Post by riotinducer on Apr 24, 2017 6:49:04 GMT
The final choice in the quest was beyond weird. At the onset of the quest it was stated that the disease once in its active state was a deadly terminal illness with no cure. Why then am I supposed to feel bad about the roekaar shooting her? The whole reason she ended up there is because she panicked and wanted to expire as far away from anyone that could contract the disease as possible (why she went to a habitable planet for this is beyond me but the point stands). She was prepared to die, everything this quest told me stated that she would not survive. Why is it this big moral choice to save her if she's going succumb to the disease in relatively short order anyways?
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 24, 2017 6:55:24 GMT
The cutscene of the Kodiak leaving the Lazarus Project clearly shows the Kodiak entering FTL as it departs, and no ship transfer is mentioned or would even, necessarily, make sense. You only need to insert a ship transfer if you start from the belief that the Kodiak can't travel between star systems. This belief is totally unsubstantiated from the games' existing lore. That doesn't, obviously, mean that the Kodiak would be capable of traveling from Rannoch to Palaven, but shorter distances, as depicted in the Heleus Cluster, seem reasonable. I just think it's ridiculous. It takes light 4 years to travel from our closest star. I would imagine the higher FTL speeds (many times the speed of light) would require a Tantalus core. I saw the Kodiak zip off but you'd need to go faster than the speed of sound at least just to travel from our inner solar system to Jupiter. Watching it zip off, "looking like FTL" could just be regular FTL (1Xlightspeed) The Tantalus Drive Core was new in 2183, yet species have been traversing the Milky Way without it for thousands of years. We've clearly seen shuttles shuttling people at FTL speeds since ME2. I'm pretty certain that Paul Grayson traveled in his corporate shuttle in Mass Effect: Ascension, but it's been a long while. We also see both Prodromos' block and New Tuchanka using large shuttles as their "workhorse" vessels. If you're military, maybe you travel aboard an impressive military starship. If you're in commerce, maybe you use a larger freighter. Most people, though, would use shuttles. They're fast, reasonably sized, and far more affordable to build and maintain. This isn't silly. It makes a lot of sense. Ms. Bekker's ability to pilot a shuttle shouldn't be surprising, either. Many people would know how in the ME setting. Do we ever learn her profession in the Milky Way? A great number of traveling professionals would have reason to pilot shuttles. The shuttle is the least annoying part of this quest. Her selfish recklessness is the primary annoyance.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 24, 2017 7:00:56 GMT
The final choice in the quest was beyond weird. At the onset of the quest it was stated that the disease once in its active state was a deadly terminal illness with no cure. Why then am I supposed to feel bad about the roekaar shooting her? The whole reason she ended up there is because she panicked and wanted to expire as far away from anyone that could contract the disease as possible (why she went to a habitable planet for this is beyond me but the point stands). She was prepared to die, everything this quest told me stated that she would not survive. Why is it this big moral choice to save her if she's going succumb to the disease in relatively short order anyways? Agreed. She never should've been in Heleus. She dodged screening and sneaked aboard knowing she was ill. Her death was precisely "the plan" when I left Harry Carlyle's side. There's no way I'll ever save this selfish idiot.
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Post by Addictress on Apr 24, 2017 8:38:24 GMT
I just think it's ridiculous. It takes light 4 years to travel from our closest star. I would imagine the higher FTL speeds (many times the speed of light) would require a Tantalus core. I saw the Kodiak zip off but you'd need to go faster than the speed of sound at least just to travel from our inner solar system to Jupiter. Watching it zip off, "looking like FTL" could just be regular FTL (1Xlightspeed) The Tantalus Drive Core was new in 2183, yet species have been traversing the Milky Way without it for thousands of years. We've clearly seen shuttles shuttling people at FTL speeds since ME2. I'm pretty certain that Paul Grayson traveled in his corporate shuttle in Mass Effect: Ascension, but it's been a long while. We also see both Prodromos' block and New Tuchanka using large shuttles as their "workhorse" vessels. If you're military, maybe you travel aboard an impressive military starship. If you're in commerce, maybe you use a larger freighter. Most people, though, would use shuttles. They're fast, reasonably sized, and far more affordable to build and maintain. This isn't silly. It makes a lot of sense. Ms. Bekker's ability to pilot a shuttle shouldn't be surprising, either. Many people would know how in the ME setting. Do we ever learn her profession in the Milky Way? A great number of traveling professionals would have reason to pilot shuttles. The shuttle is the least annoying part of this quest. Her selfish recklessness is the primary annoyance. People noted the times when we've seen shuttles "using FTL" and I countered them with different interpretations. Steve Cortez's whole career and qualifications are piped up to indicate piloting a shuttle isn't child's play. Every time I can recall, shuttles are pictured as incredibly local craft. Within a star system? Sure.
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Post by Exile Isan on Apr 24, 2017 14:35:52 GMT
People noted the times when we've seen shuttles "using FTL" and I countered them with different interpretations. How is there different interpretations? When Miranda, Jacob, and Shepard leave Lazarus Station you very clearly see that the shuttle jumps to FTL and then see the shuttle come out of FTL when they reach the space station where Shepard talks to TIM for the first time. It looks exactly the same as when the Normandy goes to FTL. I'm sorry, but it's been established since ME2, when they were introduced, that Kodiak shuttles have FTL. Also Samara uses a shuttle to get to Lesuss in ME3 (although to be fair a ship could have dropped her off, but I doubt it). Dr. Aridana on the Nexus sent scientists to monitor the Scourge in the Eriksson system, they used a shuttle to get there. If you do the Doesn't Add Up quest it leads you to a shuttle in the Eriksson system that fled Eos when the Kett attacked site 2. And as someone mentioned before, Peebee was stealing shuttles off the Nexus and traveling to Eos to study the Remnant. So why is a shuttle having FTL a problem in just this quest? Steve was talking about piloting a shuttle that "flies like a brick" in combat, i.e. when he was being chased by Cerberus fighters on Sanctum or combat drops like the one Namakli. Your average pilot most likely wouldn't have been able to pull that off without the shuttle being shot out the sky or destroyed by harvesters, but Steve was able to because he was a extremely skilled, military trained fighter pilot before he decided to be your shuttle pilot (and he only really did that because James wrecked the other shuttle). Traveling from point A to point B the way Ruth Bekker does in this quest? Yeah, not seeing how a person with basic piloting skills couldn't do that. They usually are, that doesn't mean that don't have FTL and can't travel between several systems.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 24, 2017 16:12:19 GMT
The Tantalus Drive Core was new in 2183, yet species have been traversing the Milky Way without it for thousands of years. We've clearly seen shuttles shuttling people at FTL speeds since ME2. I'm pretty certain that Paul Grayson traveled in his corporate shuttle in Mass Effect: Ascension, but it's been a long while. We also see both Prodromos' block and New Tuchanka using large shuttles as their "workhorse" vessels. If you're military, maybe you travel aboard an impressive military starship. If you're in commerce, maybe you use a larger freighter. Most people, though, would use shuttles. They're fast, reasonably sized, and far more affordable to build and maintain. This isn't silly. It makes a lot of sense. Ms. Bekker's ability to pilot a shuttle shouldn't be surprising, either. Many people would know how in the ME setting. Do we ever learn her profession in the Milky Way? A great number of traveling professionals would have reason to pilot shuttles. The shuttle is the least annoying part of this quest. Her selfish recklessness is the primary annoyance. People noted the times when we've seen shuttles "using FTL" and I countered them with different interpretations. Steve Cortez's whole career and qualifications are piped up to indicate piloting a shuttle isn't child's play. Every time I can recall, shuttles are pictured as incredibly local craft. Within a star system? Sure. The problem is that your interpretations are directly contrary to what we actually saw. You misinterpreted the scenes. We clearly see the shuttle at Minutemen Station jump to FTL, for instance. As for Cortez, he's a fighter pilot making the most of a shuttle. He's not a shuttle specialist, but a Trident pilot. He says "I wish I had my Trident" at least a half-dozen times. Lastly, MEA takes place within a single star cluster. It's not like we're seeing them cross the galaxy. The tech on a shuttle is the same, fundamentally, as that on a frigate. The main issue is going to be the ability to carry enough supplies for a lengthy trip, along with security; not whether or not the tech doesn't work. We have numerous examples, including Ms. Bekker, that show that piloting a shuttle isn't much harder in the 2180s+ than our making a long car trip. I'm not invested in convincing you you're "wrong", so I hope this doesn't seem argumentative. I'm just pointing out the obvious evidence across several games and novels. Honestly, I think it was past time we got to see shuttles carrying the load. It makes sense that most travelers would be traveling via shuttle.
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Post by zeypher on Apr 24, 2017 19:32:31 GMT
Piloting a shuttles is easy, getting mastery of them is another thing altogether. Hell in the Cerberus news network during ME2, an article appeared about a kid who hijacked a gunship and flew around till he had to bail out cause he ran out of fuel and died in Antarctica.
Shuttles are anyways FTL capable as this is also established from me2 onwards. Besides i think all equipment in general in ME verse is driven by fly by wire systems ie you tell the computer and it does the actual flying and they are easy to learn to an adept level. Kallo tells suvi that she can be an adept at flying the Tempest in a couple/few weeks.
So shuttles are FTL and flying/driving ME equipment is not as hard as people think it is.
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Post by Addictress on Apr 28, 2017 1:33:30 GMT
People noted the times when we've seen shuttles "using FTL" and I countered them with different interpretations. Steve Cortez's whole career and qualifications are piped up to indicate piloting a shuttle isn't child's play. Every time I can recall, shuttles are pictured as incredibly local craft. Within a star system? Sure. The problem is that your interpretations are directly contrary to what we actually saw. You misinterpreted the scenes. We clearly see the shuttle at Minutemen Station jump to FTL, for instance. As for Cortez, he's a fighter pilot making the most of a shuttle. He's not a shuttle specialist, but a Trident pilot. He says "I wish I had my Trident" at least a half-dozen times. Lastly, MEA takes place within a single star cluster. It's not like we're seeing them cross the galaxy. The tech on a shuttle is the same, fundamentally, as that on a frigate. The main issue is going to be the ability to carry enough supplies for a lengthy trip, along with security; not whether or not the tech doesn't work. We have numerous examples, including Ms. Bekker, that show that piloting a shuttle isn't much harder in the 2180s+ than our making a long car trip. I'm not invested in convincing you you're "wrong", so I hope this doesn't seem argumentative. I'm just pointing out the obvious evidence across several games and novels. Honestly, I think it was past time we got to see shuttles carrying the load. It makes sense that most travelers would be traveling via shuttle. You fucking listed Ms Bekker as an example? The example with Ms Bekker is what we're talking about. What are you even doing? Her mission is an example in support of the logical consistency of itself??? I never denied a shuttle can reach "limited FTL." I've quoted "limited FTL" multiple times so it doesn't matter if we saw the shuttle go "zoom." Honestly, though, any craft that's hovering with element zero is going to have a blue trail and go "zoom," so arguably, it might not even be going into FTL but close-to-FTL or whatever. If the shuttle is jumping to 1 X the speed of light or 10X the speed of light like a frigate, how the hell would you know just be "looking at the cutscene." Are you serious? You can't get to a neighboring star system within a reasonable timeframe going only ONE TIMES the speed of light. The lore says a shuttle has "limited FTL." That could be distance OR it could be speed, or a combination of both. A quick jump, at 20X FTL and not enough fuel or engine capability to go a farther distance at that same speed is going to also contradict a midnight run to three neighboring star systems. Steve Cortez - I don't care if his main certification is in maneuvering Altlases. He's clearly trained to pilot shuttles and he's in the military, a profession among which I'd expect there to be basic shuttle training, not to mention he talks geekily about all kinds of vehicles - not just the Kodiak or whatever - he's going to be more adept than some mom. So no, I'm not misinterpreting anything.
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Post by jastall on Apr 28, 2017 2:15:57 GMT
Kodiak class shuttles all have FTL. I mean the one in ME3 even had a Tantalus drive core, did it not? Yep. Even in ME2 you travel FTL from the Lazarus station to the other Cerberus one, and to Freedom's Promise and back before you get the Normandy. As for the cross-species virus, well the game makes it a point that Angara actually aren't affected by that it, but you don't know that, there's a risk so that's why you run after her. I do agree making you travel from system to system like that got old fast. The game has too many such side-missions in general.
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Post by Eterna on Apr 28, 2017 2:50:01 GMT
The cutscene of the Kodiak leaving the Lazarus Project clearly shows the Kodiak entering FTL as it departs, and no ship transfer is mentioned or would even, necessarily, make sense. You only need to insert a ship transfer if you start from the belief that the Kodiak can't travel between star systems. This belief is totally unsubstantiated from the games' existing lore. That doesn't, obviously, mean that the Kodiak would be capable of traveling from Rannoch to Palaven, but shorter distances, as depicted in the Heleus Cluster, seem reasonable. I just think it's ridiculous. It takes light 4 years to travel from our closest star. I would imagine the higher FTL speeds (many times the speed of light) would require a Tantalus core. I saw the Kodiak zip off but you'd need to go faster than the speed of sound at least just to travel from our inner solar system to Jupiter. Watching it zip off, "looking like FTL" could just be regular FTL (1Xlightspeed) You have your answer, Shuttles using FTL has been in the game since the original trilogy. You just don't seem to like it. I get that you want to nit pick the game, but lets not be unreasonable.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 28, 2017 3:50:59 GMT
The problem is that your interpretations are directly contrary to what we actually saw. You misinterpreted the scenes. We clearly see the shuttle at Minutemen Station jump to FTL, for instance. As for Cortez, he's a fighter pilot making the most of a shuttle. He's not a shuttle specialist, but a Trident pilot. He says "I wish I had my Trident" at least a half-dozen times. Lastly, MEA takes place within a single star cluster. It's not like we're seeing them cross the galaxy. The tech on a shuttle is the same, fundamentally, as that on a frigate. The main issue is going to be the ability to carry enough supplies for a lengthy trip, along with security; not whether or not the tech doesn't work. We have numerous examples, including Ms. Bekker, that show that piloting a shuttle isn't much harder in the 2180s+ than our making a long car trip. I'm not invested in convincing you you're "wrong", so I hope this doesn't seem argumentative. I'm just pointing out the obvious evidence across several games and novels. Honestly, I think it was past time we got to see shuttles carrying the load. It makes sense that most travelers would be traveling via shuttle. You fucking listed Ms Bekker as an example? The example with Ms Bekker is what we're talking about. What are you even doing? Her mission is an example in support of the logical consistency of itself??? Of course I used Ms. Bekker as an example. She's linked to the topic at hand, and she piloted a shuttle through four star systems, at least. She's also just one of many cited examples. We can agree to disagree. You clearly have opinions that won't be swayed.
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