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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Sept 5, 2016 3:04:22 GMT
I'm interested in opinions about this. Since we can't prove anything one way or the other, it can only be opinion, but I'm interested all the same. WARNING: Long and somewhat philosophical/existential babbling follows. Consider the dark future shown during your Inquisitor's and Dorian's time-travel jaunt in In Hushed Whispers (IHW). I think we all agree that that was a "path not taken" for the narrative. From the point of view of your Inquisitor and Dorian, that future never comes to pass. Also, to help anchor the discussion, let's consider something concrete. In the dark future, Leliana dies holding the line. As far a your Inquisitor and Dorian is concerned, Leliana does not actually die. But now consider a playthrough where you choose Champions of the Just (CotJ) instead. So clearly, the events of the dark future are still a path not taken, but in this case, it's because you chose a different branch in the narrative. All of IHW is a path not taken. My questions are: - Do you consider the events of the dark future canon or not, regardless of which choice you make?
- Is there a significant difference between the events of the dark future "never happening" and all of IHW never happening, simply because you chose CotJ instead? Is one "path not taken" significantly different from the other, and if so, how?
- Do you believe that there is a branch of the narrative where Leliana ends up dead for holding the line?
So a bit of context for my answers. First I have to recap the traditional interpretation of time-travel, then I can talk about how my interpretation differs. In the traditional interpretation, you start in Timeline A. If you don't do anything, it goes off into a dark future. But, after traveling to that future, you are now armed with this knowledge and you go "back" in Timeline A and change things, so that that dark future doesn't happen. You "undo" that branch and head down a different branch. You change the future. That interpretation is problematic and full of paradoxes, like the Grandfather Paradox ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_paradox). It's inelegant and offends my sense of an orderly universe. Instead, I prefer the many-worlds or multiverse hypothesis. When a story depicts the POV character returning to their original time/place, I interpret that as the POV character travelling to a different timeline that looks similar to the first. In other words, I assume closed time-like loops are impossible, and if it looks like a closed time-like loop, I assume it's a new timeline with a similar state to the original. Furthermore, any time-travel, forwards or backwards, is inevitably to a new timeline. For example, IHW starts in Timeline A, travels to the dark future of Timeline B, then travels to Timeline C that looks very similar to Timeline A only it's a few moments later. Now that may all sound like a lot of mumbo-jumbo for no net gain in understanding over the traditional interpretation, since as far as your Inquisitor is concerned there is no difference between returning to a changed Timeline A or a new Timeline C. But there is an important difference. In my interpretation, Timeline B still exists! Nothing was undone. That dark future co-exists with the brighter future of Timeline C and whatever happens with Timeline A. Timeline B still "exists" in the same way that any path not taken (like if you choose CotJ instead of IHW) still exists, considering all possible playthroughs. QED, I consider any path not taken in the narrative as an alternative timeline. It behaves exactly the same way for all intents and purposes, so why not just treat it that way? It certainly makes it easier to talk about whether things like the events at Therinfall Redoubt are canon if you choose IHW. Of course they are, just as the events at Redcliffe Castle are canon if you choose CotJ. They are all just parallel timelines, and when you choose a branch in the narrative, you are choosing a new timeline. With that understanding, here are my answers: - Yes it is canon, although it would need an asterisk, much in the way a dream sequence would (e.g, DAO Warden Taint-inspired dreams). It's not an experience a character would define as reality, but since it is something the player can experience in-game, I think it meets the minimum definition of canon.
- No, I don't believe there is a significant difference. When all possible playthroughs are considered, it's just another timeline.
- Yes, as a consequence of #2, like any branch in the narrative, the dark future one is just as legit as any other path not taken. Meaning there is a branch in the narrative where Leliana dies holding the line. Nothing is "undone", that timeline exists in some way.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 4:01:56 GMT
PapaCharlie9 Interesting take on time travel and the dark future. Here's a thought. If one chose the Champions of the Just path, does that mean the Venatori gained Alexius' time travel magic before they killed he and Felix? A bit crazy, but if they did, Coryface would've already won before storming Haven.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 5, 2016 4:44:53 GMT
If I read that correctly, then yes: the dark timeline from In Hushed Whispers is valid. The Inquisitor and Dorian did not really save anyone from there because they were all on their way to dying. All they could do was just prevent the same from happening to their place in time. If I were to take it further, the Mirror of Transformation hints at parallel universes being exploited. So it's not just timelines, it's also parallel dimensions that occur at the same time as we play.
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Post by thats1evildude on Sept 5, 2016 7:56:55 GMT
Since I recruited the Templars in my canon, I consider the bad future of IHW to not exist.
Also, I should note Dorian mentions the Venatori killed Alexius if you recruited the Templars, so he never completed his research.
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 5, 2016 15:43:36 GMT
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Q1 My answer is no. Simply put, the event(s) don't exist because a different path was chosen.
Q2 Both choices bring you back to square one. The rest of the game is unaffected and continues as designed.
What is interesting is if the game allowed you to fail in "a path not taken". Why? Well, the game War Table missions is based on you winning. If you fail, the game ends. And, both the DA:O game and DA:2 would be changed as well. How much I can't say. However, it can lead to a possibility that "A path not taken" never existed.
Q3 No. The only time this possibility exists is if you take the mission.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Sept 5, 2016 19:19:07 GMT
PapaCharlie9 Interesting take on time travel and the dark future. Here's a thought. If one chose the Champions of the Just path, does that mean the Venatori gained Alexius' time travel magic before they killed he and Felix? A bit crazy, but if they did, Coryface would've already won before storming Haven. I think they wrote themselves an out for that. Apparently only Alexius and Dorian know how to use time magic (well, and an idiot in the Western Approach that ends up freezing time, but be that as it may), so with one dead and the other playing for the other team, Coryphish couldn't use it to do anything.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Sept 5, 2016 19:21:07 GMT
If I were to take it further, the Mirror of Transformation hints at parallel universes being exploited. So it's not just timelines, it's also parallel dimensions that occur at the same time as we play. Interesting point! I hadn't thought of that. It certainly fits the many worlds hypothesis.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 20:12:26 GMT
PapaCharlie9 Interesting take on time travel and the dark future. Here's a thought. If one chose the Champions of the Just path, does that mean the Venatori gained Alexius' time travel magic before they killed he and Felix? A bit crazy, but if they did, Coryface would've already won before storming Haven. I think they wrote themselves an out for that. Apparently only Alexius and Dorian know how to use time magic (well, and an idiot in the Western Approach that ends up freezing time, but be that as it may), so with one dead and the other playing for the other team, Coryphish couldn't use it to do anything. Fair enough. Dorian must've done something about the time magic plans before racing from Redcliffe to Haven. Again, speculation, but throwing it out there. The bit about the mirror of transformation is interesting too and yeah, it ties in with your theory.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 5, 2016 20:39:10 GMT
Too bad we can't visit each other's playthroughs to mess with Corypheus. One player handles In Hushed Whispers, the other Champions of the Just. But then, it'd be too easy and there'd be complaints about requiring multiplayer for best outcomes...thpth
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Post by Kantr on Sept 5, 2016 22:13:09 GMT
Cory also changed the future though. He went back in time to before the Inquisition visits Redcliffe and nabs the mages instead of you, negating Fiona's visit to val Royeaux however everyone still remembers it.
Does this mean that Timeline A where we get there before him still stands but he's now gone from that universe? If so how do we remember her and she slightly remembers it? It seems more like re-writing time but somehow the effects take time to propagate?
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Sept 6, 2016 0:07:30 GMT
Cory also changed the future though. He went back in time to before the Inquisition visits Redcliffe and nabs the mages instead of you, negating Fiona's visit to val Royeaux however everyone still remembers it. Does this mean that Timeline A where we get there before him still stands but he's now gone from that universe? If so how do we remember her and she slightly remembers it? It seems more like re-writing time but somehow the effects take time to propagate? Technically, I believe Alexius did that on Coryphishes behalf, but you have a killer point. How is the Fiona anomaly explained in the many worlds interpretation? The many worlds hypothesis does allow for something like Fiona v.1 disappearing from Timeline A. After all, there are infinite timelines and anything is possible. There's even one where Schmooples the Nug is the Maker. Say that Alexius moves from Timeline A v.1 to Timeline A' v.2 to nab the mages, where simultaneously there was a v.1 Fiona in existence in VR as well as a Fiona v.2 in RV (hey, those abbreviations are the reverse of each other, I just noticed that!), and then the Fiona v.1 disappears as soon as the Inquisitor leaves VR. But I find that unappealing. It's inelegant. I'd like to find a simpler explanation, but I admit I'm stumped. Short of yanking everyone who ever had any causal linkage with Fiona v.1 in VR into Timeline A' v.2, I don't see how it could be done in a way that avoids having Fiona v.1 and v.2 in the same timeline at the same time. UNLESS you accept my other crazy theory, which until Kantr pointed it out, I did not realize supports the many worlds interpretation. My other crazy theory is this: Fiona in VR wasn't another timeline-version of Fiona. It was the same version of Fiona, but possessed by Alexius using blood magic. Coryphish wanted to insure that the Inquisition was sucked into Alexius's trap, so he had Alexius use blood magic to mind-control Fiona and sent her to VR as a shill to get the Inquisition to RV to meet with Alexius. In RV, Fiona has no memory of going to VR because she was being mind-controlled. When I first played DAI, this was the explanation I came up with for why Fiona in RV denied being in VR. Tevinter Magisters, Venatori and such, all use blood magic, and Dorian makes a big deal about how blood magic can be used for all sorts of nasty things, including possession and mind control. Turns out that had more to do with Erimond and the Grey Wardens, but why not Fiona too? It wasn't until later that I read the fandom consensus explanation (or was this confirmed by a writer as canon? I dunno) that Fiona in VR was a different time-version from Fiona in RV. Personally, I thought my explanation was a better fit for the facts and a better story, in that it paints the Venatori as even more evil than we thought, but it didn't occur to me that using the blood magic mind-control theory neatly avoids the whole Fiona anomaly with many worlds.
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Post by melbella on Sept 6, 2016 0:27:03 GMT
The problem with the "they used blood magic on Fiona before she goes to VR" theory is that she is the one who appears to be acting normally and therefore not under someone else's control. Meanwhile, the one we meet later in Redcliffe appears to be very confused about a lot of things. Perhaps the Venatori found out what she did, then used blood magic on her after the fact so she forgot she went to VR in the first place, and planted the "went along with the cockamamey story of impending Templar doom" idea in her head to boot?
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Post by thats1evildude on Sept 6, 2016 0:32:50 GMT
The problem with the idea that Fiona was controlled by blood magic is that if the Venatori were capable of doing so, they wouldn't have needed to use dangerous time magic to arrive ahead of the Inquisition in Redcliffe and then offer Fiona a deal. She likely is too powerful a mage to be influenced by blood magic.
As I've said elsewhere, the effects of Alexius' time magic was localized to Redcliffe. Thus, Fiona DID travel to Val Royeaux. But then Alexius cast his spell, probably at the time of Fiona's return, and altered the timeline in Redcliffe. This is only possible because of the Breach, which is breaking down reality as we know it.
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Post by melbella on Sept 6, 2016 0:46:03 GMT
Alexius brought a lot of Venatori with him to Redcliffe. Could he really create a time-wormhole big enough for all of them to get sucked into? If not, how did so many get to Redcliffe so quickly the old fashioned way? It's not like they would have known ahead of time that the Breach was going to happen. Unless they came with Cory in the first place for his big ritual? But really, with those crazy outfits they wear, how could anyone with half a brain not know they weren't locals?
Ugh...the whole thing makes my head hurt trying to explain it.
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Post by thats1evildude on Sept 6, 2016 4:02:32 GMT
Yes, the Venatori had infiltrated the south even before the Conclave, likely by moving in small groups and in disguise. We know that from the Exalted Plains, at least one of them posed as an Orlesian solider and helped create the Freemen of the Dales.
Remember, the occularum are all set up long before the attack on Haven, and they've already occupied the Western Approach and Hissing Wastes by the time you get to Skyhold.
The Envy demon had also replaced Lucius Corin before the Conclave. At least some Templars must have become Red Templars, because people were going missing in Emprise du Lion even before the attack on Haven.
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Post by Kantr on Sept 6, 2016 9:18:53 GMT
What we do know is that time magic is confusing and has different effects. Travelling into the future and back to the present creates a new time line. However the question still remains whether our time travel took us into already existing World B in which we had been taken out. Thus what happens to our past selves? Have they been sent into future of world B which is all good because we turned up into world B. Did we merge with them?
Or perhaps our past selves will also be sent into the DarkFuture in World A - Timeline 1 while we head back into world A - Timeline 1 but at the moment of our arrival back into World A it becomes Timeline 2? This gets rid of the bad future which Timeline 1 which our absence created but it still has to exist for us to be sent back to the past to change it.
TL:DR time travel is confusing and inconsistent vs how it affected Fiona and Us.
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Post by thats1evildude on Sept 6, 2016 17:02:59 GMT
Your past selves were removed from the timeline when Alexius threw you into the future. Hence the reason everyone thought you were dead.
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Post by patches on Sept 6, 2016 18:07:48 GMT
Cory wanted Alexius to remove the Inquisitor from the timeline completely so they were never at the Temple of Sacred Ashes to steal the Anchor. At Redcliffe he cast the spell but all it does is shove Ink along the timeline so everyone thinks Dorian and the Inquisitor are dead but they do exist. From reading his journal we know that Alexius was never able to do what Cory wanted. The demon army was there to kill Alexius and his Venitori for failing, that the Inquisitor landed there in that point in time so they could retrieve the timey wimey necklace right before it was potentially destroyed is coincidence/fate.
Because Fiona was in VR I think we have to assume that Alexius going back in time happened after she met with the Inquisition and invited them to Redcliffe. I wonder if in the original timeline the Inquisition was able to recruit both the mages and templars which is why Cory took such a risk with time travel.
I'm going with the multi verse theory myself, each major decision creates a new timeline, an alternate world.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Sept 6, 2016 21:04:17 GMT
Cory wanted Alexius to remove the Inquisitor from the timeline completely so they were never at the Temple of Sacred Ashes to steal the Anchor. At Redcliffe he cast the spell but all it does is shove Ink along the timeline so everyone thinks Dorian and the Inquisitor are dead but they do exist. From reading his journal we know that Alexius was never able to do what Cory wanted. The demon army was there to kill Alexius and his Venitori for failing, that the Inquisitor landed there in that point in time so they could retrieve the timey wimey necklace right before it was potentially destroyed is coincidence/fate. Because Fiona was in VR I think we have to assume that Alexius going back in time happened after she met with the Inquisition and invited them to Redcliffe. I wonder if in the original timeline the Inquisition was able to recruit both the mages and templars which is why Cory took such a risk with time travel. I'm going with the multi verse theory myself, each major decision creates a new timeline, an alternate world. I missed reading Alexius's journal somehow -- so many Codex entries! That does explain a lot. That solves part of the problem, but we need thats1evildude assumption that the change in timeline is somehow localized to Redcliffe for this to work as a complete explanation. Otherwise, why would the Inquisitor remember Fiona in VR? In Timeline A', she wouldn't go to VR. As was pointed out, the area around Redcliffe is pretty wonky, with all kinds of both Fade rifts and time rifts floating around. That supports the assumption that history near Redcliffe may not match history from everywhere else. This means that the Inquisitor and anyone who witnessed Fiona in VR crosses some kind of boundary between Timeline A and Timeline A' when they enter Redcliffe. We can further assume that within A', the area affected gradually expands over time, much as the Breach expands, to encompass the whole universe. Technically, this bends the rules of the many worlds interpretation, since it's supposed to be the entire universe contained in a timeline, not just a small area, but I have to say that this is a more appealing explanation than anything I've come up with. So let's go with it!
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Post by Kantr on Sept 6, 2016 21:27:33 GMT
Or somehow the anchor keeps you isolated from timeline changes? Allowing you to remember the old version?
- - - - - - - - - - - I wonder what Bioware intended with the scene?
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Sept 6, 2016 22:17:42 GMT
Or somehow the anchor keeps you isolated from timeline changes? Allowing you to remember the old version? - - - - - - - - - - - I wonder what Bioware intended with the scene? What about the rest of the party? If the Inquisitor had 3 companions along in VR, they also heard Fiona say stuff she later denies. Unless you are saying the Anchor has an area of effect?
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Post by patches on Sept 6, 2016 23:52:14 GMT
Or somehow the anchor keeps you isolated from timeline changes? Allowing you to remember the old version? - - - - - - - - - - - I wonder what Bioware intended with the scene? What about the rest of the party? If the Inquisitor had 3 companions along in VR, they also heard Fiona say stuff she later denies. Unless you are saying the Anchor has an area of effect? It does let us drag other people safely into and out of the Fade...
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Post by melbella on Sept 7, 2016 1:32:59 GMT
Yes! The AoE would also explain how Quizzy and team can run around the Still Ruins and not get stuck in the ancient time spell. But, it doesn't explain how the current-Age Venatori also don't get stuck. I mean, the Fade Rift, which is a recent thing, is frozen in time. So why isn't everyone else who came along in the here and now also frozen?
(Note: I really don't care since I love the Still Ruins to itty bitty pieces, but trying to figure out how it works gives me a headache )
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Post by thats1evildude on Sept 7, 2016 7:41:22 GMT
The ancient Tevinter researchers at the Still Ruins opened the Fade Rift in a bid to harness unlimited magical energy. However, their calculations were way off and the demons you see around the facility were unleashed. Luckily, one mage rebelled against the others and altered the experiment, creating the time dilation field.
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Post by Kantr on Sept 7, 2016 8:52:53 GMT
Yes! The AoE would also explain how Quizzy and team can run around the Still Ruins and not get stuck in the ancient time spell. But, it doesn't explain how the current-Age Venatori also don't get stuck. I mean, the Fade Rift, which is a recent thing, is frozen in time. So why isn't everyone else who came along in the here and now also frozen?
(Note: I really don't care since I love the Still Ruins to itty bitty pieces, but trying to figure out how it works gives me a headache ) The fade rip is an old one one, it's why the time stop was initiated in the first place as a fail safe. They were messing around and created the rift. That's why the Venatori could move about as the spell froze the progression of time for everyone caught within the radius. Thus the anchor had no effect on that. Incidentally, I wonder what Cole sees of us after the Anchor has been removed from you (if he still can).
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