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Post by DragonRacer on Apr 24, 2017 18:51:44 GMT
Well, I do have to say that a call for stricter moderation of the forum wasn't quite something I ever anticipated seeing here - especially considering how much people hated the BioMods locking and banning almost everything over on the old forum.
I'm back at work now, so I can't really comment more. But I suppose it's a conversation I could bring up with the other moderators. As it stands, I had felt more leniency in the MP forum was desired. Especially since we do not receive very many reports from this sector. Thus, it seemed like the majority was fine with having some level of banter and spam.
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Post by Ghostknife72 on Apr 24, 2017 18:56:05 GMT
I can't believe I am about to be permabanned on this forum. It's inevitable really.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 18:57:17 GMT
Well, I do have to say that a call for stricter moderation of the forum wasn't quite something I ever anticipated seeing here - especially considering how much people hated the BioMods locking and banning almost everything over on the old forum. I'm back at work now, so I can't really comment more. But I suppose it's a conversation I could bring up with the other moderators. As it stands, I had felt more leniency in the MP forum was desired. Especially since we do not receive very many reports from this sector. Thus, it seemed like the majority was fine with having some level of banter and spam. I don't want stricter by any means.
I just want fair. If these threads stay open then surely other ones that have no meaning should as well. I can understand not wanting to picture a dog in a wood chipper for some people. But the point was that I hate the dogs in the game so much that they have driven me to those lengths.
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Post by DragonRacer on Apr 24, 2017 19:12:59 GMT
Well, I do have to say that a call for stricter moderation of the forum wasn't quite something I ever anticipated seeing here - especially considering how much people hated the BioMods locking and banning almost everything over on the old forum. I'm back at work now, so I can't really comment more. But I suppose it's a conversation I could bring up with the other moderators. As it stands, I had felt more leniency in the MP forum was desired. Especially since we do not receive very many reports from this sector. Thus, it seemed like the majority was fine with having some level of banter and spam. I don't want stricter by any means.
I just want fair. If these threads stay open then surely other ones that have no meaning should as well. I can understand not wanting to picture a dog in a wood chipper for some people. But the point was that I hate the dogs in the game so much that they have driven me to those lengths.
My post was more spurred by Penguin's post. So, I'm gonna start over again: Our fastest response is to reported posts. Yours was reported and was textually graphic, so it got locked. Amazingly enough, nobody has reported any of VegasFlash's threads until this one regarding the spoilers and one other thread (when a very racist post was put up - that post was removed and since the entire thread had derailed into a bad direction, I locked it).So, no mods have swooped in to review/possibly lock his threads for the most part because they aren't being reported. That being said, I suppose it's shame on me as I am the mod most active in this subforum, so I suppose I should start locking up the threads that devolve into food spam and more closely monitor that sort of crap. I was trying to use a light moderation hand in here, which probably isn't fair compared to moderating the rest of the forum. Your thread was locked not due to any attempt at bias... it was reported, so a moderator reviewed it and acted accordingly. As would have been the case in many other unreported examples (had they been reported) as have been brought up in this thread. I'll try to do better.
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Post by penguinfetish on Apr 24, 2017 19:14:48 GMT
Well, I do have to say that a call for stricter moderation of the forum wasn't quite something I ever anticipated seeing here - especially considering how much people hated the BioMods locking and banning almost everything over on the old forum. I'm back at work now, so I can't really comment more. But I suppose it's a conversation I could bring up with the other moderators. As it stands, I had felt more leniency in the MP forum was desired. Especially since we do not receive very many reports from this sector. Thus, it seemed like the majority was fine with having some level of banter and spam. Im not in favor of stricter moderation per say, it wouldn't be BSN without the banter and meme threads. But VegasFlash doesn't post good humored or silly threads like Nat and a lot of other people do, his entire forum presence exists to bait, antagonise and generally be an asshole to everyone. Thats not cool and as I said, nobody would complain that you are being too strict by banning that sort of user from posting. Also, im not criticizing you at all, I think you're doing a great job, always have and im glad to have you over the biomods any day. Im just voicing my opinion, thats all
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Post by DragonRacer on Apr 24, 2017 19:15:23 GMT
Also, totally agree about the dogs in this game. Rage-inducing.
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Post by Ghostknife72 on Apr 24, 2017 19:18:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 19:23:52 GMT
For me to complain about flash would be the pot calling the kettle black.
But to penguins point I don't do my threads to piss people off(well maybe some people) or to start shit and I try not to act like a douche bag. Also I don't make threads every day. Like he does.
I love stupid nonsense threads I also love the people who take the time to make meaningful threads that help the community, I think dragonracer has done a great job as a mod, I was just confused because the past week it has been nothing but memes and food pics. Again I thought those were all funny and I gave likes to a lot of posts.
The only appeal this game has to me is this community.
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Post by Pyrceval78 on Apr 24, 2017 19:29:43 GMT
For me to complain about flash would be the pot calling the kettle black. But to penguins point I don't do my threads to piss people off(well maybe some people) or to start shit and I try not to act like a douche bag. Also I don't make threads every day. Like he does. I love stupid nonsense threads I also love the people who take the time to make meaningful threads that help the community, I think dragonracer has done a great job as a mod, I was just confused because the past week it has been nothing but memes and food pics. Again I thought those were all funny and I gave likes to a lot of posts. The only appeal this game has to me is this community. Dont ever compare yourself to VegasFlash. No one else reaches his level of pathetic sad douchebeggery in the entire world. He is in the shallow end of the gene pool all by himself.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 19:30:56 GMT
For me to complain about flash would be the pot calling the kettle black. But to penguins point I don't do my threads to piss people off(well maybe some people) or to start shit and I try not to act like a douche bag. Also I don't make threads every day. Like he does. I love stupid nonsense threads I also love the people who take the time to make meaningful threads that help the community, I think dragonracer has done a great job as a mod, I was just confused because the past week it has been nothing but memes and food pics. Again I thought those were all funny and I gave likes to a lot of posts. The only appeal this game has to me is this community. Dont ever compare yourself to VegasFlash. No one else reaches his level of pathetic sad douchebeggery in the entire world. He is in the shallow end of the gene pool all by himself. He is just an alt who is trolling people.
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Post by Pyrceval78 on Apr 24, 2017 19:32:28 GMT
Dont ever compare yourself to VegasFlash. No one else reaches his level of pathetic sad douchebeggery in the entire world. He is in the shallow end of the gene pool all by himself. He is just an alt who is trolling people. Still, point stands regardless of the name.
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Post by bjorndadwarf on Apr 24, 2017 19:35:05 GMT
I don't want stricter by any means.
I just want fair. If these threads stay open then surely other ones that have no meaning should as well. I can understand not wanting to picture a dog in a wood chipper for some people. But the point was that I hate the dogs in the game so much that they have driven me to those lengths.
My post was more spurred by Penguin's post. So, I'm gonna start over again: Our fastest response is to reported posts. Yours was reported and was textually graphic, so it got locked. Amazingly enough, nobody has reported any of VegasFlash's threads until this one regarding the spoilers and one other thread (when a very racist post was put up - that post was removed and since the entire thread had derailed into a bad direction, I locked it).So, no mods have swooped in to review/possibly lock his threads for the most part because they aren't being reported. That being said, I suppose it's shame on me as I am the mod most active in this subforum, so I suppose I should start locking up the threads that devolve into food spam and more closely monitor that sort of crap. I was trying to use a light moderation hand in here, which probably isn't fair compared to moderating the rest of the forum. Your thread was locked not due to any attempt at bias... it was reported, so a moderator reviewed it and acted accordingly. As would have been the case in many other unreported examples (had they been reported) as have been brought up in this thread. I'll try to do better. FWIW, the spam and silliness of the BSN MP is part of it's attraction, but then there's a pretty hard line between a lot of the funny or dumb crap, and what Flash has been doing. As someone else noted, everyone's else's shenanigans are cheeky and fun, while Flash's are cruel and tragic. Overall I like the way you handle modding this group of misfits, they're mostly fine (mostly) and just need knocked back into line once in awhile. But when a real poisonous bad actor shows up, there are at least some people like me who would appreciate y'all taking care of it.
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Post by nucleartech76 on Apr 24, 2017 19:38:40 GMT
Well, I do have to say that a call for stricter moderation of the forum wasn't quite something I ever anticipated seeing here - especially considering how much people hated the BioMods locking and banning almost everything over on the old forum. I'm back at work now, so I can't really comment more. But I suppose it's a conversation I could bring up with the other moderators. As it stands, I had felt more leniency in the MP forum was desired. Especially since we do not receive very many reports from this sector. Thus, it seemed like the majority was fine with having some level of banter and spam. I think some spam is just going to be a reality and this group needs to vent every once in a while in an abstract, free form way that may or may not involve steak. I think most of the problems are the repeative bullshit posts by some. It's hard to moderate though because if you ban all spam, people will get upset, if you ban some spam people will get upset, if you ban none, people will get upset and the forum will be a disaster. My advice not that anyone wants or needs it would be to lock shitthreads from the beginning if they're non constructive or off topic. I would have some more patience with shitposts because they don't clutter the forum as much. Just my two cents BC you guys have a tough job to do.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 19:39:15 GMT
I don't really want anything done to flash tell you the truth. He makes trolly topics. If we ban him for that then what would stop from someone else who made a troll topic? Trolling is part of BSN.
See if you really wanted him gone, then you don't need the mods. Just stop replying to his topics. He will disappear in a matter of days.
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Post by bjorndadwarf on Apr 24, 2017 20:00:14 GMT
I don't really want anything done to flash tell you the truth. He makes trolly topics. If we ban him for that then what would stop from someone else who made a troll topic? Trolling is part of BSN. See if you really wanted him gone, then you don't need the mods. Just stop replying to his topics. He will disappear in a matter of days. This is akin to the parenting attitude of telling siblings to just ignore each other. It doesn't work. Ever. Because the attention seeking person will keep escalating to get someone to reply. The Flash-analagous troll in the original BSN that I remember going furthest down that hole only finally got banned after spamming ni***** and then calling other players Nigerians repeatedly, and given the behavior of Flash so far, I imagine we're not all that far removed from a moment like that. That thread earned me my only ever tempban on original BSN for getting into it with that guy. Which, tbf, I've never moderated an online forum. But I have helped oversee mid-sized real life groups of semi-strangers, and I have no problem banning problem children from events after they get a warning. If their behavior doesn't improve after a warning, and in fact gets worse, then you've learned everything you need to know about their behavior. It's not going to change. On a semi-related note, I'm bummed to discover that Super Troopers is no longer streaming on Netflix. I was going to put it on while working this afternoon.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 20:11:07 GMT
I understand your point. But I believe in personal freedom. Say and do whatever you want. Also I understand that this is a forum with rules that need to be followed.
But you have the option of replying. You have a choice in the matter. And we shouldn't judge people based on other peoples actions.
Take my april fools thread. I trolled a forum member on there. Should I get banned? Should someone after I get banned also get banned for making another april fools thread?
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Post by bjorndadwarf on Apr 24, 2017 20:24:34 GMT
I understand your point. But I believe in personal freedom. Say and do whatever you want. Also I understand that this is a forum with rules that need to be followed. But you have the option of replying. You have a choice in the matter. And we shouldn't judge people based on other peoples actions. Take my april fools thread. I trolled a forum member on there. Should I get banned? Should someone after I get banned also get banned for making another april fools thread? You're very worried about drawing corollaries between your own posts and Flash's. Why? If Flash ONLY trolled people, I wouldn't necessarily be arguing in favor of banning. Context and details matter as well. Flash has done it while being openly racist, while creepily harassing other members and while attempting to spoil the SP campaign for people (which, the first 2 are far worse imo, but this is a video game forum, so third one still matters). If your posts were doing all of those things, then sure, you'd deserve a ban. Because it's about more than just trolling, but the attitude and methodology behind it. But even though I don't personally like all your posts, none of them jump out at me as being in the same tier as Flash. And I'm not judging Flash based on the content or frequency of people replying to him. I'm judging him based on the content of his effort.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 20:33:32 GMT
Tell you the truth I have no idea what he says. I just know he is trolling so i learned to not even read or react to his posts.
I guess I dont like banning people for what they say is because I live in America and I whole heartedly believe in freedom of speech. Now again this is a site that has rules that should be followed but I guess I am reacting this way because of the PC culture we live in now a days.
And how everything makes you racist, homophobic, transphobic, misogynist. Ect.
But again maybe he has said things that make him those things, I wouldn't know. All I know is I dont like banning based on speech/trolling.
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Post by parthianshot on Apr 24, 2017 21:15:54 GMT
Tell you the truth I have no idea what he says. I just know he is trolling so i learned to not even read or react to his posts. I guess I dont like banning people for what they say is because I live in America and I whole heartedly believe in freedom of speech. Now again this is a site that has rules that should be followed but I guess I am reacting this way because of the PC culture we live in now a days. And how everything makes you racist, homophobic, transphobic, misogynist. Ect. But again maybe he has said things that make him those things, I wouldn't know. All I know is I dont like banning based on speech/trolling. I'm no SJW by any stretch and racist isn't a term I fling around with regularity but yeah, I used it in that one instance here and it was completely and obviously deserved.
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Post by JuggerNuggss on Apr 24, 2017 21:29:35 GMT
Tell you the truth I have no idea what he says. I just know he is trolling so i learned to not even read or react to his posts. I guess I dont like banning people for what they say is because I live in America and I whole heartedly believe in freedom of speech. Now again this is a site that has rules that should be followed but I guess I am reacting this way because of the PC culture we live in now a days. And how everything makes you racist, homophobic, transphobic, misogynist. Ect. But again maybe he has said things that make him those things, I wouldn't know. All I know is I dont like banning based on speech/trolling. @natinthehat
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Post by Pyrceval78 on Apr 24, 2017 21:30:14 GMT
Tell you the truth I have no idea what he says. I just know he is trolling so i learned to not even read or react to his posts. I guess I dont like banning people for what they say is because I live in America and I whole heartedly believe in freedom of speech. Now again this is a site that has rules that should be followed but I guess I am reacting this way because of the PC culture we live in now a days. And how everything makes you racist, homophobic, transphobic, misogynist. Ect. But again maybe he has said things that make him those things, I wouldn't know. All I know is I dont like banning based on speech/trolling. Yeah, you missed some of the stuff he said before the mods cleaned it up. I am also not one to care too much about what folks say, and am very much a libertarian at heart, but he has been pretty directly racist, mysoginistic etc to a disturbing level a few times that I have seen. Basically, hes the kind of guy that if you ran in to him in public and said those things to your sister or your friend, youd pop him right in the mouth without blinking.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 22:00:34 GMT
Then I am fine with banning him because of the forum rules. I thought people were talking about banning him for trolling alone.
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