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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 25, 2017 17:17:58 GMT
It is an old tale: People hated ME2 when it came out for not being like ME1. People hated ME3 when it came out for the endings then suddenly liked ME2. People hate ME:A because it's not like ME3 and they now suddenly like it. People hated DA2 because it wasn't like DA:O. People hated DA:I because it wasn't like DA2 and now suddenly they like it. I wouldn't be surprised if people hated ME1 and DA:O for being a Babylon 5 and a Dragonslayer rip-off respectfully. I prominence you that the same damn people will hate DA4 and ME:A2 (if they're made) will then suddenly like DA:I and ME:A. Year 2021, BioWare releases ME:A2 and everyone complains that they ditched the open world and went back to corridors. "It wasn't that bad" some say. "BioWare overcompensating again" you hear from others. Meanwhile people open a dozen threads about how big a mistake it was to let Mac Walters go. I can see it. Mac might be fine, but definitely not in a lead writer or director role for Mass Effect series. So my opinion is not to fire him but demote him to just regular writer under a proper lead writer and director.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 25, 2017 17:19:32 GMT
Serious question. Is Babylon 5 a slow show? I want to watch it since it is one of the few sci-fi shows I haven't scene, but if it is like a the Battlestar Galactica remake, I don't know if I can take the slowness. Doctor Fumbles I wouldn't say it's a slow show. There are a lot of world building episodes and major characters come and go throughout all the seasons. However, the major overarching plot that drives the show doesn't really start until midway season 2. Season 3 is when the plot and action really starts to get going and the viewing time is worth the investment. It's a show from the mid 1990's so the FX aren't going to be stellar according to today's standards. However, the character development and growth is second to none. Ok. The graphics won't bug me since I still enjoy Andromeda. I just didn't want it to be a slow drama like BSG/SGU.
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 25, 2017 17:22:21 GMT
We'll then older bioware, for ducks sakes. Considering that ME:A took, in my opinion, a very welcome step back towards the promise that ME1 gave, I'm willing to see where "this" Bioware is gonna take the IP. We'll then fine, I'll respect your opinion and sorry I used the duck word.
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Post by admiralbonetopickmk2 on Apr 25, 2017 17:23:07 GMT
Rick and Morty has more sci-fi feels(and more creativity and alien-alienness) than anything found in Mass Effect Andromeda.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Apr 25, 2017 17:23:52 GMT
Quite honestly there are worse things out there to model after so I'm ok with this I was a huge B5 fan back in the day. I'm still hoping for that Vorlon reveal moment in ME:A. They have nothing left to reveal. If anything, ME:A should've been more like Crusade. Serious question. Is Babylon 5 a slow show? I want to watch it since it is one of the few sci-fi shows I haven't scene, but if it is like a the Battlestar Galactica remake, I don't know if I can take the slowness. It's an excellently paced show. It's got some cheese and "plot of the week" episodes but almost everything works together to develop the universe or the characters (and it really excells at the latter). But I have noticed that people who have seen Battlestar Galactica seem to have zero patience for it for some reason. Whatever, I stand by it and recommend it to all who'll listen.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 25, 2017 17:27:36 GMT
Quite honestly there are worse things out there to model after so I'm ok with this I was a huge B5 fan back in the day. I'm still hoping for that Vorlon reveal moment in ME:A. They have nothing left to reveal. If anything, ME:A should've been more like Crusade. Serious question. Is Babylon 5 a slow show? I want to watch it since it is one of the few sci-fi shows I haven't scene, but if it is like a the Battlestar Galactica remake, I don't know if I can take the slowness. It's an excellently paced show. It's got some cheese and "plot of the week" episodes but almost everything works together to develop the universe or the characters (and it really excells at the latter). But I have noticed that people who have seen Battlestar Galactica seem to have zero patience for it for some reason. Whatever, I stand by it and recommend it to all who'll listen. Babylon 5, which is not my favorite sci-fi show on TV, but ranks in the top 5 is pretty consistent. It will hold your attention to the end if you like a little campy stuff. Battlestar Galactica spent two whole seasons doing psycho-drama stuff that completely killed my love for the show. First season is pretty terrific though. Firefly is really, really good.
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 25, 2017 17:27:50 GMT
Did that explanation make sense though on the different types of sci-fi? For my preference even though I grew up Star Trek (DS9), I prefer the Farscape, Firefly, Andromeda, Stargate sci-fi type. I would rather watch and have a fun adventure with humour, laughs, and sadness then a giant space opera. You mean like Alf? Yeah, I see now. But didn't much care for that show either.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 25, 2017 17:28:27 GMT
Quite honestly there are worse things out there to model after so I'm ok with this I was a huge B5 fan back in the day. I'm still hoping for that Vorlon reveal moment in ME:A. They have nothing left to reveal. If anything, ME:A should've been more like Crusade. Serious question. Is Babylon 5 a slow show? I want to watch it since it is one of the few sci-fi shows I haven't scene, but if it is like a the Battlestar Galactica remake, I don't know if I can take the slowness. It's an excellently paced show. It's got some cheese and "plot of the week" episodes but almost everything works together to develop the universe or the characters (and it really excells at the latter). But I have noticed that people who have seen Battlestar Galactica seem to have zero patience for it for some reason. Whatever, I stand by it and recommend it to all who'll listen. Well, I grew up on a lot of fast paced Sci-fi. More noticeably would be the Stargate franchise where it is full of action and humour, so watching a slow drama like BSG didn't work for me. In fact, it is the reason SGU died out because the same creators brought that slowness to it which killed the show off.
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 25, 2017 17:34:54 GMT
Considering that ME:A took, in my opinion, a very welcome step back towards the promise that ME1 gave, I'm willing to see where "this" Bioware is gonna take the IP. We'll then fine, I'll respect your opinion and sorry I used the duck word. Fuck that shit! Don't apologize, son! I disagree quite strongly with those who think Andromeda is a terrible game, but so long as they don't try to state their opinion as fact, and those who disagree are idiots, it's all good. There are those who think ME2 and ME3 were some of the best Bioware games to date. I don't know HOW they can think that ( ) but they're entitled to their opinions. Glad to know we could reach an amicable "agree to disagree."
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 25, 2017 17:35:21 GMT
I would not call Kadara badly written. At the very least I could say is that at the least you can deal with and see the social issues of Kadara unlike with omega which you walked shot some guys and then leave. I agree that the planet are knock off but that does not mean they don't have a sci-fi feel, it just means it's not original. But then the planets in ME1 were not original ether. Also, me1-3 has scanners like what sam has, that's not out of place. And kett ships don't feel alien, ha. Nope, they are nothing but off and strangeness this there designs. And what about when you find out the truth about the angaran's? Not talking if Omega ripoff is original or not. Just saying I don't feels it's sci-fi. When I was talking about Andromeda scanner I meant that it's space magic instead of sci-fi. Yes, that one Kettle ship tied to Salarian ark did nothing for me. However the Kett ship in multiplayer did something in the sci-fi department, it gave me the feels of the ME2 Reaper ship. In fact it was the one thing that made me want to give sp a chance. When I found out about the Angarians I was like "This again, only done much worse." Plus I actually predicted it. So I had a dull face on throughout. the last thing it does not feel is scifi.I think you're confusing what feel original with what feels scifi. Heck, you havn't really explain what feeling scifi means. And the kett ship in the mp is the same design as the on in the sp. Added nothing in ME has been done like the anagrans. There is no organic race in ME totally made by another. This is new to ME.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Apr 25, 2017 17:44:59 GMT
It is an old tale: People hated ME2 when it came out for not being like ME1. People hated ME3 when it came out for the endings then suddenly liked ME2. People hate ME:A because it's not like ME3 and they now suddenly like it. People hated DA2 because it wasn't like DA:O. People hated DA:I because it wasn't like DA2 and now suddenly they like it. I wouldn't be surprised if people hated ME1 and DA:O for being a Babylon 5 and a Dragonslayer rip-off respectfully. I prominence you that the same damn people will hate DA4 and ME:A2 (if they're made) will then suddenly like DA:I and ME:A. Very likely, yes. It's simply about context/comparisons. If one perceives each game to be weaker than the last, then of course in retrospect those "bad" ones suddenly don't look THAT bad anymore compared to those even worse that came out later... It's very simple psychology. Whether or not this is actually true is a different matter. I never felt this way about a Bioware game before. Loved the entire trilogy. Liked DA2. But I could name my favorite novel series. Book 5 was the first one that disappointed me a bit because 4 was so awesome. I gave it only a 4 out of 5 rating because the author could do better. Would have given it a 5 compared to other novels of that genre. So what we perceive as the standard for a a particular artist/company also comes into play. Series went downhill fast after that. Now after book 9, I would consider 5 still great. I really enjoyed DAI's open world at the time because it was my first OW game, I think. I thought Bioware did a decent job with it. I was all "I'm never going back to corridors again." Flash forward to catching up with Skyrim, New Vegas and Witcher 3 and now DAI looks far less satisfying in this regard. And after the inquisitor I REALLY appreciate Hawke. More than I already did. And now I actually think OW does Bioware no favors and I'd gladly go back to a linear corridor shooter with a tight narrative. *g* Comparisons are a bitch. They often ruin something in retrospect but they can also redeem it.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 25, 2017 17:52:52 GMT
Rick and Morty has more sci-fi feels(and more creativity and alien-alienness) than anything found in Mass Effect Andromeda. creative yes. Scifi not really.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 25, 2017 17:55:37 GMT
Rick and Morty has more sci-fi feels(and more creativity and alien-alienness) than anything found in Mass Effect Andromeda. creative yes. Scifi not really. I can't watch Rick and Morty. I am sure it is funny, but the animations look like shit like how the old one is always drooling. It makes my stomach sick looking at it.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 25, 2017 17:59:12 GMT
Rick and Morty has more sci-fi feels(and more creativity and alien-alienness) than anything found in Mass Effect Andromeda. I disagree, but... Yo, check this out for you Rick and Morty fans and Fallout 4 modders:
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 25, 2017 18:00:25 GMT
They have nothing left to reveal. If anything, ME:A should've been more like Crusade. It's an excellently paced show. It's got some cheese and "plot of the week" episodes but almost everything works together to develop the universe or the characters (and it really excells at the latter). But I have noticed that people who have seen Battlestar Galactica seem to have zero patience for it for some reason. Whatever, I stand by it and recommend it to all who'll listen. Well, I grew up on a lot of fast paced Sci-fi. More noticeably would be the Stargate franchise where it is full of action and humour, so watching a slow drama like BSG didn't work for me. In fact, it is the reason SGU died out because the same creators brought that slowness to it which killed the show off. I think SGU died mainly because it was so different from SG-1 and Atlantis. Personally that was a good thing I liked the different approach.
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 25, 2017 18:04:23 GMT
Not talking if Omega ripoff is original or not. Just saying I don't feels it's sci-fi. When I was talking about Andromeda scanner I meant that it's space magic instead of sci-fi. Yes, that one Kettle ship tied to Salarian ark did nothing for me. However the Kett ship in multiplayer did something in the sci-fi department, it gave me the feels of the ME2 Reaper ship. In fact it was the one thing that made me want to give sp a chance. When I found out about the Angarians I was like "This again, only done much worse." Plus I actually predicted it. So I had a dull face on throughout. the last thing it does not feel is scifi.I think you're confusing what feel original with what feels scifi. Heck, you havn't really explain what feeling scifi means. And the kett ship in the mp is the same design as the on in the sp. Added nothing in ME has been done like the anagrans. There is no organic race in ME totally made by another. This is new to ME. No, because if omega ripoff was as good as omega in the sci-fi feels, I would have been fine with it. So again, not because it wasn't original. The kettle ship in mp seemed abandoned to me. Map is even called derelict, I believe. So my mind was running wild with the scifi feels. So of course sp totally dropped the ball with what my imagination had. That and by the time I got to the kettle ship in sp, I had already seen that kett design a 1000 times already, leaving me without any feels for even it's design. And have you already forgotten the Collectors revelation in ME2 on the Collector ship?
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 25, 2017 18:06:55 GMT
Rick and Morty has more sci-fi feels(and more creativity and alien-alienness) than anything found in Mass Effect Andromeda. creative yes. Scifi not really. Oh, that's too bad. I haven't seen the show myself.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 25, 2017 18:09:25 GMT
Well, I grew up on a lot of fast paced Sci-fi. More noticeably would be the Stargate franchise where it is full of action and humour, so watching a slow drama like BSG didn't work for me. In fact, it is the reason SGU died out because the same creators brought that slowness to it which killed the show off. I think SGU died mainly because it was so different from SG-1 and Atlantis. Personally that was a good thing I liked the different approach. SGU=BattleStarGate
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 25, 2017 18:10:52 GMT
Rick and Morty has more sci-fi feels(and more creativity and alien-alienness) than anything found in Mass Effect Andromeda. creative yes. Scifi not really.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 25, 2017 18:10:55 GMT
Well, I grew up on a lot of fast paced Sci-fi. More noticeably would be the Stargate franchise where it is full of action and humour, so watching a slow drama like BSG didn't work for me. In fact, it is the reason SGU died out because the same creators brought that slowness to it which killed the show off. I think SGU died mainly because it was so different from SG-1 and Atlantis. Personally that was a good thing I liked the different approach. I fucking hated it. They should have picked a different approach. Now we are getting a reboot basically stating SG1, Atlantis, SGU didn't even exist.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 25, 2017 18:13:14 GMT
I think SGU died mainly because it was so different from SG-1 and Atlantis. Personally that was a good thing I liked the different approach. I fucking hated it. They should have picked a different approach. Now we are getting a reboot basically stating SG1, Atlantis, SGU didn't even exist. My understanding is the movie Stargate was meant to be the first of a trilogy, which never happened because the movie kinda tanked. Now they're trying it again. I say whatever, DCEU can't take the Christopher Nolan Batman from me.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 25, 2017 18:18:02 GMT
I think SGU died mainly because it was so different from SG-1 and Atlantis. Personally that was a good thing I liked the different approach. I fucking hated it. They should have picked a different approach. Now we are getting a reboot basically stating SG1, Atlantis, SGU didn't even exist. Thankfully that fell through. www.empireonline.com/movies/news/remake-stargate-happening-know-exclusive/
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 25, 2017 18:19:52 GMT
I fucking hated it. They should have picked a different approach. Now we are getting a reboot basically stating SG1, Atlantis, SGU didn't even exist. My understanding is the movie Stargate was meant to be the first of a trilogy, which never happened because the movie kinda tanked. Now they're trying it again. I say whatever, DCEU can't take the Christopher Nolan Batman from me. I remember hearing that too. Whatever happens with it, it will not be the Stargate I grew up up, so it is basically already dead to me.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 25, 2017 18:48:46 GMT
creative yes. Scifi not really. Oh, that's too bad. I haven't seen the show myself. Face palm.. what? you have yet to say what it means to feel scifi.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 25, 2017 18:54:09 GMT
the last thing it does not feel is scifi.I think you're confusing what feel original with what feels scifi. Heck, you havn't really explain what feeling scifi means. And the kett ship in the mp is the same design as the on in the sp. Added nothing in ME has been done like the anagrans. There is no organic race in ME totally made by another. This is new to ME. No, because if omega ripoff was as good as omega in the sci-fi feels, I would have been fine with it. So again, not because it wasn't original. The kettle ship in mp seemed abandoned to me. Map is even called derelict, I believe. So my mind was running wild with the scifi feels. So of course sp totally dropped the ball with what my imagination had. That and by the time I got to the kettle ship in sp, I had already seen that kett design a 1000 times already, leaving me without any feels for even it's design. And have you already forgotten the Collectors revelation in ME2 on the Collector ship? 1. You have yet to explain how it does not feel sci fi. 2. Being derelict does not mean it's scifi. It just means it closer to horror. they are the same design. How can one be better then the other? 3. have you? protheans being turn to husk is not the same thing as a race make an entire organic race. Hell, when we found out the collects were really prothean husk it was not new being that the same thing happened to the keepers in me1. Sorry but nothing in ME has a race make another organic race.
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