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Post by Andrew Waples on Apr 24, 2017 17:23:32 GMT
For something that was built in secret by Cerberus, both Alec (has a model) and the AI somehow have blueprints? Sure this is probably simple easter egg and nothing more, but Alec should have no connection at all to the SR2 crew, beyond knowing Shepard by name only and a acquaintance to Liara. If the AI then has the blueprints, could they recreate the SR2? Would you even want BioWare to that down the line? The Tempest not having a gun was mistake, but that's a rabbit hole that's already been discussed.
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Post by liquidsnake on Apr 24, 2017 19:00:17 GMT
No. I would rather they fit the Tempest with a weapon somehow rather than the Normandy return. I like the Tempest and don't want to see it go. Besides that, I would feel slightly cheated to have a Normandy lookalike return without Shepard and company to fill it.. Just leave the past in the past. This is all new!
I think it's mostly as an easter egg than anything else.. Although there is speculation that the Benefactor for the Andromeda Initiative could have ties to the Illusive Man or Cerberus in general so if that's the case, it would make sense that blueprints for such an advanced ship would come along to a new galaxy.
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Post by Kelwing on Apr 24, 2017 22:12:51 GMT
Tali is my money bet.
I remember a line Shepard tells her to feel free to scan the ship. She said she would.
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Post by jeyl on Apr 24, 2017 23:16:05 GMT
I have bigger issues with the SR2 being displayed in the Pathfinder room than the SR1. They clearly label the SR2 as a Human/Turian designed ship even though that was clearly not the case. What makes this even more baffling is that the first Normandy was actually reported on by Khalisah al-Jilani! So a ship that was built in secret by a pro-human group gets more attention than the one that got actual press attention and who's destruction was known pretty much throughout the cosmos. I just don't get it. Did someone on the design team just hate the original Normandy that this was their way of eliminating it from canon?
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Post by sdzald on Apr 24, 2017 23:21:49 GMT
Well Shepard and Alec are both N7's. I guess they could know each other well and we just don't know about it. Just like the connection Alec has with Liara.
On another note. Turn the Tempest upside down and tell me it doesn't look like the Normandy, I swear the Tempest looks like it lands and takes off upside down.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 24, 2017 23:42:17 GMT
On another note. Turn the Tempest upside down and tell me it doesn't look like the Normandy, I swear the Tempest looks like it lands and takes off upside down. It was intentional. I vaguely seem to recall that the devs mentioning in an interview that they wanted the Tempest to feel like it was drawn from the same design-lineage as Alliance vessels, but the design they ended up with looked too much like the Normandy. So they decided to flip the model upside and alter the wing-fins. The Tempest not having a gun was mistake, but that's a rabbit hole that's already been discussed. Actually when you think about it, the Tempest not having a gun ended up being a blessing in disguise. The Angara would likely have never let the ship land on Aya if they'd detected it was armed to the teeth. To preserve the secrecy and safety of their people, they'd have probably been very justified if they'd blown the Tempest out of the sky, fearing it posed a threat to them. Whereas the Tempest being unarmed meant they could risk letting it land. If those onboard did end up being hostile, they could easily imprison the crew and impound the vessel to keep the location of Aya secret.
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Post by sdzald on Apr 24, 2017 23:55:53 GMT
On another note. Turn the Tempest upside down and tell me it doesn't look like the Normandy, I swear the Tempest looks like it lands and takes off upside down. It was intentional. I vaguely seem to recall that the devs mentioning in an interview that they wanted the Tempest to feel like it was drawn from the same design-lineage as Alliance vessels, but the design they ended up with looked too much like the Normandy. So they decided to flip the model upside and alter the wing-fins. The Tempest not having a gun was mistake, but that's a rabbit hole that's already been discussed. Actually when you think about it, the Tempest not having a gun ended up being a blessing in disguise. The Angara would likely have never let the ship land on Aya if they'd detected it was armed to the teeth. To preserve the secrecy and safety of their people, they'd have probably been very justified if they'd blown the Tempest out of the sky, fearing it posed a threat to them. Whereas the Tempest being unarmed meant they could risk letting it land. If those onboard did end up being hostile, they could easily imprison the crew and impound the vessel to keep the location of Aya secret. AHHH HAAAA I knew it! Every time I see the Tempest it bugs the crap out of me. Thanks for the info Sifr
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Post by Sifr on Apr 25, 2017 0:28:49 GMT
Trying to find that interview, but it's proving illusive. Anyone else remember where they said this, did I imagine it? I know that Joel Macmillan helped design the look of it. Also that one of the rejected concepts was for the cargo bay to be at the top, so that the Nomad would drive on the roof and down the nose of the ship, which would bend (somewhat like a Concorde) to form a ramp.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 25, 2017 2:36:22 GMT
On another note. Turn the Tempest upside down and tell me it doesn't look like the Normandy, I swear the Tempest looks like it lands and takes off upside down. It was intentional. I vaguely seem to recall that the devs mentioning in an interview that they wanted the Tempest to feel like it was drawn from the same design-lineage as Alliance vessels, but the design they ended up with looked too much like the Normandy. So they decided to flip the model. Oh, come on BioWare....
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 25, 2017 4:36:00 GMT
I have bigger issues with the SR2 being displayed in the Pathfinder room than the SR1. They clearly label the SR2 as a Human/Turian designed ship even though that was clearly not the case. What makes this even more baffling is that the first Normandy was actually reported on by Khalisah al-Jilani! So a ship that was built in secret by a pro-human group gets more attention than the one that got actual press attention and who's destruction was known pretty much throughout the cosmos. I just don't get it. Did someone on the design team just hate the original Normandy that this was their way of eliminating it from canon? I agree that the SR1 would've been a better choice. I suspect that they figured more players would be familiar with the SR2. The fact that the SR2 was more advanced may also have played a part. The SR2 is a Human/Turian design, though. It's derived from the SR1, to which Cerberus provided some early impetus. TIM then had his engineers design a better, less budget-restricted version for the coming war. (This is one of the few instances involving Cerberus that actually made sense, given their Alliance ties and Cord-Hislop.) As to the question posed by Andrew Waples in the OP, it's bluntly hinted that they stole the prints, or at least obtained them illegally. "Top Secret" doesn't mean completely untouchable. There's always a way with greed in play. We don't know who the true backers of the Initiative were, but the SR2 prints aren't even the craziest thing with which they got away. They developed multiple AIs, vessels that are dreadnoughts sans guns, etc... Clearly, a lot of exceptions were made for this project. The Initiative must have had powerful backers in the highest levels of government.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Apr 25, 2017 6:37:13 GMT
I wondered about it and dismissed it, even after the mysterious benefactor plot came up later. Yeah, I can pretend it's Cerberus that fund the whole A.I. thing and threw that ship design in but the thorn is, I can't even ask questions about the bludy thing in-game. So I'll take it in stride and accept it as some kind of memento from the MET.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 25, 2017 7:57:05 GMT
I wondered about it and dismissed it, even after the mysterious benefactor plot came up later. Yeah, I can pretend it's Cerberus that fund the whole A.I. thing and threw that ship design in but the thorn is, I can't even ask questions about the bludy thing in-game. So I'll take it in stride and accept it as some kind of memento from the MET. You can indirectly ask about it in conversation with Kallo. You can't specifically ask about the SR2; but what the hell woukd Ryder know about that anyway? You can ask Kallo how the designers got their hands on advanced, military designs. He humorously assures you that it was all totally legally, and coughs. Theft, back-channels, or whatever... it was not something that was easy to get, nor something which with which the Alliance parted willingly.* * While prerelease hype suggested that MEA took place in the midst of ME2, the Codex places it after ME2. This means that the SR2 would've been in Alliance hands, by the time the Ai launched. It doesn't really mean much, given the unreasonably tight timelines, but I thought I'd specify all the same. There are all sorts of cool possibilities as to how the AI engineers got the plans. I think Tempest's heritage is more interesting than off-putting.
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