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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 22:58:45 GMT
origin story of the Reapers with the ending and the Leviathan DLC. It made them much more mysterious. Where came from in the 1st place ?
Who designed the crucible? At the end of the game Shepard ask StarKid who designed it ? StarKid said you would not know of them and there is not enough time to explain !
maybe we will find out maybe in Andromeda 2 ?
or was the ending wasn't real ?
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 24, 2017 23:18:52 GMT
I believed the Catalyst designed it and fed organics in multiple cycles. Someone else suggested the Leviathan designed it and had their thralls build it. In either case it was likely worked on by long dead races who had evidence of their existence scraped away post-Reaper invasion.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Apr 25, 2017 2:27:07 GMT
The set up of the Crucible seems to be based on the accumulative designs of various races during various cycles adding to it without fully understanding what they are doing.
This links to the words of the Catalyst saying that organics are more resourceful then it thought. Since it figured the designs destroyed long ago. A long with the statement that the current solution would fail eventually due to organic life eventually finding a way to perfect the Crucible and possibly use it as a weapon against the Reapers.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 25, 2017 4:00:34 GMT
Who designed the crucible? At the end of the game Shepard ask StarKid who designed it ? StarKid said you would not know of them and there is not enough time to explain ! There was a thread asking what people thought what the dlc would be, which later was the Citadel dlc. I wanted a crucible dlc. When the thing says "you do not know them, and there's not enough time to explain" is what I would say is Bioware's way of saying we have no idea. We just put it in the game for...reasons. The thing does mention it knew about it several cycles ago. So it didn't know about the plans for very long even though vendetta says that countless cycles before added something.Than it says it thought it was gone. Which to me is odd it would say that since the protheans were building it during their time. They were sabotaged from within. So the thing had to of known about it since the ones who sabotaged the project were indoctrinated. Leviathan says it was never completed. I'm guessing the protheans were likley the only one's to even start building before being sabotaged. In our cycle we're able to build it. Had the relays been working during the prothean cycle, I believe they would have been able to build it and deploy the crucible. Again. That's guessing on my part If I had to guess who designed the initial plans, I would say the keepers. They know the Citadel inside and out. In order to have plans to build something to work with the citadel, someone had to know the ins and outs of the Citadel. If it wasn't them, no idea.
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Post by sinophile on May 8, 2017 5:42:35 GMT
From my understanding, the Catalyst took multiple generations to finish. BY the time it got to the current cycle, it was pretty much finished in terms of planning, and just needed to be built.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 16:11:26 GMT
I believed the Catalyst designed it and fed organics in multiple cycles. Someone else suggested the Leviathan designed it and had their thralls build it. In either case it was likely worked on by long dead races who had evidence of their existence scraped away post-Reaper invasion. I like this idea somewhat... modified such that the Catalyst made the initial design with a different motive in mind (e.g. maybe to make harvesting even easier/quicker so that he oculd gather more data faster (which is what Leviathan said his purpose really was - to scour the galaxy for data)... and then it was modified by the organics in one cycle as a means of trying to destroy him and his Reapers. It didn't work, of course, and the Catalyst thought he had destroyed the plan... but like bad breath, the plan kept showing up in subsequent cycles despite his best efforts to destroy it... and it kept getting modified and made more powerful. The species that kept modifying it in each cycle kept finding ways to ensure the plans would survive into the next cycle should their iteration of it not work (just like Liara was shown doing with her little device)... leading to his comment about how resourceful organics are.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on May 10, 2017 3:03:51 GMT
I believed the Catalyst designed it and fed organics in multiple cycles. Someone else suggested the Leviathan designed it and had their thralls build it. In either case it was likely worked on by long dead races who had evidence of their existence scraped away post-Reaper invasion. I like this idea somewhat... modified such that the Catalyst made the initial design with a different motive in mind (e.g. maybe to make harvesting even easier/quicker so that he oculd gather more data faster (which is what Leviathan said his purpose really was - to scour the galaxy for data)... and then it was modified by the organics in one cycle as a means of trying to destroy him and his Reapers. It didn't work, of course, and the Catalyst thought he had destroyed the plan... but like bad breath, the plan kept showing up in subsequent cycles despite his best efforts to destroy it... and it kept getting modified and made more powerful. The species that kept modifying it in each cycle kept finding ways to ensure the plans would survive into the next cycle should their iteration of it not work (just like Liara was shown doing with her little device)... leading to his comment about how resourceful organics are. It takes to much away from organic life for my taste. If it is the Catalyst that created the basis of it then Organic life isn't really being innovative simply imitative. Building something from scratch and each race adding to it over time actually shows the innovative ability of organic life and the ability to be presented with something different and yet still be able to adapt and add to it.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 15:54:31 GMT
I like this idea somewhat... modified such that the Catalyst made the initial design with a different motive in mind (e.g. maybe to make harvesting even easier/quicker so that he oculd gather more data faster (which is what Leviathan said his purpose really was - to scour the galaxy for data)... and then it was modified by the organics in one cycle as a means of trying to destroy him and his Reapers. It didn't work, of course, and the Catalyst thought he had destroyed the plan... but like bad breath, the plan kept showing up in subsequent cycles despite his best efforts to destroy it... and it kept getting modified and made more powerful. The species that kept modifying it in each cycle kept finding ways to ensure the plans would survive into the next cycle should their iteration of it not work (just like Liara was shown doing with her little device)... leading to his comment about how resourceful organics are. It takes to much away from organic life for my taste. If it is the Catalyst that created the basis of it then Organic life isn't really being innovative simply imitative. Building something from scratch and each race adding to it over time actually shows the innovative ability of organic life and the ability to be presented with something different and yet still be able to adapt and add to it. That depends on how different the Catalyst's original design and intent of purpose might have been from what it turned out to be. Also, coming from the Catalyst, it would not be a real statement about how innovative organics are but rather a case of sour grapes or grudging respect over the continually modified plans having survived all those cycles despite his best efforts to see them eradicated. Mass Effect does have an underlying theme to it about adapting and then using the enemy's tactics and tools against them, so such an idea of the Catalyst first creating a crucible for a different purpose wouldn't be out of line with that sort of theme. I will say that I'd be OK with your premise as well.
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