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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 30, 2017 22:12:58 GMT
^^^ he was more than "half" joking. Cloning is bad, mmmkay? Especially when you are talking about programming life to be used in an unnatural way. The entire idea is without conscience. As a joke it is fine, as a real idea it is ethically abominable. Your stated moral opposition to this only makes me want it more. Well, we found the sociopath. |
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Post by zipzap2000 on May 1, 2017 3:18:42 GMT
I have no moral opposition to cloning per se. However, these clones should still be allowed to grow up normally. That defeats the purpose. We have Okeers data and Khi Tisara. We can have clones ready in 7 days fully educated and ready for whatever we role we see fit to purpose them for. Cooks, engineers, farmers, soldiers. We could even begin seperating leaders from the followers pre cobception and create the exact number of whatever we need at a near moments notice. (Probably what the Jardaan were doing.) Allowing them to have childhoods would probably ruin everything and the Kett won't wait for us all to breed for a fair fight. = Clones. |
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Post by Dean The Not-so Young on May 1, 2017 3:32:56 GMT
Your stated moral opposition to this only makes me want it more. Well, we found the sociopath. On what grounds- that I want a plotline that makes you uncomfortable, or that I don't find cloning a morally abhorrent concept? If it's that I can take enjoyment from fiction that unsettles people with things they don't like, then guilty as charged. I wouldn't even be a fan of Bioware games if they didn't occasionally come to Difficult Decisions that leave fans tormented or at eachother for strongly held but contradicting moral viewpoints. I enjoy seeing people in moral disagreements try to come to terms with eachother (and their own) positions, and I'm proud to support an industry that does that for a living. On the other hand, I don't see what's sociopathic about not despising cloning and maybe considering them valid people... but then, if I was a sociopath under your construct, I wouldn't understand that, would I? |
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Post by dmc1001 on May 1, 2017 4:46:19 GMT
I have no moral opposition to cloning per se. However, these clones should still be allowed to grow up normally. That defeats the purpose. We have Okeers data and Khi Tisara. We can have clones ready in 7 days fully educated and ready for whatever we role we see fit to purpose them for. Cooks, engineers, farmers, soldiers. We could even begin seperating leaders from the followers pre cobception and create the exact number of whatever we need at a near moments notice. (Probably what the Jardaan were doing.) Allowing them to have childhoods would probably ruin everything and the Kett won't wait for us all to breed for a fair fight. = Clones. I understand but I think their lives should have intrinsic value rather than just be bodies churned out. It seems like, in the end, it wouldn't turn out well. I think Okeer's krogan are testament that we'll have almost exclusively failures. |
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Post by zipzap2000 on May 1, 2017 4:49:31 GMT
That defeats the purpose. We have Okeers data and Khi Tisara. We can have clones ready in 7 days fully educated and ready for whatever we role we see fit to purpose them for. Cooks, engineers, farmers, soldiers. We could even begin seperating leaders from the followers pre cobception and create the exact number of whatever we need at a near moments notice. (Probably what the Jardaan were doing.) Allowing them to have childhoods would probably ruin everything and the Kett won't wait for us all to breed for a fair fight. = Clones. I understand but I think their lives should have intrinsic value rather than just be bodies churned out. It seems like, in the end, it wouldn't turn out well. I think Okeer's krogan are testament that we'll have almost exclusively failures. He was going for perfection Jedore just didnt know how to comnand those Krogan they were otherwise fine. Saren is a better example I suppose. |
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Post by Ahriman on May 1, 2017 9:11:48 GMT
Your stated moral opposition to this only makes me want it more. Well, we found the sociopath. So let me get this straight. You never recruited Grunt in ME2 because it's morally wrong? |
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Post by sungrey on May 1, 2017 17:38:09 GMT
You know, I was thinking the same thing -- that there aren't enough people of each race to maintain genetic diversity over the long-term. However, after looking into the issue, it seems a minimum viable population (to ensure genetic health) would be around 4,000-5,000 individuals. (I did a Google search on this so I could be wrong.)
Of the 20,000 people on the Ark Hyperion, how many are women of childbearing age? We don't know. If it's anything like the contemporary population, than women 15-44 compose 20% of all humans in Andromeda, or about 4,000 people. Is that enough to sustain the population? I would think so, especially if the Initiative encourages everyone of childbearing age to have kids.
In addition, humans in MEA probably have access to advanced medical science to prolong (and enhance) female fertility and give children (via cloning) to those who aren't of childbearing age or are infertile for some other reason.
The species that might be in trouble is the asari. In order avoid creating ardat yakshi, they allegedly have to breed with other races. However, the other races are not so numerous that they could afford to pair-up outside their own species too often. To get around this issue, the asari could make designer babies through cloning and genetic engineering.
Sorry if I rambled but I'm kinda "thinking out loud."
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