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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 30, 2017 21:10:44 GMT
That just sounds patronising. "Son" doesn't sound patronizing? I don't get dudes. "Son"doesn't really sound patronising. It's not used in the same way as "child". Anderson uses "son" in a more fatherly way but if he'd said "child" to him it would have sounded very disrespectful. IMO, FemShep shouldn't have been called "child". Probably just best to drop the type of terminology entirely for her.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 30, 2017 21:18:29 GMT
I HATE when any game company that presents us with narrative choice chooses a canon role. I can understand it, somewhat. But for the love of God, if the game requires a character to act a certain way, don't make it a choice. Additionally, I can't stand, when their game pushes a narrative choice as the somehow "correct" one. I thought BioWARE understood that when they took away the Paragon/Renegade bar, but I was mistaken. I kill Wrex in my playthroughs. Mordin is too awesome and the story is infinitely better with Wreav in charge. And yet, everytime we talk to people, everyone can't stop talking about how sad it was that Wrex wasn't around, or it would have been better if Wrex was there. Wrex is so much better than Wreav. Likewise, Liara was never my friend, but I hate that Shepard is forced to be all buddy-buddy with her. Inqusition was like that too: I was given no reason to support the templars, which was a shame because that mission is fantastic. I tend to play more Paragon than Renegade. When I see a relationship build between Wrex and Shepard across three games, culminating in Wrex equating my surname as "hero", it's meaningful to me. I imagine that's the case with a lot of people. However, I also like to cure the genophage. If Wreav is in control, it's probably a bad idea to give them a cure. Also, in all likelihood, I probably wouldn't have kept Maelon's data, meaning that Eve would also die. That would be a definite "no" to a genophage cure because Wreav unchecked would almost certainly have intentions of conquering the galaxy. (Whether he could or not is another story.) I don't know that I think the game implied that there was a correct decision there. A decision to kill Wrex is easily justified in ME1. I just happen to like what Wrex becomes in future games enough to spare him in ME1.
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Post by taliefer on Apr 30, 2017 21:20:39 GMT
broshep, femshep, doesn't matter. in the end they were all obviously meant to be green sparkly gender neutral synthganics
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 30, 2017 21:28:07 GMT
broshep, femshep, doesn't matter. in the end they were all obviously meant to be green sparkly gender neutral synthganics Not in any of my playthroughs. Well, once, but I decided it was never happening again. Dead Reapers is the only workable solution for me.
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Post by duskwanderer on May 1, 2017 0:14:26 GMT
I HATE when any game company that presents us with narrative choice chooses a canon role. I can understand it, somewhat. But for the love of God, if the game requires a character to act a certain way, don't make it a choice. Additionally, I can't stand, when their game pushes a narrative choice as the somehow "correct" one. I thought BioWARE understood that when they took away the Paragon/Renegade bar, but I was mistaken. I kill Wrex in my playthroughs. Mordin is too awesome and the story is infinitely better with Wreav in charge. And yet, everytime we talk to people, everyone can't stop talking about how sad it was that Wrex wasn't around, or it would have been better if Wrex was there. Wrex is so much better than Wreav. Likewise, Liara was never my friend, but I hate that Shepard is forced to be all buddy-buddy with her. Inqusition was like that too: I was given no reason to support the templars, which was a shame because that mission is fantastic. I tend to play more Paragon than Renegade. When I see a relationship build between Wrex and Shepard across three games, culminating in Wrex equating my surname as "hero", it's meaningful to me. I imagine that's the case with a lot of people. However, I also like to cure the genophage. If Wreav is in control, it's probably a bad idea to give them a cure. Also, in all likelihood, I probably wouldn't have kept Maelon's data, meaning that Eve would also die. That would be a definite "no" to a genophage cure because Wreav unchecked would almost certainly have intentions of conquering the galaxy. (Whether he could or not is another story.) I don't know that I think the game implied that there was a correct decision there. A decision to kill Wrex is easily justified in ME1. I just happen to like what Wrex becomes in future games enough to spare him in ME1. I think there's only a couple of choices in which I go Renegade (or neutral). In fact, I think the only one that isn't genophage related is leaving Ronald Taylor to the feral males, killing the heretics on Legion's loyalty mission, and getting Kelly to change her name. And I don't even consider them to be Renegade. The krogan nearly destroyed the galaxy, and, unlike the rachni, don't seem to have any care as to why it happened other than "salarians and turians BAD!" There is no way I would let those people run unchecked. Even Wrex, who is 'supposedly' a smart krogan who thinks about more, doesn't even seem to notice. He laments that krogan have no interest in something other than fighting, but he doesn't really see what a krogan population boom means for the galaxy. Sure, he researches peaceful technology, but that's not enough. He creates a neutral zone for fertile females (letting clans who break the rules get annihilated), but it comes off as more of a smokescreen, that attacking Clan Urdnot puts lots of fertile females at risk. He says he wants ten colony worlds, right off the bat. He says he'll ask for it first, but isn't going to take no for an answer. He's no saint, he's only a slightly more self-aware mutant, but not aware enough to know what a krogan population boom would do, or even if he could keep the krogan from revolting. And the dangers are ignored because he's Wrex.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 1, 2017 1:24:46 GMT
He's no saint, he's only a slightly more self-aware mutant, but not aware enough to know what a krogan population boom would do, or even if he could keep the krogan from revolting. And the dangers are ignored because he's Wrex. True, but that's what Eve is there for. She seems to command at least as much respect as Wrex. When even Mordin thinks there's a good future for the krogan if it's Wrex and Eve leading it then it stands to reason that just might be true. To my mind, the krogan slide at the end justifies their survival. We actually see Tuchanka being rebuilt, as well as happy-looking krogan children.
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Post by duskwanderer on May 1, 2017 10:34:06 GMT
He's no saint, he's only a slightly more self-aware mutant, but not aware enough to know what a krogan population boom would do, or even if he could keep the krogan from revolting. And the dangers are ignored because he's Wrex. True, but that's what Eve is there for. She seems to command at least as much respect as Wrex. When even Mordin thinks there's a good future for the krogan if it's Wrex and Eve leading it then it stands to reason that just might be true. To my mind, the krogan slide at the end justifies their survival. We actually see Tuchanka being rebuilt, as well as happy-looking krogan children. But that flies in the face of what we know about krogan. They are massively tribal and territorial. They aren't going to just follow the leader. Plus, as Mordin points out, krogan population booms result in war. Always have.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 1, 2017 12:39:07 GMT
True, but that's what Eve is there for. She seems to command at least as much respect as Wrex. When even Mordin thinks there's a good future for the krogan if it's Wrex and Eve leading it then it stands to reason that just might be true. To my mind, the krogan slide at the end justifies their survival. We actually see Tuchanka being rebuilt, as well as happy-looking krogan children. But that flies in the face of what we know about krogan. They are massively tribal and territorial. They aren't going to just follow the leader. Plus, as Mordin points out, krogan population booms result in war. Always have. And yet Mordin thought the genophage was a good idea to the point where he was willing to risk being killed by a Renegade anti-genophage Shepard. Must be some reason for that.
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Post by duskwanderer on May 1, 2017 20:39:26 GMT
But that flies in the face of what we know about krogan. They are massively tribal and territorial. They aren't going to just follow the leader. Plus, as Mordin points out, krogan population booms result in war. Always have. And yet Mordin thought the genophage was a good idea to the point where he was willing to risk being killed by a Renegade anti-genophage Shepard. Must be some reason for that. Overeagerness. Self-deception. Being salarian does not immunize yourself from such problems.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 1, 2017 21:59:16 GMT
And yet Mordin thought the genophage was a good idea to the point where he was willing to risk being killed by a Renegade anti-genophage Shepard. Must be some reason for that. Overeagerness. Self-deception. Being salarian does not immunize yourself from such problems. Or me, I guess.
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Post by colfoley on May 1, 2017 23:10:32 GMT
Just because Wrex is mentioned to being leader of Clan Urdnot does not mean they are cannoninzing that particular event. It just means that in the particular timeline the book takes place Wrex is leader of Urdnot, not that he is Leader of Urdnot in all timelines or that it is 'canon.'
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Post by dmc1001 on May 2, 2017 1:16:41 GMT
Just because Wrex is mentioned to being leader of Clan Urdnot does not mean they are cannoninzing that particular event. It just means that in the particular timeline the book takes place Wrex is leader of Urdnot, not that he is Leader of Urdnot in all timelines or that it is 'canon.' No, I already acknowledged this was a mistake. Wrex had actually been a clan leader when he was pretty young. The reference can be to that without breaking anyone's canon for events from the OT.
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Post by congokong on May 3, 2017 17:53:47 GMT
It's also "canon" in ME:A that Garrus survived ME2 ...I think. Garrus only contacted his father for help after ME2, right? At least far more people are inclined to keep Garrus past ME2 than Wrex after ME1, so this inclusion was "safer."
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Post by dmc1001 on May 3, 2017 22:57:16 GMT
It's also "canon" in ME:A that Garrus survived ME2 ...I think. Garrus only contacted his father for help after ME2, right? At least far more people are inclined to keep Garrus past ME2 than Wrex after ME1, so this inclusion was "safer." Garrus could have spoken to his father about this stuff at any time, really. Could have done so while running around with Cerberus. I'm sure his father would want to know why he was hanging out with a human supremacist organization and this could be how he explains it.
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Post by fizzypop on May 6, 2017 19:39:07 GMT
That infographic was based on selective research by origin. Meaning you had to be opt in to have your computer and game monitored. I know many gamers opted out of being monitored. If you played offline or not on PC it doesn't include you. It also doesn't say if they counted every single play through a player would do or only 1 per unique player. If they only count the first play through it is possible they are missing out on players who may have started as one character like a male solider, didn't finish, and then restarted another character. A lot of very simple folk didn't even know you could customize your character (yeah I know someone who didn't know this. So he missed the awesomeness of vanguard or any other class). It also doesn't say about what years this research was conducted either. Acting like that research is the be all end all is well not smart. It was way too selective to say anything about the gamer population at large. As far as the topic goes: Doesn't bother me. I don't really care about what happens in the books or anything else. As long as I can preserve my choices in my games I'm happy. I think people who get super bent out of shape about it are really just looking for a problem.
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Post by Croatsky on May 6, 2017 20:08:31 GMT
This isn't the first time Bioware made some decision "canon" for a spin off story. Once they even defaulted in making Shepard male in one of the comics, yet clearly in ME:A we still have to choose which gender is Shepard.
So no, this is nothing new.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 6, 2017 20:11:18 GMT
They also made Leliana alive in DAI even though she could have died in DAO.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on May 11, 2017 12:04:38 GMT
That infographic was based on selective research by origin. Meaning you had to be opt in to have your computer and game monitored. I know many gamers opted out of being monitored. If you played offline or not on PC it doesn't include you. It also doesn't say if they counted every single play through a player would do or only 1 per unique player. If they only count the first play through it is possible they are missing out on players who may have started as one character like a male solider, didn't finish, and then restarted another character. A lot of very simple folk didn't even know you could customize your character (yeah I know someone who didn't know this. So he missed the awesomeness of vanguard or any other class). It also doesn't say about what years this research was conducted either. Acting like that research is the be all end all is well not smart. It was way too selective to say anything about the gamer population at large. As far as the topic goes: Doesn't bother me. I don't really care about what happens in the books or anything else. As long as I can preserve my choices in my games I'm happy. I think people who get super bent out of shape about it are really just looking for a problem. Uh...I am on Xbox and was asked if I wanted to be monitored sane as pc folk, so I seriously SERIOUSLY doubt this was only origin players IN FACT a similar paper was done for ME1 before it came out for PC so... And not like other studies on AAA games communities (not casual and cellphone games mind you) did not yield similar results
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Post by formerfiend on May 11, 2017 13:22:25 GMT
"Son" doesn't sound patronizing? I don't get dudes. "Son"doesn't really sound patronising. It's not used in the same way as "child". Anderson uses "son" in a more fatherly way but if he'd said "child" to him it would have sounded very disrespectful. IMO, FemShep shouldn't have been called "child". Probably just best to drop the type of terminology entirely for her. My two cents is that whether or not "child" is patronizing depends entirely on the context and tone it's being used in. Anderson clearly wasn't using it in such a manner, anymore than he was using "son" in a patronizing manner towards Dudeshep. In both cases the context and intent is that Anderson has come to view Shepard as a surrogate child and the games are pretty clear that Shepard has come to view Anderson as a paternal figure. I suppose one could consider it patronizing to be thought of in such terms rather than as a colleague and an equal and that's fair enough. Though, and this is just my opinion, I'd say it's a bigger dick move to hold a grudge against Anderson for thinking about Shep that way in his dying moments than it is for Anderson to have that misconception of his relationship with Shep in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 15:32:18 GMT
I think that the one thing we can tell from MEA and this book is that paragon is always the canon. But for the endings, the question is which is paragon? They made it look like renegade was destroy. But renegade for ME3 was mostly being firm in your resolve. A bit like ruthless background in ME1, getting it done at all costs, but in the case of the Reapers, I think that is how it had to be. Unless it is control. I don't think paragon would be altering an entire galaxy into synthesis. That feels almost renegade to me, but given that we have AI in Ryder's head, it makes me wonder. It's like they really want to explore this route. AI is inherently good in MEA. It's basically synthesis after habitat 7 as you will likely die if you remove the AI. They literally went with synthesis for this story.
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Post by formerfiend on May 11, 2017 16:06:26 GMT
I'm personally inclined to believe that Synthesis is almost definitely non-canon.
It's been calculated that the Reapers could theoretically make the journey between the Milky Way and Andromeda in less than half the time that the Arks did. In the Synthesis ending you have Reapers who are active participants in galactic society along with individuals who were fully aware of the Andromeda initiative.
If Synthesis were canon there's no reason the post-war, synthesized Milky Way people couldn't hitch a ride on one of their new Reaper pals and lap the Initiative, and be there waiting for us when we got there.
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Post by Croatsky on May 11, 2017 20:33:51 GMT
They also made Leliana alive in DAI even though she could have died in DAO. She is lyrium based spirit in that case, as seen in Trespasser epilogue.
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