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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 26, 2017 5:24:32 GMT
I'm nearly done with reading the book. It's been a slow process. In any case, the book confirms that Wrex became the leader of Clan Urdnot. This can only happen if he survives ME1, which means we know neither Shepard nor Ashley shot him on Virmire. To me, it's weird to have any details from the OT made canon because all of it should be up to the individual player. I know there are people who always see to it that Wrex is killed, whether it be on Virmire or as a result of the genophage and the rachni taking over Tuchanka.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 26, 2017 5:30:29 GMT
In my playthrough he's not in charge. The majority of my playthroughs, I don't recruit him. I have had Ashley shoot him a couple of times. So much for your choices matter crap. That settles it. Destroy will be canon. ME4 will be released in 2022 that takes place in the Milky Way shortly after the events of ME3
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Post by formerfiend on Apr 26, 2017 6:39:45 GMT
I think the unwritten assumption for any novels that Bioware puts out in either the ME or DA universes is that the details regarding the setting that can contradict choices the player makes aren't the kind of canon that overrides player choice so much as "we needed to make this call for the sake of the story of this book but if your world state is different than your choices apply to your world state and are canon for you".
It is a double edged sword in that if Bioware went out of their way to never mention any of these choices, then that means they didn't matter and didn't affect anything important, didn't have any consequences outside of what we may or may not see in game - which has to be limited by the actual physical constraints of the medium. So if they mention it, then your choice doesn't matter if it's contradicted, but if they don't mention it, then no one's choice matters because it affected nothing.
All that being said, I haven't read the book so I don't know how pertinent that call really was to the story or what not, so I may be being overly fair to BW here.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Apr 26, 2017 6:51:58 GMT
Well, you see, Wrex has never died in any of my games so it worked for me.
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Post by Nikhilty on Apr 26, 2017 14:44:54 GMT
I'm nearly done with reading the book. It's been a slow process. In any case, the book confirms that Wrex became the leader of Clan Urdnot. This can only happen if he survives ME1, which means we know neither Shepard nor Ashley shot him on Virmire. To me, it's weird to have any details from the OT made canon because all of it should be up to the individual player. I know there are people who always see to it that Wrex is killed, whether it be on Virmire or as a result of the genophage and the rachni taking over Tuchanka. I wondered about that myself, as Wrex never survives Virmire in my playthroughs. I hope it's simply a continuity error that slipped past the editor. That does happen, after all, in books of all kinds. Edit: I have no problem with Wrex being mentioned as an example-in-passing to compare with other Krogan leaders, but not as if he's the current Urdnot leader.
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Post by kelarqshah on Apr 26, 2017 15:26:58 GMT
I think the unwritten assumption for any novels that Bioware puts out in either the ME or DA universes is that the details regarding the setting that can contradict choices the player makes aren't the kind of canon that overrides player choice so much as "we needed to make this call for the sake of the story of this book but if your world state is different than your choices apply to your world state and are canon for you". It is a double edged sword in that if Bioware went out of their way to never mention any of these choices, then that means they didn't matter and didn't affect anything important, didn't have any consequences outside of what we may or may not see in game - which has to be limited by the actual physical constraints of the medium. So if they mention it, then your choice doesn't matter if it's contradicted, but if they don't mention it, then no one's choice matters because it affected nothing. All that being said, I haven't read the book so I don't know how pertinent that call really was to the story or what not, so I may be being overly fair to BW here. Yeah, kind of like Alistair, Isabela and Varric teaming up in the DA comics, or the Sebastian and Bethany comic David Gaider wanted to write. It's more of a window into 'what might have been' where you can logically discount certain details if they don't apply to you. Personally though, killing Wrex was like killing Mordin for me. Half looking away from the screen while you kill off a fav character for the purpose of completionism, followed by wallowing in the shower feeling bad about myself
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 26, 2017 20:26:08 GMT
Okay, feeling slightly embarrassed. Just read the wiki on Wrex and it says he became a clan leader in his youth due to his exceptional battle prowess (also, he was a battlemaster). I guess BioWare can make the comparison without setting canon for the game stories.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 20:36:58 GMT
In my playthrough he's not in charge. The majority of my playthroughs, I don't recruit him. I have had Ashley shoot him a couple of times. So much for your choices matter crap. That settles it. Destroy will be canon. ME4 will be released in 2022 that takes place in the Milky Way shortly after the events of ME3 As long as they confirm femshep as a strong female hero I'm okay with whatever ending them pick remember all their online fans are femshep if you watch the vids so they may want to appeal to their fans anyway!
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Post by Iakus on Apr 26, 2017 20:47:29 GMT
I think the unwritten assumption for any novels that Bioware puts out in either the ME or DA universes is that the details regarding the setting that can contradict choices the player makes aren't the kind of canon that overrides player choice so much as "we needed to make this call for the sake of the story of this book but if your world state is different than your choices apply to your world state and are canon for you". It is a double edged sword in that if Bioware went out of their way to never mention any of these choices, then that means they didn't matter and didn't affect anything important, didn't have any consequences outside of what we may or may not see in game - which has to be limited by the actual physical constraints of the medium. So if they mention it, then your choice doesn't matter if it's contradicted, but if they don't mention it, then no one's choice matters because it affected nothing. All that being said, I haven't read the book so I don't know how pertinent that call really was to the story or what not, so I may be being overly fair to BW here. Yeah, kind of like Alistair, Isabela and Varric teaming up in the DA comics, or the Sebastian and Bethany comic David Gaider wanted to write. It's more of a window into 'what might have been' where you can logically discount certain details if they don't apply to you. Personally though, killing Wrex was like killing Mordin for me. Half looking away from the screen while you kill off a fav character for the purpose of completionism, followed by wallowing in the shower feeling bad about myself I think the Dragon Age team, at least, has said their writings operate off a specific timeline. it's not "canon" as such, it's simply the series of events they choose to work with when it comes to outside writing. And for other people's timelines, said events may have happened differently or not at all. I don't know if Mass Effect works that way.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 26, 2017 21:04:59 GMT
In my playthrough he's not in charge. The majority of my playthroughs, I don't recruit him. I have had Ashley shoot him a couple of times. So much for your choices matter crap. That settles it. Destroy will be canon. ME4 will be released in 2022 that takes place in the Milky Way shortly after the events of ME3 As long as they confirm femshep as a strong female hero I'm okay with whatever ending them pick remember all their online fans are femshep if you watch the vids so they may want to appeal to their fans anyway! No, because clearly they're confirming a Sheploo/Kaidan romance with high EMS Destroy ending. (Other details are irrelevant to me.)
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Post by themikefest on Apr 26, 2017 21:11:24 GMT
As long as they confirm femshep as a strong female hero I'm okay with whatever ending them pick remember all their online fans are femshep if you watch the vids so they may want to appeal to their fans anyway! I don't have a problem with that since the majority of my playthroughs is with femshep No, because clearly they're confirming a Sheploo/Kaidan romance with high EMS Destroy ending. (Other details are irrelevant to me.) Not even close. They're confirming femshep who is currently in Vancouver having drinks with Samantha while reading a book on "How to win at chess".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 21:17:44 GMT
As long as they confirm femshep as a strong female hero I'm okay with whatever ending them pick remember all their online fans are femshep if you watch the vids so they may want to appeal to their fans anyway! No, because clearly they're confirming a Sheploo/Kaidan romance with high EMS Destroy ending. (Other details are irrelevant to me.) I'm just salty because people on this thread convinced me male Shepard is canon when I thought femshep was canon Aaryn Flynn even said HER and the bioware statue for Shepard is a GIRL but they said nobody actually plays as a female and stuff and yet people still say it's a guy! I mean i know theres no canon but it should be a girl since there aren't many strong women, and whatever Casey Hudson says he has no clue what he's talking about, everyone on youtube plays as a girl Im sure some people feel just as strongly that Shepard should be male so it's selfish to wish, but I do wish they'd just confirm it (like not to say female is canon but make books wth female pronouns and make a movie with a female actress. I don't think they'd make Shepard male for movies)
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 26, 2017 21:28:27 GMT
@privateinvestigator: Though I always loved Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Wonder Woman and the Bionic Woman, I never wanted to be them. If I'm assuming a role, it's BroShep. TBH, I was drawn to the MET specifically because I had heard that I could romance a guy in ME3. That was my main goal in my initial playthrough - first several, actually. I grew to love the entire series but would never have even bothered if I couldn't have my own personal canon. That's why I'm glad that BioWare has left it open.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 21:30:45 GMT
@privateinvestigator : Though I always loved Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Wonder Woman and the Bionic Woman, I never wanted to be them. If I'm assuming a role, it's BroShep. TBH, I was drawn to the MET specifically because I had heard that I could romance a guy in ME3. That was my main goal in my initial playthrough - first several, actually. I grew to love the entire series but would never have even bothered if I couldn't have my own personal canon. That's why I'm glad that BioWare has left it open. Yeah that makes sense I guess~ leave it open so everyone can have their own. But I just wanted it that way because most people don't think the books overwrite the games canon so then I could see my stuff but you could not worry ahout yours! But that doesn't work for everyone so not really...
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Post by pessimistpanda on Apr 26, 2017 21:55:57 GMT
I just ignore the novels. BioWare addressed this same issue with Dragon Age: Asunder. They have to pick a "canon" in order to write anything, but that doesn't invalidate your decisions in the games, so who cares.
That said, it sounds like a pointless detail that was only inserted for the sake of fan service? It's fine if you enjoy tidbits like that, I guess, but if it was me writing it, I wouldn't have bothered.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 28, 2017 6:23:51 GMT
I just ignore the novels. BioWare addressed this same issue with Dragon Age: Asunder. They have to pick a "canon" in order to write anything, but that doesn't invalidate your decisions in the games, so who cares. That said, it sounds like a pointless detail that was only inserted for the sake of fan service? It's fine if you enjoy tidbits like that, I guess, but if it was me writing it, I wouldn't have bothered. I agree with the first part of this post. I'm not sure why people get annoyed by this stuff, nor why people feel that their game saves are somehow sacred. (Not a shot at you or this thread, dmc1001 ). The novel's mentioning Wrex doesn't come across as fan service, in context. It's mentioned in giving Morda background. Why did she lead Clan Nakmor to Andromeda? Why not stay on Tuchanka? It fleshed out Morda and her decision.
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Post by cheeseandonion on Apr 28, 2017 10:42:23 GMT
No, because clearly they're confirming a Sheploo/Kaidan romance with high EMS Destroy ending. (Other details are irrelevant to me.) I mean i know theres no canon but it should be a girl since there aren't many strong women, and whatever Casey Hudson says he has no clue what he's talking about, everyone on youtube plays as a girl But if you play as femshep Captain Anderson doesn't call you 'son' just before he dies. :sob:
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Post by Psychevore on Apr 28, 2017 10:47:32 GMT
I mean i know theres no canon but it should be a girl since there aren't many strong women, and whatever Casey Hudson says he has no clue what he's talking about, everyone on youtube plays as a girl But if you play as femshep Captain Anderson doesn't call you 'son' just before he dies. :sob: Woulda been weird if he did
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Apr 28, 2017 20:43:55 GMT
In my playthrough he's not in charge. The majority of my playthroughs, I don't recruit him. I have had Ashley shoot him a couple of times. So much for your choices matter crap. That settles it. Destroy will be canon. ME4 will be released in 2022 that takes place in the Milky Way shortly after the events of ME3 I would buy this
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 21:24:11 GMT
I mean i know theres no canon but it should be a girl since there aren't many strong women, and whatever Casey Hudson says he has no clue what he's talking about, everyone on youtube plays as a girl But if you play as femshep Captain Anderson doesn't call you 'son' just before he dies. :sob: that would just be funny if he did. But how does Shepard even find out about that prayer from Thane? "Why did he say 'she'?"
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Post by themikefest on Apr 28, 2017 23:41:07 GMT
But if you play as femshep Captain Anderson doesn't call you 'son' just before he dies. :sob: He says child instead
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Post by cheeseandonion on Apr 28, 2017 23:44:00 GMT
But if you play as femshep Captain Anderson doesn't call you 'son' just before he dies. :sob: He says child instead That just sounds patronising.
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Post by indrexu on Apr 28, 2017 23:53:13 GMT
That just sounds patronising. "Son" doesn't sound patronizing? I don't get dudes.
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 29, 2017 23:27:17 GMT
I HATE when any game company that presents us with narrative choice chooses a canon role. I can understand it, somewhat. But for the love of God, if the game requires a character to act a certain way, don't make it a choice.
Additionally, I can't stand, when their game pushes a narrative choice as the somehow "correct" one. I thought BioWARE understood that when they took away the Paragon/Renegade bar, but I was mistaken.
I kill Wrex in my playthroughs. Mordin is too awesome and the story is infinitely better with Wreav in charge. And yet, everytime we talk to people, everyone can't stop talking about how sad it was that Wrex wasn't around, or it would have been better if Wrex was there. Wrex is so much better than Wreav. Likewise, Liara was never my friend, but I hate that Shepard is forced to be all buddy-buddy with her.
Inqusition was like that too: I was given no reason to support the templars, which was a shame because that mission is fantastic.
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