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Post by ZaudStorm™ on Apr 27, 2017 20:42:20 GMT
Assuming ME3 didn't have a Red, Blue, Green trash ending and only one ending which was destroying the Reapers, would the ME Series continue in the Milky Way?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 20:45:45 GMT
I liked it that you could chose the ending that you liked for each protagonist in ME3. It really helped to create a different protagonist each time.
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Post by Zemgus on Apr 27, 2017 20:50:53 GMT
I'll never understand people who complain about ME3's endings yet support the idea of there being only one canon ending.
I didn't like MEA very much, but I loved how the original trilogy ended and wouldn't change it for anything. BW can return to Milky Way whenever they want - maybe it just needs to take place in the past before the Reaper War (or even during it) if they decide to do it. Even in that timeline you can tell other smaller stories since the Galaxy is definitely big enough for it. I don't see how you can tell about the future without making the player choices of the original trilogy meaningless though - unless you go with the indoctrination theory or something like that.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 27, 2017 20:54:32 GMT
It would have stayed in the mwg most likely...then the question becomes would that be best for the series?
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 27, 2017 20:57:01 GMT
I firmly believe this project was set in motion specifically because BioWare needed to cheer fans up back in 2012 and create optimism for the franchise when everything was dark and gloomy after the ending. The announcement that "we're beginning to plan a new Mass Effect game" as it said on Twitter back in the end of 2012, as I remember, gave a sense of relief that not all was gone and not all ended on the whimper of ME3's ending.
...and that I believe is pretty much the reason this game was made. We'd have gotten another Mass Effect someday regardless but I think ME3's controversy made them rush getting another game in pre-production I think. In the interviews recorded days before ME3's release both Mac and Casey were very specific in that they didn't know if there was going to be more games and that at the time they only had ME3 on their minds at the time.
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 27, 2017 20:59:05 GMT
I think if there had been good ending options, and one had been overwhelmingly popular, then BW would have gone with that as the canon ending. Since the endings were mostly disliked, then they really had to find an alternate for 'em.
Not to mention the whole post-credits scene with the guy and the kid...........
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Post by tatarforas on Apr 27, 2017 21:24:14 GMT
Lol definitely not. The only reason MEA exists is because the endings created such a massive shitshow.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 27, 2017 21:27:25 GMT
I really don't know, for even with the endings making a continuation in the Milky Way next to impossible while not making a choice canon, I am not sure if they would want to remain there since I think a new game would feel even more like a rehash of the first three games.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 21:27:40 GMT
Of course not. Touching the endings would be opening up and old wound that hasn't fully healed yet and it would garner lots of attention from the gaming media aswell. The Mass Effect 3 ending is one of the biggest controversy within gaming, not just a small thing that was talked about around a fireplace. The irony of the situation however is that Andromeda got as much unwanted press as a canon ending would. So good going Bioware?
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Post by dm04 on Apr 27, 2017 22:12:05 GMT
I'll never understand people who complain about ME3's endings yet support the idea of there being only one canon ending. I didn't like MEA very much, but I loved how the original trilogy ended and wouldn't change it for anything. BW can return to Milky Way whenever they want - maybe it just needs to take place in the past before the Reaper War (or even during it) if they decide to do it. Even in that timeline you can tell other smaller stories since the Galaxy is definitely big enough for it. I don't see how you can tell about the future without making the player choices of the original trilogy meaningless though - unless you go with the indoctrination theory or something like that. Because we had a dozen different outcomes in each game that carried over, when the story is over, it does not have to have a final decision. Most people would be fine when reapers were just defeated and they got some closure as to their decisions they made (like what happened to krogan after genophage cured/not cured, or how did it work out with get/quarian). The problem(s) with ME3 ending begin with expectations. Folowing the events of ME and ME2, most (if not all) players expected to defeat the reapers at high cost. In the end we got 3 options, and we can argue about this for hundreds of years, and none actualy delivered what was expected. Some like the "twist" in this and like the ME3 ending and some do not and hate it. And no, BW can not return to the Milky Way, the three ending prevent it, it is quite impossible to account for all three different endings and make different story around them, so they would have to define a canon ending and that is like spitting everyone in the face (maybe in like 50 years when the people who played ME-ME3 are gone)... there is a difference between making Udina a council member canon and forcing "synthesis" if cou decided defeat. Also going to the past or a differen story in the trilogy timeline, not realy going to work. It is hard to sell a "hero" story when you actualy know the history, it would break immersion for a lot of people. And then, with the reapers gone, what is there to be done? There is nothing that can be as huge as the reapers. While MEA... we got the Jardaan, the people who attacked them, the kett, and while not reapers, their are huge enough, and the AI too small. So to answer the topic question: Nope, without ME3 endings, there would be no Andromeda. It would have stayed in the mwg most likely...then the question becomes would that be best for the series? Sure why not? The galaxy is nowhere close to the techlevel of the Protheans. Right now, I do not see why MEA would be any better.
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 27, 2017 22:15:39 GMT
Well there would have been a different threat, I'm sure. Just like any book sequel. It could have gone really dark, and had the Control ending be canon, and then the next great threat is Shepard
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 22:16:48 GMT
Well there would have been a different threat, I'm sure. Just like any book sequel. It could have gone really dark, and had the Control ending be canon, and then the next great threat is Shepard True, but have you read the concept for the Lord of the Rings sequel? Seemed kind of dull. How do you top Sauron? You can't and the same goes for the Reapers.
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Post by Rivercurse on Apr 27, 2017 22:19:58 GMT
Probably not, but ultimately what does it matter? We are where we are, and the fact that it has taken us 634 years to get here and likely many more years to conceivably get back again, Bioware are free to reconfigure and rebuild the Milky Way in any number of ways in order to best serve their future ideas.
We'll always have the trilogy, but we've got to let it go my friend. It's tough I know, but we gotta let it go now.
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 27, 2017 22:21:51 GMT
...It doesn't have to "top" the Reapers to be a threat that needs to be dealt with. Like I said, could be a Reaper Shepard gone mad. Could be Cerberus. Could be krogan fanatics revived the rachni and teamed up with them. Whether it's as fulfilling as the OT was would depend on the writing as much as the threat.
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 27, 2017 22:22:48 GMT
Well there would have been a different threat, I'm sure. Just like any book sequel. It could have gone really dark, and had the Control ending be canon, and then the next great threat is Shepard True, but have you read the concept for the Lord of the Rings sequel? Seemed kind of dull. How do you top Sauron? You can't and the same goes for the Reapers. Iluvatar could go mad. That'd be fun. I'd frankly find the threat of a Reaper Shepard to be absolutely terrifying.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 27, 2017 22:25:26 GMT
I chose no
I like the ending, the destroy ending that is. The green and blue.......whatever.
After the coup, the player learns the crucible has enough energy to destroy the reapers, just didn't know how that energy would be dispersed. There's your ending right there.
Once the arms to the Citadel are fully opened, the crucible fires its bag of goodies all over the galaxy destroying the reapers. What that does is it gets rid of the magic carpet up to la-la land. It gets rid of the thing taking the form of a human child. It gets rid of the comments, "you do not know them, and there's not enough time to explain" and "synthesis is the final evolution of all life". It gets rid of the pull this, shoot that and jump in here endings.
A sequel can be about investigating why they did what they did or have it similar to what MEA is except in the Milky Way. A sequel also be about how the galaxy rebuilds and what obstacles it faces while rebuilding
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 27, 2017 22:28:26 GMT
Yeah like, if Destroy is canon, then the next great threat could be that the geth (or whatever synthetic they decide on) actually does try to destroy all organic life. Oops!
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 27, 2017 22:45:50 GMT
I chose no I like the ending, the destroy ending that is. The green and blue.......whatever. After the coup, the player learns the crucible has enough energy to destroy the reapers, just didn't know how that energy would be dispersed. There's your ending right there. Once the arms to the Citadel are fully opened, the crucible fires its bag of goodies all over the galaxy destroying the reapers. What that does is it gets rid of the magic carpet up to la-la land. It gets rid of the thing taking the form of a human child. It gets rid of the comments, "you do not know them, and there's not enough time to explain" and "synthesis is the final evolution of all life". It gets rid of the pull this, shoot that and jump in here endings. A sequel can be about investigating why they did what they did or have it similar to what MEA is except in the Milky Way. A sequel also be about how the galaxy rebuilds and what obstacles it faces while rebuilding Technically, isn't this canonized MEHEM rather than canonized Destroy? As for the poll, I voted yes, because continuing the choices was unworkable even before we got to the ending. You'd need to rewrite the Tuchanka and Rannoch arcs to keep going.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 27, 2017 22:52:34 GMT
Technically, isn't this canonized MEHEM rather than canonized Destroy? Is it? I wasn't thinking about the mod.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 27, 2017 22:54:45 GMT
Yes, I think so. Details might have differed, but just having the wildly different story arcs necessitated moving out of the galaxy, assuming BioWare would be steadfast in not making any major retcons to the final outcome(s) of the game.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 22:58:51 GMT
I'm inclined to say yes.
See, with the Reapers gone the Mass Effect universe essentially reached it's conclusion, it's mysteries are solved. Bioware would struggle coming up with narrative that would do the events of the trilogy justice, not to mention they still would have to deal with the variables in the choices made in the Tuchanka and Rannoch plot lines. Bioware got out of the Milky way for much more than just the ending controversy.
Granted, I would say a story about rebuilding the galaxy could be potentially very interesting sequal material, again it would come at the cost of neglecting at least some the decisions made in the trilogy, another issue I forsee is the invetiable rise of another galactic threat of somekind.
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Post by bakgrind on Apr 27, 2017 23:05:33 GMT
I firmly believe this project was set in motion specifically because BioWare needed to cheer fans up back in 2012 and create optimism for the franchise when everything was dark and gloomy after the ending. The announcement that "we're beginning to plan a new Mass Effect game" as it said on Twitter back in the end of 2012, as I remember, gave a sense of relief that not all was gone and not all ended on the whimper of ME3's ending. ...and that I believe is pretty much the reason this game was made. We'd have gotten another Mass Effect someday regardless but I think ME3's controversy made them rush getting another game in pre-production I think. In the interviews recorded days before ME3's release both Mac and Casey were very specific in that they didn't know if there was going to be more games and that at the time they only had ME3 on their minds at the time. I don't really think that was the sole reason that Andromeda was made. I think it had more to do with EA asking Bioware at the time " What do you currently have in production that that is not SWTOR, Dragon Age and Mass effect"? And the answer at that time was nothing more than those 3 titles. And at the time of ME 3 release SWTOR was a failing title. I suspect that EA saw how popular the series is and that it should continue to be produced and that it would be a money maker for the brand.
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Post by malgus on Apr 27, 2017 23:07:01 GMT
Well I would say that is what happens when an ending change things way too much. I do love the extended cut of ME 3 ending, but since the galaxy changes completely depending on your choice with the crucible, the only possible way to do a sequel is to either pick a canon ending or put the plot in a complete different location.
That is why its a risky thing to do multiple ending that goes in every direction because the more it changes, the more difficult it is to do a sequel in the same location without imposing something to the player no matter his previous choice.
I don't think ME 3 extended cut endings are a mess (the original endings were on the other end), but the fact that they change the galaxy completely putted two option for Bioware, pick a canon ending or do it in an other galaxy.
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 27, 2017 23:23:51 GMT
Well that's sort of the point. If their ending had been better written, maybe the galaxy wouldn't be irreversibly different in such colorful ways, and a sequel could still have taken place there.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 27, 2017 23:28:03 GMT
Technically, isn't this canonized MEHEM rather than canonized Destroy? Is it? I wasn't thinking about the mod. It's pretty much what MEHEM does, last I heard. Though I never played that mod myself; it doesn't solve any problems I have, and it makes some things worse.
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