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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 11, 2024 16:43:45 GMT
The attack sequences we saw I imagine are just the auto attacking done in a more stylistic way. DA2 I recall had you basically doing animated auto attack loops such as the daggers swapping which hand was stabbing and the two handed one ending with a sweep. Staves did the left shot, right shot, spin shot, and then the ground slam big hit. So what we saw was just basically auto attacks ending with a flourish (rogue does the jump with double cross-cut stab) with the occasional bow (you couldn't do this in DAI so it's cool to see weapon loadouts) and special abilities, and unlike DA2 you have an inbuilt movement ability (in DAI you had to invest in the ability like Fade Step). The main character (rogue) used shadow step. Neve floated backwards with a Fade-step like ability. I imagine everyone will have the default dodge ability that lets you sidestep/strafe. I'm curious if our allies will have to be ordered around after the tutorial so they don't die due to bad positioning, or if they're basically invulnerable and acting as support units with the main character doing most of the damage/dodging. I dunno, I thought I saw a couple of "heavy" attacks, like the jumping double stab move. If the game does the standard light/heavy attack we see in most action games, I hope every type of weapon and combination of weapons have their own unique combo chains. From what we saw though, I'm not counting on it. The double jump stab move is what I mentioned as being one of the possible flourishes we can do. In DA2 I vividly remember basic auto attack animations having a series of light attacks with a final flourish heavy attack that does double the damage. I don't remember DAI having that... but I didn't play as much DAI as DA2. There *could* be a light/heavy attack button but I couldn't see resources to be able to tell.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 11, 2024 16:34:29 GMT
The attack sequences we saw I imagine are just the auto attacking done in a more stylistic way. DA2 I recall had you basically doing animated auto attack loops such as the daggers swapping which hand was stabbing and the two handed one ending with a sweep. Staves did the left shot, right shot, spin shot, and then the ground slam big hit flourish.
So what we saw was just basically auto attacks ending with a flourish (rogue does the jump with double cross-cut stab) with the occasional bow (you couldn't do this in DAI so it's cool to see weapon loadouts) and special abilities, and unlike DA2 you have an inbuilt movement ability (in DAI you had to invest in the ability like Fade Step). The main character (rogue) used shadow step. Neve floated backwards with a Fade-step like ability. I imagine everyone will have the default dodge ability that lets you sidestep/strafe.
I'm curious if our allies will have to be ordered around after the tutorial so they don't KO due to bad positioning, or if they're basically invulnerable and acting as support units with the main character doing most of the damage/surviving.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 11, 2024 16:08:03 GMT
Well, I saw it. Doesn't feel remotely like Dragon Age. Too much wrong here. Start with the third person hack and slash dodge be quick... Just no. Writing feels off as well. Why would you not brief a guy before you head into something like this? Why explain things on the fly? Nah. I'm sorry, but that's hard no from me. Not when we have Kingdom Come coming this year. Guess it's been good, but I suppose time's come to go. I'm no longer "a real fan" according to some of y'all anyway. You can feel what you want but this is just Dragon Age 2 and Dragon Age Inquisition combat but in a more fluid way. The main class being played was rogue. It has always been this animated and flashy. I imagine the as a mage you'll probably do the Fade Step (?) I think it was called if you wanna dodge abilities and use main staff attack with an ability loadout. Kinda like Inquisition. I agree it's not Dragon Age Origins but it hasnt been that since.... Origins, though we are getting origins!
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 11, 2024 16:00:53 GMT
Am I crazy or did Solas not give any antagonist vibes? I feel like he might actually be on our side against the Evanuris? Explains the "Veil-jumpers" siding with us given that they're probably Solas' elves. I guess Solas has summoned the real baddies i assume Falon'Din and Elgar'nan? Solas is more of an anti-antagonist. But i don´t think that Solas like Varric will survive this game. It could mean anything. Solas could just be setting aside his ambitions until this threat is dealt with, or maybe he could be convinced to stop or even killed at the end as the ultimate boss if you didn't get his "approval" up enough or something. It just doesn't feel like he's being set up as the primary antagonist. Might explain the name change too. Perhaps they thought the name didn't accurately reflect the story beats.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 11, 2024 15:58:22 GMT
lmao this comment
@mistardmuster 30 minutes ago Solas after they drop a building on him: WHAT IN THE SWEET HELLS WERE YOU THINKING I WAS RIGHT THERE
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 11, 2024 15:53:31 GMT
There was a notification that popped up that said that companions' powers were locked at that portion of the game. Thanks but this wouldn´t change the impression that Veilguard from gameplay is more like Mass Effect than previous Dragon Age. Aka we can´t move to Harding or Neve and play as one of them to attack Enemy B and then Enemy C. It's definitely more like Mass Effect but I'd say it already has been mostly the case even in Dragon Age Inquisition where controlling party members wasn't particularly useful outside of commanding them to do certain abilities against certain creatures which you can pretty much do here. Just select their combat ability while targeting the enemy you want them to hit.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 11, 2024 15:51:45 GMT
Am I crazy or did Solas not give any antagonist vibes? I feel like he might actually be on our side against the Evanuris? Explains the "Veil-jumpers" siding with us given that they're probably Solas' elves.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 11, 2024 15:44:56 GMT
Tbh I feel mage gameplay is gonna be amazing in this game. I need to see it for myself, especially if there's a knight-enchanter/battlemage/vanguard type I can play.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 11, 2024 15:39:15 GMT
So three abilities for Rook and each companion to choose from judging from the wheel? Very controller friendly. It looked good! The combat seemed a bit weightless. Swing, swing, dodge back, use ability. And the good old potion limitation seems to be back. Had to smile at the beginning with demons rampaging everywhere but everyone kept talking calmly (and the demons kindly ate someone else in the meanwhile). Still, leagues better than that character trailer. Tbf this is rogue. It's always been jump crazy in the games. Dragon Age 2 had you constantly doing backflips lol. I imagine warrior is more grounded and mage is more cast-y.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 11, 2024 15:29:31 GMT
I *need* to see warrior combat. I imagine it's less jumping around and more bashing people's heads in with a shield or two hander and I can't wait to see that.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 11, 2024 15:28:51 GMT
Not into the combat. My boy Varric. So many bad omens. Also still 100% ridiculous to have 4 random joe after Solas. This is Varric. He's not random. He's the only one who knows about him. We're the ones he's tasked to help him talk to Solas, which is why he's the "main character" in this sequence and is the one that talks to Solas.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 11, 2024 15:27:40 GMT
Well Gameplay i know first hour but lets say i play this game not for the gameplay. And can we even command Harding and Neve? One of the pauses showed that you can issue commands to them but it was disabled in the tutorial sequence. Not sure why it was disabled for the gameplay trailer since it would be cool but I imagine it's similar to just choosing your own ability.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 11, 2024 14:51:12 GMT
Still at the hospital with my partner. Guess I'll be coming in late for this. Wish you two well.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 11, 2024 12:11:15 GMT
Opened the gameplay trailer on Youtube a bit early, and the comments have me in stitches.
It's either people really excited for the game, or people talking about how the game appeals to the girls and the gays and is too woke.
I wish I was exaggerating lmao
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 11, 2024 2:16:02 GMT
Yeah really tempted to roll an Elf Crow first. Which means Lucanis is sol if I do.
Mage class is my 1st play through. Not sure which faction to choose. I'm assuming Warden and Crow is out. Maybe the Shadow Dragon or Lords of Fortune????
Wardens have mages.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 11, 2024 1:49:59 GMT
I'm usually drawn to make a human warrior with noble intentions and a sense of duty. So possibly a good faction for my Rook would be the Grey Wardens which means I will probably never take Davrin around- which I'm fine with. He seems the least interesting as far as dialogue goes anyway. I can see myself taking Lucanis and Harding around everywhere, switching out with Bellara now and then. Might swing with the Crows if it means I get better and more interesting dialogue with Lucanis, especially if romance is involved. I'll probably just do the thing where I rotate them around based on what makes sense for the mission. Not too worried about having two warrior Grey Wardens if the mission suits it. Will just have to make sure I bring a mage (Neve) or archer (Bellara/Harding) as support.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 11, 2024 1:47:15 GMT
If we can be a Grey Warden (I think I read we can) then that's what my first run will be. Too iconic.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 10, 2024 20:41:08 GMT
Technically true. But let's be real. What we saw on Dragon Age social media yesterday is not organic. No matter what they did, it was going to lead to massive negative reception because it's BioWare. I have never seen anything like it. It's been a decade. No way this is real. Someone joked about it before but it's kinda true, in that BioWare as a company might be straight up doomed in the PR department because it has such an overwhelming negative perception from people who hate "woke" shit. If I want to be cynical, the only one to diminish that is to straight up "appease" that base, by giving us busty sexy female characters and hardass white male manly man fighters. Do we really wanna do that though? That isn't nessassary. You only need to distracked them from the companion. Make a trailer where fighting is the highlight not the companions.
Show the enemies so straight male can hype over that. The woke people can only bash, if to little people like it.
Tomorrow's trailer should be it.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 10, 2024 16:36:05 GMT
Love me some husky MC voice. (does anyone recognise the VA? Probably not, but still might as well ask) He sounded so good. I'm obsessed. I miss a voiced protagonist after BG3's silent protagonist (my biggest complaint in the game given how much I love their Voice 3).
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 10, 2024 14:33:01 GMT
Technically true. But let's be real. What we saw on Dragon Age social media yesterday is not organic. No matter what they did, it was going to lead to massive negative reception because it's BioWare. I have never seen anything like it. It's been a decade. No way this is real. Someone joked about it before but it's kinda true, in that BioWare as a company might be straight up doomed in the PR department because it has such an overwhelming negative perception from people who hate "woke" shit. If I want to be cynical, the only one to diminish that is to straight up "appease" that base, by giving us busty sexy female characters and hardass white male manly man fighters. Do we really wanna do that though?
Bio is supposed to do what's best for Bio. The studio said it supports the rainbow coloured flag. However, the Lord and Master is EA and sooner or later Bio must appease the boss = make money = the investors.
Survival of the studio = success. If changes need to be made, am of the opinion that, woke or not, a course correction may become necessary. Imo, at this point it's unnecessary but Bio needs to be aware of public sentiments. Of course, as long as Bio = successful, the studio won't give a rats ass about public sentiment.
Fair.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 10, 2024 14:23:54 GMT
Technically true. But let's be real. What we saw on Dragon Age social media yesterday is not organic. No matter what they did, it was going to lead to massive negative reception because it's BioWare. I have never seen anything like it. It's been a decade. No way this is real. Someone joked about it before but it's kinda true, in that BioWare as a company might be straight up doomed in the PR department because it has such an overwhelming negative perception from people who hate "woke" shit. If I want to be cynical, the only one to diminish that is to straight up "appease" that base, by giving us busty sexy female characters and hardass white male manly man fighters. Do we really wanna do that though? While I do get your point, I think a good portion of the criticism is due the direction and tone of the trailer. To be clear I'm not diminishing people's opinions if they are in good faith. Even I have my reservations. I will say that I expected people who are very familiar with Bioware to show a bit more benefit of the doubt given that we know how trailers do not correlate to their Dragon Age games at all. The marketing after all is definitely not directed at them.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 10, 2024 14:06:46 GMT
No, yeah, I agree that tonally it was jarring in terms of what many may have been expecting in terms of continuity of the other trailers and tone. But. BUT. A lot of the other trailers have already done some heavy lifting to set the tone and stakes. Heavy blah blah blah fate of the world blah blah etc. So in some respects this is some levity in what has otherwise been a very serious series of trailers. Things can't be all heavy all of the time. BioWare games have always had humor in their stories even when dealing with really heavy subject matter, so it's not a dramatic departure imo. I'm confident the game is gonna be dark af.. The Horrors of Hormak live rent free in my head. You know that, and I know that, people that have been closely following the game for years know that, but the average member of the general audience or even RPG fans generally has never read Tevinter Nights and has probably forgotten those trailers. So absent other context this trailer comes across as very light and low stakes. Perhaps a cheeky companion reveal was not the best idea, but BioWare games have always been companions first and plot second. The main story has just been a common purpose. I'd argue Mass Effect does that too, tho even I think ME has the better main plot. DAI, the game that focused on plot more than companions, is arguably the weakest entry in the series.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 10, 2024 14:03:43 GMT
I think if they just renamed the trailer to '' Meet Your Companions '' or something, it probably would've gone over better. Now it reads as THE trailer for the game itself, when it's... not really that? Technically true. But let's be real. What we saw on Dragon Age social media yesterday is not organic. No matter what they did, it was going to lead to massive negative reception because it's BioWare. I have never seen anything like it. It's been a decade. No way this is real. Someone joked about it before but it's kinda true, in that BioWare as a company might be straight up doomed in the PR department because it has such an overwhelming negative perception from people who hate "woke" shit. If I want to be cynical, the only one to diminish that is to straight up "appease" that base, by giving us busty sexy female characters and hardass white male manly man fighters. Do we really wanna do that though?
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 10, 2024 14:00:40 GMT
I want to see hair styles, beards. Can bio deliver?
God I hope so. I will say that Dav's hairstyle makes me hopeful. It looks pretty authentic.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 10, 2024 3:19:14 GMT
Honestly these posts reminding me why I quit DA social media. Imagine waiting a decade only to complain about a trailer's tone. Not gonna let sad people affect my perspective of the game. Learned the lesson from MEA. I'm not out to get the game, and for the record, I liked MEA overall. I'm not some hater saying I'm underwhelmed to get my hate on. I'm saying it cus its true. Sorry if you feel like its peeing on your parade. You can do and say what you want. I'm not your parent. I'm just not going to participate in this discussion any further than I already have because it has no bearing on the actual game and all it's doing is creating miasma over a game before it had a chance to say hello.
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