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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 31, 2017 13:50:14 GMT
Bull is typical that man (for me, ofc), whom I need to know, for find his charm. At first, I didn't find him attractive. (But I didn't even found attractive Fenris at first –from other reasons–, I'm into the "classical beauty", my type is Anders, for example, who is really far from Bull.) Generally wrt video games attractiveness is a secondary concern for me just cuz I don't need to be attracted to them, my characters do. I evaluate looks along with everything else and if my character is down with it's cool. For Bull he looks like someone who took a flail to the face on account of he is someone who took a flail to the face, not necessarily something a sheltered Circle mage would want to wake up next to but barely even comment-worthy for a qunari mercenary. That is a LIE.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 31, 2017 13:44:02 GMT
Bull isn't attractive, Sten is average/forgettable looking, Arishok was good looking in a much constipated broody kinda way and we couldn't see Ketojan's face lol. But they all were grand and mysterious, while IB's appearance is mundane and so is his character. What was appealing about Sten, Arishok and Ketojan was the air of mystique, and the way they were straight out of the high fantasy & were highly romanticized characters. Bull looks and sounds like he is from a bar; he is an aging reprobate with an offer of casual "sex" and some kinky stuff on top of it to "spice" it up, rather than a Romance. I don't play video games' romances to get what's locally available and dime-a-dozen. In short, while I do not agree with the OP's wording or his take on Cassandra, I would very much want to see back the romances of the DAO and DA2 style, with the highly romanticized characters. In fact, I do think that males do get those in DAI, with Dorian and Cassandra... just not the female PCs of non-elven extraction. Hahahahahahahah HAHHAHAAHHAH AHHAHHAHAHAHAH Let's see Iron Bull - A dragon-orc-bull person who was brainwashed by a cult, now serving the Inquisition who he will betray if you don't force him out of his culty family, then you fall in love with each other adding a layer of confusion and distress to Bull's situation of him trying to figure out who he is and where his loyalty stands. You will have to kill him if you didn't save him from the Qun, and he wall stand by your side, loyal, if you did. Romance starts out as fun and casual, but it develops into something much more, for both of you, if you let it. Dorian Pavus - Some human noble with daddy issues and commitment problems. Relationship is all about him him him, you strum to to the beat of his drum, he does what he pleases and kills any kind of romance with his '' SASSINESS '' and uses it as a defense mechanism at any given time. When you do something reckless, he pouts and whines, when he does something uncalled for and selfish, he just goes all sassy bitch and does everything to make the Inquisitor look like some kind of emotionally needy, clingy asshole. Such romance, huh. Disclaimer: Both romances are pretty meh for my taste, and I'm sure you can make Bull's romance sound bad, even worse if you describe it like how I did with Dorian. BUT, to say that Dorian's romance is romanticized and more romantic? Nu-uh, no freaking way, nope.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 31, 2017 1:49:21 GMT
You know, speaking of ugly companions like the title alludes Cassandra being. Can I please romance an ugly bi/gay man in DA4? WHAT COULD HAVE BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN I want to be the beauty to someone's beast, please. I want to be the Prince(ss) Peach to someone's Bowser. Because we all know beast was hotter as beast and Bowser is a sex symbol. Bull was not enough? Was *insert a companion here that fits something you want more of here* not enough? :heh:
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 30, 2017 23:10:18 GMT
You know, speaking of ugly companions like the title alludes Cassandra being. Can I please romance an ugly bi/gay man in DA4? WHAT COULD HAVE BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN I want to be the beauty to someone's beast, please. I want to be the Prince(ss) Peach to someone's Bowser. Because we all know beast was hotter as beast and Bowser is a sex symbol.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 30, 2017 18:14:47 GMT
I know Bioware kind of set themselves up as a dating sim at this point, and it's fun to speculate, but I feel like some people take this a tad too seriously. If each player has at least one option regardless of orientation without one orientation obviously favored over the others, then I'll be happy. If none of them appeal to me personally, I'll just have to deal. The only thing Dragon Age has over other RPGs is companions and romance, but everywhere else they are just average (to me). If TES6 manages to make romances work (and give them set sexualities) then I can honestly say Dragon Age will take a backseat to single player RPGs.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 30, 2017 17:12:32 GMT
Gays and lesbians should have the most options in DA4 Disclaimer: I do not support the idea of giving less to other people (out of spite or otherwise), or imply that quantity > quality. So don't nag me okay?! I literally only want a fem qunari. You can have all other options but just throw me that bone I'm sure there will be a fem qunari, but whether she is available men and/or women remains to be seen. The constant bitching and moaning by male players about Cassandra being a man and ugly has probably annoyed the dev team to the point of not wanting to add an even vaguely butch female character to the straight man's dating pool (tall, muscular women included). Of course, that really depends on if they'll be more faithful to DA:I adaption of qunari or the comic adaption (where they are just sexy elves with horns, women that is). But either way, count your blessings. And I say that to all the gay men who want a gay KISA, as well. DA:I didn't have an male elf romance for gays and there hasn't been a gay elf yet. And it's not like the devs are going to NOT give the women a knightly romance, lol, so at most you (or rather we) are getting a bi KISA, AT MOST. Or then I'm just completely wrong about everything.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 30, 2017 9:26:34 GMT
Gays and lesbians should have the most options in DA4 Disclaimer: I do not support the idea of giving less to other people (out of spite or otherwise), or imply that quantity > quality. So don't nag me okay?!
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 29, 2017 18:50:15 GMT
Morrowind and Skyrim are a better immersive roleplaying experience for me, while Oblivion is more of a comfy, fun game that you can't really take seriously. It's mostly the cartooney artstyle of Oblivion that really fucks with me, although I love it (for all the wrong reasons).
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 29, 2017 18:47:20 GMT
Not to discredit your annoyance but I think only lesbians have been devoid of romances with a bunch of drama, deceit, lies and '' bad '' endings when it comes to Dragon Age. Especially in DA:I where the biggest hurdle really is Sera's close-mindedness and that's pretty much it. And I know some lesbians really would like some drama, hopefully they get it in DA4!
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 29, 2017 14:41:22 GMT
2. Do you ever regret making mages such a big focus in the DA world setting? I really like this question. Because of the way magic works, and how it's connected to the player classes, it's difficult to have story segregated from the gameplay, especially when it comes to things like races (dwarves can't use magic), lyrium addiction, or reactivity. I think may mage players in DA2 were a bit put off at the lack of reactivity to your class. While some of it is down to lack of resources and time, not ALL of it. They haven't shown a willingness to have vastly different player experience for things based on class or race. But, you know, even with these technical hurdles, I'm quite pleased that they did have it this way. I think it gives Dragon Age a unique flavor from other fantasy settings with magic, especially with the duality of the mages being downtrodden in the South, while they are in power in Tevinter. Those two states make for interesting storytelling. They did. You may not like the answer given, but it was explained. In Tevinter, the nobility has a high emphasis on presentation and expectation, as well as a focus on marriage and breeding to produce "the perfect mage," so homosexual behavior is discouraged if it interferes with those things. If you can keep it behind closed doors and do your duty, they don't care. Dorian outright says "it's accepted" but adds the caveat that it must be for pleasure only, no more. Since Dorian is nobility, the focus was on that aspect of it for him, but I doubt the normal folks in Tevinter view it the same way. Why would they? So really, it's only among that specific social class. That is the explanation given, both in game by Dorian, in the Sexuality in Thedas codex, as well as by the devs themselves in forum posts. Regarding mages, it just makes picking the mage class, you are trodden with lore baggage, very HEAVY lore baggage, when all I want is to cast spells and not have to have a political stance on mages. Picking a race can have lore baggage because it doesn't really affect gameplay much, but picking your class does. And what sucks even more that there's no different culture between different kind of mages, at least it's not emphasized enough. No matter what specialization you pick, you are just a mage, nothing else, you are as ostracized/oppressed or celebrated as any other kind of mage. And honestly, I just want to be a druid, but I can't. Yes, but that's just Tevinter. How do you explain the difference between Orlais and Ferelden, for instance? Especially Orlais, where it seems to just be seen as a quirk, nothing else.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 29, 2017 8:25:24 GMT
More facial hair options. I do not understand why it is so hard to add just a small goatee and in general very basic facial hair styles.. I'm also going to need eyebrows, the hair AND beard all have different color sliders. More colors would be cool as well, and a pure black color would be preferred as well over the current grayish black/offblack.
Facial hair for elves please ;; You can already give an elf a slight 5'o'clock shadow!
More hair options, obviously. Instead of 10000 different bald hairs, please add more short hairstyles. In general sensible, tame hairstyles would be nice, in addition to longer and more exotic ones.
More normal eyebrow styles. It was hard not to choose from the 4 most vanilla looking eyebrow styles, because the rest looked awkward and just really wild.
More options to decorate your face (and body). Blemishes, scars, burn marks, tattoos, markings, freckles. Piercings would be cool too.
Fitness/muscle slider. I'm fine with not being able to change your body, but I think you could at least add a slider for how toned your character is, mostly in the torso area. I don't think it'd cause much issue with clipping, especially if the changes are mostly just adding shading/shadows to your characters model to showcase his six pack and such.
These just from the top of my head.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 28, 2017 21:44:53 GMT
1. Do you have any plans on making qunari and elves look less like big humans and slender humans? 2. Do you ever regret making mages such a big focus in the DA world setting? 3. How do you explain the difference in attitude towards homosexuality in different areas of Thedas? 4. Why can't elves grow facial hair? They'd be hot with facial hair...
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 28, 2017 20:42:10 GMT
As long as everyone can have sexy armor, I don't see the problem. DA:I armor sucked donkey doodoo, they were so uninspiring, bland, gross, lame, boring, shit that I had to install mods to look pretty. I just wanna look pretty...
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 28, 2017 20:24:22 GMT
*sweats as he fantasizes of slutty, pretty, unpractical armor for DA4*
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 28, 2017 15:54:01 GMT
Blackwall is the hottest companion across all the Dragon Age games. Just seeing his romanced tarot card makes me hot and bothered. Those amazing pectorals and those big dark nipples.. goddamn. I'd give all the male companions to women if I could just get my Blackwall. But I RESPECT his god given sexuality and he'll be my best friend instead. GREAT.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 28, 2017 6:57:26 GMT
*already uses no cooldowns/infinite stamina & mana cheat and spams rogue's shadowstep to travel across the map, or warrior's charging bull (with light on your feet upgrade), or mage's fade step and ring of doubt + faster movement speed while in stealth + spamming search while in combat so that you stay in combat and stealthed* if it's another open world game, good mobility is required. DA:I was a goddamn slog.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 28, 2017 3:29:38 GMT
Iron Bull is really close to my type, and he is really just hot as balls. But despite this, I've grown to not enjoy his romance much, and my canon Inquisitor is single despite Iron Bull's amazing looks. So I think it's a really short-sighted to put the attractiveness of a character ahead of their content. Sure a character may look like they jumped out of your wet dreams and into your vidya games, but they might be a complete dud romance and plot-wise. But I think a balding drug addict is attractive so my preferences are weird and my standards are hella low. Oh, baby :hearteyes:
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 27, 2017 8:00:08 GMT
Can someone else who is more articulate with their words point out all the things wrong with this sentence? Because I think I'm gonna go mental. I'm not all that articulate, but I'll try Much as I did personally prefer having 4 bisexual love interests in DA2,** doing something similar in DAI would have lost us the meat of Dorian's story. His fight against blood magic and the estrangement from his family would have had a very different meaning if it hadn't been for Dorian's father trying to make him straight using blood magic. It was pretty important for Dorian to be gay and not playersexual or bisexual. **That said, having LI's that are not bisexual has forced me to play male protagonists sometimes, which I might not have done had I been able to romance everyone I wanted to as a female. Variety is good, I suppose? Edit: Nevermind, you responded while I was typing. I appreciate you for trying! I do! BUT, here's the thing, it's not even about Dorian's backstory. It could be easily replaced with '' but daaaad, I don't want to marry a woman I DO NOT LOVE and subject my OWN FLESH AND BLOOD to the horrendous dragon pit that is Tevinter, I'm running away and I'm gonna marry a woman or a man whom I love and have a kid on raise them on my own terms! BYE! '' Hell, I do not like Dorian much and I think his whole story stinks doodoo... but it's so important that he is gay, not because of his plot, but because, while maybe completely shallow, representation and characters with unique traits, along with their own sexualities (in a game where romance is a thing) is important. Not to everyone, but to some. So to take that tiny bit of '' represenation '' and inclusiveness out just for the convenience of a group that already gets catered pretty well inside this particular franchise while giving nothing back to those you are taking away from, is just complete garbage. '' Just imagine that he is gay '' does not cut it, when he is in fact not gay anymore. I'm very possessive of gays in gaming because we get so so so so so so so little... even gays I don't like much, such as Dorian lol.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 27, 2017 7:39:24 GMT
Blackwall I can see. On paper he looks fine. I'm not really sure why he didn't work all that well in the end. (That's sort of how I feel about NWN/HotU's Nathyrra.) Nathyrra was pretty cute tho. For a male player character Dorian will play as a gay character, so there is nothing lost there. Blackwall, yeah, i’d absolutely cut his character as redundant. Cullen is better conceptually and belongs in the story. That's not really how bisexuality works, and Dorian being gay is integral to his character. There's a reason he won't be siring an heir for his father anytime soon. It's not even about the '' being gay is integral to Dorian '' but the pretense that gay men should just be fine with bisexual male characters in terms of m/m representation and romances, basically saying that gay/lesbian players are secondary, and it's not like bisexual characters are ever made with lesbians or gays in mind. I don't like that. Nathyrra's portrait was the one I used most frequently on my female NWN characters :ulikeit:
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 27, 2017 7:18:14 GMT
First you want to remove the only gay man from the game, then you want to remove the best boy Blackwall? You are a monster! For a male player character Dorian will play as a gay character, so there is nothing lost there. Blackwall, yeah, i’d absolutely cut his character as redundant. Cullen is better conceptually and belongs in the story. Can someone else who is more articulate with their words point out all the things wrong with this sentence? Because I think I'm gonna go mental.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 27, 2017 7:03:33 GMT
No it's not. A compromise involves both sides giving part of something they want up to reach a result where both sides get at least some of what they want. Having Dorian made bi is not a compromise since only one side is having to sacrifice something while the other side(in this case you) gives up nothing. Well, in practice, I sacrifice the cutscene quality in order to enjoy the PT I want. In theory, I would have sacrificed the additional romances if I was given the choice. Farewell, Blackwall, my exclusive straight guy! Seriously, I am very much in favor of 4 bi solution. They did it so well. Whatever they would have done in DAI, whomever they would have picked, I would not have complained if they did it that way. You only perceive loss because it was not done that way, and now it will never be done. First you want to remove the only gay man from the game, then you want to remove the best boy Blackwall? You are a monster! :srs:
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 26, 2017 19:35:21 GMT
I get why the Gay Knight in Shining Armor is popular; it's closer to Fantasy Classic, it would be a nice change from the morally ambiguous Love Interests, and LGBTQ people want to see themselves reflected in important, righteous and well adjusted heroes. However, a lot of what I'm seeing in this narrative is some wanting Gay KISAs who are super idealized, with no flaws to the point that they're no longer recognizably human. Dragon Age has never been some Saturday Morning Cartoon; right from the beginning we all knew that the franchise was a dark and adult story with complex characters and situations, and no easy answers. So here's a few questions: 1. How exactly do you justify these theoretical Gay KISAs remaining uncorruptable and untouchable without completely breaking the series lore and internal logic? Especially in Tevinter, one of deadliest and most chaotic cultures in Thedas, where idealists eventually end compromised, broken or dead? 2. If your answer to the above is, "I don't care if it makes sense or not, I want my perfect and mandatory Gay KISA", why are you even following a series known for dark and complex themes, and where no one if safe to begin with? 3. If the GKISA starts and remains noble and flawless, where are the growth character arcs? What's the point in following their story if they are same person at the end that they were at the beginning? 4. If the character is to be three dimensional and interesting, what flaws would be acceptable without claiming Bioware "soiled" them or "tricked" you? 5. What potential negative consequences could their Companion quests have that would be realistic and fitting to their story? 6. If your position is "we need mandatory GKISAs to balance the scales", have you forgotten that NONE of the straight KISAs were ideal? - Cassandra could be a zealously intolerant bully. - Thom Rainer was a liar who murdered innocent civilians and betrayed his men. - Sebastian was wishy washy and willing to go to war over his own personal feelings. - Aveline butt into peoples' lives whether they wanted her help or not, hypocritically ignored her friends' crimes, and was possibly mildly racist towards elves. - And everyone's favorite for this trope, Alistair, was the absolute worst; a whiny manchild who abandons his responsibility as the ranking officer, potentially allows you to sacrifice Isolde or Connor, defile Andraste's ashes, keep the Anvil of the Void, wipe out the Dalish and sell the Denerim Elves into slavery, among other things. It's only when his need for vengeance is challenged that he betrays the Wardens during a Blight. Oh, and since this is a romance thread, don't forget how he dumps you unless you're a female human noble. Don't get me wrong, I've enjoyed all of these characters' stories, but I enjoyed them because they were deeply flawed and believable. Just needed to remind everyone the notion of DA's previous straight KISAs as idealized being objectively false. Why should any GKISA's tales be any less complex and fulfilling? 7. Why are some people so obsessed with the notion that making a GKISA mandatory is the only way to stop homophobes from opposing them? As if bigotry is the only reason someone might not want the character? Off the top of my head, I can think several reasons not to recruit or kick out a KISA, straight or gay, that have nothing to do with orientation: - The player is roleplaying a ruthless Magister, and a Paragon KISA would be a threat to their ambition. -Conversely, the player is radical revolutionary who wants to immediately and violently overthrow the Imperium, and the KISA is just too damn soft. - The player agrees with sensibly and slowly reforming Tevinter and/or the Qun, but considers the KISA dangerously naïve. - The player just doesn't like their personality, considering them obnoxious, judgmental, condescending, hypocritical and/or boring. - The player prefers another character the KISA fights with. - The player doesn't care for their Voice Actor. - The player is going for the same class build, and considers them redundant. Nobody is campaigning for an absolutely flawless perfect character... I'm not sure why you think that? Why gays are requesting a gay KISA so much is mainly because Alistair and Cullen, both very popular characters amongst gay men, who both happen to be straight and pretty close to the KISA archetype, WITH their flaws and quirks and all.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 26, 2017 1:06:33 GMT
It's not really available for gay men. Dorian is Dorian and rejects your offer to stand by his side, as his lover, inside the Imperium so it doesn't really count. I'm much more interested in being a nobody and then ending up with someone of nobility besides you, therefor gaining social status yourself. In general I like playing nobodies, being a hero and a bigshot is so blase. Well, I am coming from the position that all relationships are opened to all characters, so specifics of the protagonist’s gender and race are left to the player. I do prefer playing powerful characters, and miss romances with powerful men of high standing in the position that rivals that of the PC. Reyes and Alistair are my favourites because of it, as well as Anders because of his revolutionary role in the world Order. they do have a lot of characters with noble backgrounds in DA series, so sooner or later they will have an epilogue marriage to a member of aristocracy. I like the difference in status, it makes for an interesting dynamic. I can't figure out anything that'd specifically attract me in a dynamic where both of the people are noble or high in the social ladder. Hell, I don't even like to play Trevelyan because they are noble by default, IIRC. It suuuucks, I want to be a nobody who remains a nobody or becomes a somebody by marrying and loving a person of high status. I'm not sure what DA4 is going to bring, but gay men have wanted a Knight in Shining Armor for years now, so, maybe?
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 25, 2017 21:47:32 GMT
Okay well none of what you said is actually appealing to me, so yeah I guess it is very niche. I just want a relationship that ends up in marrying someone of nobility and then getting a epilogue slide about how we are ruling something together as a couple. That's all I'm asking. And maybe having to deal with whatever criticism we as a couple get for me, the player, not being noble and don't know my etiquette. And I don't really think that a romance has to be central to the story, but rather a character that is central to the story. I personally think the two can be separate as long as our relationship status gets confirmed in dialogue and maybe in a main story cutscene or two, or three. Oh, that’s what was done more or less in the romances I quoted, so it’s available. It is also the most likely to happen in either the very last game of the franchise for the very last protagonist, or when the franchise openly prepares to jumpe a few decades into the future/past in the next game, so you can have definitive ending. Personally, I am more interested in having an affair with a character who is heavily involved in the plot and an in-game commitment between equally powerful characters, rather than marriage. Dorian’s romance would have been perfect if the Inquisitor did not get destroyed by the game in Trespasser as a powerful political force in the realm etc. As it is, it ended up in a very unequal situation, with Dorian climbing the ranks, and the protagonist becoming irrelevant. It's not really available for gay men. Dorian is Dorian and rejects your offer to stand by his side, as his lover, inside the Imperium so it doesn't really count. I'm much more interested in being a nobody and then ending up with someone of nobility besides you, therefor gaining social status yourself. In general I like playing nobodies, being a hero and a bigshot is so blase.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 25, 2017 17:32:02 GMT
'' It would be very niche '' I guess if niche you mean a wholesome romance that builds up, doesn't leave you hanging and gives you a good ending for all your effort. Bioware fans just looooove to suffer, that much is true. No, I mean the romance that have the players and his or her lover act as a couple, adventuring together, particularly when in position of power, with the strong emphasis given to their married/together status. They tried to create that feel with autodialogues during Legacy and Trespasser between the main character and the lover, but it is a far cry of actually adventuring together and solving the fate of the world as a couple. This will really ask for a very small cast and very few romance options, maybe as few as just two, to put the emphasis on the storyline. Maybe possible in a DLC or a separate quest. I like the Hushed Whispers quest so much because I get to adventure with Dorian specifically. Companion missions in ME2 and Andromeda also do put a highlight on cooperation between just two characters and give them a lot of interactions... But on the whole, the romances normally end before the relationship necessitates to be built into the story, even as central to the story as Alistair’s, Anders’, Thane’s, Solas’ and Dorian’s. To do otherwise, you have to deal with a lot of players that will either complain that their romance is not linked to the story, or hate having a character that is important to someone else shoved down their throats like Morrigan for three games in a row. To have the romance central to the story and the lover companion being linked to the pc, you pretty much need a game with a fixed protagonist and very few choices. Okay well none of what you said is actually appealing to me, so yeah I guess it is very niche. I just want a relationship that ends up in marrying someone of nobility and then getting a epilogue slide about how we are ruling something together as a couple. That's all I'm asking. And maybe having to deal with whatever criticism we as a couple get for me, the player, not being noble and don't know my etiquette. And I don't really think that a romance has to be central to the story, but rather a character that is central to the story. I personally think the two can be separate as long as our relationship status gets confirmed in dialogue and maybe in a main story cutscene or two, or three.
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