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Post by midnight tea on May 17, 2018 10:24:44 GMT
TiamatIn the religion of ancient Babylon, Tiamat (Akkadian: 𒀭𒋾𒊩𒆳 DTI.AMAT or 𒀭𒌓𒌈 DTAM.TUM, Greek: Θαλάττη Thaláttē)[3] is a primordial goddess of the salt sea, mating with Abzû, the god of fresh water, to produce younger gods. She is the symbol of the chaos of primordial creation. She is referred to as a woman,[4] and described as the glistening one.[5] It is suggested that there are two parts to the Tiamat mythos, the first in which Tiamat is a creator goddess, through a sacred marriage between salt and fresh water, peacefully creating the cosmos through successive generations. In the second Chaoskampf Tiamat is considered the monstrous embodiment of primordial chaos.[6] Some sources identify her with images of a sea serpent or dragon.[7]
In the Enûma Elish, the Babylonian epic of creation, she gives birth to the first generation of deities; her husband, Apsu, correctly assuming they are planning to kill him and usurp his throne, later makes war upon them and is killed. Enraged, she, too, wars upon her husband's murderers, taking on the form of a massive sea dragon, she is then slain by Enki's son, the storm-god Marduk, but not before she had brought forth the monsters of the Mesopotamian pantheon, including the first dragons, whose bodies she filled with "poison instead of blood". Marduk then forms heavens and the earth from her divided body. Not saying I believe it, but it does sound a bit like Mythal... Or... you know, Dumat. I don't think the similarity in name is coincidental.
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Post by Gileadan on May 17, 2018 11:04:11 GMT
I guess Tiamat is going to ally with Salos and they'll have sweet Retribution...? (I nearly snorted tea through nostrils when I've read what they supposedly have prepared for Anthem - presentation featuring Snoop Dog and Zac Efron??? WHAT ) It's not that unlikely... apparently Battlefield V's reveal trailer will be presented by "Daily Show" host Trevor Noah.
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Post by midnight tea on May 17, 2018 11:55:44 GMT
I guess Tiamat is going to ally with Salos and they'll have sweet Retribution...? (I nearly snorted tea through nostrils when I've read what they supposedly have prepared for Anthem - presentation featuring Snoop Dog and Zac Efron??? WHAT ) It's not that unlikely... apparently Battlefield V's reveal trailer will be presented by "Daily Show" host Trevor Noah. Given that I like Trevor Noah I can't object at him presenting whatever - but if there are two people I don't really think about when I think "Bioware" or "Anthem", that would be Snoop Dog and Zac Efron. But who knows, maybe they'd surprise us. Maybe they're VAs and Anthem is actually a musical Bioware always wanted to make.
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Post by themikefest on May 17, 2018 11:55:50 GMT
Would Solas wait many years, even decades to do his hocus pocus stuff? He did say in trespasser that it would give a few years of peace. What if he decides to wait a few decades, or even a century? Maybe he decided to wait that long to make sure everything works out without have unforeseen side effects. Though that could happen regardless of how long he waits. It would explain why characters from previous games don't show up.
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Post by midnight tea on May 17, 2018 12:16:06 GMT
Would Solas wait many years, even decades to do his hocus pocus stuff? He did say in trespasser that it would give a few years of peace. What if he decides to wait a few decades, or even a century? Maybe he decided to wait that long to make sure everything works out without have unforeseen side effects. Though that could happen regardless of how long he waits. It would explain why characters from previous games don't show up. Unlikely, IMO. First - he wouldn't be so confident that Inky would try and stop him and wouldn't be telling them either to live well, while time remains or only giving people a few years of relative peace. Then there's him waking up despite still being weak, the decision to not wait with orb opening, or his comments to Blackwall about some time being bought by Wardens. Then we have OGB Kieran telling us that Morrigan is inheritor who awaits another age, so she surely has to be alive when something large happens (Flemeth knows something big is coming and given how the story went, it's likely something that has to do with Solas). Also - do you think that Inquisitor carrying the title of HERALD ( Herald of the New Age, as called by Flemeth) or First-Thaw ('when the ice breaks and new spring comes to life to the world') and all the murmuring that they're a mark of what's to come next are a coincidence? I wouldn't even call that subtle. Hints like that suggest that whatever is going to happen that either Solas wants to use/prevent/whatever is likely going to happen fairly soon. Meta-wise, there's David Gaider telling us that Inquisition was supposed to be twice as long (in terms of length of plot, not cut content). And while it's likely that many things will change since they've made a decision to cut the plot in half, I'd say that the fact that it's cut in half in the first place suggests that things may likely happen pretty soon in relation to events in Trespasser.
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Post by themikefest on May 17, 2018 12:18:33 GMT
Good thing this is a speculation thread, right?
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Post by midnight tea on May 17, 2018 12:21:14 GMT
Good thing this is a speculation thread, right? Aaaaand? Are we not doing that?
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Post by themikefest on May 17, 2018 12:30:10 GMT
Good thing this is a speculation thread, right? Aaaaand? Are we not doing that? You don't know?
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Post by midnight tea on May 17, 2018 12:42:36 GMT
Aaaaand? Are we not doing that? You don't know? Well, I certainly know passive-aggressive when I see it. What bit you - and why me making completely normal, civil, speculative comments is suddenly a problem?
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Post by themikefest on May 17, 2018 12:58:54 GMT
I never said its a problem.
As far as what bit me? I did get bitten by an ant when I was picking up debris on the lawn yesterday.
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Post by midnight tea on May 17, 2018 13:08:52 GMT
I never said its a problem. As far as what bit me? I did get bitten by an ant when I was picking up debris on the lawn yesterday. Right... Speaking of biting - vampires. We know that ' vampires' in Thedas are people possessed by demons of hunger. I'm curious whether there are potential covens of people who get themselves possessed and stuff like that, perhaps for some shady, otherworldly benefits. And considering a decadent, almost gothic feel for some of the Tevinter clothing worn by nobility, I kinda wonder whether we're going to see more conventional-looking vampires roaming the Imperium.
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Post by vertigomez on May 17, 2018 15:03:34 GMT
www.gamefixshow.com/According to this blogger, the E3 schedule was leaked and DA4 will be announced and is titled Dragon Age: Rise of Tiamat. Seems shady to me. Thoughts? Shady but I want to believe, if only to have something new to talk about. :sob:
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Post by midnight tea on May 17, 2018 15:06:28 GMT
www.gamefixshow.com/According to this blogger, the E3 schedule was leaked and DA4 will be announced and is titled Dragon Age: Rise of Tiamat. Seems shady to me. Thoughts? Shady but I want to believe, if only to have something new to talk about. What if it's some sort of Dragon Age side project?
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Post by vertigomez on May 17, 2018 15:35:13 GMT
Shady but I want to believe, if only to have something new to talk about. What if it's some sort of Dragon Age side project? Unfortunately the link's not working for me (I'm on mobile) so I couldn't say. But I'd be thrilled with pretty much any DA side project provided it ties into future games or pads out the earlier ones or... something.
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Post by themikefest on May 17, 2018 16:06:18 GMT
www.gamefixshow.com/According to this blogger, the E3 schedule was leaked and DA4 will be announced and is titled Dragon Age: Rise of Tiamat. Seems shady to me. Thoughts? All I can say is that I will be looking forward to what has to be said about that at E3. Would that mean the game could be released in late 2019? Don't know. I'll find out in less than a month
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Post by Fredward on May 18, 2018 6:12:54 GMT
www.gamefixshow.com/According to this blogger, the E3 schedule was leaked and DA4 will be announced and is titled Dragon Age: Rise of Tiamat. Seems shady to me. Thoughts? Shady, didn't someone post a tweet in the Twitter thread where someone asked Darrah if DA would be at E3 and he just straight up said no?
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Post by Julale on May 18, 2018 9:26:01 GMT
www.gamefixshow.com/According to this blogger, the E3 schedule was leaked and DA4 will be announced and is titled Dragon Age: Rise of Tiamat. Seems shady to me. Thoughts? Mark Darrah has already confirmed that DA4 will not be announced at E3 this year. Tweet: User @biomarkdarrah Is dragon age game getting announced at e3? Mark Darrah No This one Fredward
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Post by river82 on May 18, 2018 9:29:16 GMT
Yeah, Bioware's going to draw attention away from the game that will dictate their future with a DA4 reveal. I'd believe that only if I had drunk myself into a hallucinogenic state immediately prior to hearing it. They're not that stupid.
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Post by cloud9 on Jul 11, 2018 6:38:34 GMT
But there have been other Action RPGs with epic stories that have come out since TW3. Like, HZD never seems to be mentioned which is why I sometimes wonder if it's not the "White Male that Bangs All the Chicks" Protaganist that are really why most players seem hyperfocused on that game. HZD did mounts better than TW3, for example, and has a prettier world/graphics and a way better hunter/gatherer system. But's it's "TW3 TW3 TW3!" Multiplatform vs console exclusive. They had some side quests that were better. Main story on the other hand I find Bioware handles better. The world? Gameplay? Do you mean the five or six types of people walking around with nothing else to say than "spit, freak, vagrant"? Whatever floats your boat I guess, but I very much prefer all the different stories the npcs out there have to tell how they evolve over time depending on your choices and actions. I never noticed much of that in TW3. I did see a gazillion of "shady person n#" though. The best of both worlds combined would be nice but is it plausible? And gameplay? I definitely prefer companions over banter in the form of "woah Roach". The world (/gameplay) as in D/N cycle, npcs living their lives, choices - whether you act or not - affecting the world, people, etc. I'd very much prefer bw would take notes from tw3 when they make da4 rather than the ubisoft type open worlds. Assassin's Creed open world designs are not bad at all. I love how they designed Florence, Tuscany, Venice, and Rome in the Renaissance period. If only BioWare would've took that passion for world design and gameplay......
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Post by cloud9 on Jul 30, 2018 9:23:01 GMT
Personally, I think Solas is going to be pretty unambiguously evil in the next game. Ive never actually gone through Trespasser, so I'm not speaking from a position of total understanding. But as I understand, he doesn't even consider modern elves to be "his people", or even elves at all. The people he's trying to save is something far more ancient and much much different. I'm going to be disappointed if Solas is unambiguously evil in the next game since it'd mean they'd pretty much have done away with anything that makes him an interesting villain and character. Let me clear, I'm not saying that what he intends to do is not evil and that Solas is not a villain. What I'm saying is that his character is not devoid of humanity and that's what makes him a compelling character and an interesting villain. The following is based on my interpretation of Solas. He does not want to destroy the modern world but believes it to be necessary to make amends for destroying the old world even if it was with the best of intentions. It's implied that he is motivated by guilt. In his romance, he has the opportunity to be happy and abandon his plans but chooses to set aside his own chance at happiness to do what he believes is right. His goal is not genocide: that's the side effect of how he intends to bring back the old world. Does that mean it should not be considered genocide? No but it's not his end goal. He's not doing this out of spite, hatred or racism. In Trespasser, he acknowledges that the Inquisitor showed him different: that the modern people weren't like tranquils. That they were people. But even before, when when he awoke in a world that he considered to be inhabited by tranquils, he still showed compassion towards these people. He approves of helping people like the farmer whose husband was murdered and whose ring was stolen. They are inconsequential to the greater scheme of things - to his plans - but he still thinks of them as worthy of help and empathy. Even if he is not befriended or romanced, he maintains this compassion as, as far as I can recall, it remains his motivation for sabotaging the Qun in Trespasser. He also shows sadness over the people who have been used by him and died. I believe there's a remark by Cole that shows he grieved over Felassan's death (which he probably should and did feel worse about after realizing the guy had a point.) Again, I'm not saying that Solas is not a villain and that what he is attempting to do is not villainous but I feel making him unambiguously evil would rob his character of all the depth and complexity he had in Inquisition and Trespasser. We have a good enough reason to want to stop him: the consequences of his plan would wreck the world as we know it and result in a high death toll that would include us. We don't need him to become completely evil. He's not evil. He's incredibly pretty stupid.
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Post by warden on Jul 30, 2018 13:00:52 GMT
I'm going to be disappointed if Solas is unambiguously evil in the next game since it'd mean they'd pretty much have done away with anything that makes him an interesting villain and character. Let me clear, I'm not saying that what he intends to do is not evil and that Solas is not a villain. What I'm saying is that his character is not devoid of humanity and that's what makes him a compelling character and an interesting villain. The following is based on my interpretation of Solas. He does not want to destroy the modern world but believes it to be necessary to make amends for destroying the old world even if it was with the best of intentions. It's implied that he is motivated by guilt. In his romance, he has the opportunity to be happy and abandon his plans but chooses to set aside his own chance at happiness to do what he believes is right. His goal is not genocide: that's the side effect of how he intends to bring back the old world. Does that mean it should not be considered genocide? No but it's not his end goal. He's not doing this out of spite, hatred or racism. In Trespasser, he acknowledges that the Inquisitor showed him different: that the modern people weren't like tranquils. That they were people. But even before, when when he awoke in a world that he considered to be inhabited by tranquils, he still showed compassion towards these people. He approves of helping people like the farmer whose husband was murdered and whose ring was stolen. They are inconsequential to the greater scheme of things - to his plans - but he still thinks of them as worthy of help and empathy. Even if he is not befriended or romanced, he maintains this compassion as, as far as I can recall, it remains his motivation for sabotaging the Qun in Trespasser. He also shows sadness over the people who have been used by him and died. I believe there's a remark by Cole that shows he grieved over Felassan's death (which he probably should and did feel worse about after realizing the guy had a point.) Again, I'm not saying that Solas is not a villain and that what he is attempting to do is not villainous but I feel making him unambiguously evil would rob his character of all the depth and complexity he had in Inquisition and Trespasser. We have a good enough reason to want to stop him: the consequences of his plan would wreck the world as we know it and result in a high death toll that would include us. We don't need him to become completely evil. He's not evil. He's incredibly pretty stupid. In that I agree, the most bland and boring character I had the "pleasure" to see and read.
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Post by wickedcool on Jul 30, 2018 14:59:16 GMT
Since this is a speculation thread. I’m going to speculate that in da4 solas accomplishes some of the things on his wish list prior to the new hero being introduced and da4 is being setup as a partial reimagine of the world (a reboot). I can picture certain dai characters returning as quest givers but they are in hiding due to early victories by solas elves. My guess is Dorian due to tevinter connections For the most part da games start with bad things happening to the hero
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jul 30, 2018 19:02:07 GMT
My speculation is that Solas won't even be in DA4 and it'll be nothing like everyone thinks.
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Post by cloud9 on Jul 31, 2018 8:52:20 GMT
He's not evil. He's incredibly pretty stupid. In that I agree, the most bland and boring character I had the "pleasure" to see and read. It's not because he's bland and boring per se, but the whole thing of tearing down the Veil is very idiotic of him, but at the same time he wants to prevent the Qunari from invading Thedas. Which doesn't make no sense whatsoever.
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Post by TabithaTH on Jul 31, 2018 10:08:59 GMT
It's not because he's bland and boring per se, but the whole thing of tearing down the Veil is very idiotic of him, but at the same time he wants to prevent the Qunari from invading Thedas. Which doesn't make no sense whatsoever. While I agree that it makes no sense, he does kinda explain why he did it. It’s some kind of mercy thing, he “is not a monster” and doesn’t want the people to suffer as slaves of the Qun before he destroys everything. I like to analyse things from a psychological perspective, so I like to think that subconsciously he’s having doubts about his actions. The Inquisitor made him see that the people are “real”. Of course, this only makes sense if you’re on his good side. Like i said, I agree that some of the things he says makes no sense unless you make up your own reason.
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