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Post by cloud9 on Jul 31, 2018 23:29:54 GMT
It's not because he's bland and boring per se, but the whole thing of tearing down the Veil is very idiotic of him, but at the same time he wants to prevent the Qunari from invading Thedas. Which doesn't make no sense whatsoever. While I agree that it makes no sense, he does kinda explain why he did it. It’s some kind of mercy thing, he “is not a monster” and doesn’t want the people to suffer as slaves of the Qun before he destroys everything. I like to analyse things from a psychological perspective, so I like to think that subconsciously he’s having doubts about his actions. The Inquisitor made him see that the people are “real”. Of course, this only makes sense if you’re on his good side. Like i said, I agree that some of the things he says makes no sense unless you make up your own reason. But the Qunari never enslaved or oppressed his people, the humans are the ones who oppressed them. But he didn't retaliate against them but he want to fight the Qunari because of their beliefs but he doesn't want to fight humans, and they're the ones who done more harm to his people. Which makes him a coward and being weak.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 31, 2018 23:33:59 GMT
While I agree that it makes no sense, he does kinda explain why he did it. It’s some kind of mercy thing, he “is not a monster” and doesn’t want the people to suffer as slaves of the Qun before he destroys everything. I like to analyse things from a psychological perspective, so I like to think that subconsciously he’s having doubts about his actions. The Inquisitor made him see that the people are “real”. Of course, this only makes sense if you’re on his good side. Like i said, I agree that some of the things he says makes no sense unless you make up your own reason. But the Qunari never enslaved or oppressed his people, the humans are the ones who oppressed them. But he didn't retaliate against them but he want to fight the Qunari because of their beliefs but he doesn't want to fight humans, and they're the ones who done more harm to his people. Which makes him a coward and being weak. Solas and the other ancient elves don’t see modern elves as their people.
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Post by cloud9 on Jul 31, 2018 23:41:40 GMT
But the Qunari never enslaved or oppressed his people, the humans are the ones who oppressed them. But he didn't retaliate against them but he want to fight the Qunari because of their beliefs but he doesn't want to fight humans, and they're the ones who done more harm to his people. Which makes him a coward and being weak. Solas and the other ancient elves don’t see modern elves as their people. But they are whether they like it or not, and they're the ones who put them in the position that they're in.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 31, 2018 23:43:12 GMT
Solas and the other ancient elves don’t see modern elves as their people. But they are whether they like it or not, and they're the ones who put them in the position that they're in. I don’t disagree. Just pointing out that Solas isn’t interested in saving the modern elves or cares about what’s happened to them. They are going to die like everyone else.
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Post by cloud9 on Jul 31, 2018 23:49:59 GMT
But they are whether they like it or not, and they're the ones who put them in the position that they're in. I don’t disagree. Just pointing out that Solas isn’t interested in saving the modern elves or cares about what’s happened to them. They are going to die like everyone else. But he claims he wants to save the elves, but cares none for his descendants? That has got to be the most idiotic logic I've ever heard. So much for being smart which he's clearly not.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 31, 2018 23:52:53 GMT
I don’t disagree. Just pointing out that Solas isn’t interested in saving the modern elves or cares about what’s happened to them. They are going to die like everyone else. But he claims he wants to save the elves, but cares none for his descendants? That has got to be the most idiotic logic I've ever heard. So much for being smart but he's clearly not. He wants to save the ancient elves. The elves we know are like I said not even elves to him. We see this numerous times with him in the game and book he was in. Hey, don't look at me to defend him. I want to take him down.
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 1, 2018 0:00:08 GMT
But he claims he wants to save the elves, but cares none for his descendants? That has got to be the most idiotic logic I've ever heard. So much for being smart but he's clearly not. He wants to save the ancient elves. The elves we know are like I said not even elves to him. We see this numerous times with him in the game and book he was in. Hey, don't look at me to defend him. I want to take him down. Who says you're defending him? I simply said that he and the ancients are complete idiots for forsaking their descendants, and they are the ones who caused their downfall upon themselves that has affected their descendants. They simply don't want to take responsibility for their actions, and dont want to be held accountable for them.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 1, 2018 0:02:55 GMT
He wants to save the ancient elves. The elves we know are like I said not even elves to him. We see this numerous times with him in the game and book he was in. Hey, don't look at me to defend him. I want to take him down. Who says you're defending him? I simply said that he and the ancients are complete idiots for forsaking their descendants, and they are the ones who caused their downfall upon themselves thas has affected their descendants. They simply don't want to take responsibility for their actions, and dont want to be held accountable for them. I mainly meant don't look at me to try to explain his insane plan. Yeah, pretty much. Solas acted, causing the world to be like it is today, he doesn't like it so wants to try to revert things back to how they were before.
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 1, 2018 0:07:41 GMT
Who says you're defending him? I simply said that he and the ancients are complete idiots for forsaking their descendants, and they are the ones who caused their downfall upon themselves thas has affected their descendants. They simply don't want to take responsibility for their actions, and dont want to be held accountable for them. I mainly meant don't look at me to try to explain his insane plan. Yeah, pretty much. Solas acted, causing the world to be like it is today, he doesn't like it so wants to try to revert things back to how they were before. That right there is the definition of stupidity on his part. He of all people should know that repeating history is dooming his people and further bringing more misfortune and despair upon them.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 1, 2018 0:18:57 GMT
I mainly meant don't look at me to try to explain his insane plan. Yeah, pretty much. Solas acted, causing the world to be like it is today, he doesn't like it so wants to try to revert things back to how they were before. That right there is the definition of stupidity on his part. He of all people should know that repeating history is dooming his people and further bringing more misfortune and despair upon them. True, though again he doesn't think modern elves are his people so in his eyes none of his people are being hurt by trying this. Agree that it is idiocy and insanity.
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 1, 2018 9:10:13 GMT
I'm beginning to think that the writers have been drinking leaded water for this story to be this dumb.
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Post by wickedcool on Aug 1, 2018 13:47:08 GMT
If we go tevinter can we safely assume we will be an outsider. Mostly likely a prisoner
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Post by TabithaTH on Aug 1, 2018 13:55:08 GMT
If we go tevinter can we safely assume we will be an outsider. Mostly likely a prisoner Or a slave, though I suspect the difference is small in this case.
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Post by close2myheart on Aug 1, 2018 14:05:47 GMT
If this being the case, I prefer the one that gets the 'noble' beginning would be the dwarves Since owning a dwarven slave is illegal in TI while other raves including humans are fair game, iirc If we go tevinter can we safely assume we will be an outsider. Mostly likely a prisoner Or a slave, though I suspect the difference is small in this case.
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Post by TabithaTH on Aug 1, 2018 14:31:27 GMT
If this being the case, I prefer the one that gets the 'noble' beginning would be the dwarves Since owning a dwarven slave is illegal in TI while other raves including humans are fair game, iirc Or a slave, though I suspect the difference is small in this case. I did not know this. Because they are the source of Lyrium and Tevinter is ruled by mages or is it something else? This could actually be a pretty interesting aspect.
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Post by close2myheart on Aug 1, 2018 14:42:50 GMT
I think it has more to do with the ancient treaty and trade deals they made with the dwarves a long time ago (not sure if Orzamar or some other Thaig or the Carta or whatever) and because of this, dwarves also tend to enjoy a higher standing than the rest of races. Too bad can't quote you the source tried to find 'em but.. Anyone can correct me in on this?
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 1, 2018 14:50:17 GMT
If this being the case, I prefer the one that gets the 'noble' beginning would be the dwarves Since owning a dwarven slave is illegal in TI while other raves including humans are fair game, iirc I did not know this. Because they are the source of Lyrium and Tevinter is ruled by mages or is it something else? This could actually be a pretty interesting aspect. TI and dwarves have a long history together, established on the bedrock of trade - Minrathous even has Grand Proving Arena and still-working underground Dwarven Embassy (constructed by Darinius himself). Both of them are considered to be wonders of Thedosian world. How much of the Arena and Ambassadoria you think we're going to see?
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Post by close2myheart on Aug 1, 2018 15:22:31 GMT
Thanks for clarifying, midnight As to how often we'd get to see the arena.. I'd speculate on largely wether or not we'd be stuck in TI (like DA2 but larger and better) or will DA4 will be a more open world-ish (like DAI). If the location is pretty tight, I'd say we'd see a decent chunk and get to know the Ambassadoria pretty well. If it's going to be more of an open world kind of thing then I'm guessing it's just gonna be one of those city maps like Val Royeaux. With something going on for a bit but not much to do afterwards Just my 0.02
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 1, 2018 15:42:41 GMT
Thanks for clarifying, midnight As to how often we'd get to see the arena.. I'd speculate on largely wether or not we'd be stuck in TI (like DA2 but larger and better) or will DA4 will be a more open world-ish (like DAI). If the location is pretty tight, I'd say we'd see a decent chunk and get to know the Ambassadoria pretty well. If it's going to be more of an open world kind of thing then I'm guessing it's just gonna be one of those city maps like Val Royeaux. With something going on for a bit but not much to do afterwards Just my 0.02 My current speculation is that we're going to spend time mostly in Mirathous - I presume we'd likely have some open spaces and zones we'd travel to (potentially via eluvians and thus not limited by geography), but something tells me they may be smaller than in DAI and likely more vertical (like JoH or Anthem), but with Minrathous continuously being the main quest/story hub. Of course, that still depends how the story of DA4 will go. But given Solas's plans and Qunari obviously preparing to invade Tevinter with full force I don't expect our trip to Tevinter to be relaxing summertime vacation. I speculate that we may be stuck in Minrathous for the simple reason that Qunari will try to finally conquer the unconquerable city and that will result with shenanigans that will lead us to many places in the city, which may include Dwarven holdings. ... And THAT will also depend on details of the story. What would be the relationship between the city and dwarves during that time? We know from Descent that Orzammar is on the brink of revolt, but we also know that Inquisition came in brief touch with dwarves from Kal-Sharok... What will be Inquisition's standing with the dwarves, even if something happens to the relationship with TI? Will Inquisition or completing Descent have any effect on anything? Sheesh, so many factors to consider to even try and guess the major thrust of potential storyline...
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Post by TabithaTH on Aug 1, 2018 15:57:23 GMT
TI and dwarves have a long history together, established on the bedrock of trade - Minrathous even has Grand Proving Arena and still-working underground Dwarven Embassy (constructed by Darinius himself). Both of them are considered to be wonders of Thedosian world. Interesting. I must admit that I’m really looking forward to this trip to Tevinter. It’s going to be really interesting to see the views of the Tevinter factions as opposed to the same factions in Ferelden/Orlais. Like Mages/Templars, Humans as slaves and also, it would seem, the views on dwarfs. Fascinating stuff.
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Post by wickedcool on Aug 1, 2018 16:01:41 GMT
I originally thought slave as well or nobleman however da games usually have the hero as an outsider . In all 3 games we stumble into being the hero. All 3 games we know someone in world (dai through letters and conversations with Josephine) My 3 scenarios
Wake up with no memory-more of a bethesda thing than a bioware thing. This includes waking up captured
Origins- would love this but lots of resources if multiple races. Even if so we have no direct power or relations in tevinter
We are an executor. -we get an origin regardless of race and then forced to join the new whatever they call the da4 group
I’m going argue that we will get a power of some sort. Tied to eluvians or spirits or even a titan
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Post by TabithaTH on Aug 1, 2018 17:18:45 GMT
I’m going argue that we will get a power of some sort. Tied to eluvians or spirits or even a titan I don’t mind being the hero who saves us all, but I do not want it to be because of a special power again. Then rather something like DA2.
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Post by warden on Aug 1, 2018 17:47:45 GMT
I’m going argue that we will get a power of some sort. Tied to eluvians or spirits or even a titan I don’t mind being the hero who saves us all, but I do not want it to be because of a special power again. Then rather something like DA2. from what I see, Hawke is not a hero by any means.
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Post by azarhal on Aug 1, 2018 18:07:14 GMT
I don’t mind being the hero who saves us all, but I do not want it to be because of a special power again. Then rather something like DA2. from what I see, Hawke is not a hero by any means. Yep, my Hawke saved Kirkwall twice and got the Champion title by accident. "Just stumbled on it" said Varric.
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Post by TabithaTH on Aug 1, 2018 18:15:27 GMT
I don’t mind being the hero who saves us all, but I do not want it to be because of a special power again. Then rather something like DA2. from what I see, Hawke is not a hero by any means. That's what I meant, kinda. They didn't have any particular powers or anything, they were just there at the right/wrong time.
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