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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 30, 2017 16:12:28 GMT
The Tevinters make that distinction, albeit for their own self-serving purposes. “We’re not blood mages; real blood mages control peoples’ thoughts and commit sacrifices!”
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Post by Catilina on Oct 30, 2017 16:16:23 GMT
The Tevintersmale that distinction, albeit for their own self-serving purposes. “We’re not blood mages; real blood mages control peoples’ thoughts and commit sacrifices!” Hawke can control people: can turn the enemy to his side, and they kill their own companions... I love to use that on Templars, for example, and on blood mages, its fun! Hawke NOT faux blood mage.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 30, 2017 16:44:56 GMT
Blood magic is supposed to be very different than "regular" magic. It's a different power source with different strengths and weaknesses. That's aside from it being inherently darker and more dangerous. Dragon Age has never been able to really convey these differences through gameplay, making players treat it as just another specialty. I hope that if/when they do make it available again, they can truly do it justice.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 30, 2017 16:58:39 GMT
Blood magic is supposed to be very different than "regular" magic. It's a different power source with different strengths and weaknesses. That's aside from it being inherently darker and more dangerous. Dragon Age has never been able to really convey these differences through gameplay, making players treat it as just another specialty. I hope that if/when they do make it available again, they can truly do it justice. This is what i exactly want to see: why worth or why NOT worth to use the blood magic. I want to see more disadvantage than this negligible loss of health points, and more benefit, than the less mana cost... Selling Feynriel to Torpor is a good example, but the benefit was not really great...
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 30, 2017 20:03:48 GMT
The Tevintersmale that distinction, albeit for their own self-serving purposes. “We’re not blood mages; real blood mages control peoples’ thoughts and commit sacrifices!” Hawke can control people: can turn the enemy to his side, and they kill their own companions... I love to use that on Templars, for example, and on blood mages, its fun! Hawke NOT faux blood mage. In battle. And you don’t really kill your companions, you just use them to heal their wounds.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 30, 2017 20:11:07 GMT
Hawke can control people: can turn the enemy to his side, and they kill their own companions... I love to use that on Templars, for example, and on blood mages, its fun! Hawke NOT faux blood mage. In battle. And you don’t really kill your companions, you just use them to heal their wounds. From this aspect, also Merril not a blood mage.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 30, 2017 20:15:16 GMT
They ruined Hawke in DAI.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 30, 2017 20:41:51 GMT
In battle. And you don’t really kill your companions, you just use them to heal their wounds. From this aspect, also Merril not a blood mage. Mostly true, though Merrill did learn blood magic from a demon, and Hawke seems to have just "picked it up."
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Post by Catilina on Oct 30, 2017 20:44:52 GMT
From this aspect, also Merril not a blood mage. Mostly true, though Merrill did learn blood magic from a demon, and Hawke seems to have just "picked it up." Your Hawke. As I said: Hawke CAN deal demon and evil stuff. These are options in the game.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 30, 2017 21:11:07 GMT
Catalina, I sort of feel like we're arguing semantics. My point was just that Hawke was never a hardcore blood mage, but rather someone who dabbled in the art to give them an advantage in combat.
So when people say "But my Hawke was a blood mage who would never speak ill of blood magic," my argument is that they never used anything more than the most superficial aspects of blood magic. They weren't on the same level as Tarohne, Grace or Quentin.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 30, 2017 21:22:07 GMT
Catalina, I sort of feel like we're arguing semantics. My point was just that Hawke was never a hardcore blood mage, but rather someone who dabbled in the art to give them an advantage in combat. So when people say "But my Hawke was a blood mage who would never speak ill of blood magic," my argument is that they never used anything more than the most superficial aspects of blood magic. They weren't on the same level as Tarohne, Grace or Quentin. Yes. I get it. But who's a "hardcore" blood mage? This is NOT about the blood magic. This about moral and/or mental health. Merrill also not Quentin or Tarohne or Grace. Who's a "hardcore" fire mage? Who burns Halamshiral?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 30, 2017 21:31:02 GMT
Catalina, I sort of feel like we're arguing semantics. My point was just that Hawke was never a hardcore blood mage, but rather someone who dabbled in the art to give them an advantage in combat. So when people say "But my Hawke was a blood mage who would never speak ill of blood magic," my argument is that they never used anything more than the most superficial aspects of blood magic. They weren't on the same level as Tarohne, Grace or Quentin. I'm more upset by the fact Hawke states all blood mages are the same, literally grouping the love of his life in the same group of people as the monsters you mentioned.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 30, 2017 21:40:06 GMT
Catalina, I sort of feel like we're arguing semantics. My point was just that Hawke was never a hardcore blood mage, but rather someone who dabbled in the art to give them an advantage in combat. So when people say "But my Hawke was a blood mage who would never speak ill of blood magic," my argument is that they never used anything more than the most superficial aspects of blood magic. They weren't on the same level as Tarohne, Grace or Quentin. I'm more upset by the fact Hawke states all blood mages are the same, literally grouping the love of his life in the same group of people as the monsters you mentioned. While I was initially a bit upset about that, I have sort of headcanoned that Hawke has had a discussion with Merrill about her blood magic and asked her not to use it except when necessary.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 30, 2017 21:43:55 GMT
I'm more upset by the fact Hawke states all blood mages are the same, literally grouping the love of his life in the same group of people as the monsters you mentioned. While I was initially a bit upset about that, I have sort of headcanoned that Hawke has had a discussion with Merrill about her blood magic and asked her not to use it except when necessary. "Except, when necessary"? What means that?
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 30, 2017 21:54:08 GMT
While I was initially a bit upset about that, I have sort of headcanoned that Hawke has had a discussion with Merrill about her blood magic and asked her not to use it except when necessary. "Except, when necessary"? What means that? If she's threatened in battle by a strong opponent. Honestly, she's such an offensive powerhouse that it's unnecessary in 90 per cent of battles.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 30, 2017 22:07:37 GMT
"Except, when necessary"? What means that? If she's threatened in battle by a strong opponent. Honestly, she's such an offensive powerhouse that it's unnecessary in 90 per cent of battles. So, when Hawke wants to use her power?
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Post by nvanfleet on Oct 30, 2017 22:33:58 GMT
If she's threatened in battle by a strong opponent. Honestly, she's such an offensive powerhouse that it's unnecessary in 90 per cent of battles. So, when Hawke wants to use her power? More like when the situation warrants, not just because she feels like cutting.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 30, 2017 22:35:17 GMT
So, when Hawke wants to use her power? More like when the situation warrants, not just because she feels like cutting. Why would Merrill just feel like cutting? She's not an idiot!
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Post by nvanfleet on Oct 30, 2017 22:40:26 GMT
More like when the situation warrants, not just because she feels like cutting. Why would Merrill just feel like cutting? She's not an idiot! Ennh, I'm one of those people who actually loathes blood magic. I thought it was wildly out of place in the DAO, on-point but comically ignored in DA2, and I guess I just didn't miss it in DAI at all. Like, at all. So, I definitely think all the blood magic is stupid, and the people who use it are asking for trouble, and so on and so forth. I love Eve Myles, but I am not a Merril fan. XD That said, I'm with everyone expecting to see it return in the next game. Tevinter is supposed to be even worse with the blood magic (beneath the surface, anyway) than Kirkwall was, so to have it left out would be a real shame.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 30, 2017 22:49:09 GMT
If she's threatened in battle by a strong opponent. Honestly, she's such an offensive powerhouse that it's unnecessary in 90 per cent of battles. So, when Hawke wants to use her power? Or when she's attacked by herself and the opponent is too strong. For example: I actually wrote a little fic about Merrill (and Nathaniel) being attacked by darkspawn when she's searching for Hawke. She and Nathaniel handle most of them easily, but the appearance of a genlock alpha forces her to resort to blood magic.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 30, 2017 22:51:58 GMT
Why would Merrill just feel like cutting? She's not an idiot! Ennh, I'm one of those people who actually loathes blood magic. I thought it was wildly out of place in the DAO, on-point but comically ignored in DA2, and I guess I just didn't miss it in DAI at all. Like, at all. So, I definitely think all the blood magic is stupid, and the people who use it are asking for trouble, and so on and so forth. I love Eve Myles, but I am not a Merril fan. XD That said, I'm with everyone expecting to see it return in the next game. Tevinter is supposed to be even worse with the blood magic (beneath the surface, anyway) than Kirkwall was, so to have it left out would be a real shame. Magic is magic, not good or bad, only depend on the user. Every mage able to use it, someone does it, someone refuses to use. I want to see why so feared the blood magic, and I want real choices: if the protagonist would want a real improvement, then s/he must sacrifice something (someone?)
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Post by Catilina on Oct 30, 2017 22:53:22 GMT
So, when Hawke wants to use her power? Or when she's attacked by herself and the opponent is too strong. For example: I actually wrote a little fic about Merrill (and Nathaniel) being attacked by darkspawn when she's searching for Hawke. She and Nathaniel handle most of them easily, but the appearance of a genlock alpha forces her to resort to blood magic. You can not eat and starve at the same time.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 30, 2017 22:55:29 GMT
Or when she's attacked by herself and the opponent is too strong. For example: I actually wrote a little fic about Merrill (and Nathaniel) being attacked by darkspawn when she's searching for Hawke. She and Nathaniel handle most of them easily, but the appearance of a genlock alpha forces her to resort to blood magic. You can not eat and starve at the same time. I think you're trying to say "You can't have your cake and eat it too."
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Post by nvanfleet on Oct 30, 2017 23:07:53 GMT
Ennh, I'm one of those people who actually loathes blood magic. I thought it was wildly out of place in the DAO, on-point but comically ignored in DA2, and I guess I just didn't miss it in DAI at all. Like, at all. So, I definitely think all the blood magic is stupid, and the people who use it are asking for trouble, and so on and so forth. I love Eve Myles, but I am not a Merril fan. XD That said, I'm with everyone expecting to see it return in the next game. Tevinter is supposed to be even worse with the blood magic (beneath the surface, anyway) than Kirkwall was, so to have it left out would be a real shame. Magic is magic, not good or bad, only depend on the user. Every mage able to use it, someone does it, someone refuses to use. I want to see why so feared the blood magic, and I want real choices: if the protagonist would want a real improvement, then s/he must sacrifice something (someone?) That's certainly Solas' opinion! I suppose I'm brainwashed by the Chantry or whatever, but Blood Magic almost always has unintended consequences - and I don't remember if it was Hawke or Dorian who said it, but there's always that excuse to reach for just a little bit more because what you have is never quite enough.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 30, 2017 23:12:05 GMT
Magic is magic, not good or bad, only depend on the user. Every mage able to use it, someone does it, someone refuses to use. I want to see why so feared the blood magic, and I want real choices: if the protagonist would want a real improvement, then s/he must sacrifice something (someone?) That's certainly Solas' opinion! I suppose I'm brainwashed by the Chantry or whatever, but Blood Magic almost always has unintended consequences - and I don't remember if it was Hawke or Dorian who said it, but there's always that excuse to reach for just a little bit more because what you have is never quite enough. Dorian, and on the other way, but also Fenris. Dorian even said that the blood magic is a too easy way (if I remember correctly). The Chantry uses blood magic too.
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