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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Sept 15, 2023 0:15:47 GMT
A season 4 would be nice. (Of The Orville.) Had a thought that they could do a significant time jump to when most of the kids were ensign/lieutenant ages. Instead of the immediacy at the end of S3 getting resolved instead it lingers and festers. The crew would be older, let them develop and change a bit. More of a refresh than New Horizons.
I'll admit I haven't even been watching LD with Orville references in mind. Might be worth rewatching S1/2 of Orville one of these moons. Been a while.
*** Anyways, this is for those that don't check Workday Cheer. Can always use more Jadzia Dax.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Sept 16, 2023 23:16:49 GMT
Had this music from PicS3 rattling 'round the back of my head. Got lucky cause I couldn't remember the name but I found it first try. From the first ep I believe when Raffi walks in a club.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 27, 2023 6:09:09 GMT
Couple of Trek related things I have been watching of late... Lower Decks Season 4 Episode 4 (ugh going so fast!) Something borrowed, something green. Must say this is one of the best, if not the best, episodes of Lower Decks so far. I was so enamored with it as soon as I understood the concept because...well lets just get into it. +Our first trip to Orion. Not so much of an Orion fan so no real nostalgia there...but it is the home of one Devana Tendi Mistress of the Winter Constellations so this means it was a Tendi episode which would always be fun and getting more exploration of a culture with a checkered past is also something to look forward to. +Brutherford-I very much chuckled when they said this. +But it also very much leads to tears as they begin fighting over the Bonzai plant. 'you misted me!' cries Boimler. As an aside Boimler/ Jack Quaid really reminds me of David Hyde Pierce/ Niles from Frasier...this is a good thing. +T'lynn was also the other highlight of this show, all of her one liners were great 'he is aestically pleasing' and the moment she threw the PAD out the airlock. +Tendi was also likewise quite the dchtomoy in this episode...going through the Orion underworld like a hot knife through butter and then going 'ah! what! no! I don't know where that came from...gosh!' +Brutherford dressing up as Mark Twain to solve their issues...bonus points when they try it on the Chalmoc and it ends up eating their plant. +Tendi's sister and her familial issues come up which buys both women a measure of...closure. +And I almost forgot continuity with Enterprise. I didn't like the Orion episode in Enterprise whose name I forgot but it was actually nice to see it get acknowledged, referenced, and then they continued on with the concept of the Orions actually being a matriarchy. It really did work out. + And Tendi gets more explanation for why she is 'not that type of Orion' Admittedly this is more fan theory on my point but I did find it interesting she had a science way to counteract the pheremone. Which might explain why she don't have it either through surgical means. +which did remember to it was funny with the whole hump bar thing. With them being all like 'actually the pheremone thing was made up'...no it wasn't apparently. lol. Star Trek Resurgance- Just finished a Lets Play of the game, again Telltale not quite my style so not something I'd get...just watch. But this was actually fascinating from a plot standpoint and Jara Rydek is a great addition to the Trek cannon. If only it wasn't beta canon...probably. It also did one of those interesting Beta Canon things where it introducing something from canon in order to expand on it and tell a story. In this case the Tkon. And in this case they used a fairly typical sci fi trope of invasion of the body snatchers. Though to some good effect since in this case it is permenant.
It basically does boil down to that. Using the story of a Trill symbiont who was implanted in one of the character's sister and then changed her was poginant. We've never really seen the joining presented in too much of a bad light and nor have we seen a Trill that was against the process on these grounds. And sure enough the microcasm became the macrocasm with the Tkon bioforming. Probably a lot better usage of the whole Reaper thing from Mass Effect. People who look like your friends, but aren't your friend. It kind of falls apart in implementation but it was indeed an interesting twist on the whole concept.
Other then that I kind of wish it stayed focussed on the conflict between the Hotari and Alydians. Sure small steaks leading to much bigger steaks is a thing of mine and this story did exhibit some of the finest nature of Starfleet, making peace with an enemy that may not have fully deserved it. Interesting moral and ethical implications, but it still lost something in being such a big adventure maybe.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Oct 6, 2023 0:52:44 GMT
Any theories as to who the Lower Decks... ...mystery ship is?
My zany idea, it's not actually killing anyone. It's using a powerful wide-field transporter and the ship is an automated collector for that alien-zoo we saw earlier.
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Star Trek Resurgance- Just finished a Lets Play of the game, again Telltale not quite my style so not something I'd get...just watch. But this was actually fascinating from a plot standpoint and Jara Rydek is a great addition to the Trek cannon. If only it wasn't beta canon...probably. Might give it a shot. I've been enjoying watching games rather than playing some. Hell I watched a couple I own but just never get around to playing. Recently finished watching a "no-damage no-commentary Jedi Survivor run" with someone who both, wasn't shit at the game, yet still wasn't rushing around. He took the time to look at the pretty vistas. Was a delight.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 6, 2023 10:49:41 GMT
Any theories as to who the Lower Decks... ...mystery ship is?
My zany idea, it's not actually killing anyone. It's using a powerful wide-field transporter and the ship is an automated collector for that alien-zoo we saw earlier.
***
Star Trek Resurgance- Just finished a Lets Play of the game, again Telltale not quite my style so not something I'd get...just watch. But this was actually fascinating from a plot standpoint and Jara Rydek is a great addition to the Trek cannon. If only it wasn't beta canon...probably. Might give it a shot. I've been enjoying watching games rather than playing some. Hell I watched a couple I own but just never get around to playing. Recently finished watching a "no-damage no-commentary Jedi Survivor run" with someone who both, wasn't shit at the game, yet still wasn't rushing around. He took the time to look at the pretty vistas. Was a delight. Not sure if I mentioned it but my wife did mention that she thought it was weird that there weren't any bodies. Which probably wouldn't mean anything given a few different factors...however it does rather perfectly tie into what you said to.
As to who it is...no clue...the ship does not look too familiar.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Oct 12, 2023 22:26:48 GMT
LD 4e7 Well this was a fun one. Didn't shy away from the AI overload. The inimitable Jeffrey Combs was a wonderful Agimus again. Putting the Bad in Badgey; nice end to (t)his conflict though. I think once AI is at that level we're going to be pretty boned. AI realistically will win against humanity. So it seems hilariously on-point that the AI in this episode, all beat themselves. Badgey ascends, Agimus surrenders, and fucking Peanut Hamper is laying low. Fucking Peanut Hamper. Don't believe she's reformed. Don't do it. Huh, not a wide-field transporter, an overpowered tractor-beam? Close enough.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Oct 19, 2023 16:59:46 GMT
Finding a not-shite playthrough of Star Trek: Infinite to watch is proving bloody difficult. I don't want to buy the game, Stellaris-Trek isn't my shtick. I like a bit more eXterminate in my 4X's. (Endless Legend is a fav as an example.)
Some of the varying issues to date: Playing on low difficulty/trash-tier player. (Most streamers in general.) Talks too much and covers half their screen in avatars and chat. (Basically all of Twitch.) Calls 480p, 1080p, and strings the sound through two tin cans and a piece of twine before it gets to his audio receiver. Mic gains, every nostril whistle and lip-smack is thoughtfully provided to you for your earjoyment. (I suffered through one of these for a while.)
So, what I've seen of the game so far...
Buggy. Hopefully that gets remedied somewhat. One guy I was watching had an event that spawned 10 defense platforms during a war. Pretty useful, he woulda lost the war regardless but what sealed it is when he was looking in his system with the defense platforms, he then clicked on another empty system to check something. The defense platforms weirdly relocated to that uninhabited system graphically, just, outta nowhere popped up, and he lost all the platforms.
Events, quests, and little stories are great. Really the crux of why I'm watching. All the incidents and random happenings are written with Trek in mind. Tonnes of fun little stories and quest-lines. They go about certain quests interestingly, in terms of how your empire grows overall. As the Federation it looks like you can kind of go three paths. (From what little I've seen.) Independence for Bajor, save the Romulan Sun, or create Section 31. No clue how they play out but I like the premises. Don't expect much Lore-purity. You get ships/chassis when the Federation normally wouldn't have, I would've gone about it differently what whatever. I'm not watching it for that, but all these random events and encounters are making for very fun Trek reading.
Game-play seems alright but I'm not paying too much attention to that end of things. For a seemingly complicated game it seems fairly simple when it all boils down. I haven't been watching keen-tactical-geniuses though. I frankly don't like the combat at all but that's a product of the type of game rather than whether it's good or bad. Seemed to take long with little input after the fact. From what I saw I liked how many of the above-mentioned events were spawning. There always seemed to be something new happening on your planets or anomalies to explore. In terms of the map, from what I've seen so far, the center is roughly the same every time. You start in a roughly diamond-shaped blob. Cardassians West, Federation South, Klingons East, Romulans North. With the Romulan neutral zone in the very center, separating the cardies from the Klingons too. Bajor is consistently in the same place it seems as well. Outside this ring that stays the same is where things get interesting. It's unexplored space and apparently it changes every time. The Federation starts in contact with the Betazeds, but they aren't part of the Fed yet. Aside from that it's random minor powers all over. I've seen Idanians and Pelians as examples so far. Oh, and the Kesprytt lol.
Graphics and models seem pretty enough, the atmosphere feels Trek. Bit weird seeing 10 Intrepids in formation around Sol just, sitting there. Eh well.
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Post by AnDromedary on Oct 19, 2023 19:26:45 GMT
Bit weird seeing 10 Intrepids in formation around Sol just, sitting there. Eh well. Reminds me of my old Armada playthrough's where two dozen Sovereign class ships would descend on the poor Borg. Who's resistance is futile now, bitch!
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Oct 19, 2023 19:56:49 GMT
Who's resistance is futile now, bitch! lol, when you put it like that I suppose it's not so egregious. I remember my friend modding the Defiant into Civ 2.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Oct 22, 2023 20:48:02 GMT
Was kinda curious about this ship way back when ST:ENT was airing. Never thought much of it but this lil video rounds it out a bit. Neat concept, let the Enterprise test shit and make a class that benefits from it without breaking the "bank."
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Oct 27, 2023 0:46:34 GMT
LD 4e9 Mariner isn't my favourite but I rather liked her this episode. Her heart-to-heart with the Klingon during the glass rain was good stuff. Also, that Klingon, "this planet has no honour." That got a chuckle. ...Nick Locarno? Digging deep this season. Mariner being friends with Sito is an interesting idea. Bridging the Lower Decks. That and Sito had quite the arc there, one of those ones that pops up in a rewatch that I go, "oh hey I liked her. Then I remember why. Oh... right." Here's a blurb from Memory Alpha on her I'm just reading now that's pretty interesting: Following the initial broadcast of "Lower Decks", plans were made to reuse the Sito Jaxa character once again. Recollected Jeri Taylor, "The morning after Michael [Piller] saw the episode, he came in and said, 'We can't let her stay dead. We've got to bring her back. She was wonderful.'" (Captains' Logs: The Unauthorized Complete Trek Voyages, p. 298) René Echevarria explained, "There was a lot of talk about bringing her back, but we never got around to it." Though there was no time to have Sito rescued on TNG, there may have been on spinoff Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. (Star Trek: The Next Generation 365, p. 337) Almost immediately after the first airing of "Lower Decks", Piller arranged to have Sito turn up alive in an ultimately undeveloped premise for DS9. His intention to return the character to Star Trek was partly influenced by fan mail which lamented Sito's death. Shortly after devising the plan to reuse the character on DS9, Piller remarked, "I think that the character was so good, and Jeri in her wisdom allowed there to be a loophole, and we got some very good ideas of why it will be successful to bring her back." (Captains' Logs: The Unauthorized Complete Trek Voyages, p. 298) Subsequently, Ronald D. Moore stated, "We talked about this for quite awhile, but then decided that bringing Sito back would rob 'Lower Decks' of a great ending." (AOL chat, 1997) The proposed story would have found Sito in a Cardassian prison and would climax with her killing her own cellmate. Elements of the story were ultimately adapted into the DS9 episode "Hard Time". (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion (p. 326))
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Post by AnDromedary on Oct 28, 2023 3:02:22 GMT
LD 4e9 Mariner isn't my favourite but I rather liked her this episode. Her heart-to-heart with the Klingon during the glass rain was good stuff. Also, that Klingon, "this planet has no honour." That got a chuckle. ...Nick Locarno? Digging deep this season. Mariner being friends with Sito is an interesting idea. Bridging the Lower Decks. That and Sito had quite the arc there, one of those ones that pops up in a rewatch that I go, "oh hey I liked her. Then I remember why. Oh... right." Here's a blurb from Memory Alpha on her I'm just reading now that's pretty interesting: Following the initial broadcast of "Lower Decks", plans were made to reuse the Sito Jaxa character once again. Recollected Jeri Taylor, "The morning after Michael [Piller] saw the episode, he came in and said, 'We can't let her stay dead. We've got to bring her back. She was wonderful.'" (Captains' Logs: The Unauthorized Complete Trek Voyages, p. 298) René Echevarria explained, "There was a lot of talk about bringing her back, but we never got around to it." Though there was no time to have Sito rescued on TNG, there may have been on spinoff Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. (Star Trek: The Next Generation 365, p. 337) Almost immediately after the first airing of "Lower Decks", Piller arranged to have Sito turn up alive in an ultimately undeveloped premise for DS9. His intention to return the character to Star Trek was partly influenced by fan mail which lamented Sito's death. Shortly after devising the plan to reuse the character on DS9, Piller remarked, "I think that the character was so good, and Jeri in her wisdom allowed there to be a loophole, and we got some very good ideas of why it will be successful to bring her back." (Captains' Logs: The Unauthorized Complete Trek Voyages, p. 298) Subsequently, Ronald D. Moore stated, "We talked about this for quite awhile, but then decided that bringing Sito back would rob 'Lower Decks' of a great ending." (AOL chat, 1997) The proposed story would have found Sito in a Cardassian prison and would climax with her killing her own cellmate. Elements of the story were ultimately adapted into the DS9 episode "Hard Time". (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion (p. 326)) I agree that the scene between Mariner and the Klingon was great. Not so much because of the Sito reference though (it was fine but wouldn't have necessarily needed it to be her). What I like most about it was Mariner saying how she doesn't want to be a general, just an explorer. This is IMO one huge problem in Starfleet, mixing the exploration so much with the military aspects. I could imagine there are a lot of young officers in Starfleet who feel exactly the same, even without that specific trauma.
Now, I am very curious where the last episode will go with this story.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Oct 28, 2023 18:46:14 GMT
I could imagine there are a lot of young officers in Starfleet who feel exactly the same, even without that specific trauma. Ditto, Sito was a nice reference but it was the heart-to-heart that made it work.
While there were many issues with ST:Into Darkness, the premise of an Admiral wanting to build a military-grade chassis made sense. Also part of why I loved the Defiant. This divide has been an issue for a while in Trek that doesn't really make any sense. Hell even the 1701-D tackles it with hull separation and a "battle bridge."
The obvious answer is that they've been at war basically since Roddenberry died so his "utopian dream" doesn't quite stack up to the reality anymore. The Federation would have a militarized branch for defense with vessels made to fit. That's just plain reality. They're using ships of exploration crewed by scientists with military grade weaponry like jamming a square peg into a round hole. Star Trek: Why Won't It Fit?
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Post by colfoley on Oct 31, 2023 6:35:05 GMT
Lower Decks Season 4 Episode 9...The Inner Fight. So yeah this episode is now definitley my favorite of Lower Decks and we'll see how this stacks up but probably has made this season my favorite season of the show. And well needless to say I can't disagree more strongly with Trek Culture's sentiments on *that* scene. And well lots of thoughts lets just put it that way. And I think this is one of the first times this show really 'got real' which is always an interesting experiment when Sit coms 'get real'. But it harkened back to Shaw's speech in Picard. It also harkened back to the Void. And well I am constantly amazed at this show and its ability to make me want to watch old Trek...am watching the First Duty literally right now after just watching it...for reasons. +So T'lynn, Boimler get the tag team up at first this week and well... +Its always tough because by the time I get to doing this can't remember the lines but just want to say there are so many things that probably shouldn't be funny but the line delivery always gets me...again from Boimler and T'lynn here. +SO one of my favorite Star Trek deep cuts gets mentioned here and one of my favorite Trek stories because it includes one of my favorite Trek actors, Robert Duncan McNeil, and one of my favorite Trek characters with Tom Paris...Nicholas Freaking Locarno gets a name drop! (really weird seeing him as Locarno now!) +Also quick name drops for Seven of Nine, Beverly Crusher, and Thomas Riker...interesting implications. +Like how Freeman is aware of what is going on with Mariner and is trying to figure it out. -I will once again complain about the issues they are having with the Klingons. This feels like something which may get retracted but I just continue to dislike how this show makes these races even more stereotypical and hatsy then they even were before and them being...well the implication...hmm. Well no this is a long way of saying I might have to retract this later next week depending on where it goes but yeah. Still seems weird. +The criminal planet actually has a lot of regulations and beurocracy ust not in the Star Fleet way...fun. +Like how blood thirsty Mariner got down on the planet... +T'lynn brings out the nerve pinch against a Cardassian. +Glass rain. +So I guess weird of me to do this but like Sean was complaining about Mariner getting other people in danger which is kind of a fair point...but on the other hand given her issues which I am getting to I really think it works because she has kind of a death wish right now. No other way then to touch on it but she seems like she would rather be dead then promoted. And when you are that suicidal you kind of don't really think straight and I also think two of these instances proves she's trying not to...she went off alone to the transmitter. She went off alone to repair the force field, yeah she made it but if she didn't oh well and it was only pure dumb luck that the creature got with her. +Mistress of the Winter Constellations come out and play. +So first big revelation of the episode...well I mean I forgot but the crews of the ship are on that planet. Or at least some of them. But we got answers that the crews were indeed not only kidnapped (think many of us were onto it) and the ships were safe but now we learn that the ships crews themselves were the ones who sabotaged their own systems. Great we got a hint of this with the Ferengi part of the plot and it was interesting and every single one of the ships did have an undercurrent of crew problems...except for the Bynars. Also hints for what could be to come. And it does explain how this random ship could disrupt all those ship's systems like that. +So the whole plot on the planet was quite great and Freman showed a lot of initiative here playing off of alien perception of Starfleet arrogance to get one over on the alien culture thinking they were being arrogant Starfleet officers and thus my own... -Kind of the issue is how much did Freeman actually know about the puppet but if she knew it wasn't a puppet...well she just assaulted an alien dignitary which is even more OOC then what Mariner has been doing all season. And the thought did occur to me. +And not only a name drop but we get Nick in the flesh and plus his symbol is that of the Starburst. And from here general commentary on the episode...
So + To Mariner essentially trying to redo and restart the Federation here and stick to Federation principles. May be putting the cart before the horses but I just love how when she got past her issues of the season she went back to Starfleet principles and trying to work through things through mutual cooperation...similar to Voyager and the Void. A mini Federation and the best of what Trek has to offer, diverse perspectives coming together for common cause. Which is interesting to because Lacarno seems to be doing just the opposite. Whatever is going on he is seemingly collecting ships and crews that have a bone to gripe with their respective cultures or situations. We obviously don't know his end game but again he is taking dissastisfied crew, having them mutiny, and then taking their ships. I have a half theory Section 31 may be involved actually with this to. Which now that he may have collected all the ships he wants to he is now going after individual ex Starfleet officers...more people with potential axes to grind. Beverly is the odd one out of that list but Seven could've definitley been percieved as having an ax to grind...and Locarno apparently does have one though with The First Duty he seemed to leave on good terms so hmm. +And Mariner's heart to heart. Best scene of the episode because it does really add so much context to her character which I love and so much more makes sense. Trekculture said it muddied the timeline but it really confirmed it because well in the first season we saw her accademy friend already make Captain...while you are still an Ensign. And sure Mariner looks young but her friend didn't so Mariner just looks young. And again it harkens back to the Shaw speech because, again, one of the best things about new Trek is it does deal with the tension of perfect people living in an imperfect universe. Or at least a very good society having to deal with horror and trauma. Starfleet and the Federation was big good, almost a utopia, and then having to face a very violent imperfect universe. And the tension because Mariner does say that the military aspect does bump into that exploratory aspect and something we have seen most recently in Under the Cloak of War. Except this time it related to the Dominion War and Starfleet involving itself in some very nasty business, espionage. And her line about 'I want to be an Ensign before I want to be a general', to kill people, perfectly understandable and...well to wrap this up though the only way to try and make sure something like that does not hapen is to get promoted. Oh and + The inclusion of SIto Jaxa, again, I disagree. Sure might've been pulling names out of a hat...but harkening it back to the episode that gave this show its name sake and making her Mariner's friend...just chefs kiss.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Nov 5, 2023 22:15:14 GMT
Spoilers for everything↓ Galactic Barrier Does nuTrek seem to be teeing up enemies from beyond it? Control in DisS2 seems to itself be or alludes to a better machine further beyond it, 10-C obviously if only a lil, and now possibly the tear the nuBorg have overwatch of. Watched a vid, the best theory seems to be from some beta canon novels, wherein the Q made the Galactic and Great Barriers to both pen in that god-entity from ST:5, and to keep out a being(s) that is a threat to the Q (that they themselves summoned from another reality or somesuch) called Zero. I'm not espousing the theory, but it's rather interesting. And the idea just has had me wondering since back when DisS4 aired. There's a lot of potential there, and with them shutting the door on the Borg as their "main" villain in PicS3, I'm wondering if AI in a more general "Controlish" sense will take that slot over. Also could be the Kelvans. *** Spoilers for LD 4e10↓ Seeing Mariner "boim" it up to Nova Squadron was a bit refreshing, and inline with why she likes him like a big sis. Steamrunner? Neat. Boimler showing some (more) aptitude for command, good stuff.
A Tendi/Orion assassin/political plot? By body is ready.
*** Also, random tidbit for those that keep up with Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds.↓ The creature that's sucking on the nacelle in the Lower Decks intro, in the intro in the crossover ep in Strange New Worlds it detaches near Starbase:1. I would love to see them do an episode/reference about that, 'cause it's a blink-and-you'll-miss-it thing.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 8, 2023 3:20:24 GMT
Lower Decks Season 4.10...Old Friends, New Planets. What an episode. What a season finale and now this show has really grown. Graned might have been an element to binging it but think season 4 is when its finally hit 'its stride' and much like the Orville dealing with a lot more serious subject matter then in the past but still maintaining a funny edge, just more in the background. Still as self referntial as ever but in this case in ways that legit serve the plot. +The opening scene starring Robert Duncan McNeil as Nick Lacarno... +Will Wheaton as Wesley Crusher. +And the return of Sito Jaxa. +As if piggy backing off of the conversation last week we have more clarification on the timeline which has positives and negatives but this is still mostly a win. First off as Trek Culture pointed out if this is 2381 then they are doing the sitcom/ Mash thing where this show will take place in an eternal 2281. Which kind of stinks for continuity purposes because as they said its been an absurdly busy year for the Ceritos with that context in mind. Second of all it does put a firm timeline on Mariner given that I at least got the impression that Mariner was a junior classman/ freshman...actually pretty sure this was stated outright by the dialogue so that means she has roughly had a 9 year career. And following on from dialogue from Harry Kim in ST Voyager and keeping in mind the Kirk effect from TOS and the Kelvin Timeline this does seem more then enough time for a highly competent officer to get promoted at least once and then demoted so all that tracks. Thing is again this throws a spanner into the works for her Captain friend earlier in the show. Like could have another upper classman situation but I also believe she mentioned that Mariner was in her class and while nine years is a pretty solid time from to make Lt, maybe LTCMDR and MAYYYYBBBBEEE CMDR I do find her being a Captain suddenly a lot more sus. Still despite the issues nice to have some expansion on issues from last episode and as far as Mariner is concerned this does rather fit with everything so yes, ultimatley a win. +Nick Lacarno in the future played by Robert Duncan McNeil. So nice to see/ hear him again, everyone knows how big of a Paris/ McNeil fan I am. +I rather like how they handled Mariner because at first I was afraid she was going to play along with Nick which would be cool from her perspective but would have been annoying because we would've gotten a lot of 'omg Mariner you bitch' comments on the Ceritos. Probably makes a lot of sense in hindsight they didn't given a down I will have for the ep but I am really glad that Mariner was just like 'this bitch be crazy' and then yeet the Genesis device out of there. -I sometimes feel like so many of my downs are really weirdly focused since I got a reminder that we did see the Genesis device earlier in the season but..the Genesis Device is a really weird inclusion here given its history in Wrath of Khan and my assumption/ real heavy lore implication that because of Wrath of Khan and Search for Spock I thought the tech would've been banned. Black Market sure but holy what a big thing for the Black Market. -What exactly was Nick's plan? Sure him just doing this random thing I guess could work but he went to a lot of trouble assembling this fleet just to do nothing with it? Just sit there in system behind a shield? Nova Fleet? Might've missed something so again could stand or could get retreatracted. +Best joke of the episode: Doesen't he look like Tom Paris...nah I just don't see it. +Might as well stick this here though to because at first I almost downed the Starfleet's and everyone's lack of action in trying to get in there but I think it was around here that it did hit me that each one of these governments would've wanted to deal with their own criminals...though more of that in a minute. +My wife called the Miglemo gag before it happened and it was hillarious because it almost worked but... +Didn't actually work. Sort of. As wifey said and I agree I would've thought it would've been a tie but that is also what you get when you leave the Orions to ref their own fight. But the whole sequence was hilarious as hell. /Which also made it really weird to when they betrayed them because given the ultimate deal there were like a lot of really sus things that the Orions did where they could've cried foul and back out of the deal on their end... +But I guess it did work because they threw it at the shield. Amazing. +Also Captain Bradward Boimler really fit the command chair really well and it was cool seeing the Lower Deckers essentially in charge. +No one uses the Captain's Yacht *snort*. +Mariner fighting with psychology and Starfleet principles. Given the thematic nature last week and her big character moment it actually really works and is a very nice juxtoposition between her and Nova Fleet/ Locarno. -So they penetrate the shield, Locarno goes all bitch boy and authoritarian, but then the fleet just betrays him and stays on the side lines? I mean I get it Locrno wasn't who they thought he was but mutiny and stealing starships should all be big crimes, especially for Cardassians/Klingons/ Romulans, and they went pretty far into this just to back down at the smallest sign of opposition which given that death or long prison time is waiting every single one of them it makes no sense and this feels like A. making sure the forces survive because you had the Yacht, maybe the Cerritos, and Mariner's Steamrunner vs an entire fleet. And B. for time. Like honestly really think this should have been a three parter and like I remember having the thought when they went to Orion that it was like 'OK we are going to see them go hunt for allies and form their own Nova Fleet essentially' but that did not happen and maybe if it was a three parter it could have. Go to people who owe them favors and we have seen a lot of that this season and could have easily taken out some of the filler this season to make sure this plot had enough time to breathe like I loved it but the Cave episode could've easily gone in hindsight. +The renactment of the Wrath of Khan and the Battle of the Mutura nebula with musical cues by James Horner and the whole thing with the Genesis Device at the end. +Nick Lacarno dies stubbournly...yeah good thing sometimes about telling nuanced storytelling is sometimes you just need someone to not go for it. Mariner made a very balanced very principled yet very Mariner stand (I believe in the mission) yet Locarno ultimatley didn't buy the Koolaid and died as a result. And the antagonistic ships didn't either. Sure probably would've won it just as strongly at Locarno been redeemed at the end but also at the end while I believe in the power of redemption I also recognize that not everyone is going to go for it at the proper moment which makes this a tragedy because he could have. Locarno despite his arrogance could've made a hell of an officer if he just made a couple of different choices. Knowing Starfleet if he surrendered and after a period in jail he probably would've had a second chance at some kind of career even but no, he chose to stick to his guns to the end. And that is perfectly tragic, and made him a perfect foil for Mariner. +They put the off button behind a paywall-*boom* Speculation on the future from 4.10 -Tendi actually left the ship. Given what's going on and everything I feel like this could be their way of actually writing her out of the show. Like given the drama in Hollywood right now feel like while this could be setting up something also we started with four and now there are four and given things to it would make sense for T'lynn to stay the 'lower decks' perspective on the team since the show seems to be moving on slightly from that premise. And again given how the Orions acted to leaves a bit of a bad taste. + However on the flip side one of the big themes of this season is these characters moving beyond the Lower Decks premise. Unlike my somewhat fear that their LTJGness would just stay the same just with a higher rank but still be the underdogs, and while the cave episode and the isolinear chip business did hint at that, we also saw these characters actually coming into their own a lot more and showing promise of actually being good Captains one day and just how special this crew could be to Starfleet. Eveyrone except for Rutherford. But Boims had his first mision as CO and his pep talk from T'lynn where he learned about the importance of command which then carried over to him actually handling the Ceritos well in battle as its temporary CO showing a lot of command promise. You had the part three holodeck episode where Tendi also showed command potential and admitted she wanted to be a Captain. And finally Mariner finally feels a lot more balanced of a character and she has finally gotten through her issues. She'll still be Mariner a rebel probably but I think she too has come into her own and accepted Starfleet for what it is and is also probably on track for further promotion and her own ship one day and will again make a fine Captain...as long as she is willing to throw down when neccessary. Which then also brings me back to Tendi because I don't see this trend going away season 5, hopefully it will come, will continue to push the envelope. We could have T'lynn be the junior character but even she, given her advice to Boimler seems pretty even keeled and well on her way as well. But then you have Tendi which if they don't plan on writing her out of the show her growing into herself and her own version of Starfleet leadership could contrast wonderfully with her being on Orion and a part of her crime family. Depends on how far they go with it but the Orions might not know what hit them. So season 4 was a pretty great season. As I have said Lower Decks has been a bit...risky at times. Humor can be a tough thing to nail and sit coms can be and they do a pretty good job and the self referential nature of the jokes usually are delightful but when they don't land...they don't land. But season 4 went a lot way to showing that this show can be more then just a sit com and actually tell important, heart felt stories...but with an eye to humor in the background, and continue to expand upon the Trek universe but not in a new way but just offering things we haven't seen in a while. Still biggest complaint is they didn't really use their time the best this season and didn't set things up properly, could've used a three parter for the end as I said and: While I loved the scene and it makes sense that Mariner's issues are what they are I actually think that they didn't do enough to hint that this was what was bothering her early in the season. Sure her wanting to lone wolf it all the time sort of but really could have included a scene of her actively trying to not give orders or take responsibility, just something. This does make it seem like it came a little out of nowhere despite it clearly being a planned intention from the beginning and feels like the writers not only didn't know how to fully balance out their time commitments but were too afraid to hint at it too strongly to not 'spoil' the surprirse.
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Lower Decks Season 4.10...Old Friends, New Planets. What an episode. What a season finale and now this show has really grown. Graned might have been an element to binging it but think season 4 is when its finally hit 'its stride' and much like the Orville dealing with a lot more serious subject matter then in the past but still maintaining a funny edge, just more in the background. Still as self referntial as ever but in this case in ways that legit serve the plot. +The opening scene starring Robert Duncan McNeil as Nick Lacarno... +Will Wheaton as Wesley Crusher. +And the return of Sito Jaxa. +As if piggy backing off of the conversation last week we have more clarification on the timeline which has positives and negatives but this is still mostly a win. First off as Trek Culture pointed out if this is 2381 then they are doing the sitcom/ Mash thing where this show will take place in an eternal 2281. Which kind of stinks for continuity purposes because as they said its been an absurdly busy year for the Ceritos with that context in mind. Second of all it does put a firm timeline on Mariner given that I at least got the impression that Mariner was a junior classman/ freshman...actually pretty sure this was stated outright by the dialogue so that means she has roughly had a 9 year career. And following on from dialogue from Harry Kim in ST Voyager and keeping in mind the Kirk effect from TOS and the Kelvin Timeline this does seem more then enough time for a highly competent officer to get promoted at least once and then demoted so all that tracks. Thing is again this throws a spanner into the works for her Captain friend earlier in the show. Like could have another upper classman situation but I also believe she mentioned that Mariner was in her class and while nine years is a pretty solid time from to make Lt, maybe LTCMDR and MAYYYYBBBBEEE CMDR I do find her being a Captain suddenly a lot more sus. Still despite the issues nice to have some expansion on issues from last episode and as far as Mariner is concerned this does rather fit with everything so yes, ultimatley a win. +Nick Lacarno in the future played by Robert Duncan McNeil. So nice to see/ hear him again, everyone knows how big of a Paris/ McNeil fan I am. +I rather like how they handled Mariner because at first I was afraid she was going to play along with Nick which would be cool from her perspective but would have been annoying because we would've gotten a lot of 'omg Mariner you bitch' comments on the Ceritos. Probably makes a lot of sense in hindsight they didn't given a down I will have for the ep but I am really glad that Mariner was just like 'this bitch be crazy' and then yeet the Genesis device out of there. -I sometimes feel like so many of my downs are really weirdly focused since I got a reminder that we did see the Genesis device earlier in the season but..the Genesis Device is a really weird inclusion here given its history in Wrath of Khan and my assumption/ real heavy lore implication that because of Wrath of Khan and Search for Spock I thought the tech would've been banned. Black Market sure but holy what a big thing for the Black Market. -What exactly was Nick's plan? Sure him just doing this random thing I guess could work but he went to a lot of trouble assembling this fleet just to do nothing with it? Just sit there in system behind a shield? Nova Fleet? Might've missed something so again could stand or could get retreatracted. +Best joke of the episode: Doesen't he look like Tom Paris...nah I just don't see it. +Might as well stick this here though to because at first I almost downed the Starfleet's and everyone's lack of action in trying to get in there but I think it was around here that it did hit me that each one of these governments would've wanted to deal with their own criminals...though more of that in a minute. +My wife called the Miglemo gag before it happened and it was hillarious because it almost worked but... +Didn't actually work. Sort of. As wifey said and I agree I would've thought it would've been a tie but that is also what you get when you leave the Orions to ref their own fight. But the whole sequence was hilarious as hell. /Which also made it really weird to when they betrayed them because given the ultimate deal there were like a lot of really sus things that the Orions did where they could've cried foul and back out of the deal on their end... +But I guess it did work because they threw it at the shield. Amazing. +Also Captain Bradward Boimler really fit the command chair really well and it was cool seeing the Lower Deckers essentially in charge. +No one uses the Captain's Yacht *snort*. +Mariner fighting with psychology and Starfleet principles. Given the thematic nature last week and her big character moment it actually really works and is a very nice juxtoposition between her and Nova Fleet/ Locarno. -So they penetrate the shield, Locarno goes all bitch boy and authoritarian, but then the fleet just betrays him and stays on the side lines? I mean I get it Locrno wasn't who they thought he was but mutiny and stealing starships should all be big crimes, especially for Cardassians/Klingons/ Romulans, and they went pretty far into this just to back down at the smallest sign of opposition which given that death or long prison time is waiting every single one of them it makes no sense and this feels like A. making sure the forces survive because you had the Yacht, maybe the Cerritos, and Mariner's Steamrunner vs an entire fleet. And B. for time. Like honestly really think this should have been a three parter and like I remember having the thought when they went to Orion that it was like 'OK we are going to see them go hunt for allies and form their own Nova Fleet essentially' but that did not happen and maybe if it was a three parter it could have. Go to people who owe them favors and we have seen a lot of that this season and could have easily taken out some of the filler this season to make sure this plot had enough time to breathe like I loved it but the Cave episode could've easily gone in hindsight. +The renactment of the Wrath of Khan and the Battle of the Mutura nebula with musical cues by James Horner and the whole thing with the Genesis Device at the end. +Nick Lacarno dies stubbournly...yeah good thing sometimes about telling nuanced storytelling is sometimes you just need someone to not go for it. Mariner made a very balanced very principled yet very Mariner stand (I believe in the mission) yet Locarno ultimatley didn't buy the Koolaid and died as a result. And the antagonistic ships didn't either. Sure probably would've won it just as strongly at Locarno been redeemed at the end but also at the end while I believe in the power of redemption I also recognize that not everyone is going to go for it at the proper moment which makes this a tragedy because he could have. Locarno despite his arrogance could've made a hell of an officer if he just made a couple of different choices. Knowing Starfleet if he surrendered and after a period in jail he probably would've had a second chance at some kind of career even but no, he chose to stick to his guns to the end. And that is perfectly tragic, and made him a perfect foil for Mariner. +They put the off button behind a paywall-*boom* Speculation on the future from 4.10 -Tendi actually left the ship. Given what's going on and everything I feel like this could be their way of actually writing her out of the show. Like given the drama in Hollywood right now feel like while this could be setting up something also we started with four and now there are four and given things to it would make sense for T'lynn to stay the 'lower decks' perspective on the team since the show seems to be moving on slightly from that premise. And again given how the Orions acted to leaves a bit of a bad taste. + However on the flip side one of the big themes of this season is these characters moving beyond the Lower Decks premise. Unlike my somewhat fear that their LTJGness would just stay the same just with a higher rank but still be the underdogs, and while the cave episode and the isolinear chip business did hint at that, we also saw these characters actually coming into their own a lot more and showing promise of actually being good Captains one day and just how special this crew could be to Starfleet. Eveyrone except for Rutherford. But Boims had his first mision as CO and his pep talk from T'lynn where he learned about the importance of command which then carried over to him actually handling the Ceritos well in battle as its temporary CO showing a lot of command promise. You had the part three holodeck episode where Tendi also showed command potential and admitted she wanted to be a Captain. And finally Mariner finally feels a lot more balanced of a character and she has finally gotten through her issues. She'll still be Mariner a rebel probably but I think she too has come into her own and accepted Starfleet for what it is and is also probably on track for further promotion and her own ship one day and will again make a fine Captain...as long as she is willing to throw down when neccessary. Which then also brings me back to Tendi because I don't see this trend going away season 5, hopefully it will come, will continue to push the envelope. We could have T'lynn be the junior character but even she, given her advice to Boimler seems pretty even keeled and well on her way as well. But then you have Tendi which if they don't plan on writing her out of the show her growing into herself and her own version of Starfleet leadership could contrast wonderfully with her being on Orion and a part of her crime family. Depends on how far they go with it but the Orions might not know what hit them. So season 4 was a pretty great season. As I have said Lower Decks has been a bit...risky at times. Humor can be a tough thing to nail and sit coms can be and they do a pretty good job and the self referential nature of the jokes usually are delightful but when they don't land...they don't land. But season 4 went a lot way to showing that this show can be more then just a sit com and actually tell important, heart felt stories...but with an eye to humor in the background, and continue to expand upon the Trek universe but not in a new way but just offering things we haven't seen in a while. Still biggest complaint is they didn't really use their time the best this season and didn't set things up properly, could've used a three parter for the end as I said and: While I loved the scene and it makes sense that Mariner's issues are what they are I actually think that they didn't do enough to hint that this was what was bothering her early in the season. Sure her wanting to lone wolf it all the time sort of but really could have included a scene of her actively trying to not give orders or take responsibility, just something. This does make it seem like it came a little out of nowhere despite it clearly being a planned intention from the beginning and feels like the writers not only didn't know how to fully balance out their time commitments but were too afraid to hint at it too strongly to not 'spoil' the surprirse. Actually, during the middle of the season I was almost a little fatigued by the show. It's not that there is a particularly bad episode or anything like that but I don't know, by the time the cave episode came around, I was a bit like "self referential humor - check, characters have difficulties coming from their personality quirks - check, a bit of slapstick and silly humor - check". I mean, it was still funny but I thought the show was kinda winding down a little. Also, while I do agree, Trek Culture didn't quite get the Mariner arc, I did see their point about her actions becoming a bit repetitive throughout the 4 seasons. And I also agree with them: I REALLY hope we'll see something a little more fresh from her in season 5 (after the finale of s4 though, I am confident this will be the case). So yeah, also, around that middle of the season time rumors popped up about LD being canceled after this season and I found myself thinking "hm, I could live with that" (just to clarify: These rumors were false. The VA of Captain Freeman confirmed in the Ready Room that the entire main cast will be back for season 5). But then the last two episodes hit and yeah, now I am back in. Awesome season finale! In reply to just 5 of your points: - "What was Locarno's plan?" My interpretation was that he basically wanted to found a new independent state (or rather an anti-authoritarian pretty anarchist non-state zone), using the threat of the genesis device as a bargaining chip and the Trinar shield for defense. Was it the best plan? Surely not but I think that was the underlying idea. I do have another question though: Is it ever resolved where he actually got that initial ship that he used to capture all the others (I mean that white one we saw throughout the season, that goes vertical to fire)? I know we saw the schematics in Locarno's "lair" last episode but where did he get those schematics? Did he invent it? (if so, kudos.) And how did he build it? If any of that was explained, I missed it. - Mariner not playing along with Locarno: I think this was absolutely the right decision, given that she had this cathartic moment already in the last episode when talking to the Klingon. At this point, she was just ready for action to follow up on that declaration of her principles. - The whole "barter by combat" scene: First of all, Miglimu rousing his feathers was a genuine "spit my coffee" moment for me. Kudos to your wife for calling it, I didn't see it coming. What really made it for me though was the chicken clucking sound. However, one down, I would have given was for Freeman actually handing the ship over. WTF? Was there a secret plan that I didn't catch or something? What was that? As for Tendi leaving the ship, I am fairly confident this will just be resolved in the first episode of s5. Similar to how Freeman's arrest earlier in the show was dealt with fairly quickly. - I do agree that Boimler looked good in the captain's chair there, way better than expected actually. Color me impressed. - The other renegades abandoning Locarno this quickly: I felt it made sense. It wasn't because the plan went a bit sideways IMO, but rather because Locarno started trying to give them orders. His whole group was built around the idea of over exaggerated anti-authoritarianism. As soon as he tried to change his role from a spokesperson to an actual leader, everyone else was like "Fuck this, I'm out of here." I thought this was pretty well depicted actually. Oh, by the way: Not sure if this was a miss by Cetacean Observations or just my personal (mis-)interpretation but I thought that a lot of the symbolism in Locarno's group was based around the Nova-Starburst, the maneuver that got him kicked out of the academy. That five-pointed star seems to be their symbol. Locarno has it on his chest, where usually a com-badge would be and also, to me, that was what the shape of their space station was all about. Just a thought. Anyway, really good episodes at the end there.
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Things I've Thought of Since Perusing Shittydaystrom for a Day or So Again:If a trill received the symbiote from their parent, they would have memories of their conception. Tinman and a gormagander are the reason for Pic S3's nebula. Klingons should have four butt-cheeks.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jan 2, 2024 12:12:05 GMT
Things I've Thought of Since Perusing Shittydaystrom for a Day or So Again:If a trill received the symbiote from their parent, they would have memories of their conception. Tinman and a gormagander are the reason for Pic S3's nebula. Klingons should have four butt-cheeks. Not gonna lie, only understand the first one. And I kinda wish I didn't. lol That poor trill.
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Post by GhostofFuckIt on Jan 4, 2024 1:20:32 GMT
Things I've Thought of Since Perusing Shittydaystrom for a Day or So Again:If a trill received the symbiote from their parent, they would have memories of their conception. Tinman and a gormagander are the reason for Pic S3's nebula. Klingons should have four butt-cheeks. Not gonna lie, only understand the first one. And I kinda wish I didn't. lol That poor trill. Not sure I should explain the other two then.
Tinman and Gormagander, uhm. You've heard of the birds. And, the bees...? Also that guy was presumably on the ship so there's a voyeuristic aspect to this that gets freaké, I won't got into that but, yeah. Not the weirdest thing in Star Trek. (Have you heard of Warp10 Salamander babies?)
Klingons have redundant biological systems. Clearly that should've included butt-cheeks. Someone mentioned that they think the butt-cheeks would be layered like a tetris L block, which I think makes sense. Optimization and maximum efficiency for butt-cheekage coverage.
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