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Post by shinary on Oct 23, 2017 7:56:03 GMT
Protip: it's not very useful to seriously engage luzarius on this point. Cassandra's appearance seems to have triggered him somehow, and it's been his major topic on this board for years. I invested into a massive role play in regards to a Chantry loyalist in the first two games. Everything was set & ready. Cassandra was to be romanced per the role play, but I had no idea that they would make her purposely look mannish like that. It ruined everything. I can't romance a mannish chick, it's .. oh god... I'm not unreasonable though. She looks like a lesbian you know? I figured Cassandra would be AT least bisexual given how mannish she looks, but omg, she's not bisexual either... It makes no sense. I could've easily just rolled a woman hero and romanced Cassandra. She would be the mannish butch and my character would be the lipstick right? I have no problem role playing a lesbian woman, but Bioware screwed me on that too. Bioware thinks they're so cute messing with stereotypes, but I HATE IT. If she looks like a butch lesbian, CHANCES ARE SHE'S A BUTCH LESBIAN. I despise SJW's so much for this. It's good that I get to see them suffer until 2020 (SMILE) hahahahahah I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry... people are scary!
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Post by scootshoot on Oct 23, 2017 12:09:59 GMT
Good rant OP! Can't disagree with anything you say...
Am surprised you left out the mounts. In a huge vast world it's advantageous to have epic mounts for travel yet in DAI you literally get no sense for speed when riding one and the controls are even worse so after the initial cool phase rubs off (all of 2 minutes), you don't bother with them anymore. What's interesting is a lot of their DLC's have mounts as a sell point.
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Post by naughtynomad on Oct 23, 2017 14:07:57 GMT
Good rant OP! Can't disagree with anything you say... Am surprised you left out the mounts. In a huge vast world it's advantageous to have epic mounts for travel yet in DAI you literally get no sense for speed when riding one and the controls are even worse so after the initial cool phase rubs off (all of 2 minutes), you don't bother with them anymore. What's interesting is a lot of their DLC's have mounts as a sell point. Plus with specific classes and gear, the Inquisitor can move faster than mount travel... dumb dumb dumb.
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Post by dmc1001 on Oct 23, 2017 14:24:37 GMT
Protip: it's not very useful to seriously engage luzarius on this point. Cassandra's appearance seems to have triggered him somehow, and it's been his major topic on this board for years. I invested into a massive role play in regards to a Chantry loyalist in the first two games. Everything was set & ready. Cassandra was to be romanced per the role play, but I had no idea that they would make her purposely look mannish like that. It ruined everything. I can't romance a mannish chick, it's .. oh god... I'm not unreasonable though. She looks like a lesbian you know? I figured Cassandra would be AT least bisexual given how mannish she looks, but omg, she's not bisexual either... It makes no sense. I could've easily just rolled a woman hero and romanced Cassandra. She would be the mannish butch and my character would be the lipstick right? I have no problem role playing a lesbian woman, but Bioware screwed me on that too. Bioware thinks they're so cute messing with stereotypes, but I HATE IT. If she looks like a butch lesbian, CHANCES ARE SHE'S A BUTCH LESBIAN. I despise SJW's so much for this. It's good that I get to see them suffer until 2020 (SMILE) hahahahahah Not acquainted with the real world, are you? There are tough, straight women and extremely feminine lesbians. It's a thing. You see a conspiracy with Cassandra where none exists. She's a warrior so they make her look and act like...a warrior!! Holy shit, that's fucking crazy!
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Post by FireAndBlood on Oct 23, 2017 14:38:54 GMT
Protip: it's not very useful to seriously engage luzarius on this point. Cassandra's appearance seems to have triggered him somehow, and it's been his major topic on this board for years. I invested into a massive role play in regards to a Chantry loyalist in the first two games. Everything was set & ready. Cassandra was to be romanced per the role play, but I had no idea that they would make her purposely look mannish like that. It ruined everything. I can't romance a mannish chick, it's .. oh god... I'm not unreasonable though. She looks like a lesbian you know? I figured Cassandra would be AT least bisexual given how mannish she looks, but omg, she's not bisexual either... It makes no sense. I could've easily just rolled a woman hero and romanced Cassandra. She would be the mannish butch and my character would be the lipstick right? I have no problem role playing a lesbian woman, but Bioware screwed me on that too. Bioware thinks they're so cute messing with stereotypes, but I HATE IT. If she looks like a butch lesbian, CHANCES ARE SHE'S A BUTCH LESBIAN. I despise SJW's so much for this. It's good that I get to see them suffer until 2020 (SMILE) hahahahahah You're a virgin aren't you?
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 23, 2017 15:33:43 GMT
I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry... people are scary! Ordinarily I'd recommend laughter, but luzarius' posting history is kinda sad.
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 23, 2017 15:58:12 GMT
I invested into a massive role play in regards to a Chantry loyalist in the first two games. Everything was set & ready. Cassandra was to be romanced per the role play, but I had no idea that they would make her purposely look mannish like that. It ruined everything. I can't romance a mannish chick, it's .. oh god... I'm not unreasonable though. She looks like a lesbian you know? I figured Cassandra would be AT least bisexual given how mannish she looks, but omg, she's not bisexual either... It makes no sense. I could've easily just rolled a woman hero and romanced Cassandra. She would be the mannish butch and my character would be the lipstick right? I have no problem role playing a lesbian woman, but Bioware screwed me on that too. Bioware thinks they're so cute messing with stereotypes, but I HATE IT. If she looks like a butch lesbian, CHANCES ARE SHE'S A BUTCH LESBIAN. You don't seem to actually be informed about what the concept artist was thinking. Have you not read those interviews, or do you think they're lies? Protip for you: don't mix a sympathy play and rampant douchebaggery in the same post.
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Post by luzarius on Oct 23, 2017 16:30:18 GMT
It's like you guys want Bioware to fail with your politically correct garbage.
HOT BABES ARE GOOD
UGLY WOMEN ARE BAD
It's very simple.
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Post by Domakir on Oct 23, 2017 16:43:35 GMT
It's like you guys want Bioware to fail with your politically correct garbage. HOT BABES ARE GOOD UGLY WOMEN ARE BAD It's very simple.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 23, 2017 16:45:54 GMT
It's like you guys want Bioware to fail with your politically correct garbage. HOT BABES ARE GOOD UGLY WOMEN ARE BAD It's very simple. > claims Bioware games will fail if they do this > DAI does this > DAI is Bioware's best-selling game to date Also, even if you are right then it's a good thing that the female LIs are found to be attractive to the vast majority of players then.
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 23, 2017 17:33:41 GMT
It's a view. And if luzarius shares it without insulting people (and doesn't spam) that's within our rules. It's kind of up to everyone if there needs to be a huge debate, we have gone around this track before...
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Post by luzarius on Oct 23, 2017 17:38:33 GMT
It's like you guys want Bioware to fail with your politically correct garbage. HOT BABES ARE GOOD UGLY WOMEN ARE BAD It's very simple. > claims Bioware games will fail if they do this > DAI does this > DAI is Bioware's best-selling game to date Also, even if you are right then it's a good thing that the female LIs are found to be attractive to the vast majority of players then. Bioware's best selling game to date is not good enough, especially given how long they've been in the industry. Witcher 3 sold 10+ million copies and I'm pretty sure it had a lot to do with how beautiful Yennefer, Triss & Ciri were. I agree sexualization alone isn't enough to sell a game, but it's the icing on the cake that can propel a game into massive sales. I strongly believe this. It completes the formula needed for massive sales. It's a view. And if luzarius shares it without insulting people (and doesn't spam) that's within our rules. It's kind of up to everyone if there needs to be a huge debate, we have gone around this track before... Thanks, I'll try not to post too much and keep it contained to single posts. I won't bump too much! I care a lot about Bioware, but the politically correct stuff will destroy them if they don't throw it into the garbage where it belongs.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 23, 2017 17:46:43 GMT
> claims Bioware games will fail if they do this > DAI does this > DAI is Bioware's best-selling game to date Also, even if you are right then it's a good thing that the female LIs are found to be attractive to the vast majority of players then. Bioware's best selling game to date is not good enough, especially given how long they've been in the industry. Witcher 3 sold 10+ million copies and I'm pretty sure it had a lot to do with how beautiful Yennefer, Triss & Ciri were. I agree sexualization alone isn't enough to sell a game, but it's the icing on the cake that can propel a game into massive sales. I strongly believe this. It completes the formula needed for massive sales. *looks at the list of best-selling games* Hmm, Witcher 3 isn't on that list(goes to Top 50 btw) so I guess it's not good enough either. Also your formula is wrong since among those best-selling games, only a few have anything sexual in them, including only 1(GTA V) in the Top 10 and 0 in the Top 5.
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Post by luzarius on Oct 23, 2017 17:49:18 GMT
Bioware's best selling game to date is not good enough, especially given how long they've been in the industry. Witcher 3 sold 10+ million copies and I'm pretty sure it had a lot to do with how beautiful Yennefer, Triss & Ciri were. I agree sexualization alone isn't enough to sell a game, but it's the icing on the cake that can propel a game into massive sales. I strongly believe this. It completes the formula needed for massive sales. *looks at the list of best-selling games* Hmm, Witcher 3 isn't on that list(goes to Top 50 btw) so I guess you're wrong. Among the best-selling games, only a few have anything sexual in them, including only 1(GTA V) in the Top 10 and 0 in the Top 5. I'm talking about RPG's. Skyrim enjoyed massive sales because it had the potential for modding which lead to guess what? Massive sexualization. I'm 100% sure that contributed to it's 30+ million sales. GTA 5 had a strip club, even rockstar knows not to neglect sexualization. I think sexualization in RPG's needs to not only exist, but taken further for girl gamers & gay gamers. Give EVERYONE eye candy!
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Post by Catilina on Oct 23, 2017 17:50:47 GMT
*looks at the list of best-selling games* Hmm, Witcher 3 isn't on that list(goes to Top 50 btw) so I guess you're wrong. Among the best-selling games, only a few have anything sexual in them, including only 1(GTA V) in the Top 10 and 0 in the Top 5. I'm talking about RPG's. Skyrim enjoyed massive sales because it had the potential for modding which lead to guess what? Massive sexualization. I'm 100% sure that contributed to it's 30+ million sales. GTA 5 had a strip club, even rockstar knows not to neglect sexualization. I think sexualization in RPG's needs to not only exist, but taken further for girl gamers & gay gamers. Give EVERYONE eye candy! And you think, The Iron Bull was an eye candy?
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*looks at the list of best-selling games* Hmm, Witcher 3 isn't on that list(goes to Top 50 btw) so I guess you're wrong. Among the best-selling games, only a few have anything sexual in them, including only 1(GTA V) in the Top 10 and 0 in the Top 5. I'm talking about RPG's. Skyrim enjoyed massive sales because it had the potential for modding which lead to guess what? Massive sexualization. I'm 100% sure that contributed to it's 30+ million sales. GTA 5 had a strip club, even rockstar knows not to neglect sexualization. I think sexualization in RPG's needs to not only exist, but taken further for girl gamers & gay gamers. Give EVERYONE eye candy! Keep moving those goal posts. Even among RPGs, most of the best-selling ones have no sexuality in them or at least nowhere near the amounts Bioware and CDPR do. So the key to success is not sexuality, but accessibility to modding. I'm glad you accept that you were mistaken. Or, and this is a crazy idea I know, the developers make the kinds of games they want to make. Clearly sex appeal isn't the huge factor you claim it is, so it doesn't matter.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 23, 2017 17:54:34 GMT
I invested into a massive role play in regards to a Chantry loyalist in the first two games. Everything was set & ready. Cassandra was to be romanced per the role play, but I had no idea that they would make her purposely look mannish like that. It ruined everything. I can't romance a mannish chick, it's .. oh god... I'm not unreasonable though. She looks like a lesbian you know? I figured Cassandra would be AT least bisexual given how mannish she looks, but omg, she's not bisexual either... It makes no sense. I could've easily just rolled a woman hero and romanced Cassandra. She would be the mannish butch and my character would be the lipstick right? I have no problem role playing a lesbian woman, but Bioware screwed me on that too. Bioware thinks they're so cute messing with stereotypes, but I HATE IT. If she looks like a butch lesbian, CHANCES ARE SHE'S A BUTCH LESBIAN. I despise SJW's so much for this. It's good that I get to see them suffer until 2020 (SMILE) hahahahahah You're a virgin aren't you? I don’t think the average virgin is as creepy as that post.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 17:59:47 GMT
If that thesis was correct, than a DA game that emphasized sexualization of the romantic characters would have been the most successful of the three. Let’s not mince words here, DA2 spared no efforts to make Female characters from the “universally appealing” gaming handbook with Isabella as sexualized a character as BioWare ever made probably. She doesn’t even bother with pants, her boobs are enormous and exposed, she is heavily made-up, her hair is long and her face is long oval. But DA3, despite pretty much every character save for Dorian and Josephine being not prettied-up, and the male cast for straight females downright nightmare-tier ugly is the most successful of their games. Not DA2, despite overtly sexy Isabella and the seductively innocent Merrill, as archetypical as it comes for attempting to attract men “that way” and pretty good looking males too.
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Post by luzarius on Oct 23, 2017 18:05:19 GMT
I'm talking about RPG's. Skyrim enjoyed massive sales because it had the potential for modding which lead to guess what? Massive sexualization. I'm 100% sure that contributed to it's 30+ million sales. GTA 5 had a strip club, even rockstar knows not to neglect sexualization. I think sexualization in RPG's needs to not only exist, but taken further for girl gamers & gay gamers. Give EVERYONE eye candy! Keep moving those goal posts. Even among RPGs, most of the best-selling ones have no sexuality in them or at least nowhere near the amounts Bioware and CDPR do. So the key to success is not sexuality, but accessibility to modding. I'm glad you accept that you were mistaken. Or, and this is a crazy idea I know, the developers make the kinds of games they want to make. Clearly sex appeal isn't the huge factor you claim it is, so it doesn't matter. Two of the best selling RPGs had sexualization or the potential for sexualization to be added via modding: Witcher 3 Skyrim High selling RPGs with no sexualization: Terraria is purely about gameplay and it's graphics are not good for sexualization. Diablo 3 camera perspective is more about gameplay & farming for items, preying upon the gambling complex/impulse, if I keep farming, will I get the rare item? Sexual content triggers an impulse and so does gambling. I'm talking about RPG's. Skyrim enjoyed massive sales because it had the potential for modding which lead to guess what? Massive sexualization. I'm 100% sure that contributed to it's 30+ million sales. GTA 5 had a strip club, even rockstar knows not to neglect sexualization. I think sexualization in RPG's needs to not only exist, but taken further for girl gamers & gay gamers. Give EVERYONE eye candy! And you think, The Iron Bull was an eye candy? Honestly I don't know. I would assume women may find him attractive or gay gamers or people who are demisexual. You're a virgin aren't you? I don’t think the average virgin is as creepy as that post. Okay, so everyone who thought wonder woman was sexy & beautiful is a creepy virgin? That's doesn't make any sense. If that thesis was correct, than a DA game that emphasized sexualization of the romantic characters would have been the most successful of the three. Let’s not mince words here, DA2 spared no efforts to make Female characters from the “universally appealing” gaming handbook with Isabella as sexualized a character as BioWare ever made probably. She doesn’t even bother with pants. But DA3, despite pretty much every character save for Dorian and Josephine being not prettied-up, and the male cast downright nightmare-tier ugly is the most successful of their games. Not DA2, despite overtly sexy Isabella and the seductively innocent Merrill, as archetypical as it comes for attempting to attract men “that way”. This is a fair point, but Dragon Age 2 neglected too many things and had too many recycled areas. You still need a great story, great game play and great environment to explore. Sexualization is just the icing on the cake that can get you more sales, you still need a great tasting base cake. IMO there still wasn't enough sexualization in Dragon Age 2. There needed to be at least five times more sexualization.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 23, 2017 18:08:33 GMT
Keep moving those goal posts. Even among RPGs, most of the best-selling ones have no sexuality in them or at least nowhere near the amounts Bioware and CDPR do. So the key to success is not sexuality, but accessibility to modding. I'm glad you accept that you were mistaken. Or, and this is a crazy idea I know, the developers make the kinds of games they want to make. Clearly sex appeal isn't the huge factor you claim it is, so it doesn't matter. Two of the best selling RPGs both had sexualization or the potential for sexualization to be added via modding: Witcher 3 Skyrim High selling RPGs with no sexualization: Terraria is purely about gameplay and it's graphics are not good for sexualization. Diablo 3 camera perspective is more about gameplay & farming for items, preying upon the gambling complex/impulse, if I keep farming, will I get the rare item? And you think, The Iron Bull was an eye candy? Honestly I don't know. I would assume women may find him attractive or gay gamers or people who are demisexual. 1. I see you ignored multiple RPG games that sold better than those games. For example the most successful RPG series of all time, with multiple games each eclipsing those two you mentioned: Pokemon. 2. Do you even know what demisexuality is?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 18:09:56 GMT
DA2 is also moddable, so Aveline can have a triangular face and navel-showing armor too, amd Merril has her blossom inflated. Mods are out there for that. If it does reuse areas, DA3 has far too many for what it has in written assets.
So, try again?
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Post by luzarius on Oct 23, 2017 18:10:01 GMT
Two of the best selling RPGs both had sexualization or the potential for sexualization to be added via modding: Witcher 3 Skyrim High selling RPGs with no sexualization: Terraria is purely about gameplay and it's graphics are not good for sexualization. Diablo 3 camera perspective is more about gameplay & farming for items, preying upon the gambling complex/impulse, if I keep farming, will I get the rare item? Honestly I don't know. I would assume women may find him attractive or gay gamers or people who are demisexual. 1. I see you ignored multiple RPG games that sold better than those games. For example the most successful RPG series of all time, with multiple games eclipsing those two you mentioned: Pokemon. 2. Do you even know what demisexuality is? 1. Pokemon is in the same category as Terraria per my explanation. 2. Yes, if someone is not physically attracted to iron bull, they may develop a connection via his personality, I'm pretty sure that's the gist of it. DA2 is also moddable, so Aveline can have a triangular face and navel-showing armor too, amd Merril has her blossom inflated. Mods are out there for that. If it does reuse areas, DA3 has far too many for what it has in written assets. So, try again? Dragon Age 2 was not moddable in the same way Skyrim could be modded.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 23, 2017 18:11:24 GMT
Keep moving those goal posts. Even among RPGs, most of the best-selling ones have no sexuality in them or at least nowhere near the amounts Bioware and CDPR do. So the key to success is not sexuality, but accessibility to modding. I'm glad you accept that you were mistaken. Or, and this is a crazy idea I know, the developers make the kinds of games they want to make. Clearly sex appeal isn't the huge factor you claim it is, so it doesn't matter. Two of the best selling RPGs both had sexualization or the potential for sexualization to be added via modding: Witcher 3 Skyrim High selling RPGs with no sexualization: Terraria is purely about gameplay and it's graphics are not good for sexualization. Diablo 3 camera perspective is more about gameplay & farming for items, preying upon the gambling complex/impulse, if I keep farming, will I get the rare item? And you think, The Iron Bull was an eye candy? Honestly I don't know. I would assume women may find him attractive or gay gamers or people who are demisexual. I don’t think the average virgin is as creepy as that post. Okay, so everyone who thought wonder woman was sexy & beautiful is a creepy virgin That's doesn't make any sense. If that thesis was correct, than a DA game that emphasized sexualization of the romantic characters would have been the most successful of the three. Let’s not mince words here, DA2 spared no efforts to make Female characters from the “universally appealing” gaming handbook with Isabella as sexualized a character as BioWare ever made probably. She doesn’t even bother with pants. But DA3, despite pretty much every character save for Dorian and Josephine being not prettied-up, and the male cast downright nightmare-tier ugly is the most successful of their games. Not DA2, despite overtly sexy Isabella and the seductively innocent Merrill, as archetypical as it comes for attempting to attract men “that way”. This is a fair point, but Dragon Age 2 neglected too many things and had too many recycled areas. You still need a great story, great gamplay, sexualization is the icing on the cake that can get you more sales. Also, IMO there still wasn't enough sexualization in Dragon Age 2. There needed to be at least five times the amount. Demisexual? Why exactly demisexual? O.o Yes, probably there are people, who think, The Iron Bull's eye candy. Just as men, who consider Cassandra and Josephine eye candy. And I suppose, Cassandra and Josie much closer to the classical beauty, than Bull.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 23, 2017 18:15:37 GMT
1. I see you ignored multiple RPG games that sold better than those games. For example the most successful RPG series of all time, with multiple games eclipsing those two you mentioned: Pokemon. 2. Do you even know what demisexuality is? 1. Pokemon is in the same category as Terraria per my explanation. 2. Yes, if someone is not physically attracted to iron bull, they may develop a connection via his personality, I'm pretty sure that's the gist of it. 1. Fair enough, though my point was that your post seemed to be implying that those two are among the best-selling RPGs of all time when that isn't the case, at least for The Witcher 3. Skyrim is sure, though not nearly as much of that was because of sexuality or modding since it sold amazing on consoles years before mods were available for them on those platforms. 2. Okay. Just checking since the way it read it seemed like you were misusing it when pansexual may have fit more.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 18:22:22 GMT
Two of the best selling RPGs both had sexualization or the potential for sexualization to be added via modding: Witcher 3 Skyrim
High selling RPGs with no sexualization: Terraria is purely about gameplay and it's graphics are not good for sexualization. Diablo 3 camera perspective is more about gameplay & farming for items, preying upon the gambling complex/impulse, if I keep farming, will I get the rare item? Honestly I don't know. I would assume women may find him attractive or gay gamers or people who are demisexual.
Okay, so everyone who thought wonder woman was sexy & beautiful is a creepy virgin That's doesn't make any sense.
This is a fair point, but Dragon Age 2 neglected too many things and had too many recycled areas. You still need a great story, great gamplay, sexualization is the icing on the cake that can get you more sales. Also, IMO there still wasn't enough sexualization in Dragon Age 2. There needed to be at least five times the amount.
Demisexual? Why exactly demisexual? O.o Yes, probably there are people, who think, The Iron Bull's eye candy. Just as men, who consider Cassandra and Josephine eye candy. And I suppose, Cassandra and Josie much closer to the classical beauty, than Bull. Way, way, way closer, because Bull’s body and face are both horribly ugly, while Cassandra and Josephine both have perfect bodies in addition to beautiful or remarkable faces. About the only thing that Cassandra does not have is make up and big hair. And hair is not Cassandra-specific problem in Inquisition, it is engine variant specific.
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