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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Oct 23, 2017 18:23:58 GMT
I also could never really connect to my warden, as opposed to my Inquisitor, or even Hawke. Maybe it's the lack of a voice? I don't know. The Warden was the last BioWare protagonist that was truly mine. The voice, and especially the paraphrase, badly harm my ability to roleplay my character. Will say that DAI's voice + paraphrase is the very best one yet, so maybe this problem is solvable, but so far I'd take a silent protagonist with full-text dialogue options every time. When people say they couldn't connect with the Warden, I don't even understand what they mean. There's no need to connect with your own character. Yoh inhabit your character. That your character has any thoughts at all is because you put them there. It is this process that I find more difficult in BioWare's voiced protagonist games.
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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Oct 23, 2017 18:27:33 GMT
I get bored easily playing a certain class for too long (I'm a completionist), and I hate having to restart, so I have playthroughs of each class going. So when I feel like playing a mage/necromaner when yesterday I was playing a two handed warrior I can and don't have to start the game all over again. I understand wanting to start again before finishing (I do that all the time), but I couldn't switch back and forth because I'd lose track of my characters' personalities. I'd end up with incoherent playthroughs.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 23, 2017 18:28:28 GMT
Is there any evidence that Bioware is politically correct?
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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Oct 23, 2017 18:29:57 GMT
It's like you guys want Bioware to fail with your politically correct garbage. HOT BABES ARE GOOD UGLY WOMEN ARE BAD It's very simple. You know, if they just made the game more moddable (like Skyrim) we could all have what we want.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 23, 2017 18:32:29 GMT
Demisexual? Why exactly demisexual? O.o Yes, probably there are people, who think, The Iron Bull's eye candy. Just as men, who consider Cassandra and Josephine eye candy. And I suppose, Cassandra and Josie much closer to the classical beauty, than Bull. Way, way, way closer, because Bull’s body and face are both horribly ugly, while Cassandra and Josephine both have perfect bodies in addition to beautiful or remarkable faces. About the only thing that Cassandra does not have is make up and big hair. And hair is not Cassandra-specific problem in Inquisition, it is engine variant specific. Bull has sexual attractiveness on his own way, but we can't say, that he's handsome. Honestly, perhaps he's my favorite romance in the Inquisition, but rather due to his personality. And I liked Cassandra's romance. I agree about Cassandra and Josephine.
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Post by luzarius on Oct 23, 2017 18:32:48 GMT
Is there any evidence that Bioware is politically correct? They retconned Asari lore to add gender pronoun political propaganda into Mass Effect Andromeda. Everything in Mass Effect 1,2,3 shows that Asari have female minds. The lore specifically states they have maternal instincts. Aria says the word patriarch has no meaning to her people. Samara says Asari have no males. The term fathered only means to provide the DNA, that's it. There is no way to justify the pronoun gender usage. It needed to be explained more. If they put some heart & soul behind the explanation I would've accepted it, but they didn't put any effort into it. Josephine's romance is the best romance in Bioware history. It was pretty much perfect. Josephine is very ugly. I don't see how this is humanly possible. Attraction FIRST, personality SECOND. (i'm not trolling, I actually believe this).It's like you guys want Bioware to fail with your politically correct garbage. HOT BABES ARE GOOD UGLY WOMEN ARE BAD It's very simple. You know, if they just made the game more moddable (like Skyrim) we could all have what we want. I KNOW RIGHT. I would've just modded Cassandra's face and be DONE WITH IT. Hillary Clinton would probably be president and I would have no clue what an SJW is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 18:32:49 GMT
And, if you wash off makeup from Triss face as I can see her on the images on the net when I search for it, you will get face that is less attractive than Cassandra. Triss has a very low brow which is likely a unibrow if she does not pluck it, and overshadows her eyes. Her eyes are set too wide apart and do not have a naturally uplifted corners. Her face is at least as round as Cassandra’s without the uber-elongated lower portion, but fatter, so Cassandra looks so much more fast and descisive and bright. Hair wise, yeah, Triss has good hair, but Cassandra has a better bone structure and brow and eyes in particular.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 23, 2017 18:33:53 GMT
Josephine's romance is the best romance in Bioware history. It was pretty much perfect.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 18:35:55 GMT
Way, way, way closer, because Bull’s body and face are both horribly ugly, while Cassandra and Josephine both have perfect bodies in addition to beautiful or remarkable faces. About the only thing that Cassandra does not have is make up and big hair. And hair is not Cassandra-specific problem in Inquisition, it is engine variant specific. Bull has sexual attractiveness on his own way, but we can't say, that he's handsome. Honestly, perhaps he's my favorite romance in the Inquisition, but rather due to his personality. And I liked Cassandra's romance. I agree about Cassandra and Josephine. Tastes differ, I find him physically gross. And I adore male Qunari from character creator. So... yeah. Tastes differ.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 23, 2017 18:39:22 GMT
Josephine's romance is the best romance in Bioware history. It was pretty much perfect. Josephine is very ugly. I don't see how this is humanly possible. Attraction FIRST, looks SECOND. (i'm not trolling, I actually believe this).And we were doing so well. Almost three posts. I don't see how it is humanly possible to see her as 'very ugly'. What do you mean by "attraction first, looks second"?
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Post by Catilina on Oct 23, 2017 18:42:21 GMT
Bull has sexual attractiveness on his own way, but we can't say, that he's handsome. Honestly, perhaps he's my favorite romance in the Inquisition, but rather due to his personality. And I liked Cassandra's romance. I agree about Cassandra and Josephine. Tastes differ, I find him physically gross. And I adore male Qunari from character creator. So... yeah. Tastes differ. Of course, my qunari(s) was much beautiful than him. And DA2 qunari's body was perfect!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 18:44:34 GMT
And, now, to Yennifer. Looking at the Witcher’s Hunt poster she looks androgenous. I would have guessed a young nobleman if shown that picture. There is nothing feminine about that face. But yes, it’s long and has a pointed chin.
Josephine can run circles around this one in a beauty contest, because Josephine exudes femininity, has higher brow, well defined gaselle’s eyes, and the same long oval face and long hair.
Objectively, if you put two pictures side by side, Josephine has better upper face and overall looks. Hells, she is even all made-up.
I am at a loss.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 23, 2017 19:01:59 GMT
And, now, to Yennifer. Looking at the Witcher’s Hunt poster she looks androgenous. I would have guessed a young nobleman if shown that picture. There is nothing feminine about that face. But yes, it’s long and has a pointed chin. Josephine can run circles around this one in a beauty contest, because Josephine exudes femininity, has higher brow, well defined gaselle’s eyes, and the same long oval face and long hair. Objectively, if you put two pictures side by side, Josephine has better upper face and overall looks. Hells, she is even all made-up. I am at a loss. And Josephine doesn't have to resort to magical plastic surgery to achieve that beauty.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 19:07:02 GMT
And, now, to Yennifer. Looking at the Witcher’s Hunt poster she looks androgenous. I would have guessed a young nobleman if shown that picture. There is nothing feminine about that face. But yes, it’s long and has a pointed chin. Josephine can run circles around this one in a beauty contest, because Josephine exudes femininity, has higher brow, well defined gaselle’s eyes, and the same long oval face and long hair. Objectively, if you put two pictures side by side, Josephine has better upper face and overall looks. Hells, she is even all made-up. I am at a loss. One Josephine doesn't have to resort to magical plastic surgery to achieve that beauty. Magic makes for a damn good shampoo and hair regrowth remedy. But did not really help with faces. Maybe it is just in the posters, I dunno, maybe they look better in the game.
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Post by dmc1001 on Oct 23, 2017 20:28:55 GMT
You know, if they just made the game more moddable (like Skyrim) we could all have what we want. I KNOW RIGHT. I would've just modded Cassandra's face and be DONE WITH IT. Hillary Clinton would probably be president and I would have no clue what an SJW is. www.nexusmods.com/dragonageinquisition/mods/1882/?
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Post by dmc1001 on Oct 23, 2017 20:34:50 GMT
Demisexual? Why exactly demisexual? O.o Yes, probably there are people, who think, The Iron Bull's eye candy. Just as men, who consider Cassandra and Josephine eye candy. And I suppose, Cassandra and Josie much closer to the classical beauty, than Bull. Way, way, way closer, because Bull’s body and face are both horribly ugly, while Cassandra and Josephine both have perfect bodies in addition to beautiful or remarkable faces. About the only thing that Cassandra does not have is make up and big hair. And hair is not Cassandra-specific problem in Inquisition, it is engine variant specific. This is actually what I think is the "problem" with characters appearing not to be super sexy: Frostbite.
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Post by luzarius on Oct 23, 2017 20:51:27 GMT
My problem is her face mesh. It needs to be changed drastically. It's too mannish. But you know what? There's some good news here. It sounds like hes was able to change the actual hair mesh. If he could do that, perhaps Cass's face mesh can be changed too? i'm going to PM him and see if I can get some details, thanks for this.
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Post by river82 on Oct 23, 2017 21:07:23 GMT
You know, if they just made the game more moddable (like Skyrim) we could all have what we want. Unfortunately, Frostbite doesn't really allow the modding thing.
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 23, 2017 21:33:11 GMT
Keep moving those goal posts. Even among RPGs, most of the best-selling ones have no sexuality in them or at least nowhere near the amounts Bioware and CDPR do. So the key to success is not sexuality, but accessibility to modding. I'm glad you accept that you were mistaken. Or, and this is a crazy idea I know, the developers make the kinds of games they want to make. Clearly sex appeal isn't the huge factor you claim it is, so it doesn't matter. Two of the best selling RPGs had sexualization or the potential for sexualization to be added via modding: Witcher 3 Skyrim High selling RPGs with no sexualization: Terraria is purely about gameplay and it's graphics are not good for sexualization. Diablo 3 camera perspective is more about gameplay & farming for items, preying upon the gambling complex/impulse, if I keep farming, will I get the rare item? Sexual content triggers an impulse and so does gambling. Plus DAI itself, of course. How does this advance your case? You need to prove that sexualization is required. It's not enough for games with sexualization to succeed; games without it need to fail, and need to fail because of the lack of sexualization.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 21:37:23 GMT
I just want for emphasis include the picture that the guy says is not a woman beautiful enough for him. The one on the right. And for comparison, Triss Marigod with exact same square jaw and plain face below. Seriously, how can you say that elegant and aristocratic Cassandra on the right is plainer than that Triss? It's like a Lady and her serving maid. Sure, Triss is pretty enough in a healthy peasant girl way, but Cassandra on the right is actually beautiful. Don't you guys see the marks of noble beauty, the high brow, the almond shaped eyes with uplifted corner, the perfectly proportioned face, the high cheekbones, high forehead, everything, everything, every feature uplifted in Cassandra's basic bone structure of her face instead of squashed down in Triss'? How can you not notice this even with the make-up applied to highlight how good her features are? Are you... serious? I am from the good EE peasant stock, so I am all round and pleasant of the face, and I would die to have Cassandra's aristocratic one.
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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Oct 23, 2017 21:38:09 GMT
You know, if they just made the game more moddable (like Skyrim) we could all have what we want. Unfortunately, Frostbite doesn't really allow the modding thing. Then they shouldn't use Frostbite. Modding is way more important than anything Frostbite provides.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 21:40:35 GMT
Unfortunately, Frostbite doesn't really allow the modding thing. Then they shouldn't use Frostbite. Modding is way more important than anything Frostbite provides. It mods, just not with the DLCs. So, the fail is not the game, it's the Trespasser... and trespasser is a fail regardless.
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 23, 2017 21:40:38 GMT
They retconned Asari lore to add gender pronoun political propaganda into Mass Effect Andromeda. Everything in Mass Effect 1,2,3 shows that Asari have female minds. The lore specifically states they have maternal instincts. Aria says the word patriarch has no meaning to her people. Samara says Asari have no males. The term fathered only means to provide the DNA, that's it. There is no way to justify the pronoun gender usage. It needed to be explained more. If they put some heart & soul behind the explanation I would've accepted it, but they didn't put any effort into it. Leaving aside that concept of a "female mind," which Bio waffled on in the trilogy if they ever believed it, one of the things you're ignoring is that races adopting cultural traits from other races is a thing in ME:A. For instance, a Hyperion crewmember adopts a quarian-style "vas Hyperion" surname. (What would the difference be between an asari with maternal instincts and an asari with paternal instincts?)
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Post by scootshoot on Oct 23, 2017 21:42:00 GMT
I'm talking about RPG's. Skyrim enjoyed massive sales because it had the potential for modding which lead to guess what? Massive sexualization. I'm 100% sure that contributed to it's 30+ million sales. GTA 5 had a strip club, even rockstar knows not to neglect sexualization. I think sexualization in RPG's needs to not only exist, but taken further for girl gamers & gay gamers. Give EVERYONE eye candy! And you think, The Iron Bull was an eye candy? Wrong. Skyrim PC sales were small compared to consoles. 14pct PC, 27pct PS3 and a Whopping 59pct on Xbox 360 www.statisticbrain.com/skyrim-the-elder-scrolls-v-statistics/
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 23, 2017 22:05:23 GMT
They messed up Triss' face in W3. She looked MUCH better in W2... Some angles make her look ugly even. Everybody I talked with about her said so too. Which is surprising considering CDPR seems to have a hard-on for her.
Maybe they did this so Yennefer is easier to pick. Her personality in the game is not easy to accept. Yennefer is not a classic beauty. Even with magic her face is not perfectly symmetrical in the books either. Geralt likes her flaws, though.
Imo Ciri is the prettiest woman in W3 by far. Second would be Shani to me.
I honestly think if Cassandra had long hair nobody would complain. She has gorgeous sensual eyes. With Josephine I think it's mostly that god awful outfit. It's hideous. Also maybe her personality and very tame romance.
I find Iron Bull physically repulsive as a woman. Solas is nosferatu. Not handsome either. It's really just the voice mmmmh. Blackwall is a bit old and boring as a rock. But not ugly. Cullen is a pretty boy though. And then there is Dorian, my favorite. Options and eye candy favor straight women definitely.
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