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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 22:16:09 GMT
My PC goes by the character sheet. It says "QUNARI". When I create him, he is called "Qunari". Everyone else in the world calls him Qunari. And, at no point in the game there is an options to tell IB to shut up, and tell anyone how the PC, and PC's parents view the Dragon Blood. All the Qunari PC gets to do is smile and nod as he is insulted. Not a single other character in the entire franchise is referred to as Kossith. Because the South use Qunari and the species interchangeably. And the Qun does not, as it does not matter what species you are, if you follow the Qun, you are Qunari. I'm pretty sure this is mentioned as far back as DAO in the codexes. It's not as if the South really understands when the Qun is very well. Considering the Inquisitor's family does originally come from the Qun, they would know the distinction. And we don't actually meet any Kossith, other than the Inquisitor, that aren't in the Qun. Hence it is correct to the Inquisitor to refer to himself as Qunari, as he was born in the South. And he should be able to stand up for himself and his parents when Bull is disparaging of him. So, just like the Elf, the Qunari gets dissed by the same race character, unlike the dwarf.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 8, 2017 22:19:23 GMT
Because the South use Qunari and the species interchangeably. And the Qun does not, as it does not matter what species you are, if you follow the Qun, you are Qunari. I'm pretty sure this is mentioned as far back as DAO in the codexes. It's not as if the South really understands when the Qun is very well. Considering the Inquisitor's family does originally come from the Qun, they would know the distinction. And we don't actually meet any Kossith, other than the Inquisitor, that aren't in the Qun. Hence it is correct to the Inquisitor to refer to himself as Qunari, as he was born in the South. And he should be able to stand up for himself and his parents when Bull is disparaging of him. He was born in the South, but his parents aren't and know that Qunari doesn't mean race. They left the Qun deliberatly, why would the want their child to think itself of Qunari? It's a religious term, like Christian or Muslim, not a nationality or race. The majority of the South conflates the two - they are the ignorant ones. The Inquisitor would know better.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 22:23:30 GMT
Hence it is correct to the Inquisitor to refer to himself as Qunari, as he was born in the South. And he should be able to stand up for himself and his parents when Bull is disparaging of him. He was born in the South, but his parents aren't and know that Qunari doesn't mean race. They left the Qun deliberatly, why would the want their child to think itself of Qunari? It's a religious term, like Christian or Muslim, not a nationality or race. The majority of the South conflates the two - they are the ignorant ones. The Inquisitor would know better. If that was the case, and the Inquisitor's parents did not identify as Qunari, his creation screen ad the spreadsheet would have said Kossith and his background description would have mentioned it. But he is called Qunari in every text, and in every dialogue he refers to himself as Qunari. He never corrects anyone to name him Kossith, which he would have if his parents made this distinction specifically. So, it follows that they either believed in a different version of Qun or they treated Qunari like the people of the South as a race or nationality. He even refers to himself as a Qunari when specifically questioned about religious believes in the context of being an appropriate person to be a Chosen of Andraste or the Inquisitor. Slaves and Slavic identity and attachment to the name persists despite it deriving from slaves captured in the regions for resale. IB is literally the only character in the Realms to denies the Inquisitor his identity as a Qunari, and he is not nice about it, and the Inquisitor cannot call him out on that.
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Post by shechinah on Dec 8, 2017 22:29:29 GMT
If that was the case, and the Inquisitor's parents did not identify as Qunari, his creation screen ad the spreadsheet would have said Kossith and his background description would have mentioned it. But he is called Qunari in every text, and in every dialogue he refers to himself as Qunari. He never corrects anyone to name him Kossith, which he would have if his parents made this distinction specifically. So, it follows that they either believed in a different version of Qun or they treated Qunari like the people of the South as a race or nationality. He even refers to himself as a Qunari when specifically questioned about religious believes in the context of being an appropriate person to be a Chosen of Andraste or the Inquisitor. IB is literally the only character in the Realms to deny him his identity as a Qunari. Adaar has been confirmed as vashoth by the writers, I believe. Vashoth are qunari who have never been a part of the Qun and so are not Qunari. Not to be confused with Tal-Vashoth who are qunari that have left the Qun or directly oppose it. As far as the Qun and its members are concerned, vashoth are bas. Furthermore, Adaar is specifically referred to as "Adaar, the Vashoth" in their codex entry and in the same one, their parents are said to have left the Qun: "The Qunari in Par Vollen live under the Qun, a religious and philosophical doctrine dictating every aspect of their society. [Player name] Adaar's parents left that restrictive life before he/she was born, settling in the Free Marches and raising their child outside the Qun. Qunari brought up outside their society are still feared, shunned, or misunderstood by most people in the south. The average citizen of Orlais or Ferelden assumes they are cold-blooded thralls, or vicious bandits.
If the Inquisitor is a warrior or rogue: Qunari who are not part of the Qun, facing limited acceptance in society, often take advantage of their reputation by taking on mercenary work. [Player name] Adaar joined the Valo-kas mercenary company as a young adult, making a name for him/herself over the years as a capable and resourceful soldier. He/she was hired to provide protection at the Conclave, as a neutral party to stand between templars and mages.
If the Inquisitor is a mage: When [player name] manifested a gift for magic, his/her parents arranged for a mage among the Tal-Vashoth to teach him/her how to control his/her talents. He/she joined the Valo-kas mercenary company as a young adult, making a name for him/herself over the years as a capable and powerful mage. [Player name] was hired to provide protection at the Conclave, as a neutral party to stand between templars and human mages.
After the disastrous explosion at the Temple of Sacred Ashes that killed the Divine, Adaar was the only survivor. Rumors that the mysterious mark on his/her hand is a sign of the Maker's favor were spread by those who claim they saw the divine prophet, Andraste herself, lead Adaar out of the Fade." - Codex entry: Adaar, the Vashoth The word qunari is basically the catch-all-term for the qunari race in the absence of another. I have seldom seen the word kossith used in-universe. This has been the source of confusion previously. Source: dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_Adaar,_the_Vashoth
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Post by Catilina on Dec 8, 2017 22:29:43 GMT
Elven children too. And Jowan was not a teacher. He was an apprentice. Not every mage apprentice was able to teach a frightened child... Jowan caused the situation to make the frightened child when he poisoned Connor's Father. And I think that the Dalish clan likely deliberately left Minaeve near a human village - children don't travel far. Too many mages would attract Templer notice, and with the Dalish system, too many mages wouldn't be able to be trained correctly. And, like what Connor's case shows us, a badly trained mage, even young, is a dangerous thing. Loghain caused the situation, his hand was Jowan. And the fact, he poisoned Connor's father doesn't mean, that he able to handle a frightened mage child. I still not understand your notice, that "Connor had a teacher..." Jowan wasn't an experienced teacher, perhaps he would able to teach a mage child in normal circumstances, but not in this extreme situation. And even he wasn't prepared for this reaction. ___ The Dalish would never leave their children to humans. This not really had precedent. At least I cant remind such a case. In fact there's opposite precedents: Zathrian's clan adopted Lanaya, a city elf mage, Marethari adopted Feynriel, an elf-blooded human mage. The Mages attract the Demons, not the Templars...They can't sense the mage children from distance. The Templars watch the Dalish clans, and pursue them, because they know there's mages among them, and from time to time attack them, no matter how many mage children in the clan, the Templars know, there Mages here. And if there a number limit when they attack, then this is NOT the Dalish rule, rather the Templar rule (still stupid...)
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 8, 2017 22:33:04 GMT
He was born in the South, but his parents aren't and know that Qunari doesn't mean race. They left the Qun deliberatly, why would the want their child to think itself of Qunari? It's a religious term, like Christian or Muslim, not a nationality or race. The majority of the South conflates the two - they are the ignorant ones. The Inquisitor would know better. If that was the case, and the Inquisitor's parents did not identify as Qunari, his creation screen ad the spreadsheet would have said Kossith and his background description would have mentioned it. But he is called Qunari in every text, and in every dialogue he refers to himself as Qunari. He never corrects anyone to name him Kossith, which he would have if his parents made this distinction specifically. So, it follows that they either believed in a different version of Qun or they treated Qunari like the people of the South as a race or nationality. There is only one type of Qun. It's a dictorial ideology. And yes, they are a Kossith, but the South doesn't use that distinction, so everyone else will see them as Qunari. But Iron Bull, who actually is from the Qun, knows that isn't true. The problem with Kossith, is that's what they think the original species was called. They don't use the term as everyone "become" (i.e was forced) to follow the Qun and become Qunari. People of that race that weren't born in the Qun are called "Vashoth" and those that were of the Qun and left are called "Tal-Vashoth" which you are told you are. Here's from the Wiki, since it'll probable explain better: "Members of the giant race born outside of the Qun are not considered to be Qunari within the Qunari society. They are called "Vashoth", which means "grey ones"; likewise those who abandon the Qun willingly are known as "Tal-Vashoth", "true grey ones". Most Tal-Vashoth are former soldiers and become mercenaries, and are considered by Qunari to be worse than bas - who are non-Qunari"
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If that was the case, and the Inquisitor's parents did not identify as Qunari, his creation screen ad the spreadsheet would have said Kossith and his background description would have mentioned it. But he is called Qunari in every text, and in every dialogue he refers to himself as Qunari. He never corrects anyone to name him Kossith, which he would have if his parents made this distinction specifically. So, it follows that they either believed in a different version of Qun or they treated Qunari like the people of the South as a race or nationality. He even refers to himself as a Qunari when specifically questioned about religious believes in the context of being an appropriate person to be a Chosen of Andraste or the Inquisitor. IB is literally the only character in the Realms to deny him his identity as a Qunari. Adaar has been confirmed as vashoth by the writers, I believe. Vashoth are qunari who have never been a part of the Qun and so are not Qunari. Not to be confused with Tal-Vashoth who are qunari that have left the Qun or directly oppose it. The word qunari is basically the catch-all-term for the qunari race in the absence of another. I have seldom seen the word kossith used in-universe. This has been the source of confusion previously. You describe the population as qunari. "Source of confusion" is because kossith is obscure and does not have anything in-universe that went with it. If they wanted to establish it as a lasting term, they would have made a point of referring to the inquisitor as a proud Kossith, and made sure it became supported by the game's dialogues. The only reason it is used in DAI at all is for the IB to distance himself from the Inquisitor.
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If that was the case, and the Inquisitor's parents did not identify as Qunari, his creation screen ad the spreadsheet would have said Kossith and his background description would have mentioned it. But he is called Qunari in every text, and in every dialogue he refers to himself as Qunari. He never corrects anyone to name him Kossith, which he would have if his parents made this distinction specifically. So, it follows that they either believed in a different version of Qun or they treated Qunari like the people of the South as a race or nationality. There is only one type of Qun. It's a dictorial ideology. And yes, they are a Kossith, but the South doesn't use that distinction, so everyone else will see them as Qunari. But Iron Bull, who actually is from the Qun, knows that isn't true. The problem with Kossith, is that's what they think the original species was called. They don't use the term as everyone "become" (i.e was forced) to follow the Qun and become Qunari. People of that race that weren't born in the Qun are called "Vashoth" and those that were of the Qun and left are called "Tal-Vashoth" which you are told you are. Here's from the Wiki, since it'll probable explain better: "Members of the giant race born outside of the Qun are not considered to be Qunari within the Qunari society. They are called "Vashoth", which means "grey ones"; likewise those who abandon the Qun willingly are known as "Tal-Vashoth", "true grey ones". Most Tal-Vashoth are former soldiers and become mercenaries, and are considered by Qunari to be worse than bas - who are non-Qunari" All this is well and good, but the Inquisitor himself refers to himself as Qunari. Multiple times.
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Post by shechinah on Dec 8, 2017 22:38:39 GMT
You describe the population as qunari. "Source of confusion" is because kossith is obscure and does not have anything in-universe that went with it. If they wanted to establish it as a lasting term, they would have made a point of referring to the inquisitor as a proud Kossith, and made sure it became supported by the game's dialogues. The only reason it is used in DAI at all is for the IB to distance himself from the Inquisitor. I found the codex entry I was looking for which confirms that Adaar is not a member of the Qun and that their parents left the Qun. They are racially qunari (kossith) but they are not Qunari as in a member or practicer of the Qun philosophy. It's added to my above post. To the Qun and Iron Bull, Adaar is bas. Additionally, the Qun do not define the term Qunari by race but instead by whether they are a part of the Qun. A human, elf or dwarf who is a member of the Qun is considered a Qunari.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 22:46:11 GMT
You describe the population as qunari. "Source of confusion" is because kossith is obscure and does not have anything in-universe that went with it. If they wanted to establish it as a lasting term, they would have made a point of referring to the inquisitor as a proud Kossith, and made sure it became supported by the game's dialogues. The only reason it is used in DAI at all is for the IB to distance himself from the Inquisitor. I found the codex entry I was looking for which confirms that Adaar is not a member of the Qun and that their parents left the Qun. They are racially qunari (kossith) but they are not Qunari as in a member or practicer of the Qun philosophy. It's added to my above post. To the Qun and Iron Bull, Adaar is bas. Right. And, just like with Solas, Qunari Inquisitor gets treated pointedly and derisively by the (only) member of his own race in the cast as not really one of them. The dwarf is not. In other words, Solas tells the Elven protagonist that a Dalish Elf is not really an Elf; Iron Bull tells Quanri Inquisitor that a Southern Qunari is not really a Qunari. Varric does not tell a Dwarven Inquisitor that a surface dwarf is not a dwarf.
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Post by shechinah on Dec 8, 2017 22:57:27 GMT
Right. And, just like with Solas, Qunari Inquisitor gets treated pointedly and derisively by the (only) member of his own race in the cast as not really one of them. The dwarf is not. Cadash is a surface dwarf and Varric is a surface dwarf. Both are also criminals involved in a similar trade. Varric has no reason to treat Cadash derisively on account of their birth and culture. It would also be out of character for him to do so. The dwarves who would treat Cadash with contempt would be non-surface dwarves and they don't leave Orzammar thereby making it very unlikely that Cadash would bump into one. The caste system that exist in Orzammar do not exist amongst surface dwarves, therefore the classism that would label Cadash as not a true dwarf does not and cannot affect them. Adaar is Vashoth and the Iron Bull is Qunari. The Qun define its members by their philosophy and not by race. They look down on anyone not a part of their society as bas. As a born and raised member of the Qun, the Iron Bull would not perceive any kinship to Adaar because they share the same race. As the term qunari is used as a blanket term by non-Qunari, he would object to Adaar referring to themselves by that term because they are basically, whether intentionally or not, claiming that they are Qunari which is untrue in the eyes of the Qun. Lavellan is Dalish, Solas is not and Sera is not. Solas views all races as less than what they could be and dislikes the Dalish because he perceives them, like Abelas does, as weak imitations of what elven culture truly was like. To him, they are not anything close to the elves of ancient Arlathan despite the Dalish believing so. Sera perceives Dalish as looking down on all non-Dalish elves. In my opinion, she has a problem with all elves, Dalish or not, who do not share her views and opinions. Sera also doesn't, as far as I can recall, consider Lavellan to not be an elf. Her problem with Lavellan is that Sera thinks she is too much of an elf. Sera doesn't really view herself as an elf: she doesn't like to define herself by a race. She was also adopted and raised by a human. She is an Andrastian. She has nothing in common with Lavellan from a cultural or religious perspective and she doesn't care about them sharing the same race so that counts for nothing as far as she is concerned. These characters react according to the Dragon Age setting and their respective character. TL:DR: Cadash do not encounter the same treatment as the other Inquisitors because dwarven culture is different from the other races in a way that makes it very unlikely that Cadash would meet the group of people who'd frown upon them. This group of people are located *one place in the entire world and neither can be visited during the story of the Inquisition. Note: *Two if counting the Ambassadoria in the Tevinter Imperium.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 23:19:11 GMT
And that is why I will not recruit Iron Bull, since the game does not give me an option to argue with him, and just leaves my Inquisitor speechless, scratching his horns after IB throws his: “you are not Qunari” at him. The option of “Oh, I AM a Qunari and I AM Tal’Vashoth” does not come up, so that’s that the only way I can RP. I’ll play with characters that call my Adaar a Qunari.
Again, no matter what the reasons, the fact is that Elf and Qunari are treated one way, and the dwarf - another, and that’s what I am commenting on.
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Post by shechinah on Dec 8, 2017 23:28:29 GMT
Again, no matter what the reasons, the fact is that Elf and Qunari are treated one way, and the dwarf - another, and that’s what I am commenting on. But why would Cadash be treated the same way? Humans have no ill feelings towards dwarves because there's never been any historical tension between them like there has been with the Qunari and elves. Humans and dwarves trade with each other. There's no stigma to being a surface dwarf on the surface. That stigma only exist in Orzammar and the dwarves who perpetrate it don't leave the city.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 23:30:16 GMT
Again, no matter what the reasons, the fact is that Elf and Qunari are treated one way, and the dwarf - another, and that’s what I am commenting on. But why would Cadash be treated the same way? Humans have no ill feelings towards dwarves because there's never been any historical tension between them like there has been with the Qunari and elves. Humans and dwarves trade with each other. Two, surface dwarves are not classists and the dwarves that are don't leave Orzammar. And, again, I am not looking for “why”, I am saying that it is the treatment you get when choosing between the three races.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Dec 8, 2017 23:32:03 GMT
Right. And, just like with Solas, Qunari Inquisitor gets treated pointedly and derisively by the (only) member of his own race in the cast as not really one of them. The dwarf is not. really interesting post Cadash Inquisitors be like... "Sweet, I don't have to face horrible racism from my own kind. Huzzah!"
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Post by shechinah on Dec 8, 2017 23:32:39 GMT
And, again, I am not looking for “why”, I am saying that it is the treatment you get when choosing between the three races. For clarification, is Cadash being an exception something you view as a negative or are you merely stating that they are an exception?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 23:37:05 GMT
And, again, I am not looking for “why”, I am saying that it is the treatment you get when choosing between the three races. For clarification, is Cadash being an exception something you view as a negative or are you merely stating that they are an exception? Exception and positive. It is something that will make me personally prefer Cadash all other things being equal. I do not like not being able to retaliate.
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Post by Artemis on Dec 9, 2017 0:01:23 GMT
I just remember him lecturing me on fine distinction between modern elves and the ideal of the elveness and how he would instance himself from them, and he did not really distinguished between the protagonist and the other modern elves, so I assumed that his attitude encompassed the PC. Solas' strength is also his weakness: Words. Ever so many of them. Drowning you in them. And he won't clarify unless you demand he do so. I'm not sure I get what you mean. Do you mean he was very wordy? I didn't find his dialogue to be any lengthier than other characters.
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Post by Artemis on Dec 9, 2017 0:03:55 GMT
Otherwise, Solas is perfectly nice to Lavellan.
He is perfectly nice if he likes you. Now I've never been able to play someone he really dislikes but I've watched You Tube and he will pour scorn on anyone, not just Dalish. In a way you get to see what he really thinks about the other races because, of course, if he likes you he does seem to regard you as an exception to the norm and even asks if the anchor may be the reason because he clearly finds it hard respecting any modern race. So Solas is not specifically down on modern elves but modern everyone, he just doesn't let those feelings show, unless provoked.
In Trespasser, to an Inquisitor he dislikes whatever the race, he makes it clear that he acted against the Qunari because they "offend him" by their mere existence.
He's a dick in Trespasser; you can tell it was written after the main game. Weird. On the balcony scene, and damn it, I don't know if this is a romance-only scene, sorry. But he will suggest that you are an exception to your people, and you can respond by telling him, you judge the Dalish to harshly, and he will admit that you're right and that basically maybe he should rethink his opinions. Solas is a REALLY well-written character in some respects because his opinions and attitude DO change based on your race, whether he likes you / respects you or not, and whether he's in love with you. That's pretty impressive. He just should've been able to love more than lady elves. Grr.
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Post by Artemis on Dec 9, 2017 0:08:16 GMT
That balcony scene is rather off-putting, even if he likes you. It's truly thinly veiled racism: "I guess you're one of the good ones," and that sort of thing. And you're right, he is quite willing to accept that it's really the Anchor that changed you into being somewhat acceptable. I'll have to look at the different dialogue options the next time I play the game to see if there is something I might find fitting. I wish there was a "Thanks... I guess" response. I cannot remember the balcony scene for the other ones but if the Inquisitor is Dalish, Solas does admit that he may have misjudged the Dalish because of Lavellan's example. He doesn't try to claim the Inquisitor is an exception and discredit any Dalish involvement. To be honest, I don't mind that Solas has that aspect of incognizant racism to his character. It's a flaw that make sense given his backstory and does seem acknowledged as a flaw by the writers. Basically, I feel it adds to the character than detract from or simplify it. That's also how I feel about how he at first considered the people of modern Thedas to be akin to tranquils yet he still felt compassion for them and didn't want them to needlessly suffer. Those flaws and how they interplay with the rest of his character traits are part of why I like the character of Solas so much. Ack, this ^^^ You totally said it better
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Post by Artemis on Dec 9, 2017 0:10:44 GMT
Overall, I do not understand why given Solas' fairly empathic character, they did not made an extension for a protagonist of all races that won his approval towards something like: "Removing the Veil will bring suffering, I know, and I accept that responsibility, but the resulting world will be glorious with each race's (few) deserving survivors (strongly imply Inquisitor is one of them) becoming more after they behold the glory of the ancient elves, and unlock their own potential." rather than: "everyone needs to die. Sorry, friend." Because Solas is a still villain despite his moments of compassion. I mean, this is the same guy who would have burned alive three mages who were about to surrender if you didn't stop him. The guy has always had a dark side. LOL Is that the correct decision? I always let him do that because those mages basically killed that spirit.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 9, 2017 0:11:10 GMT
He is perfectly nice if he likes you. Now I've never been able to play someone he really dislikes but I've watched You Tube and he will pour scorn on anyone, not just Dalish. In a way you get to see what he really thinks about the other races because, of course, if he likes you he does seem to regard you as an exception to the norm and even asks if the anchor may be the reason because he clearly finds it hard respecting any modern race. So Solas is not specifically down on modern elves but modern everyone, he just doesn't let those feelings show, unless provoked.
In Trespasser, to an Inquisitor he dislikes whatever the race, he makes it clear that he acted against the Qunari because they "offend him" by their mere existence.
He's a dick in Trespasser; you can tell it was written after the main game. Weird. On the balcony scene, and damn it, I don't know if this is a romance-only scene, sorry. But he will suggest that you are an exception to your people, and you can respond by telling you, you judge the Dalish to harshly, and he will admit that you're right and that basically maybe he should rethink his opinions. Solas is a REALLY well-written character in some respects because his opinions and attitude DO change based on your race, whether he likes you / respects you or not, and whether he's in love with you. That's pretty impressive. He just should've been able to love more than lady elves. Grr. He can really be a dick to you in the main game. There's a reason you can punch him. If you don't agree with him on pretty much everything, he brings your race into it. He calls Qunari, Savage creatures kept only in check with the regidity of the Qun. That's kinda dickish
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Post by Artemis on Dec 9, 2017 0:20:57 GMT
He's a dick in Trespasser; you can tell it was written after the main game. Weird. On the balcony scene, and damn it, I don't know if this is a romance-only scene, sorry. But he will suggest that you are an exception to your people, and you can respond by telling you, you judge the Dalish to harshly, and he will admit that you're right and that basically maybe he should rethink his opinions. Solas is a REALLY well-written character in some respects because his opinions and attitude DO change based on your race, whether he likes you / respects you or not, and whether he's in love with you. That's pretty impressive. He just should've been able to love more than lady elves. Grr. He can really be a dick to you in the main game. There's a reason you can punch him. If you don't agree with him on pretty much everything, he brings your race into it. He calls Qunari, Savage creatures kept only in check with the regidity of the Qun. That's kinda dickish I never got far in my qunari playthrough, alas! The one time I didn't play a Lavellan (I played a Cadash) I did find our relationship to be quite strained. And my Cadash definitely did NOT like him. But when I play a Lavellan, and no I don't always agree with everything he says, we are always quite close. He is arrogant at first, but you can call him out several times, and he will apologize. You both grow to have genuine affection for each other. I never understood getting to that "punching" scene, but then again I never manage to make any characters hate me. Vivienne is the closest; she remains quite frosty on some playthroughs. With Solas, I imagine you have to make all the BIG decisions that he doesn't like, such as conscripting mages, welcoming the Wardens, etc. But even then, I always welcome instead of banish the Wardens, which he hates, and we're still great friends.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Dec 9, 2017 0:29:55 GMT
Because Solas is a still villain despite his moments of compassion. I mean, this is the same guy who would have burned alive three mages who were about to surrender if you didn't stop him. The guy has always had a dark side. LOL Is that the correct decision? I always let him do that because those mages basically killed that spirit. Yeah, not going to lie here. I usually let Solas barbecue those idiots. Mostly because I always let Sera kill that asshole noble in her quest so I figure if I don't want to be hypocrite I gotta let Solas commit murder too. Only fair.
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Post by Artemis on Dec 9, 2017 0:33:38 GMT
LOL Is that the correct decision? I always let him do that because those mages basically killed that spirit. Yeah, not going to lie here. I usually let Solas barbecue those idiots. Mostly because I always let Sera kill that asshole noble in her quest so I figure if I don't want to be hypocrite I gotta let Solas commit murder too. Only fair. Oh yeah, she pummels the fuck out of that piece of shit
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