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Post by Catilina on Dec 8, 2017 21:10:30 GMT
Jowan was definitely human. He's not much like Anders, as he actually likes Circle Life just fine, he just fears the harrowing (with it's inclination towards disappearing mages) that he learns blood magic to get an edge. Like Cheating. If he passed his harrowing, he would have lived Circle Life just fine and stopped worrying about things. Anders hated Circle Life from the get go. He was 12 when he arrived in the Circle, and had lived very independently in the Anderfells up to that point. The infringement on his freedom irritated and depressed him. He would attempt to escape for many years, and only his friendship with Karl led him to seemingly stop trying and make the best of it. And he's not much like Merril. Merril doesn't whine, she's quite cheerful, she is also quite educated (in spite of her airhead tendencies). She's got that inner strength that carries her to go after what she thinks is important. I love Jowan, but inner strength he has not I agree, except one thing: Jowan never liked the Circle, and fears from Harrowing only because he doesn't know, what is it. If the Warden says to him, what exactly he has to do, he only fears why he doesn't start his Harrowing, he fears about they want him to be Tranquil, and he was right. About the Circle, he said: he will marry with Lily, and live away from the Circle and it rules, quietly, as a farmer, no matter where just far from here. Yes, he's not a rebel soul, just wants to live as everyone. Sometimes seems a coward, he fears the failure, from the Tranquility, and unsure. He doesn't have Anders' and Merrill's inner fire, but when Greagoir threatened Lily, he tried to protect her, without killing anyone.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 8, 2017 21:16:46 GMT
Well we've already established that Solas is secretly a racist that thinks all the races on Thedas are shitty, except Inky whose "one of the good ones" apparently, so him being genocidal didn't surprise all that much once I figure out he was secretly a god. Being racist as deplorable and abhorrent it is does not lead to the desire to 100% destroy the perceived lessers. So, my suggestion casts his racism in what I feel is a bit more in character for him, more of a Kipling-esque racism than Hitler-like one. Except Solas doesn't know if there will be any survivors? And he certainly wouldn't be able to say that the Inquisitor would be one of them - how would that work? He's fully going into it knowing it could kill every single person. He knows its bad but he does have a godlike complex of thinking he knows its the correct choice (that's why he put up the veil in the first place) and so he'll "nobley" suffer the consequences. He definitely has this tragic suffering self-sacrificing (in his head) persona going on. He can think thet there's some worth in the current races of Thedas but still think that his actions are the correct ones. Even if they destroy said races - like I said he thinks he knows more than everyone and doesn't doubt his current choices, despite the fact his made wrong choices in the past (the veil, giving the orb to Corypheus, even his opinion on certain races depending on his opinion of Inky). Despite this, he's still not willing to consider that he's wrong, though he says "he hopes the Inquisitor could prove him wrong" but you can tell he doubts that. I suspect this part of his persona comes from the fact he was essentially treated as a God for years, and followers don't generally question gods decisions even if he was a rebel gods that was against the status quo. His name Solas does mean pride in Elvhen afterall. And so pride is an important part of his character.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Dec 8, 2017 21:18:19 GMT
Well we've already established that Solas is secretly a racist that thinks all the races on Thedas are shitty, except Inky whose "one of the good ones" apparently, so him being genocidal didn't surprise all that much once I figure out he was secretly a god. Being racist as deplorable and abhorrent it is does not lead to the desire to 100% destroy the perceived lessers. So, my suggestion casts his racism in what I feel is a bit more in character for him, more of a Kipling-esque racism than Hitler-like one. Oh I think I get what your talking about now. To me Solas' racism is just a justification he uses to feel less like a monster for planning on destroying everyone of Thedas instead of the main motivator for his genocide. He wants to bring back or re-empower the ancient elves as his primary goal and the only way to do that is by destroying the Veil, drowning the world in chaos, and reforming it is his image. He knows that doing this is horrible and evil, but he tells himself that it's not that bad because the people who are getting wiped out might as well be soulless Tranquil who don't really matter. It's kind of similar to how European colonists would justify their actions towards Indigenous peoples. Yeah, I'm stealing their land and raping their women, but their all godless heathens so I'm not that much of a monster and every selfish, murderous thing I do is ultimately in the service of a benevolent Manifest Destiny anyway. So I guess that makes him less of a Nazi. Sort of.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 8, 2017 21:18:22 GMT
What he actually does is ask you if he has misjudged the Dalish and his reaction to your answer is revealing:
If the Dalish could raise someone with a spirit like yours... have I misjudged them? ◾Yes. ◾Honestly, not really. ◾No. I am who I am. - Slightly Approves
You will notice that when you are effectively agreeing that you are an exception then he approves because you have reinforced his world view. He does a lot of that sort of thing. His approvals and disapprovals are often more revealing than what he actually says. I hate that balcony scene. It was one of the reasons, I stopped playing my Solasmance and made a new Lavellan, who will romance anyone but Solas. I find it strange, because I like his little tales, where he is telling about memories, he saw in the fade, with rebellious Qunari, sensible dwarves, brave humans... so he saw, that there are other shining examples of the inquisitors race (whatever it is, also I don't remember a tale involving elves, but the rest is covered) and he still thinks, inqui is the exception from his world view. It's a bit short sighted for such an old creature... To answer @carefulls original question, I do like the involvment of elven culture in DAI, I don't like everything (the 3-mages-rule came a bit out of the blue for me), but most of it. I'm a hugh fan of the Dalish and I do like, that they don't come out of the story smelling of roses. They have their skeletons in the closet like any other race, which make them more believable. But I do like to play the outsider once in a while too - for that, I have my little Cadashs - it's nice sometimes, not to have to care about church, elven culture, Qunari troubles, so it is either being super involved (human noble or elf) or not involved at all apart from the glowing hand and making friends (Cadash). But I have to say, I like the wartable mission of Lavellan, apart from the potential catastrophic ending, the most of all inqui wartable missions. The keeper of clan Lavellan is one cool lady, I love her from just reading her letters. This 3-mage-rule is a big bullshit. Started in Origins, that the mage-born children are blessings, and finished in the Inquisition, that mage children are curses. Not mentioned, they send these children to the wild. Let them alone, to be a disaster, near of their clan, yes? Seems meaningful...
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Dec 8, 2017 21:27:29 GMT
I hate that balcony scene. It was one of the reasons, I stopped playing my Solasmance and made a new Lavellan, who will romance anyone but Solas. I find it strange, because I like his little tales, where he is telling about memories, he saw in the fade, with rebellious Qunari, sensible dwarves, brave humans... so he saw, that there are other shining examples of the inquisitors race (whatever it is, also I don't remember a tale involving elves, but the rest is covered) and he still thinks, inqui is the exception from his world view. It's a bit short sighted for such an old creature... To answer @carefulls original question, I do like the involvment of elven culture in DAI, I don't like everything (the 3-mages-rule came a bit out of the blue for me), but most of it. I'm a hugh fan of the Dalish and I do like, that they don't come out of the story smelling of roses. They have their skeletons in the closet like any other race, which make them more believable. But I do like to play the outsider once in a while too - for that, I have my little Cadashs - it's nice sometimes, not to have to care about church, elven culture, Qunari troubles, so it is either being super involved (human noble or elf) or not involved at all apart from the glowing hand and making friends (Cadash). But I have to say, I like the wartable mission of Lavellan, apart from the potential catastrophic ending, the most of all inqui wartable missions. The keeper of clan Lavellan is one cool lady, I love her from just reading her letters. This 3-mage-rule is a big bullshit. Started in Origins, that the mage-born children are blessings, and finished in the Inquisition, that mag children are curses. Yeah, I only way I can make sense of that is by guessing that since the Dalish are a disparate people who only meet all together every decade or so is that after centuries of being divided that clans of developed different customs when it comes to mages. Some like Lavellan and the clan we meet in Origins don't have the rule, while others do probably because of a bad incident with an abomination or fear of templars.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 21:28:29 GMT
Being racist as deplorable and abhorrent it is does not lead to the desire to 100% destroy the perceived lessers. So, my suggestion casts his racism in what I feel is a bit more in character for him, more of a Kipling-esque racism than Hitler-like one. Oh I think I get what your talking about now. To me Solas' racism is just a justification he uses to feel less like a monster for planning on destroying everyone of Thedas instead of the main motivator for his genocide. He wants to bring back or re-empower the ancient elves as his primary goal and the only way to do that is by destroying the Veil, drowning the world in chaos, and reforming it is his image. He knows that doing this is horrible and evil, but he tells himself that it's not that bad because the people who are getting wiped out might as well be soulless Tranquil who don't really matter. It's kind of similar to how European colonists would justify their actions towards Indigenous peoples. Yeah, I'm stealing their land and raping their women, but their all godless heathens so I'm not that much of a monster and every selfish, murderous thing I do is ultimately in the service of a benevolent Manifest Destiny anyway. So I guess that makes him less of a Nazi. Sort of. Right, it also opens the avenue for him to rationalize that some of those lessers, like, say, that noble savage, his friend, will in the end benefit from the apocalypse he will unleash to bring back the glory days of his superior race. It will reconcile him seeing some good or interesting things in his lessers, as he demonstrates when he retells his visions, and his seemingly sincere love for the Inquisitor (including sexual fantasies) and explain why he has no significant qualms or internal conflict about his plan. After all, everyone deserving benefits in the end. In fact, they will thank him before long.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Dec 8, 2017 21:33:24 GMT
Oh I think I get what your talking about now. To me Solas' racism is just a justification he uses to feel less like a monster for planning on destroying everyone of Thedas instead of the main motivator for his genocide. He wants to bring back or re-empower the ancient elves as his primary goal and the only way to do that is by destroying the Veil, drowning the world in chaos, and reforming it is his image. He knows that doing this is horrible and evil, but he tells himself that it's not that bad because the people who are getting wiped out might as well be soulless Tranquil who don't really matter. It's kind of similar to how European colonists would justify their actions towards Indigenous peoples. Yeah, I'm stealing their land and raping their women, but their all godless heathens so I'm not that much of a monster and every selfish, murderous thing I do is ultimately in the service of a benevolent Manifest Destiny anyway. So I guess that makes him less of a Nazi. Sort of. Right, it also opens the avenue for him to rationalize that some of those lessers, like, say, that noble savage, his friend, will in the end benefit from the apocalypse he will unleash to bring back the glory days of his superior race. It will reconcile him seeing some good or interesting things in his lessers, as he demonstrates when he retells his visions, and his seemingly sincere love for the Inquisitor (including sexual fantasies) and explain why he has no significant qualms or internal conflict about his plan. After all, everyone deserving benefits in the end. In fact, they will thank him before long. I would prefer for him to just stop his plan entirely, if I'm being honest. There better ways to help the ancient elves, and elves in general, then by destroying the world and wiping out all the "lesser" people.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 8, 2017 21:33:53 GMT
This 3-mage-rule is a big bullshit. Started in Origins, that the mage-born children are blessings, and finished in the Inquisition, that mag children are curses. Yeah, I only way I can make sense of that is by guessing that since the Dalish are a disparate people who only meet all together every decade or so is that after centuries of being divided that clans of developed different customs when it comes to mages. Some like Lavellan and the clan we meet in Origins don't have the rule, while others do probably because of a bad incident with an abomination or fear of templars. They aren't animal hordes. And seems not really idiots. And the clans aren't totally separated, they keeping the connection. And leave this child (walking bomb – according to the 3-mages-bullshit) alone near to the clan... not even safe. They jeopardize wit it the whole clan and the wildlife. I don't see any logic in this role. Why not just kill them? And seems wasted talent. How they know, that child would not be the best keeper ever? The whole "Snowhite" story seems nonsense...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 21:35:51 GMT
Right, it also opens the avenue for him to rationalize that some of those lessers, like, say, that noble savage, his friend, will in the end benefit from the apocalypse he will unleash to bring back the glory days of his superior race. It will reconcile him seeing some good or interesting things in his lessers, as he demonstrates when he retells his visions, and his seemingly sincere love for the Inquisitor (including sexual fantasies) and explain why he has no significant qualms or internal conflict about his plan. After all, everyone deserving benefits in the end. In fact, they will thank him before long. I would prefer for him to just stop his plan entirely, if I'm being honest. There better ways to help the ancient elves, and elves in general, then by destroying the world and wiping out all the "lesser" people. I understand, and that is what creates the main conflict with the PC, and that is perfectly fine. I just cannot reconcile the rationale the game provides for him with his character.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Dec 8, 2017 21:39:07 GMT
Yeah, I only way I can make sense of that is by guessing that since the Dalish are a disparate people who only meet all together every decade or so is that after centuries of being divided that clans of developed different customs when it comes to mages. Some like Lavellan and the clan we meet in Origins don't have the rule, while others do probably because of a bad incident with an abomination or fear of templars. They aren't animal horde. And seems not really idiots. And the clans aren't totally separated, they keeping the connection. And leave this child (walking bomb – according to the 3-mages-bullshit) alone near to the clan... not even safe. They jeopardize wit it the whole clan and the wildlife. I don't see any logic in this role. Why not just kill them? Never underestimate the stupidity of people. Doing so will only leave you vulnerable. Honestly though, I have no idea. Maybe they just do it because they stupidity think leaving an infant out in the woods is more merciful than outright killing them?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 21:41:35 GMT
Maybe that’s where they started, and then someone went: oh, no, we can’t that would be way too similar to three living male children per drow house!
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 8, 2017 21:44:54 GMT
They aren't animal horde. And seems not really idiots. And the clans aren't totally separated, they keeping the connection. And leave this child (walking bomb – according to the 3-mages-bullshit) alone near to the clan... not even safe. They jeopardize wit it the whole clan and the wildlife. I don't see any logic in this role. Why not just kill them? Never underestimate the stupidity of people. Doing so will only leave you vulnerable. Honestly though, I have no idea. Maybe they just do it because they stupidity think leaving an infant out in the woods is more merciful than outright killing them? Well, your not talking a baby, it can be quite late when a child's magic surfaces, like Anders was 12. Basically, I think they want someone else to take the child *cough* Templars *cough* but, well, Dalish don't do contact with humans. They likely leave them near a human settlement.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Dec 8, 2017 21:46:41 GMT
Never underestimate the stupidity of people. Doing so will only leave you vulnerable. Honestly though, I have no idea. Maybe they just do it because they stupidity think leaving an infant out in the woods is more merciful than outright killing them? Well, your not talking a baby, it can be quite late when a child's magic surfaces, like Anders was 12. Basically, I think they want someone else to take the child *cough* Templars *cough* but, well, Dalish don't do contact with humans. They likely leave them near a human settlement. Oh, yeah, you're right. Me saying infant was an overstatement bit much. Thanks for the correction.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 8, 2017 21:46:47 GMT
Maybe that’s where they started, and then someone went: oh, no, we can’t that would be way too similar to three living male children per drow house! But the drow elves are evil...
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Post by fylimar on Dec 8, 2017 21:48:45 GMT
I hate that balcony scene. It was one of the reasons, I stopped playing my Solasmance and made a new Lavellan, who will romance anyone but Solas. I find it strange, because I like his little tales, where he is telling about memories, he saw in the fade, with rebellious Qunari, sensible dwarves, brave humans... so he saw, that there are other shining examples of the inquisitors race (whatever it is, also I don't remember a tale involving elves, but the rest is covered) and he still thinks, inqui is the exception from his world view. It's a bit short sighted for such an old creature... To answer @carefulls original question, I do like the involvment of elven culture in DAI, I don't like everything (the 3-mages-rule came a bit out of the blue for me), but most of it. I'm a hugh fan of the Dalish and I do like, that they don't come out of the story smelling of roses. They have their skeletons in the closet like any other race, which make them more believable. But I do like to play the outsider once in a while too - for that, I have my little Cadashs - it's nice sometimes, not to have to care about church, elven culture, Qunari troubles, so it is either being super involved (human noble or elf) or not involved at all apart from the glowing hand and making friends (Cadash). But I have to say, I like the wartable mission of Lavellan, apart from the potential catastrophic ending, the most of all inqui wartable missions. The keeper of clan Lavellan is one cool lady, I love her from just reading her letters. This 3-mage-rule is a big bullshit. Started in Origins, that the mage-born children are blessings, and finished in the Inquisition, that mage children are curses. Not mentioned, they send these children to the wild. Let them alone, to be a disaster, near of their clan, yes? Seems meaningful... I agree, I don't get why they had to bring up that rule. they could have given Minaeve a different background story, after all, it wasn't really important for the storyline. More important for Minaeves character was, that she likes to study creatures and protect the tranquil. They didn't need the 3-mages-rule for that. Plus, as you said, the Dalish are protective of their people, I can't see them sending a little child out into the wilds, mage or not
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Dec 8, 2017 21:49:22 GMT
Maybe that’s where they started, and then someone went: oh, no, we can’t that would be way too similar to three living male children per drow house! But the drow elves are evil... Couldn't resist.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 8, 2017 21:53:56 GMT
This 3-mage-rule is a big bullshit. Started in Origins, that the mage-born children are blessings, and finished in the Inquisition, that mage children are curses. Not mentioned, they send these children to the wild. Let them alone, to be a disaster, near of their clan, yes? Seems meaningful... I agree, I don't get why they had to bring up that rule. they could have given Minaeve a different background story, after all, it wasn't really important for the storyline. More important for Minaeves character was, that she likes to study creatures and protect the tranquil. They didn't need the 3-mages-rule for that. Plus, as you said, the Dalish are protective of their people, I can't see them sending a little child out into the wilds, mage or not There's one explain: when the Templars kidnapped Minaeve, she got a serious shock, and created a story for herself.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 8, 2017 21:58:40 GMT
This 3-mage-rule is a big bullshit. Started in Origins, that the mage-born children are blessings, and finished in the Inquisition, that mage children are curses. Not mentioned, they send these children to the wild. Let them alone, to be a disaster, near of their clan, yes? Seems meaningful... I agree, I don't get why they had to bring up that rule. they could have given Minaeve a different background story, after all, it wasn't really important for the storyline. More important for Minaeves character was, that she likes to study creatures and protect the tranquil. They didn't need the 3-mages-rule for that. Plus, as you said, the Dalish are protective of their people, I can't see them sending a little child out into the wilds, mage or not I can, and I can see them not mentioning it much - it would very much be a dark secret, admitting they are pretty much "giving" some of their mages to the templers cus they can't handle them. And if there are too many mages they can't, their entire system is based off a senior mage apprenticing a younger mage, that needs a small number of mages, specially when the mage is given the leadership role - you only need one leader per clan, large numbers could start trouble. This is a problem, however, that wouldn't come up very often, mage children are rare, and they usually give extra to another clan in need. Having too many at a time would happen in very rare instances. So, it's not really surprising that the solution wouldn't be known widely among the Dalish people. And it's not just the Dalish that have not good solutions outside the Circles. The Avvar admit if there's a problem mage they just slit their throat when they sleep. The whole point of the mages is their is no good solution. All of the different races solutions have dark sides to them. And that's really cus magic is not normal in a world with a veil.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 8, 2017 21:59:37 GMT
Technically, shouldn't your Inquisitor be saying "I am a real kossith"? Of course, this is the fault of the qunari, since they're the ones who started muddling up the distinction between the race and the followers of the Qun. Not really. The only time Kossith is at all dragged to light is specifically for the IB to insult the Qunari Inquisitor. It is an obscure term not used by anyone at all to refer to the race. The character spreadsheet says Qunari. It’s like telling a Russian immigrant that because they are not a member of the communist party and do not live within the borders of Russia, they are not Russian, really, they are Radimich or Krivich. But that's the definition of "qunari." Your PC gets to not like that definition, but I don't think your PC gets to change the language to suit herself.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 8, 2017 22:00:52 GMT
They aren't animal horde. And seems not really idiots. And the clans aren't totally separated, they keeping the connection. And leave this child (walking bomb – according to the 3-mages-bullshit) alone near to the clan... not even safe. They jeopardize wit it the whole clan and the wildlife. I don't see any logic in this role. Why not just kill them? Never underestimate the stupidity of people. Doing so will only leave you vulnerable. Honestly though, I have no idea. Maybe they just do it because they stupidity think leaving an infant out in the woods is more merciful than outright killing them? Oh, I never do such a thing...I'm virtually invulnerable. But I still try to find the logic and the consistency in a story. Mercyful? Remember Connor!
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 8, 2017 22:02:04 GMT
Never underestimate the stupidity of people. Doing so will only leave you vulnerable. Honestly though, I have no idea. Maybe they just do it because they stupidity think leaving an infant out in the woods is more merciful than outright killing them? Oh, I never do such a thing...I'm virtually invulnerable. But I still try to find the logic and the consistency in a story. Mercyful? Remember Connor! Connor had a teacher...
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Post by Catilina on Dec 8, 2017 22:04:10 GMT
Oh, I never do such a thing...I'm virtually invulnerable. But I still try to find the logic and the consistency in a story. Mercyful? Remember Connor! Connor had a teacher... Elven children too. And Jowan was not a teacher. He was an apprentice. Not every mage apprentice was able to teach a frightened child...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 22:07:19 GMT
Not really. The only time Kossith is at all dragged to light is specifically for the IB to insult the Qunari Inquisitor. It is an obscure term not used by anyone at all to refer to the race. The character spreadsheet says Qunari. It’s like telling a Russian immigrant that because they are not a member of the communist party and do not live within the borders of Russia, they are not Russian, really, they are Radimich or Krivich. But that's the definition of "qunari." Your PC gets to not like that definition, but I don't think your PC gets to change the language to suit herself. My PC goes by the character sheet. It says "QUNARI". When I create him, he is called "Qunari". Everyone else in the world calls him Qunari. And, at no point in the game there is an options to tell IB to shut up, and tell anyone how the PC, and PC's parents view the Dragon Blood. All the Qunari PC gets to do is smile and nod as he is insulted. Not a single other character in the entire franchise is referred to as Kossith. So, the only way to play this game as a Qunari is not to recruit IB.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 8, 2017 22:08:40 GMT
Elven children too. And Jowan was not a teacher. He was an apprentice. Not every mage apprentice was able to teach a frightened child... Jowan caused the situation to make the frightened child when he poisoned Connor's Father. And I think that the Dalish clan likely deliberately left Minaeve near a human village - children don't travel far. Too many mages would attract Templer notice, and with the Dalish system, too many mages wouldn't be able to be trained correctly. And, like what Connor's case shows us, a badly trained mage, even young, is a dangerous thing.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 8, 2017 22:13:33 GMT
But that's the definition of "qunari." Your PC gets to not like that definition, but I don't think your PC gets to change the language to suit herself. My PC goes by the character sheet. It says "QUNARI". When I create him, he is called "Qunari". Everyone else in the world calls him Qunari. And, at no point in the game there is an options to tell IB to shut up, and tell anyone how the PC, and PC's parents view the Dragon Blood. All the Qunari PC gets to do is smile and nod as he is insulted. Not a single other character in the entire franchise is referred to as Kossith. Because the South use Qunari and the species interchangeably. And the Qun does not, as it does not matter what species you are, if you follow the Qun, you are Qunari. I'm pretty sure this is mentioned as far back as DAO in the codexes. It's not as if the South really understands when the Qun is very well. Considering the Inquisitor's family does originally come from the Qun, they would know the distinction. And we don't actually meet any Kossith, other than the Inquisitor, that aren't in the Qun.
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