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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 13:05:14 GMT
Will Mass Effect as a universe continue, definitely. Will there be a sequel to MEA...doubtful. But I do see one viable way to move forward with the latter and recapture enough interest. Allow the player character to be any of the races and set the game about 50 years into the future...introducing the next generation of "Pathfinders." They would absolutely need to produce a dlc/expansion to tie up the loose ends of MEA...even if it's a break even proposition. Obviously they would need to put more effort into their storytelling on the next go. There are an endless number of ways a future story in Andromeda could be written and number of which could revive interest in the series. Bioware probably have at least five years before a new ME:A game is released, maybe as long as 10 years. That's what "hiatus" means - they're giving everything a longer cooling off period. After that long, I think far fewer people are really going to care whether or not "Andromeda" is part of the ongoing saga than the naysayers like to assert. What will matter more is whether or not the pre-release reviews are good. If they are very good, it just won't matter what the game is called or the fine details of the story. Jumping the story 50 years into the future is fine. They could also jump it farther into the future or not at all. Most of the Andromeda galaxy is a totally blank sheet - endless new species can be introduced, those species can have huge populations. The next PC could be any species even if the story is not jumped into the future at all. The Next Gen Pathfinders can be enlisted right now. Pathfinders take risks, they die and a new pathfinder takes their place. We also know that a SAM can survive without a pathfinder for some time (Macen died long before the Turian SAM was transferred into Rix). Furthermore, it wouldn't be the first time Bioware has killed off the old PC at the start of a game, right? If wouldn't be so big a stretch for them to kill off both Ryder twins or even all the current pathfinders in one "catastrophe" at the start of ME:A2.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 21, 2018 13:15:05 GMT
Will Mass Effect as a universe continue, definitely. Will there be a sequel to MEA...doubtful. But I do see one viable way to move forward with the latter and recapture enough interest. Allow the player character to be any of the races and set the game about 50 years into the future...introducing the next generation of "Pathfinders." They would absolutely need to produce a dlc/expansion to tie up the loose ends of MEA...even if it's a break even proposition. Obviously they would need to put more effort into their storytelling on the next go. There are an endless number of ways a future story in Andromeda could be written and number of which could revive interest in the series. Bioware probably have at least five years before a new ME:A game is released, maybe as long as 10 years. That's what "hiatus" means - they're giving everything a longer cooling off period. After that long, I think far fewer people are really going to care whether or not "Andromeda" is part of the ongoing saga than the naysayers like to assert. What will matter more is whether or not the pre-release reviews are good. If they are very good, it just won't matter what the game is called or the fine details of the story. Jumping the story 50 years into the future is fine. They could also jump it farther into the future or not at all. Most of the Andromeda galaxy is a totally blank sheet - endless new species can be introduced, those species can have huge populations. The next PC could be any species even if the story is not jumped into the future at all. The Next Gen Pathfinders can be enlisted right now. Pathfinders take risks, they die and a new pathfinder takes their place. We also know that a SAM can survive without a pathfinder for some time (Macen died long before the Turian SAM was transferred into Rix). Furthermore, it wouldn't be the first time Bioware has killed off the old PC at the start of a game, right? If wouldn't be so big a stretch for them to kill off both Ryder twins or even all the current pathfinders in one "catastrophe" at the start of ME:A2. I’d much prefer keeping the same protagonist, but if done right I might accept it but I’d prefer they not go the DA route. Time jump is fine but not that much. 2-5 years max.
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Post by helios969 on Apr 21, 2018 13:20:39 GMT
Will Mass Effect as a universe continue, definitely. Will there be a sequel to MEA...doubtful. But I do see one viable way to move forward with the latter and recapture enough interest. Allow the player character to be any of the races and set the game about 50 years into the future...introducing the next generation of "Pathfinders." They would absolutely need to produce a dlc/expansion to tie up the loose ends of MEA...even if it's a break even proposition. Obviously they would need to put more effort into their storytelling on the next go. There are an endless number of ways a future story in Andromeda could be written and number of which could revive interest in the series. Bioware probably have at least five years before a new ME:A game is released, maybe as long as 10 years. That's what "hiatus" means - they're giving everything a longer cooling off period. After that long, I think far fewer people are really going to care whether or not "Andromeda" is part of the ongoing saga than the naysayers like to assert. What will matter more is whether or not the pre-release reviews are good. If they are very good, it just won't matter what the game is called or the fine details of the story. Jumping the story 50 years into the future is fine. They could also jump it farther into the future or not at all. Most of the Andromeda galaxy is a totally blank sheet - endless new species can be introduced, those species can have huge populations. The next PC could be any species even if the story is not jumped into the future at all. The Next Gen Pathfinders can be enlisted right now. Pathfinders take risks, they die and a new pathfinder takes their place. We also know that a SAM can survive without a pathfinder for some time (Macen died long before the Turian SAM was transferred into Rix). Furthermore, it wouldn't be the first time Bioware has killed off the old PC at the start of a game, right? If wouldn't be so big a stretch for them to kill off both Ryder twins or even all the current pathfinders in one "catastrophe" at the start of ME:A2. Yeah, I was really talking about a more immediate fix and salvaging MEA. But if it's as you suggest and it is 10 years before the next installment, then I agree it'll matter little whether it is Andromeda, MW, sequel, reboot, whatever. Few around here will care and they'll be targeting a whole new generation of gamers.
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Post by tatann on May 3, 2018 11:45:40 GMT
Considering that Bioware are not as great writers as before, that they still push open worlds despite the fact that their fans are complaining about it (for the most), I wouldn't mind if they gave us a 10-hour singleplayer FPS/TPS action game full of corridors (Bulletstorm, W40K Space Marine, etc...) Or a pure multiplayer game like MExMP, but without handing over the netcode to a 18 year old intern of course, like they did with MEAMP
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 3, 2018 12:02:34 GMT
Considering that Bioware are not as great writers as before, that they still push open worlds despite the fact that their fans are complaining about it (for the most), I wouldn't mind if they gave us a 10-hour singleplayer FPS/TPS action game full of corridors (Bulletstorm, W40K Space Marine, etc...) Or a pure multiplayer game like MExMP, but without handing over the netcode to a 18 year old intern of course, like they did with MEAMP I would, and bioware isnt an entity that writes I heard DAIMP had very bad "netcode" in the beginning, but now that I replaced me3mp with DAIMP, its been just fine. And 99% of time MEAMP is just fine when hoster is inside the continent area (bad games experienced in India, Poland(!) and Canada, and I'm from northern Europe) or hosts from slow connection/wifi.. also have experienced very laggy games on me3mp too. I think you want a game from some other company?
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Post by griffith82 on May 3, 2018 14:41:58 GMT
Considering that Bioware are not as great writers as before, that they still push open worlds despite the fact that their fans are complaining about it (for the most), I wouldn't mind if they gave us a 10-hour singleplayer FPS/TPS action game full of corridors (Bulletstorm, W40K Space Marine, etc...) Or a pure multiplayer game like MExMP, but without handing over the netcode to a 18 year old intern of course, like they did with MEAMP That is not a Bioware game. I would not like this. Nope not at all.
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Post by Iakus on May 3, 2018 15:22:46 GMT
Considering that Bioware are not as great writers as before, that they still push open worlds despite the fact that their fans are complaining about it (for the most), I wouldn't mind if they gave us a 10-hour singleplayer FPS/TPS action game full of corridors (Bulletstorm, W40K Space Marine, etc...) Or a pure multiplayer game like MExMP, but without handing over the netcode to a 18 year old intern of course, like they did with MEAMP Well, that's one way the game could have been worse...
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Post by Ahriman on May 3, 2018 15:30:00 GMT
Considering that Bioware are not as great writers as before, that they still push open worlds despite the fact that their fans are complaining about it (for the most), I wouldn't mind if they gave us a 10-hour singleplayer FPS/TPS action game full of corridors (Bulletstorm, W40K Space Marine, etc...) Or a pure multiplayer game like MExMP, but without handing over the netcode to a 18 year old intern of course, like they did with MEAMP You don't need BW for that, Respawn has better experience with action. Heck, if they'd make ME game the way they made TF2 campaign it would be a day 1 purchase for me. If they had a writer capable of creating more nuanced plot, that is.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on May 3, 2018 16:55:03 GMT
Considering that Bioware are not as great writers as before, that they still push open worlds despite the fact that their fans are complaining about it (for the most), I wouldn't mind if they gave us a 10-hour singleplayer FPS/TPS action game full of corridors (Bulletstorm, W40K Space Marine, etc...) Or a pure multiplayer game like MExMP, but without handing over the netcode to a 18 year old intern of course, like they did with MEAMP That is not a Bioware game. I would not like this. Nope not at all. Neither would I. Yes they screwed up things with one game but it's not that bad. Generally speaking I like what they've done they just need to be managed better and I think it's something they realise now.
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Post by Sanunes on May 3, 2018 17:33:25 GMT
That is not a Bioware game. I would not like this. Nope not at all. Neither would I. Yes they screwed up things with one game but it's not that bad. Generally speaking I like what they've done they just need to be managed better and I think it's something they realise now. Well I am not sure if it is need to be better managed or need better management. All we have to go on is that one article, but if it is accurate there was a lot of problems with management at BioWare Montreal and bad management makes a good team look bad regardless of what industry.
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Post by griffith82 on May 3, 2018 18:15:27 GMT
That is not a Bioware game. I would not like this. Nope not at all. Neither would I. Yes they screwed up things with one game but it's not that bad. Generally speaking I like what they've done they just need to be managed better and I think it's something they realise now. Which game? I don’t feel they screwed up any really. MEA has a rocky start but it’s still a great game.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on May 3, 2018 18:19:13 GMT
Neither would I. Yes they screwed up things with one game but it's not that bad. Generally speaking I like what they've done they just need to be managed better and I think it's something they realise now. Well I am not sure if it is need to be better managed or need better management. All we have to go on is that one article, but if it is accurate there was a lot of problems with management at BioWare Montreal and bad management makes a good team look bad regardless of what industry. Perhaps a little of both but I don't think the game was a total disaster personally as I still enjoy playing it. I don't have a playthrough on the go atm but I do have at least 3 more planned. As I must admit I loved the level designs and the vaults and everything The story for me just needed to maybe be a bit tighter is all but that aside I liked it. I still believe DLC would have helped but as the French say C'est La Vie nothing we can do about it now
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Post by sjsharp2010 on May 3, 2018 18:26:52 GMT
Neither would I. Yes they screwed up things with one game but it's not that bad. Generally speaking I like what they've done they just need to be managed better and I think it's something they realise now. Which game? I don’t feel they screwed up any really. MEA has a rocky start but it’s still a great game. I agree MEA is still a great game but it wasn't helped by it's management is all I meant with regards that procedural planet system they were going to implement and spent 3 of those years wasting time trying to get it to work. If they had spent that time tightening the story up maybe adding another planet or 2 to visit in the main story or something instead it could have maybe been better. Thjat's all I was saying in that there was till definite room for improvement there but I still really like it though
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Post by abaris on May 3, 2018 20:29:45 GMT
Neither would I. Yes they screwed up things with one game but it's not that bad. Generally speaking I like what they've done they just need to be managed better and I think it's something they realise now. If they are given that chance. If Anthem tanks, all bets are off. There have been no official announcements of any game apart from Anthem. And there's not even a team that could theoretically work on something besides Anthem. So it's not as if they would publish anything of value within the next 3 to 4 years under the best of circumstances. The problem is the mother company being determined to go down the multiplayer road. There's more money to be made via microtransactions and loot boxes. Bioware doesn't really fit that model and I for one am very sceptical, they are given the chance to play to their real strengths anytime soon.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on May 3, 2018 21:13:45 GMT
Neither would I. Yes they screwed up things with one game but it's not that bad. Generally speaking I like what they've done they just need to be managed better and I think it's something they realise now. If they are given that chance. If Anthem tanks, all bets are off. There have been no official announcements of any game apart from Anthem. And there's not even a team that could theoretically work on something besides Anthem. So it's not as if they would publish anything of value within the next 3 to 4 years under the best of circumstances. The problem is the mother company being determined to go down the multiplayer road. There's more money to be made via microtransactions and loot boxes. Bioware doesn't really fit that model and I for one am very sceptical, they are given the chance to play to their real strengths anytime soon. Perhaps bu tther ehave been kind of unofficial hints they aer working on the Next DA aswell the only reason why it's all Anthem atm is because that's their next project. We all know that most companies only work largely on promoting one project at a time.
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Post by Sanunes on May 3, 2018 22:32:37 GMT
If they are given that chance. If Anthem tanks, all bets are off. There have been no official announcements of any game apart from Anthem. And there's not even a team that could theoretically work on something besides Anthem. So it's not as if they would publish anything of value within the next 3 to 4 years under the best of circumstances. The problem is the mother company being determined to go down the multiplayer road. There's more money to be made via microtransactions and loot boxes. Bioware doesn't really fit that model and I for one am very sceptical, they are given the chance to play to their real strengths anytime soon. Perhaps bu tther ehave been kind of unofficial hints they aer working on the Next DA aswell the only reason why it's all Anthem atm is because that's their next project. We all know that most companies only work largely on promoting one project at a time. Agreed. That is what we have seen from BioWare for years, they will promote one game at a time. There might be rumors about other games in production, but they really don't talk about anything expect for their upcoming game and now they are trying to stay even quieter prior to launch even about the game they are about to release.
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IF ME:Andromeda is the next game, A more matured Ryder that is a bit more independant from S.A.M. if it is well written.
Either Milk Way or Andromeda, a New PC can be good if well written. I do think a New Mass Effect will sell well if there is a sensible game, good game mechanic and good animations.
For example, I would love a series of Mass effect games that involves a New PC that is con-current to Shepard(personally non-alliance but any other faction) and want they did in the build up to the Reaper war and post Reaper war(they can retcon the endings if need be)
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Post by dmc1001 on May 4, 2018 2:50:21 GMT
NPCs People might like: Imagine recruiting 3 vorchas with the humor of the 3 stooges while being highly capable badasses when it is time to be serious. I assume these are stowaways or part of the cleanup crew who forgot to leave. I'm having a hard time imagining vorcha intentionally being brought along. They're something like galactic vermin. That said, it would be amusing.
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Post by themikefest on May 4, 2018 2:59:20 GMT
NPCs People might like: Imagine recruiting 3 vorchas with the humor of the 3 stooges while being highly capable badasses when it is time to be serious. Larry, Curly and Moe? That's what I call the council in ME1
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Post by cypherj on May 4, 2018 3:18:14 GMT
They need to kick the ball down the road, into the future a long way. Open up more of the galaxy, bring in some more races, tie it all together with some backstory. See what the planets look like after the vaults have done their thing.
Another game a few years into the future, still in the Helius cluster, with everything still just starting out wouldn't interest me at all.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 4, 2018 3:52:38 GMT
NPCs People might like: Imagine recruiting 3 vorchas with the humor of the 3 stooges while being highly capable badasses when it is time to be serious. Larry, Curly and Moe? That's what I call the council in ME1. Too bad their replacements, if you kill them, are just as bad.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 4, 2018 3:55:11 GMT
They need to kick the ball down the road, into the future a long way. Open up more of the galaxy, bring in some more races, tie it all together with some backstory. See what the planets look like after the vaults have done their thing. Another game a few years into the future, still in the Helius cluster, with everything still just starting out wouldn't interest me at all. If they're kicking the ball down the road, they may as well just return to the MW. Otherwise, let's wrap of the current threads left unfinished. I agree on the vaults thing but I actually wouldn't be surprised if change didn't happen pretty quickly. The atmosphere, temperature and radiation levels all changed drastically immediately after using the vault.
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Post by abaris on May 4, 2018 7:11:15 GMT
Perhaps bu tther ehave been kind of unofficial hints they aer working on the Next DA aswell the only reason why it's all Anthem atm is because that's their next project. We all know that most companies only work largely on promoting one project at a time. So who's gonna make it, with Montreal largely dissolved and Edmonton working on Anthem?
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Post by cypherj on May 4, 2018 11:19:03 GMT
They need to kick the ball down the road, into the future a long way. Open up more of the galaxy, bring in some more races, tie it all together with some backstory. See what the planets look like after the vaults have done their thing. Another game a few years into the future, still in the Helius cluster, with everything still just starting out wouldn't interest me at all. If they're kicking the ball down the road, they may as well just return to the MW. Otherwise, let's wrap of the current threads left unfinished. I agree on the vaults thing but I actually wouldn't be surprised if change didn't happen pretty quickly. The atmosphere, temperature and radiation levels all changed drastically immediately after using the vault. But there's really nothing so immediate that needs to be addressed right away. The AI found their planet, and honestly, with only 250K ppl they don't even need the other colonies. Everyone could live on Meridian for the time being, especially since they have their own terraforming equipment like they used on Habitat 7. They can terraform planets to their liking and move to them in a few generations. Remnant Vaults - Time would have allowed them to study the vaults and the remnant and learn more about them. Possibly leading to some reverse engineering. Jardaan - Nothing was started with them really, so telling their story now or down the road won't make a difference. Study of the vaults, the scourge and the equipment could lead to things over the years as well. Kett - The Kett use a form of Arks, so they may not be able to immediately send large-scale reinforcements to Helius right away. Or the rest of the galaxy could have come together and formed an alliance that put a halt to the Ketts march across the galaxy. An alliance that the AI has entered or enters. Benefactor - Perhaps the benefactor is a group and not one person, and they sent operatives to Andromeda, and they've been biding their time putting people in places to be able to have some control from the shadows in Andromeda as well. This would be much better than just finding out who it is, and tieing it up. Things like curing Ryder's mom, catching up with Reyes is you chose Sloan, or some of the other smaller side stuff isn't worth keeping Andromeda in infancy. Main storywise, there was nothing imminent that can't be told just as well after a long time skip than a small one because they wrote so many things as if they intended to explain them later.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on May 4, 2018 11:49:52 GMT
Perhaps bu tther ehave been kind of unofficial hints they aer working on the Next DA aswell the only reason why it's all Anthem atm is because that's their next project. We all know that most companies only work largely on promoting one project at a time. So who's gonna make it, with Montreal largely dissolved and Edmonton working on Anthem? <iframe width="23.960000000000036" height="4.97999999999999" style="position: absolute; width: 23.960000000000036px; height: 4.97999999999999px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_37897761" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="23.960000000000036" height="4.97999999999999" style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 4.98px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1138px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_35205767" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="23.960000000000036" height="4.97999999999999" style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 4.98px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 188px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_15341115" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="23.960000000000036" height="4.97999999999999" style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 4.98px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1138px; top: 188px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_7359633" scrolling="no"></iframe> Last I checked there's more than one team in Edmonton. As that's Bioware's main headquarters I believe. Montreal and Austin are/were both smaller so are really only able to work on one project at a time. Only one of these teams is working on Anthem the other is likely working on DA4. Sometimes the other studios do help each other out but generally only in a support way otherwise they largely stick to their own projects.
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