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Post by correctamundo on Jun 17, 2018 10:56:02 GMT
Do people want romances? In a Looter-Shooter game? There is something seriously odd here. Though my two cents is that some people who are hyped for Anthem might not be aware of what a Looter-Shooter actually is, which is a game for you to gather some friends and grind for loot together. There aren't even companions. NPCs are for the most part either vendors or quest givers. Solo play if available is a mere compromise. So really, it is extremely unlikely that there will be romance. But they are not making a typical looter-shooter game. How new it will feel remains to be seen.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 17, 2018 14:19:19 GMT
Dear Ubisoft: You have no idea at the can of worms you just opened for yourself. Spend half your development resources on romance content and people will still rage that there weren't enough X options, or options weren't good-looking enough, or options didn't represent every gender/race/orientation equally, or options were too graphic...or not enough, blah...blah...blah. Best of luck to you. Long time Bioware fan.
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Post by Steelcan on Jun 17, 2018 19:43:03 GMT
Do people want romances? In a Looter-Shooter game? There is something seriously odd here. Though my two cents is that some people who are hyped for Anthem might not be aware of what a Looter-Shooter actually is, which is a game for you to gather some friends and grind for loot together. There aren't even companions. NPCs are for the most part either vendors or quest givers. Solo play if available is a mere compromise. So really, it is extremely unlikely that there will be romance. But they are not making a typical looter-shooter game. How new it will feel remains to be seen. The fact that they aren't offering anything to say how it's new is rather telling. And no, general platitudes about deep friendships don't count. No game advertises itself on "only interact with NPCs to buy new guns and get fetch quests"
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Post by correctamundo on Jun 17, 2018 20:37:25 GMT
But they are not making a typical looter-shooter game. How new it will feel remains to be seen. The fact that they aren't offering anything to say how it's new is rather telling. And no, general platitudes about deep friendships don't count. No game advertises itself on "only interact with NPCs to buy new guns and get fetch quests" Maybe you should take those earplugs out. It will help.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 17, 2018 20:37:56 GMT
The fact that they aren't offering anything to say how it's new is rather telling. Doesn't sound 'telling' to me at all, it's the start of an 8 month pre-launch marketing plan. The only thing 'telling' at this stage are the preconceptions and biases we all bring to the discussion before the marketing has rolled out.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 18, 2018 2:23:36 GMT
But they are not making a typical looter-shooter game. How new it will feel remains to be seen. The fact that they aren't offering anything to say how it's new is rather telling. And no, general platitudes about deep friendships don't count. No game advertises itself on "only interact with NPCs to buy new guns and get fetch quests" Part of me wants to be optimistic, but considering what this game is aiming to be, my expectations are very low. For our PC’s “downtime”, I’m leaving it basically at standard hub mechanics and a home base of varying levels of customization. I admit it’ll be nice if we can have some sort of “garage” type setup where we can see our custom Javelins and perhaps whatever world collectibles there are, but that’s kind of where the bar lies.
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Post by paznehtiovecka on Jun 18, 2018 18:21:33 GMT
It is fascinating to see people complain about absence of so called "romances" since Bioware basically did this kind a thing since Baldurs Gate 2 (i am certain most of the "whiners" DIDNT even play BG) after that they began to include Lesbians and gays - from KOTOR (Juhani was probably first lesbian romance in game ever) to dragon age. They were able to create stuff like this for decades for us. And now they wanna do something little bit different. And to be honest i dont care. If writing will compliment all these characters in Anthem and therefore make me care about them, ergo build friendship with them, then i will be more than happy. I was able to make some kind of bond with these characters, characters like Garrus, Tali, Varric, Bastila, Sera and so on. I never feel need to sleep with them. They were like real persons i d like to know i real life, you know? Friedndship is much stronger than "romance" always was, always will be. Without friendship there is not "romance" There are many amazing games aside of bioware like The Last of Us, Bioshock infinite, Witcher, Life is strange - all of these have memorable characters, which yo can easily see as a friend without any sexual or romantic interaction. If you want to really see some "romance" you can buy the Assasins Creed (i can already see how "well" will it go with Ubisoft writing) or you can search the internet there are plenty of "romance" material ) In the retrospect i am kinda glad for Bioware that they are freed from this. Bioware is last studio, to which all of these ungrateful individuals and whiners should complain about.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jun 18, 2018 18:49:12 GMT
You start the post with 'complain' and end with 'ungrateful' and 'whiners'. Are those the same people to you?
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Post by paznehtiovecka on Jun 18, 2018 19:46:13 GMT
You start the post with 'complain' and end with 'ungrateful' and 'whiners'. Are those the same people to you? Is that a rhetorical question? People who say or said they will boycott Bioware because they will not able to bang some dude or dudette in a mech suit are not rational, hypocritical or stupid even.
There will be characters, there will be choice, there will be dialogue, that is so much more than any other game in this genre can offer. So i do NOT understand thought processes of these so called "fans" its ok to be uneasy/cautious for we have not witness any of this aspect in Anthem yet, but boycott cuZ no romance? Ludicrous.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 18, 2018 19:57:14 GMT
Is that a rhetorical question? People who say or said they will boycott Bioware because they will not able to bang some dude or dudette in a mech suit are not rational, hypocritical or stupid even.
There will be characters, there will be choice, there will be dialogue, that is so much more than any other game in this genre can offer. So i do NOT understand thought processes of these so called "fans" its ok to be uneasy/cautious for we have not witness any of this aspect in Anthem yet, but boycott cuZ no romance? Ludicrous. I don't think I've seen anyone wanting to boycott the game for that reason, do you have a source or is that hyperbole? I've seen a few disappointed people saying it kills their interest, but the follow-up news from BioWare suggests to me that the game will still contain meaningful relationships.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jun 18, 2018 20:00:04 GMT
Yeah I haven't seen a single person claim boycott. Surprising, because even trolls are a thing.
Whether they are LGBT activists or the worst of Gamergate.
I've seen disappointment yes. And claims to not be interested anymore. (And for myself, I count in mild disappointment, but no more than that.)
But no boycotts anywhere.
Link?
My point was, a complaint isn't the same as entitled whining, nor a boycott, and I've seen neither, so I'm curious where you're getting that.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 18, 2018 20:04:40 GMT
Either way, any initial disappointment I might have felt is more associated with the 'tradition'.
There are a raft of practical reasons that justify this news, if the story and characters remain engaging as I suspect they will, I think it will be more than fine.
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Post by hivemind on Jun 18, 2018 20:05:25 GMT
You start the post with 'complain' and end with 'ungrateful' and 'whiners'. Are those the same people to you? Is that a rhetorical question? People who say or said they will boycott Bioware because they will not able to bang some dude or dudette in a mech suit are not rational, hypocritical or stupid even.
There will be characters, there will be choice, there will be dialogue, that is so much more than any other game in this genre can offer. So i do NOT understand thought processes of these so called "fans" its ok to be uneasy/cautious for we have not witness any of this aspect in Anthem yet, but boycott cuZ no romance? Ludicrous.
I don't see anything stupid here. it's only logicall if a person will refuse to buy a product X if it doesn't have a feature Y. You may argue that the said feauture is insignificant, but it's subjective. For example, the entirity of Old BSN will make their lifegoal to make sure you know how significan't it is. For the record, romances isn't something that will make a buy or no-buy decision for me personally. For starters, i need a characters worth romancing first.
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Post by paznehtiovecka on Jun 18, 2018 21:25:01 GMT
Is that a rhetorical question? People who say or said they will boycott Bioware because they will not able to bang some dude or dudette in a mech suit are not rational, hypocritical or stupid even.
There will be characters, there will be choice, there will be dialogue, that is so much more than any other game in this genre can offer. So i do NOT understand thought processes of these so called "fans" its ok to be uneasy/cautious for we have not witness any of this aspect in Anthem yet, but boycott cuZ no romance? Ludicrous. I don't think I've seen anyone wanting to boycott the game for that reason, do you have a source or is that hyperbole? I've seen a few disappointed people saying it kills their interest, but the follow-up news from BioWare suggests to me that the game will still contain meaningful relationships. "Deep friendships lol. More like they want to woo people who think murdering people in games is fab but characters expressing feelings is icky. The lack of romances is a pretty huge red flag for me when it comes to rpgs as it’s a fundamental human element which you’d want in rpg character building."
This is one of the first respond on this post. And it has dozens of likes. I dont know about you but term "huge red flag" is basically saying "hell no, f*ck you, i will not buy your crap" and that lol after "deep friendship" speaks volumes about mentality of "fans" like him.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 18, 2018 22:36:23 GMT
I don't think I've seen anyone wanting to boycott the game for that reason, do you have a source or is that hyperbole? I've seen a few disappointed people saying it kills their interest, but the follow-up news from BioWare suggests to me that the game will still contain meaningful relationships. "Deep friendships lol. More like they want to woo people who think murdering people in games is fab but characters expressing feelings is icky. The lack of romances is a pretty huge red flag for me when it comes to rpgs as it’s a fundamental human element which you’d want in rpg character building."
This is one of the first respond on this post. And it has dozens of likes. I dont know about you but term "huge red flag" is basically saying "hell no, f*ck you, i will not buy your crap" and that lol after "deep friendship" speaks volumes about mentality of "fans" like him.
What I think is that "huge red flag" means there is a "huge red flag". Posters here are more than welcome to express both skepticism and hype, but I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable trying to guess what wright1978 means other than what is expressed at face value. Nor do I think it's particularly helpful to cast judgments on the 'mentality' of others.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 18, 2018 23:07:37 GMT
The fact that they aren't offering anything to say how it's new is rather telling. Doesn't sound 'telling' to me at all, it's the start of an 8 month pre-launch marketing plan. The only thing 'telling' at this stage are the preconceptions and biases we all bring to the discussion before the marketing has rolled out. Umm, didn't this whole "pre-launch campaign" start A YEAR AGO when they first announced it?
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 19, 2018 6:30:09 GMT
Umm, didn't this whole "pre-launch campaign" start A YEAR AGO when they first announced it? Depends on where you measure. BioWare usually gets teaser trailers out way ahead of release. They've said squat since last E3. The 'full-on' campaign usually lasts 6-8 months.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 19, 2018 9:57:27 GMT
I don't think I've seen anyone wanting to boycott the game for that reason, do you have a source or is that hyperbole? I've seen a few disappointed people saying it kills their interest, but the follow-up news from BioWare suggests to me that the game will still contain meaningful relationships. "Deep friendships lol. More like they want to woo people who think murdering people in games is fab but characters expressing feelings is icky. The lack of romances is a pretty huge red flag for me when it comes to rpgs as it’s a fundamental human element which you’d want in rpg character building."
This is one of the first respond on this post. And it has dozens of likes. I dont know about you but term "huge red flag" is basically saying "hell no, f*ck you, i will not buy your crap" and that lol after "deep friendship" speaks volumes about mentality of "fans" like him.
I think the best relationships in any of the Bioware games were the friendships you experience with Wrex and a nonromanced Garrus. If Anthem can create some companions that come anywhere close to those I'll be very satisfied.
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Post by Steelcan on Jun 19, 2018 12:44:48 GMT
Is that a rhetorical question? People who say or said they will boycott Bioware because they will not able to bang some dude or dudette in a mech suit are not rational, hypocritical or stupid even.
There will be characters, there will be choice, there will be dialogue, that is so much more than any other game in this genre can offer. So i do NOT understand thought processes of these so called "fans" its ok to be uneasy/cautious for we have not witness any of this aspect in Anthem yet, but boycott cuZ no romance? Ludicrous. I don't think I've seen anyone wanting to boycott the game for that reason, do you have a source or is that hyperbole? I've seen a few disappointed people saying it kills their interest, but the follow-up news from BioWare suggests to me that the game will still contain meaningful relationships.Once again, no game advertises itself on interacting with NPCs to get fetch quests and sell loot
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 19, 2018 15:30:10 GMT
You start the post with 'complain' and end with 'ungrateful' and 'whiners'. Are those the same people to you? Is that a rhetorical question? People who say or said they will boycott Bioware because they will not able to bang some dude or dudette in a mech suit are not rational, hypocritical or stupid even.
There will be characters, there will be choice, there will be dialogue, that is so much more than any other game in this genre can offer. So i do NOT understand thought processes of these so called "fans" its ok to be uneasy/cautious for we have not witness any of this aspect in Anthem yet, but boycott cuZ no romance? Ludicrous.
If there was any reason anyone here or anywhere else voiced their intent to boycott this game, it would have been because of the multiplayer aspect itself. That it's been compared endlessly to Destiny only made that worse.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 19, 2018 16:02:06 GMT
Is that a rhetorical question? People who say or said they will boycott Bioware because they will not able to bang some dude or dudette in a mech suit are not rational, hypocritical or stupid even.
There will be characters, there will be choice, there will be dialogue, that is so much more than any other game in this genre can offer. So i do NOT understand thought processes of these so called "fans" its ok to be uneasy/cautious for we have not witness any of this aspect in Anthem yet, but boycott cuZ no romance? Ludicrous.
If there was any reason anyone here or anywhere else voiced their intent to boycott this game, it would have been because of the multiplayer aspect itself. That it's been compared endlessly to Destiny only made that worse. Yes. Hyperbole. I'm not buying the game. But currently I'm just not interested in that type of game.
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Post by deus on Jun 19, 2018 16:39:54 GMT
This game should have never had romance and they shouldn't even consider it. Not every game has to have romance.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 19, 2018 22:34:00 GMT
This game should have never had romance and they shouldn't even consider it. Not every game has to have romance. Right, I wouldn't expect Bioware, or any game company, to follow the exact same formula forever.
The company doesn't have to only cater to one type of audience, and fan's aren't obligated to like or buy every game a company puts out.
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Post by deus on Jun 20, 2018 14:29:39 GMT
This game should have never had romance and they shouldn't even consider it. Not every game has to have romance. Right, I wouldn't expect Bioware, or any game company, to follow the exact same formula forever.
The company doesn't have to only cater to one type of audience, and fan's aren't obligated to like or buy every game a company puts out.
I wish more people would understand this. I say if you want romance that badly play a dating sim.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 23, 2018 13:55:32 GMT
Right, I wouldn't expect Bioware, or any game company, to follow the exact same formula forever.
The company doesn't have to only cater to one type of audience, and fan's aren't obligated to like or buy every game a company puts out.
I wish more people would understand this. I say if you want romance that badly play a dating sim. I agree. Every single game should only have one gameplay mechanic.
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