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Post by Sanunes on Jun 23, 2018 14:31:02 GMT
Right, I wouldn't expect Bioware, or any game company, to follow the exact same formula forever.
The company doesn't have to only cater to one type of audience, and fan's aren't obligated to like or buy every game a company puts out.
I wish more people would understand this. I say if you want romance that badly play a dating sim. I agree, but I think its also people looking for a reason to complain at the same time. BioWare attracts a lot of attention like that, but they aren't alone.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 23, 2018 14:39:18 GMT
"Deep friendships lol. More like they want to woo people who think murdering people in games is fab but characters expressing feelings is icky. The lack of romances is a pretty huge red flag for me when it comes to rpgs as it’s a fundamental human element which you’d want in rpg character building."
This is one of the first respond on this post. And it has dozens of likes. I dont know about you but term "huge red flag" is basically saying "hell no, f*ck you, i will not buy your crap" and that lol after "deep friendship" speaks volumes about mentality of "fans" like him.
I think the best relationships in any of the Bioware games were the friendships you experience with Wrex and a nonromanced Garrus. If Anthem can create some companions that come anywhere close to those I'll be very satisfied. I would also add Drack to that list for I think he had a stronger start then any other companion, but lacks the time to develop the friendship of those two because they grew over multiple games. That is what I am looking for in the relationships, for to me the romantic relationships felt like the meme of "press x to salute" for romantic relationships. Garrus probably has some of the better dialogue of all characters in the original games for I really liked the conversation where you talk about talking convincing Mordin to not use the cure and tricking the Krogan.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 23, 2018 15:27:15 GMT
I wish more people would understand this. I say if you want romance that badly play a dating sim. I agree, but I think its also people looking for a reason to complain at the same time. BioWare attracts a lot of attention like that, but they aren't alone. People like complaining, especially on the internet. Can't please everyone, nor should one try. Not everyone likes the same things. Not everyone has to.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 23, 2018 15:32:08 GMT
That is what I am looking for in the relationships, for to me the romantic relationships felt like the meme of "press x to salute" for romantic relationships. They were very formulaic. DAO was give gifts, ME was talk to people until the final mission then boom relationship. DAI might have done it best, so maybe they are improving in that regard. In any case, yeah the friendships with various crew over the course of the trilogy felt more organic and better paced.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 24, 2018 10:01:11 GMT
I think the best relationships in any of the Bioware games were the friendships you experience with Wrex and a nonromanced Garrus. If Anthem can create some companions that come anywhere close to those I'll be very satisfied. I would also add Drack to that list for I think he had a stronger start then any other companion, but lacks the time to develop the friendship of those two because they grew over multiple games. That is what I am looking for in the relationships, for to me the romantic relationships felt like the meme of "press x to salute" for romantic relationships. Garrus probably has some of the better dialogue of all characters in the original games for I really liked the conversation where you talk about talking convincing Mordin to not use the cure and tricking the Krogan. Yep, I agree. I would have laughed at the notion that they could create a Krogan more awesome than Wrex but they managed (imo). I also liked the friendship arcs of Cassandra and Dorian in DAI. Hell maybe they're just better at writing the friendships because the romances have become obligatory...and end up feeling contrived.
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Post by PillarBiter on Jun 25, 2018 8:24:01 GMT
I would also add Drack to that list for I think he had a stronger start then any other companion, but lacks the time to develop the friendship of those two because they grew over multiple games. That is what I am looking for in the relationships, for to me the romantic relationships felt like the meme of "press x to salute" for romantic relationships. Garrus probably has some of the better dialogue of all characters in the original games for I really liked the conversation where you talk about talking convincing Mordin to not use the cure and tricking the Krogan. Yep, I agree. I would have laughed at the notion that they could create a Krogan more awesome than Wrex but they managed (imo). I also liked the friendship arcs of Cassandra and Dorian in DAI. Hell maybe they're just better at writing the friendships because the romances have become obligatory...and end up feeling contrived. I could see this as true. I mean, writing a friendship can be based on mutual interests or agreeing/disagreeing with the character's perspective, which is deep.
Romances were all about selecting the heart option until you witnessed sex. They always felt pushed and cotnrived. Never natural (except maybe Talizorah).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 8:26:42 GMT
I have zero interest in buying anthem... just like I had zero interest in buying ME:A..
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Post by PillarBiter on Jun 25, 2018 9:31:23 GMT
I have zero interest in buying anthem... just like I had zero interest in buying ME:A.. So only RPG's then? Dragon age?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 9:32:40 GMT
I have zero interest in buying anthem... just like I had zero interest in buying ME:A.. Then why post this here in this specific completely unrelated thread?
Serious question, not even meant to troll or anything.
One of the questions was "Are you interested in buying Anthem" remember.
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Post by PillarBiter on Jun 25, 2018 9:34:05 GMT
Then why post this here in this specific completely unrelated thread?
Serious question, not even meant to troll or anything.
One of the questions was "Are you interested in buying Anthem" remember. Yes I thought I was in an other thread I edited my post, sorry!
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Post by The_Smiling_Bandit on Jun 26, 2018 2:14:06 GMT
OK, there is something people have been saying about romance in games since at least the days of DA:I’s prerelease that I wish to dispute. Romance is NOT an intrinsic part of being human. Certainly love is an intrinsic part of being human, but (and I know that the modern English language doesn’t convey this effectively) love takes many forms, and being romantic is not the only way to love someone.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 26, 2018 6:45:32 GMT
The only reason I ever even heard of BioWare is because I was actively looking for games where I could play as a gay man, and express my sexuality through some method or other. It's the major draw of their products, as far as I'm concerned. Everything else they offer, I can find elsewhere, although not necessarily all in one game.
I was already turned off of Anthem by its multiplayer focus, and I never intended to purchase it, but they could change my mind if they can demonstrate that the game still contains meaningful representation and/or options for expressing my sexuality in a way that the narrative will recognise and react to.
Does that mean romance subplots? Not necessarily, but I must admit I'm hard pressed to think of any other way.
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Post by jeyl on Jul 26, 2018 3:31:10 GMT
BioWare can make Anthem be whatever it wants it to be. Romnace or no romance.
I on the other hand will not be getting Anthem because I like romance in games. After playing through all the core Dragon Age games where I basically created a trilogy that featured all of it's leading characters as women loving lesbians, well gosh. I was spoiled rotten. It's not like an MMO can't have romance in it. The Old Republic seems to be doing well in that regard.
And I recognize that not everyone likes romancing the characters, but at least BioWare made their games with romance an 'option'. There are no options with Anthem.
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Post by correctamundo on Aug 1, 2018 10:15:35 GMT
Yep, I agree. I would have laughed at the notion that they could create a Krogan more awesome than Wrex but they managed (imo). I also liked the friendship arcs of Cassandra and Dorian in DAI. Hell maybe they're just better at writing the friendships because the romances have become obligatory...and end up feeling contrived. I could see this as true. I mean, writing a friendship can be based on mutual interests or agreeing/disagreeing with the character's perspective, which is deep.
Romances were all about selecting the heart option until you witnessed sex. They always felt pushed and cotnrived. Never natural (except maybe Talizorah).
Well, they are only pushed and contrived if players choose not to roleplay them. I have zero interest in buying anthem... just like I had zero interest in buying ME:A.. So only RPG's then? Dragon age?
MEA and Anthem are both RPGs though. BioWare can make Anthem be whatever it wants it to be. Romnace or no romance. I on the other hand will not be getting Anthem because I like romance in games. After playing through all the core Dragon Age games where I basically created a trilogy that featured all of it's leading characters as women loving lesbians, well gosh. I was spoiled rotten. It's not like an MMO can't have romance in it. The Old Republic seems to be doing well in that regard. And I recognize that not everyone likes romancing the characters, but at least BioWare made their games with romance an 'option'. There are no options with Anthem. Am I safe to assume you will be "boycotting" Anthem because of lack of romance then?
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Post by PillarBiter on Aug 1, 2018 11:41:23 GMT
I could see this as true. I mean, writing a friendship can be based on mutual interests or agreeing/disagreeing with the character's perspective, which is deep.
Romances were all about selecting the heart option until you witnessed sex. They always felt pushed and cotnrived. Never natural (except maybe Talizorah).
Well, they are only pushed and contrived if players choose not to roleplay them. So only RPG's then? Dragon age?
MEA and Anthem are both RPGs though. BioWare can make Anthem be whatever it wants it to be. Romnace or no romance. I on the other hand will not be getting Anthem because I like romance in games. After playing through all the core Dragon Age games where I basically created a trilogy that featured all of it's leading characters as women loving lesbians, well gosh. I was spoiled rotten. It's not like an MMO can't have romance in it. The Old Republic seems to be doing well in that regard. And I recognize that not everyone likes romancing the characters, but at least BioWare made their games with romance an 'option'. There are no options with Anthem. Am I safe to assume you will be "boycotting" Anthem because of lack of romance then? Naw, there was a hidden romance with Kelly, which I actually found the most natural of all. She seemed interested in me, not just my awesome bod, but how I was doing as well, how I felt about everything. THAT was real. I didn't even HAVE to roleplay to feel her concern. Most others just blabbed about their own problems, and rewarded me with hot alien shmex if I solved it.
That's what made the Garrus friendship so great, your bond just filled up with situations you were in together. No ulterior motives, just buddying.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 1, 2018 16:46:55 GMT
Well, they are only pushed and contrived if players choose not to roleplay them. MEA and Anthem are both RPGs though. Am I safe to assume you will be "boycotting" Anthem because of lack of romance then? Naw, there was a hidden romance with Kelly, which I actually found the most natural of all. She seemed interested in me, not just my awesome bod, but how I was doing as well, how I felt about everything. THAT was real. I didn't even HAVE to roleplay to feel her concern. Most others just blabbed about their own problems, and rewarded me with hot alien shmex if I solved it.
That's what made the Garrus friendship so great, your bond just filled up with situations you were in together. No ulterior motives, just buddying.
Yay, another Kelly Chambers romance fan! Favorite romance in the Shepard Trilogy.
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Post by correctamundo on Aug 1, 2018 22:52:59 GMT
1: No it wasn't. Whether you liked it or not doesn't matter. Your opinion on the matter is actually irrelevant. MEA is a GAME in which you assume control of a character and PLAY the ROLE of pathfinder. 2: Anthem according to Origin: Genre Action, Äventyr, RPG, Skjutspel, or Anthem™ invites you to experience a co-operative Action-RPG set in a new and mysterious world from BioWare™ and EA. Or let's see what Bioware has to say. "EVERYTHING ABOUT ANTHEM SO FAR We’re wrapping up the latest and greatest from BioWare’s upcoming Action RPG." Imagine that. RPG seems to be a recurring theme.
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Post by melbella on Aug 2, 2018 1:19:19 GMT
Well, they are only pushed and contrived if players choose not to roleplay them. MEA and Anthem are both RPGs though. Am I safe to assume you will be "boycotting" Anthem because of lack of romance then? Naw, there was a hidden romance with Kelly, which I actually found the most natural of all. She seemed interested in me, not just my awesome bod, but how I was doing as well, how I felt about everything. THAT was real. I didn't even HAVE to roleplay to feel her concern. Most others just blabbed about their own problems, and rewarded me with hot alien shmex if I solved it.
That's what made the Garrus friendship so great, your bond just filled up with situations you were in together. No ulterior motives, just buddying.
You know she was just milking you for info to report to TIM, right? She said as much in ME3.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 2, 2018 1:23:32 GMT
Naw, there was a hidden romance with Kelly, which I actually found the most natural of all. She seemed interested in me, not just my awesome bod, but how I was doing as well, how I felt about everything. THAT was real. I didn't even HAVE to roleplay to feel her concern. Most others just blabbed about their own problems, and rewarded me with hot alien shmex if I solved it.
That's what made the Garrus friendship so great, your bond just filled up with situations you were in together. No ulterior motives, just buddying.
You know she was just milking you for info to report to TIM, right? She said as much in ME3.
She never says that she was just milking us. She says that she reported her observations to him in good faith. Huge difference. If that is "just milking us for information", then every character on our crew was "just milking you for information".
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Post by melbella on Aug 2, 2018 1:46:10 GMT
You know she was just milking you for info to report to TIM, right? She said as much in ME3.
She never says that she was just milking us. She says that she reported her observations to him in good faith. Huge difference. If that is "just milking us for information", then every character on our crew was "just milking you for information".
In Miranda's case, sure, since she also reports directly to TIM, and the subject of Shepard is probably a hot topic. Kelly's reveal in ME3 is one reason a lot of my Shepards no longer talk much to her in ME2. Which sucks for my fish, but at least my personal life stays personal (except for the damn EDI spybot and SB cameras everywhere ).
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 2, 2018 1:49:23 GMT
She never says that she was just milking us. She says that she reported her observations to him in good faith. Huge difference. If that is "just milking us for information", then every character on our crew was "just milking you for information".
In Miranda's case, sure, since she also reports directly to TIM, and the subject of Shepard is probably a hot topic. Kelly's reveal in ME3 is one reason a lot of my Shepards no longer talk much to her in ME2. Which sucks for my fish, but at least my personal life stays personal (except for the damn EDI spybot and SB cameras everywhere ).
You do realize everybody spied on you right? Garrus reporting his observations to the Turians, Tali to the Quarians, etc. But sure, hate the person who actually feels bad and apologizes for it.
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Post by melbella on Aug 2, 2018 1:54:26 GMT
Uh, the quarians and turians didn't plant Tali and Garrus on my ship for the sole purpose of spying on me. There's a difference.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 2, 2018 2:00:09 GMT
Uh, the quarians and turians didn't plant Tali and Garrus on my ship for the sole purpose of spying on me. There's a difference. Where does it say that that was Kelly's only role? I'll save you some time, it never says that while it does say the opposite so you are pulling that out of thin air.
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Post by melbella on Aug 2, 2018 2:04:55 GMT
Uh, the quarians and turians didn't plant Tali and Garrus on my ship for the sole purpose of spying on me. There's a difference. Where does it say that that was Kelly's only role? I'll save you some time, it never says that while it does say the opposite so you are pulling that out of thin air.
I say it is, because all she does all game long is tell me I have new messages, usually when I don't. Her purpose on the ship was to spy on Shepard and report back to TIM. That is my opinion and her confession in ME3 supports that. How she fulfilled that purpose was up to her.
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