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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jan 5, 2019 19:49:14 GMT
I agree that the threadtitle is a bit strange and misleading (at least for my actual intention) but i wonder why are these three "sometimes" mentioned by some as possible DA 4 companions or even as romance options?
Ser Barris i could unterstand but in most world states he is unfortunately dead.
But Samson and especially Cullen storylines are done. Cullen had his chance as DAI companion but Bioware decided aganist it. Like Barris Cullen can also die if he continue to take the Lyrium. Also he is already a popular romance option in DAI.
So why should still be a DA 4 Companion?
Samson? In most of my world states he rots in his prision cell for the rest of his life. Even though i have sympathy for him in DA 2 but in DAI he is more a monster than a likeable figure.
I really don´t want him as companion or romance.
So yeah i would prefer if we had a complete new character as our DA 4 Templar companion.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 5, 2019 19:52:58 GMT
Most of the time, it is the same reason you want Calpernia as a companion and romance: they like the characters.
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 5, 2019 19:59:38 GMT
I agree that the threadtitle is a bit strange and misleading (at least for my actual intention) but i wonder why are these three "sometimes" mentioned by some as possible DA 4 companions or even as romance options?
Ser Barris i could unterstand but in most world states he is unfortunately dead.
But Samson and especially Cullen storylines are done. Cullen had his chance as DAI companion but Bioware decided aganist it. Like Barris Cullen can also die if he continue to take the Lyrium. Also he is already a popular romance option in DAI.
So why should still be a DA 4 Companion?
Samson? In most of my world states he rots in his prision cell for the rest of his life. Even though i have sympathy for him in DA 2 but in DAI he is more a monster than a likeable figure.
I really don´t want him as companion or romance.
So yeah i would prefer if we had a complete new character as our DA 4 Templar companion.
I’d just like to see a templar hunter! They exist, we’ve fought them, they’re pretty formidable opponents, but they haven’t gotten into the party yet. Hell, even the templar in Redemption was a warrior, and that whole story was based around scouting, tracking, and sneaking around. Not only do I think a templar hunter (or magekiller) would be cool flavor, but I really want to see how playable templar abilities map onto a rogue. Can they dispel magic at long range, via their bow? Do they have some of the tallis-style abilities like sloughing off AoE effects? Does their stealth have cool interactions with magic?
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jan 5, 2019 20:05:04 GMT
Most of the time, it is the same reason you want Calpernia as a companion and romance: they like the characters. I already had assumed that i´ll likely get some response like this from you. But Calpernia makes a lot more sense than all three together.
She is always alive and free in every possible player world state.
I’d just like to see a templar hunter! They exist, we’ve fought them, they’re pretty formidable opponents, but they haven’t gotten into the party yet. This would be something new as companion. All major Templar characters are Warriors so why not have a "rogue" templar? But only if there is still room for Lace Harding and a Fog Warrior as rogue companions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 20:59:06 GMT
Barris would make a great companion and I still think Rylen and Whittle would be fun characters to work with. I'm not a Samson fan though and I really think it would be a missed opportunity to shelve Cullen. His story has a lot of potential.
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 5, 2019 21:15:12 GMT
Most of the time, it is the same reason you want Calpernia as a companion and romance: they like the characters. I already had assumed that i´ll likely get some response like this from you. But Calpernia makes a lot more sense than all three together.
She is always alive and free in every possible player world state.
I’d just like to see a templar hunter! They exist, we’ve fought them, they’re pretty formidable opponents, but they haven’t gotten into the party yet. This would be something new as companion. All major Templar characters are Warriors so why not have a "rogue" templar? But only if there is still room for Lace Harding and a Fog Warrior as rogue companions. If the combat is similar to Inquisition, the optimal party will be 3 rogues and a mage, so an overabundance of rogues shouldn’t be a problem. It seems like a lot of people struggled with DA:I combat due to how divisive Sera and Cole were. If they’re on your team — particularly if the Inquisitor is also an assassin or tempest — the fights just zip right by. So it’s probably a good idea to have lots of rogues to choose from. Plus, having multiple options for a 4-rogue party opens up more fun pacifist playstyles.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 5, 2019 21:26:13 GMT
I mean..... 'cause people like them lol? Same reason people suggested Cassandra and Cullen for DAI.
I agree that these three characters are unlikely and honestly I see no reason to have a Templar companion at all. It's like saying we've got to have a Grey Warden, or we've got to have a Circle mage. For a warrior I'd rather see someone with the Magekiller spec/background (Marius??), Gladiator, or Fog Warrior than Templar.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jan 5, 2019 21:27:36 GMT
So yeah i would prefer if we had a complete new character as our DA 4 Templar companion. Do the Templars definitely still exist after Inquisition? When I played it they mostly turned into monsters and Leliana ended up as Divine- there was no mention of them at all in the epilogue.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 5, 2019 21:31:16 GMT
So yeah i would prefer if we had a complete new character as our DA 4 Templar companion. Do the Templars definitely still exist after Inquisition? When I played it they mostly turned into monsters and Leliana ended up as Divine- there was no mention of them at all in the epilogue. There are still Templars that exist, yes. For example the ones who followed the Inquisition when it was formed like Rylen, Lysette, Belinda Darrow, etc.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jan 5, 2019 21:32:41 GMT
Barris would make a great companion and I still think Rylen and Whittle would be fun characters to work with. Sorry do you really mean Whittle? Not someone else? Really this guy?
I mean..... 'cause people like them lol? Same reason people suggested Cassandra and Cullen for DAI. The difference between now and then was that these two have made sense for DAI. Cullen storyline is done. And Fans got him as romance. So why should he consider as companion by oneself if he doesn´t fit for DA 4? I really would love if we could have Varric for a third time as companion but with a rational view this wouldn´t be a good idea. Varric like Cullen and Samson had his time and his moments in the series.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 22:00:40 GMT
I agree that the threadtitle is a bit strange and misleading (at least for my actual intention) but i wonder why are these three "sometimes" mentioned by some as possible DA 4 companions or even as romance options?
Ser Barris i could unterstand but in most world states he is unfortunately dead.
But Samson and especially Cullen storylines are done. Cullen had his chance as DAI companion but Bioware decided aganist it. Like Barris Cullen can also die if he continue to take the Lyrium. Also he is already a popular romance option in DAI.
So why should still be a DA 4 Companion?
Samson? In most of my world states he rots in his prision cell for the rest of his life. Even though i have sympathy for him in DA 2 but in DAI he is more a monster than a likeable figure.
I really don´t want him as companion or romance.
So yeah i would prefer if we had a complete new character as our DA 4 Templar companion.
I think Mike Laidlaw said he regretted what they did with Barris in an interview later. It seems like they didn't think about how popular Cullen got in the short amount of time he was onscreen. If they want to bring back a templar though, my vote is for Belinda Darrow from the multiplayer. She's sweet as pie, has a Starkhaven accent, and has already worked with Maevaris in Tevinter.
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Post by copper on Jan 5, 2019 22:27:01 GMT
From a story perspective I don't see why any of these characters would come back. On the other hand, I was surprised when Cullen kept popping up in each game after Origins, so maybe I'll be surprised again. I don't really think we need another templar companion though. There's plenty of warrior types that we haven't seen yet, so I'd prefer we get new companions to reflect that.
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Post by grallon on Jan 5, 2019 22:33:18 GMT
The only leftovers from DAI I wish to see again in "DA: Revolution" (my personal head canon title for DA4) are Harding and/or Charter (though I'm not sure if she can be trusted considering Solas' appeal) as one of of the Shadow Inquisition officers, along with cameos from Leliana, Cassandra or Vivienne as the White Divine. Blackwall also, if we end up having a side story in the Anderfells. And the Inquisitor of course, in a distant supporting role akin to that of the Illusive Man in Mass Effect).
I'll go even further. I'd like to see both him/her and Leliana (if she didn't end up as Divine), in their roles as leaders of the Shadow Inquisition, to have decided, at some point during the time slip between both games, to be made Tranquil, in order to escape Solas's constant searching for him/her/them & their plans through the Fade. The hunter must remain invisible until such time when the prey can no longer escape. And since we now know tranquility can be reversed, this seems like a sound strategy.
As for the love interests, I would very much like to have a young dude (in voice acting), who's gay or bi - so my male main can romance and bag him, but otherwise, and so long as we can customize the appearance of the companions (those unknown, not the already established ones), like we could with Hawke in DAI (which is my personal no. 1 wish-list item), then I don't really care.
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Post by Artemis on Jan 5, 2019 22:38:46 GMT
Cullen had his day in the sun and he's done.
I don't get the Samson love. Just... ah. No.
Barris is a super sweet young guy who's also super easy on the eyes. Hey, no reason we couldn't learn that he was brought back to life a la Leliana xD I woudn't mind Barris as a companion, but I wouldn't bother actively campaigning for it, either. He's just a cutie. (Plus a nice prominent black character, and those are few and far between.)
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Post by Artemis on Jan 5, 2019 22:42:37 GMT
I mean..... 'cause people like them lol? Same reason people suggested Cassandra and Cullen for DAI. I agree that these three characters are unlikely and honestly I see no reason to have a Templar companion at all. It's like saying we've got to have a Grey Warden, or we've got to have a Circle mage. For a warrior I'd rather see someone with the Magekiller spec/background (Marius??), Gladiator, or Fog Warrior than Templar. I like all of these *_* Our three warriors companions, right there!
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Post by Artemis on Jan 5, 2019 22:43:41 GMT
The only leftovers from DAI I wish to see again in "DA: Revolution" (my personal head canon title for DA4) are Harding and/or Charter (though I'm not sure if she can be trusted considering Solas' appeal) as one of of the Shadow Inquisition officers, along with cameos from Leliana, Cassandra or Vivienne as the White Divine. Blackwall also, if we end up having a side story in the Anderfells. And the Inquisitor of course, in a distant supporting role akin to that of the Illusive Man in Mass Effect). I'll go even further. I'd like to see both him/her and Leliana (if she didn't end up as Divine), in their roles as leaders of the Shadow Inquisition, to have decided, at some point during the time slip between both games, to be made Tranquil, in order to escape Solas's constant searching for him/her/them & their plans through the Fade. The hunter must remain invisible until such time when the prey can no longer escape. And since we now know tranquility can be reversed, this seems like a sound strategy. As for the love interests, I would very much like to have a young dude (in voice acting), who's gay or bi - so my male main can romance and bag him, but otherwise, and so long as we can customize the appearance of the companions (those unknown, not the already established ones), like we could with Hawke in DAI (which is my personal no. 1 wish-list item), then I don't really care. What about inquisitors who chose to disband the inquisition? I'll never understand the Harding love, but Charter was cool.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 5, 2019 22:59:33 GMT
The only leftovers from DAI I wish to see again in "DA: Revolution" (my personal head canon title for DA4) are Harding and/or Charter (though I'm not sure if she can be trusted considering Solas' appeal) as one of of the Shadow Inquisition officers, along with cameos from Leliana, Cassandra or Vivienne as the White Divine. Blackwall also, if we end up having a side story in the Anderfells. And the Inquisitor of course, in a distant supporting role akin to that of the Illusive Man in Mass Effect). I'll go even further. I'd like to see both him/her and Leliana (if she didn't end up as Divine), in their roles as leaders of the Shadow Inquisition, to have decided, at some point during the time slip between both games, to be made Tranquil, in order to escape Solas's constant searching for him/her/them & their plans through the Fade. The hunter must remain invisible until such time when the prey can no longer escape. And since we now know tranquility can be reversed, this seems like a sound strategy. As for the love interests, I would very much like to have a young dude (in voice acting), who's gay or bi - so my male main can romance and bag him, but otherwise, and so long as we can customize the appearance of the companions (those unknown, not the already established ones), like we could with Hawke in DAI (which is my personal no. 1 wish-list item), then I don't really care. What about inquisitors who chose to disband the inquisition? I'll never understand the Harding love, but Charter was cool. As we see at the end of Trespasser and in the comics, there is always a shadow Inquisition operating.
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Post by grallon on Jan 5, 2019 23:21:42 GMT
What about inquisitors who chose to disband the inquisition? I'll never understand the Harding love, but Charter was cool.
Regardless of Harding as a teaser/aborted love interest in DAI, she was also an extremely efficient & imaginative operative who, by the end of Trespasser, had risen high enough in the organization to be invited to 'sit in' on the council of what would become the so called 'shadow inquisition'. Charter on the other hand is an elf, and therefore should be suspect by default, even though Leliana trusted her.
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 5, 2019 23:31:21 GMT
What about inquisitors who chose to disband the inquisition? I'll never understand the Harding love, but Charter was cool.
Regardless of Harding as a teaser/aborted love interest in DAI, she was also an extremely efficient & imaginative operative who, by the end of Trespasser, had risen high enough in the organization to be invited to 'sit in' on the council of what would become the so called 'shadow inquisition'. Charter on the other hand is an elf, and therefore should be suspect by default, even though Leliana trusted her.
Heheh, every time someone (including me) says something like that last sentence, I read it in a thick Orlesian accent.
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Post by Jarovbees on Jan 5, 2019 23:51:34 GMT
As much as I like Cullen (and I romanced him plenty of times), I 100% do not want him to return as a companion. He had a good run, and in at least one of my world states is happily married to the Inquisitor so that seems a good point to drop into the background. He's been through a lot, let the poor man be.
Samson is probably dead by now, and I never got the appeal of him anyway.
Barris, though....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 0:35:07 GMT
Barris would make a great companion and I still think Rylen and Whittle would be fun characters to work with. Sorry do you really mean Whittle? Not someone else? Really this guy?
YES! THAT guy. He kinda made me think of Podrik from Game of Thrones and it would be fun to up his stud cred the way Tyrion and Bronn upped Pod's. I just think it would be hilarious to see him swooned over because he's been established as a skilled lover.
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Post by Artemis on Jan 6, 2019 0:37:47 GMT
What about inquisitors who chose to disband the inquisition? I'll never understand the Harding love, but Charter was cool.
Regardless of Harding as a teaser/aborted love interest in DAI, she was also an extremely efficient & imaginative operative who, by the end of Trespasser, had risen high enough in the organization to be invited to 'sit in' on the council of what would become the so called 'shadow inquisition'. Charter on the other hand is an elf, and therefore should be suspect by default, even though Leliana trusted her.
Um... I still don't understand the Harding love? None of that really explains it... I'm assuming people like her for her looks and maybe her voice... she doesn't have much personality. Not her fault; she isn't given much room for one. She basically just shows up at the beginning of every map and is just like, "Hey, Inquisitor... here's some info... bye" lmao
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 0:49:32 GMT
Regardless of Harding as a teaser/aborted love interest in DAI, she was also an extremely efficient & imaginative operative who, by the end of Trespasser, had risen high enough in the organization to be invited to 'sit in' on the council of what would become the so called 'shadow inquisition'. Charter on the other hand is an elf, and therefore should be suspect by default, even though Leliana trusted her.
Um... I still don't understand the Harding love? None of that really explains it... I'm assuming people like her for her looks and maybe her voice... she doesn't have much personality. Not her fault; she isn't given much room for one. She basically just shows up at the beginning of every map and is just like, "Hey, Inquisitor... here's some info... bye" lmao Harding was adorable and she's a workable character. Kinda like Dagna. I liked that she had the guts and ferocity to scout unopened areas. There wasn't enough done with Charter for me to have gained any interest in her character.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 6, 2019 0:50:18 GMT
Um... I still don't understand the Harding love? None of that really explains it... I'm assuming people like her for her looks and maybe her voice... she doesn't have much personality. Not her fault; she isn't given much room for one. She basically just shows up at the beginning of every map and is just like, "Hey, Inquisitor... here's some info... bye" lmao Harding was adorable and she's a workable character. Kinda like Dagna. I liked that she had the guts and ferocity to scout unopened areas. There wasn't enough done with Charter for me to have gained any interest in her character. Probably for the best, since Charter is already in a relationship with Tessa so most likely won't be an option.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 1:40:59 GMT
Yeah, I feel like Cullen's arc has been completed. He had a three game arc with lots of character growth. And his final epilogue options feel like the "final" ones (although we know that those aren't necessarily set in stone). He's either still leading the Inquisition military forces, helping reform lyrium addicted templars, or dead from lyrium addiction. I feel like his major arc is done.
I would greatly prefer if they allow characters who could be dead to stay dead. No more magic lyrium ghosts. That was dumb. Granted, very few people actually killed Leliana in DA:O (you had to take her with you to the Temple of Sacred Ashes and defile the ashes, so it's a pretty small % likely). But they definitely shouldn't have resurrected her. And I would also very much like to not see Samson or Barris resurrected either.
That being said, Barris had a TON of potential and I'm definitely bummed that he is possibly dead so that it decreases the likelihood that he'll show up in the future.
I do really like the idea of a templar rogue/mage hunter type character. It would let us see an Imperial Templar, give us a chance to see (and play as) a rogue templar build, and would explore the mage hunter profession that is really unknown to almost all of the audience since it's really only seen in the comics.
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