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Post by sgtreed24 on Jan 12, 2019 18:51:30 GMT
You can also make amazing looking characters in ME:A! That was really funny though. I like the look of my current character in ME:A Minus the hair because the style is constantly being changed due to the fact that I don't really like many of them. Though the CC is still very limited if you're wanting to make a lighter skinned character and leads to a lot of my characters looking very similar =/
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 12, 2019 18:53:16 GMT
Why would any Bioware fan want to play Anthem in the first place? I adored Mass Effect 3 multiplayer, this will so scratch that itch.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 12, 2019 18:54:33 GMT
Why would any Bioware fan want to play Anthem in the first place? It's a game designed to make people addicted. It soon will be a daily chore. Endless grind, redoing the same missions over and over. The only skill you need is being able to sink a lot of time in it. Someday you'll wake up and realise you've become a drone to EA, but then you're so invested in it (time and money) you can't stop playing because it's the only thing in your life that gives you purpose. It's basically crack dealing. And this is a change for Bioware how? As if I wasn't already addicted to the Bioware time sinks: m!Shep and f!Shep full runs (well, skipped ME1 for f!Shep, once was enough), all DLCs. Two full runs of DAO, all DLCs, both with grinding for dragon armor. Seven runs of DAI (all but 2 full), all DLCs, some with grinding for schematics and mats. One run of MEA grinding for blueprints and mats. Daily chore? Check. Endless grind, redoing the same missions over and over (well, chasing after the same beasties that only drop the rare mat one out of twenty kills, if you are lucky)? Check. Time sink skill? Check. Only thing in your life that gives you purpose? NO COMMENT.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 12, 2019 19:17:28 GMT
Why would any Bioware fan want to play Anthem in the first place? It's a game designed to make people addicted. It soon will be a daily chore. Endless grind, redoing the same missions over and over. The only skill you need is being able to sink a lot of time in it. Someday you'll wake up and realise you've become a drone to EA, but then you're so invested in it (time and money) you can't stop playing because it's the only thing in your life that gives you purpose. It's basically crack dealing. And this is a change for Bioware how? As if I wasn't already addicted to the Bioware time sinks: m!Shep and f!Shep full runs (well, skipped ME1 for f!Shep, once was enough), all DLCs. Two full runs of DAO, all DLCs, both with grinding for dragon armor. Seven runs of DAI (all but 2 full), all DLCs, some with grinding for schematics and mats. One run of MEA grinding for blueprints and mats. Daily chore? Check. Endless grind, redoing the same missions over and over (well, chasing after the same beasties that only drop the rare mat one out of twenty kills, if you are lucky)? Check. Time sink skill? Check. Only thing in your life that gives you purpose? NO COMMENT. To counterpoint: In ME1, the time sink was driving around in the Mako. Often you would find nothing, or some useless collectible. Occasionally, you would find a side-quest; a couple of them incredibly interesting and a fantastic diversion. Why did I sink that time? Because it was fun. There was no linked achievement, there was no OP weapon to obtain, there were no goddamned elfroots. ME1 is best ME. Only the gunplay and melee improved.
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Post by NotN7 on Jan 12, 2019 21:11:46 GMT
Why would any Bioware fan want to play Anthem in the first place? It's a game designed to make people addicted. It soon will be a daily chore. Endless grind, redoing the same missions over and over. The only skill you need is being able to sink a lot of time in it. Someday you'll wake up and realise you've become a drone to EA, but then you're so invested in it (time and money) you can't stop playing because it's the only thing in your life that gives you purpose. It's basically crack dealing. Well if you were to think about it, it fills a void (YES I am a fanboy take that for what you will) while waiting for DA4 MEA2 have a nice day
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 12, 2019 21:43:39 GMT
Why would any Bioware fan want to play Anthem in the first place? It's a game designed to make people addicted. It soon will be a daily chore. Endless grind, redoing the same missions over and over. The only skill you need is being able to sink a lot of time in it. Someday you'll wake up and realise you've become a drone to EA, but then you're so invested in it (time and money) you can't stop playing because it's the only thing in your life that gives you purpose. It's basically crack dealing. Well if you were to think about it, it fills a void (YES I am a fanboy take that for what you will) while waiting for DA4 MEA2 have a nice day I am unashamedly Bioware fanboy!
It does fill a void for some of us who are wanting a little Bioware in their gaming life and want to try their next game. In my case I feel like they have earned an instant buy from me, in fact the weird thing is I was hesitant to commit to Anthem at first and it had less to do with Anthem and more to do with my feelings about how Bio just sort of ran away from Andromeda.
Why would I want to play Anthem? Simple, I want to experience their take on the looter shooter genre and I want to support my favorite developers.
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Post by NotN7 on Jan 12, 2019 21:45:51 GMT
Well if you were to think about it, it fills a void (YES I am a fanboy take that for what you will) while waiting for DA4 MEA2 have a nice day I am unashamedly Bioware fanboy!
It does fill a void for some of us who are wanting a little Bioware in their gaming life and want to try their next game. In my case I feel like they have earned an instant buy from me, in fact the weird thing is I was hesitant to commit to Anthem at first and it had less to do with Anthem and more to do with my feelings about how Bio just sort of ran away from Andromeda.
Why would I want to play Anthem? Simple, I want to experience their take on the looter shooter genre and I want to support my favorite developers.
So true
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Post by samhain444 on Jan 12, 2019 22:47:37 GMT
Methinks you doth protest too much All you "no pre-ordering" fools are picking up "Anthem" day 1...but keep putting up a front, it's amusing. Methinks you don't know what you're talking about. Earliest I buy Anthem is two weeks after launch, when I have sifted the tea leaves here. If I buy it. Never bought MEA sonny. Sure :-)
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 12, 2019 23:41:24 GMT
Methinks you don't know what you're talking about. Earliest I buy Anthem is two weeks after launch, when I have sifted the tea leaves here. If I buy it. Never bought MEA sonny. Sure :-) Oh. So it's trolling then? Do you have that active an imagination that you think I'm lying? Have you read any of my posts, ever? Or am I on full-blown ignore and you just cherry pick? Your crystal ball is broken.
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 13, 2019 0:18:03 GMT
I still remember the adventures of ugly Shep (it was called something that, I don't know if that is the exact title) ... If you are talking about this guy, this was a mod if I'm correct. The other one was did in the character creator sure, but ME OT still didn't have the amount of memes as Andromeda. Why? Because there wasn't really facial animation issues with the trilogy. Shepard face was never tired lol. Have some ugly Shepard:
No facial animation issues with the trilogy?
Definitely Andromeda had some terrible mouth animations and awful makeup on NPCs, but the trilogy wasn't perfect either.
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Post by Beerfish on Jan 13, 2019 0:27:37 GMT
Love the list.
Over the years though (not looking at this list), people who hate bioware games the most always buy them or steal them. The reason? You can't blast the game with any cred without playing it.
The classic case of this is the RPG codex where the same people over and over and over again blast the poop out of game sand then lament, "I knew i should not have bought this!" after bleating about how awful the game was going to be for the two years before release.
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 13, 2019 0:33:17 GMT
This is not a criticism … more of a different perspective on your point. Smoother combat … ala Mass Effect … is a good thing … BioWare is using lessons from their other games to make new games. Your concerns over Anthem replacing BioWare's RPGs … is not a trivial concern … but I think Anthem is designed for a different audience than ME or DA. The audience may be a Venn diagram of sorts, where folks who played ME and DA … mostly for SP, also enjoyed the heck out of ME3MP and liked MEAMP as well … and might be interested in Anthem. They are combined with folks who mostly play shooters and have never really been interested in RPGs, but who might find the enhanced story elements (compared to most shooters) both interesting and refreshing. I see Anthem as a modernized version of some of their earlier forays into MP (predating ME3), where story and MP were both a significant thing. That's always been a tough thing to do well and BioWare thinks they might have cracked that nut with Anthem. Time will tell. But I don't think that makes ME or DA less likely. Both ME and DA may become live services, but might well remain self-contained SP games, with a MP element added on. I didn't play DAIMP, but I played the heck out of ME3MP and MEAMP. It didn't detract from my SP runs through those games. I doubt Anthem will replace my desire for more ME and DA. If anything, for me, Anthem will be a bridge to hold me over until the next DA … and ultimately ME … which is where my (two sizes too small) heart really lies. If I could like this more than once, I would.
As you said, BioWare is trying to make a game that straddles the divide between SP RPG players and shooter players. Whether or not they are successful, time will tell.
I'm still slightly wary of Anthem due to the lack of information on the "my story" part, but I'm most likely going to buy unless the demo really turns me off (which I am not expecting). I am tempering my expectations on the RPG aspect.
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Post by NotN7 on Jan 13, 2019 1:26:50 GMT
This is not a criticism … more of a different perspective on your point. Smoother combat … ala Mass Effect … is a good thing … BioWare is using lessons from their other games to make new games. Your concerns over Anthem replacing BioWare's RPGs … is not a trivial concern … but I think Anthem is designed for a different audience than ME or DA. The audience may be a Venn diagram of sorts, where folks who played ME and DA … mostly for SP, also enjoyed the heck out of ME3MP and liked MEAMP as well … and might be interested in Anthem. They are combined with folks who mostly play shooters and have never really been interested in RPGs, but who might find the enhanced story elements (compared to most shooters) both interesting and refreshing. I see Anthem as a modernized version of some of their earlier forays into MP (predating ME3), where story and MP were both a significant thing. That's always been a tough thing to do well and BioWare thinks they might have cracked that nut with Anthem. Time will tell. But I don't think that makes ME or DA less likely. Both ME and DA may become live services, but might well remain self-contained SP games, with a MP element added on. I didn't play DAIMP, but I played the heck out of ME3MP and MEAMP. It didn't detract from my SP runs through those games. I doubt Anthem will replace my desire for more ME and DA. If anything, for me, Anthem will be a bridge to hold me over until the next DA … and ultimately ME … which is where my (two sizes too small) heart really lies. If I could like this more than once, I would.
As you said, BioWare is trying to make a game that straddles the divide between SP RPG players and shooter players. Whether or not they are successful, time will tell.
I'm still slightly wary of Anthem due to the lack of information on the "my story" part, but I'm most likely going to buy unless the demo really turns me off (which I am not expecting). I am tempering my expectations on the RPG aspect.
Agree I pre ordered and pending on the demo I will make up my mind course there are other matters such as connectivity (live in the sticks) but as I have mentioned in other threads i'll go for it so I have something to do while waiting for DA4/MEA2/ME5 as for the RPG aspect to me that depends on your imagination any game can be a RPG as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jan 13, 2019 9:18:26 GMT
Love the list. Over the years though (not looking at this list), people who hate bioware games the most always buy them or steal them. The reason? You can't blast the game with any cred without playing it. I will confess that I played MEA despite my horror with the PR material EXACTLY so I could back up my disgust with actual on-hands experience with this train wreck. It took me 70 hours to finish. It wasn't all bad, mind you. But it wasn't really better than I feared. As somebody who actually played the game I am, yes, entitled to dislike it. I never said I wasn't going to buy another Bioware game or Anthem. Simply because Edmonton wasn't responsible for it. I just decided to not see Montreal as the "real" Bioware and MEA as a mistake to be buried in the yard and never be talked about again. Currently I have little interest in Anthem because it looks boring to me. I may pick it up for 20 bucks eventually if reviews are good. And I kind of want to know what Bioware does with a genre I don't care about. After all I was very surprised to find myself having a blast with ME3MP. So this could happen again. In theory, though doubtful for several reasons. I don't hate Bioware. I just don't cae for their current direction with Anthem and I'm disappointed DA has been cast aside. I'm not bitter. Lots of other cool games out there. Just disappointed and not very optimistic about Bioware's future. Same goes for Bethesda. As long as the competition picks it up, there is no reason for gloom. Life goes on with or without Bioware!
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 13, 2019 14:55:02 GMT
I'm not bitter. Lots of other cool games out there. Just disappointed and not very optimistic about Bioware's future. Same goes for Bethesda. As long as the competition picks it up, there is no reason for gloom. Life goes on with or without Bioware! What's the competition for Bioware style RPG's? I'm genuinely curious. I'd love to have some more of these types of games to play but quite frankly when I want a Bioware style RPG I seem to have to boot up a Bioware game.
I have a lot of RPG's from plenty of different developers but none of them do party based rpg's even remotely the same as Bioware.
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 13, 2019 14:59:17 GMT
I'm not bitter. Lots of other cool games out there. Just disappointed and not very optimistic about Bioware's future. Same goes for Bethesda. As long as the competition picks it up, there is no reason for gloom. Life goes on with or without Bioware! What's the competition for Bioware style RPG's? I'm genuinely curious. I'd love to have some more of these types of games to play but quite frankly when I want a Bioware style RPG I seem to have to boot up a Bioware game.
I have a lot of RPG's from plenty of different developers but none of them do party based rpg's even remotely the same as Bioware.
Coming up in 2019? The Outer Worlds from Obsidian looks promising. Wasteland 3 might be good? Beyond 2019, Cyberpunk 2077 is looming on the horizon.
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 13, 2019 15:19:27 GMT
The Outer Worlds looks awesome but that is aiming at Bethesda's crown.
Wasteland 3, if they even just improve slightly from 2, will pretty cool as well. Again though, they don't do the party based adventure the same.
Cyberpunk is very much anticipated but it's pretty much a different subgenre.
Bioware takes the time and effort to do the inter-personal stories of your character/companions/gameworld in a way I feel nobody else does. This is precisely why I asked my question above. Even Pillars of Eternity, while amazing, doesn't put much focus on your party.
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 13, 2019 15:24:20 GMT
The Outer Worlds looks awesome but that is aiming at Bethesda's crown. Wasteland 3, if they even just improve slightly from 2, will pretty cool as well. Again though, they don't do the party based adventure the same. Cyberpunk is very much anticipated but it's pretty much a different subgenre. Bioware takes the time and effort to do the inter-personal stories of your character/companions/gameworld in a way I feel nobody else does. This is precisely why I asked my question above. Even Pillars of Eternity, while amazing, doesn't put much focus on your party. Well, it's pretty obvious that your only criterion for a BioWare-style party-focused RPG is that it's made by BioWare.
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 13, 2019 15:50:17 GMT
The Outer Worlds looks awesome but that is aiming at Bethesda's crown. Wasteland 3, if they even just improve slightly from 2, will pretty cool as well. Again though, they don't do the party based adventure the same. Cyberpunk is very much anticipated but it's pretty much a different subgenre. Bioware takes the time and effort to do the inter-personal stories of your character/companions/gameworld in a way I feel nobody else does. This is precisely why I asked my question above. Even Pillars of Eternity, while amazing, doesn't put much focus on your party. Well, it's pretty obvious that your only criterion for a BioWare-style party-focused RPG is that it's made by BioWare.
I guess kind of, but only because I haven't played a game from a 'competitor' yet that gets this stuff done at the same quality level.
Criterion is in depth party mechanics that include not only gameplay/combat mechanics but social interaction and story relevance. Party members should also have interaction with each other both at base/camp/hub or in the world/gamespace (the banter is always a major fan favorite).
I would prefer full 3D game design. I still have plenty of top down isometric games installed on my pc ... bg, bg2, icewind dale, pillars 1, all them shadowrun games, planescape torment, fallout 1 and 2, and they are amazing, classics even, better in some ways, but I just prefer the more modern full 3D game design.
I have played RPG's back before they existed in any real decent form on computers but I have never been a purist or against the evolution of the genre.
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Post by Psychevore on Jan 13, 2019 15:58:22 GMT
People have been claiming never to buy a Bioware game again since... whatever game followed BG2. Yet, here we are, on an unofficial Bioware forum, talking about a game that almost seems a shooter.
How about that?
I've never claimed such a thing myself though.
Anyway, nice thread. I hope there's some deliciously nerdy Excel spreadsheet on your HDD somewhere.
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Post by Psychevore on Jan 13, 2019 16:03:05 GMT
The Outer Worlds looks awesome but that is aiming at Bethesda's crown. Wasteland 3, if they even just improve slightly from 2, will pretty cool as well. Again though, they don't do the party based adventure the same. Cyberpunk is very much anticipated but it's pretty much a different subgenre. Bioware takes the time and effort to do the inter-personal stories of your character/companions/gameworld in a way I feel nobody else does. This is precisely why I asked my question above. Even Pillars of Eternity, while amazing, doesn't put much focus on your party. PoE is weird, for me. Cause I love the whole inter-personal story thing in Bioware games, but PoE gives me the option to create companions from scratch. Turns out, I don't use the in game companions when a game gives me that option. Never knew.
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 13, 2019 16:06:04 GMT
I do like the Icewind Dale vibes that option gives. Create your entire adventuring party and write little backstories for them that probably only the player will read.
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Post by NotN7 on Jan 13, 2019 16:45:19 GMT
The Outer Worlds looks awesome but that is aiming at Bethesda's crown. Wasteland 3, if they even just improve slightly from 2, will pretty cool as well. Again though, they don't do the party based adventure the same. Cyberpunk is very much anticipated but it's pretty much a different subgenre. Bioware takes the time and effort to do the inter-personal stories of your character/companions/gameworld in a way I feel nobody else does. This is precisely why I asked my question above. Even Pillars of Eternity, while amazing, doesn't put much focus on your party. love the wasteland series looking forward to WL 3
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Finished Dissertation long ago lol. Now happily employed :D
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by biggydx on Jan 13, 2019 18:05:59 GMT
JRandall0308 My "Fuck em" sentiment still stands, and I'm a little upset my entry doesn't reflect that. "The Fiend crash has broken not only several games, but several hearts as well"
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