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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jan 10, 2019 23:15:00 GMT
There were multiple issues with Destiny 2, including manipulating XP and making previously available content for money. The game sold poorly so Activision's solution was more monetization lol.
Bungie is independant but NetEase has a stake. Would be cool if they joined BioWare and made the next ME.
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Post by rras1994 on Jan 10, 2019 23:17:39 GMT
There were multiple issues with Destiny 2, including manipulating XP and making previously available content for money. The game sold poorly so Activision's solution was more monetization lol. Bungie is independant but NetEase has a stake. Would be cool if they joined BioWare and made the next ME. Destiny 2 sold more than Destiny1.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jan 11, 2019 0:02:07 GMT
There were multiple issues with Destiny 2, including manipulating XP and making previously available content for money. The game sold poorly so Activision's solution was more monetization lol. Bungie is independant but NetEase has a stake. Would be cool if they joined BioWare and made the next ME. The game was the 2nd best seller of 2017 and broke D1s own records. It didn't sell poorly, nor did it underachieve to Activisions expectations. It's monetization is also no different than how D1 did them so I'm not seeing it. I also would worry if they worked with Bioware, like a lot of worrying. This isn't Halo bungie, this is the arrogant "throw money at the screen" bungie.
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 11, 2019 1:32:13 GMT
I think this is also what I would like to see.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 11, 2019 2:28:32 GMT
Honesty, I don't think it will have any impact on Anthem. It will probably be at least the next major DLC so almost a year before we see if there are changes with Bungie for it takes time to make content and frankly I doubt it would be until the next game where there is really any content. Not to mention Bungie now owes a Chinese company NetEase $100 million from an investment they made in 2018 in Bungie. So all we know Bungie is going to be similar situation to what they were doing before just in a different frying pan.
Personally I think Destiny 2 is a tarnished brand and not everyone will even know that Bungie isn't part of Activision anymore, it will take a new game that will get a fresh look. Its similar to how I feel about Mass Effect: Andromeda that one release has set expectation so something new is required to show the new direction to people that got frustrated.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 11, 2019 2:30:33 GMT
I think this is also what I would like to see.
If they were to do that I think they would need to release a new game with the framework for that to happen as a core design. I don't think it would make a good game to introduce something like that after a product is delivered.
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Post by 10k on Jan 11, 2019 2:43:27 GMT
All I can say is that Bungie was smart to keep the rights to their games and remained its own entity throughout the partnership. This is something I wish BW would have done. I'm happy for bungie, I hope they can now develop Destiny in the way they want without Activision breathing down their necks.
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Post by 10k on Jan 11, 2019 2:45:33 GMT
There were multiple issues with Destiny 2, including manipulating XP and making previously available content for money. The game sold poorly so Activision's solution was more monetization lol. Bungie is independant but NetEase has a stake. Would be cool if they joined BioWare and made the next ME.Joining BW would mean joining EA. Bungie has just gained their freedom, they'd be nuts to turn around and jump into another cage.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jan 11, 2019 3:05:09 GMT
There were multiple issues with Destiny 2, including manipulating XP and making previously available content for money. The game sold poorly so Activision's solution was more monetization lol. Bungie is independant but NetEase has a stake. Would be cool if they joined BioWare and made the next ME.Joining BW would mean joining EA. Bungie has just gained their freedom, they'd be nuts to turn around and jump into another cage. Working on a game doesn't mean you have to sell yourself out to a company though. Bungie going to Activision for example isn't the same as Bioware did to EA. Bioware was in financial crisis and risked shutdown prior to selling out to EA. Bungie however had money, they simply needed a marketing partner who could help market their new IP in destiny when it came out and Activision is probably the best marketing group out there. It was nothing but an agreement over one IP and nothing else, bungie themselves were independent the entire time. Furthermore if Activision owned bungie then this contract separation wouldn't be happening right now.
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Post by Obadiah on Jan 11, 2019 3:49:20 GMT
I'm just hoping this isn't one of those situations where a creative prima donna is unable to face the financial realities of sustained development - i.e. you have to sell s/w to make money to sustain development staff. Destiny 1 and 2 have their issues, but I'm glad both were released and I got to play them (think I own some version of Destiny 1 on almost every platform).
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Post by biggydx on Jan 11, 2019 5:41:09 GMT
Everything that was set in stone (and publicized) by Bungie, in terms of upcoming content, will still be on track since they had it negotiated on with Activision. The ramifications of this split probably wont become apparent until Destiny 3 launches, and Bungie gives players a glimpse of what post-release content looks like.
Additionally, there are a number of avenues Bungie can take at this point:
- They can choose to delay Destiny 3's release date an extra year or two (or whenever really) - They can choose to remove Tess Eververse (the microtransaction store basically) from the game - They can decide the cadence at which they'll release new updates and major content drops - They can choose how long they wish to support Destiny 2, as well as Destiny 3, with additional content
From a consumer standpoint, generally it's in our (speaking of gamers overall) best interest. However, given that they won't have the significant financial backing of Activision, as well supporting studios: Vicarious Visions and High Moon Studios, this will likely reduce the frequency of major content drops for the franchise. While this could lead to more content droughts, it could also bring forth more polished content with greater depth.
Ultimately its a wait and see from here on out till Destiny 3 arrives. Hopefully, Bungie takes the right steps. Not many AAA developers (barely any I imagine) have the opportunity to become independent. It also doesn't mean Bungie still can't screw things up with the Destiny franchise either.
As for BioWare and Anthem, it won't make a dent on Anthem since the ramifications won't be felt until the start of the new decade. Personally, I feel this serves as a motivator for the people working at BioWare more than anything; in terms of wanting to become independent. I'm sure there are plenty of people there who are fed up with certain practices that they have to keep up with (ex. constantly using Frostbite, always adding online content, always adding MTX's, etc). That said, I don't think it'll be anywhere as easy for BioWare to become independent since:
1: EA owns the rights to Mass Effect, which means they [BioWare] would either have to get lucky and sign a deal for EA to hand them back rights to the franchise, or they have to outright pay to retrieve it
2: BioWare doesn't have their own engine (at least not a modern one), so they'd have to pay more for a 3rd party engine (like Unreal)
3: They don't bring in as much money as the Destiny franchise does, nor do their games sell copies at the same frequency.
4 (and this is purely speculation): It's possible that BioWare would have to shed some of their workers, since BioWare Austin is responsible for maintaining SWTOR. I doubt EA would be willing to front the money and manpower (on their own) to maintain the game, so they're likely going to want BioWare to take a blow on that one.
If BioWare were lucky enough to go independent, they'd probably try to have Microsoft help in publishing their games. Casey Hudson has already done time with them, and BioWare have already had multiple titles published by Microsoft (ex. Mass Effect 1 & Jade Empire).
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 11, 2019 6:09:19 GMT
All I can say is that Bungie was smart to keep the rights to their games and remained its own entity throughout the partnership. This is something I wish BW would have done. I'm happy for bungie, I hope they can now develop Destiny in the way they want without Activision breathing down their necks. The way EA acquired BioWare it wasn't possible. EA did a hostile takeover by buying BioWare and Pandemic from the venture capital lender that gave them the money to try and make their own publishing setup, for they just bought the shares of BioWare and Pandemic put up as collateral for twice of what they loaned BioWare and Pandemic.
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 11, 2019 6:13:46 GMT
I wonder if Bioware would even really want to go independent at this point? If Anthem is a smash hit I can see things getting pretty good for Bioware.
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Post by PillarBiter on Jan 11, 2019 7:42:16 GMT
Bungie doing what it did will affect Anthem far less than any shouty McShoutMouth would like us to believe.
Anthem is BioWare's responsibility. No person of sound mind and reason will hold on buying Anthem if they were going to before, simply because they now believe Destiny will become great again.
Also, I want to point out something that I have not yet seen before, and this applies to anthem as well:
Now that Bungie has left activision, Bungie no longer has a scapegoat to hide behind. What I mean is, now everything that is "wrong" is blamed on activision direction. But what if... even after they leave, they still have microtransactions? Or they still develop sucky DLC? It's no longer activision that's in the crosshairs, it's bungie now. Leaving a publisher holds risks from a backlash-safety point-of-view. Same could be said if BioWare would leave EA, and microtransactions remain. People would go like: "what? you were the money-grubbing b-tards all along?"
Not sayign this is gonna happen, just saying it's a possibility. And that people don't need to expect microtransactions to dissapear from D2 now.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 11, 2019 8:56:39 GMT
Dint Bungie allegedly say that "content was too hard"? I guess that will happen, then.
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 11, 2019 10:45:06 GMT
I don't think microtransactions are going away any time soon for a lot of games, even single player ones.
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Post by giubba on Jan 11, 2019 11:14:01 GMT
You know the more I think about it the more I think destiny fan should be preoccupied that Activision voluntary left a franchise that they sink literally hundreds of millions of dollars in. Imho it speaks volumes about the state of destiny 2 numbers and the faith about the abilities of bungle current management
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jan 11, 2019 12:01:12 GMT
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Post by giubba on Jan 11, 2019 12:15:35 GMT
Nice article
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 11, 2019 12:35:23 GMT
Frankly I’m not sure why people are celebrating.
Bungie couldn’t keep up with it’s own content schedules when they had the help of two Activision studios and a lot of their problems can be laid at the feet of the studio’s own mismanagement. Honestly I think there’s a likely scenario here where Bungie crumbles while trying to provide Destiny 2 with content.
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Post by spacev3gan on Jan 11, 2019 13:04:20 GMT
Firstly, Happy Independence Day for my fellow guardians out there.
Now one thing that needs to be said is the fact that Bungie managed to keep Destiny for itself after this break-up with Activision is a huge victory. Often the publisher keeps the rights over the IP, not the developer (the way Bungie lost Halo to Microsoft, for instance). It is important to acknowledge how big of a win this is for gamers.
In the long-run, Destiny can become a more gamer-oriented product, in the likes of Witcher and Warframe, and not a investors-oriented product, like it has been so far, together with Call of Duty, Battlefield, Fallout, Assassin's Creed and, truth be told, Mass Effect, Dragon Age and most likely Anthem. Bungie's employees were cheering this break-up with Activion, with drinks and all. They are hopeful for what future of Destiny can become, and as am I.
Besides, Destiny did not fail commercially by any stretch of the imagination. It made a decent amount of money, just not enough money for Activion's investors. Just like Battlefront II did, though never enough for EA's investors.
As for Anthem, if it is to fail, I doubt a split between Bioware and EA would happen, let alone one in which Bioware would keep it's existing IPs to itself. I would imagine a part of Bioware would be scrapped (like the Montreal studio was), and the rest would be put to work on another franchise, one that has huge financial potential. Unfortunately that is how EA operated. If Bioware could split from EA and keep their IPs with them and work independently, oh boy, there would be fireworks. Imagine a new Dragon Age or a new Mass Effect game without EA whatsover behind it? A few days ago that could never be imagined. Today, even though that independence from EA would be extremely unlikely for Bioware, we can at least envision it. Bungie achieved that independence today.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 11, 2019 13:16:25 GMT
Firstly, Happy Independence Day for my fellow guardians out there. Now one thing that needs to be said is the fact that Bungie managed to keep Destiny for itself after this break-up with Activision is a huge victory. Often the publisher keeps the rights over the IP, not the developer (the way Bungie lost Halo to Microsoft, for instance). It is important to acknowledge how big of a win this is for gamers. In the long-run, Destiny can become a more gamer-oriented product, in the likes of Witcher and Warframe, and not a investors-oriented product, like it has been so far, together with Call of Duty, Battlefield, Fallout, Assassin's Creed and, truth be told, Mass Effect, Dragon Age and most likely Anthem. Bungie's employees were cheering this break-up with Activion, with drinks and all. They are hopeful for what future of Destiny can become, and as am I. Besides, Destiny did not fail commercially by any stretch of the imagination. It made a decent amount of money, just not enough money for Activion's investors. Just like Battlefront II did, though never enough for EA's investors. As for Anthem, if it is to fail, I doubt a split between Bioware and EA would happen, let alone one in which Bioware would keep it's existing IPs to itself. I would imagine a part of Bioware would be scrapped (like the Montreal studio was), and the rest would be put to work on another franchise, one that has huge financial potential. Unfortunately that is how EA operated. If Bioware could split from EA and keep their IPs with them and work independently, oh boy, there would be fireworks. Imagine a new Dragon Age or a new Mass Effect game without EA whatsover behind it? A few days ago that could never be imagined. Today, even though that independence from EA would be extremely unlikely for Bioware, we can at least envision it. Bungie achieved that independence today. EA OWNS Bioware. They got all the shares. They make the call. It's theirs. Bioware won't be "liberated". Or "break free". It's not even "extremely unlikely" - it's completely out of question, because EA won't throw it's investment away just like that. They get broken up or sold. Best you can expect for "indepence" is key staff leaving and founding their own thing. If they can work around the non-compete clauses somehow.
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Post by giubba on Jan 11, 2019 13:34:34 GMT
Frankly I’m not sure why people are celebrating. Bungie couldn’t keep up with it’s own content schedules when they had the help of two Activision studios and a lot of their problems can be laid at the feet of the studio’s own mismanagement. Honestly I think there’s a likely scenario here where Bungie crumbles while trying to provide Destiny 2 with content. Or more likely while they try to deliver the next game
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Post by OdanUrr on Jan 11, 2019 14:24:46 GMT
Like others have said, this will have no impact on Anthem, especially since the nature of the relationship between EA-BioWare is different than that of Activision-Bungie. As for whether EA will jump ship on Anthem if it fails to live up to their expectations, that's practically a given considering it has been their preferred strategy in past titles (e.g.: Mass Effect: Andromeda). Having said that, it's possible Anthem will have more leeway, as it is, at this time, EA's only Destiny-like contender. Frankly, I'm more interested in what this means for Blizzard, but it's possible the recent changes there have been a direct result of this development.
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Post by malgus on Jan 11, 2019 17:31:36 GMT
Yeah I've read it now. If they weren't a completely bunch of fools they should have been able to negotiate the delivery of those contents. Also I'm pleased that the amount of Imbecilles that praise the end of the reign of the "evil" overlord Activision is quite low and mostly ignored Eh, I've been on ResetEra were that kind of talk is very high. Cus "EVILLLLL PUBLISHER!!!". They also keep asking when Blizzard or BioWare are going to leave next which is just ridiculous, for one Bungie was never owned by Activision and apparently Activision were just as happy as Bungie to part ways. Which really makes you wonder what was going on. It's the same people claiming that bioware could just leave EA if they want, or told them to leave multiple times. There is Two possibilities with these people, either they are unaware of the situation (not knowing that EA OWNS bioware and this is not a partnership) or they are delusional. Because they want BW out of EA so much that they think BW can leave in any ways, tons of them rejecting reality and substitutes their own. And this is far from being a new phenomenon, I have been on jim sterling videos and there is a comments telling bioware to sever ties EA, now the problem is not the existence of the comments but the thousand likes it has. It's the same thing I have seen on a battlefield 5 video where a guy says " of course no german campaign" with approximately 600 likes, even if there was an announced german campaign months ago. Tons of people do not inform themselves on situation before making a comments. It's not the first time it's going to happen and won't be the last.
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