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Post by maximusarael020 on Jan 29, 2019 21:01:37 GMT
Micro transactions don't bother me one bit. I work hard for good money, this is just another options for me to spend it frivolously, I've spent money on Warframe to buy plat to buy prime warframes and guns off trade chat. I've also spent money before on loot boxes on mass effect three multiplayer. Way I see it is it's an option. If you don't want to spend the money or you can't afford it then don't buy it, it's that simple. How anyone else spends their money and what they buy doesn't affect you in the slightest. Just my two cents. Agreed. And with the fact that they are all purely cosmetic mtx's, and can all be earned using in-game currency as well, there really isn't a whole lot to complain about at this point. This isn't "pay-to-win". There are no weapons or components or abilities tied to mtx's, just cool-looking armor and vinyls. And they can all also be earned. I don't get why this would make the game "grindier" or impact progression. Progression is level of weapons, level of pilot, etc. None of those are tied to mtx.
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 29, 2019 21:34:02 GMT
Bottom line is, if they don't release hard pricing info prior to launch it will be a serious fuck you to the players. Why before launch? Let’s say Marvel/Disney want to do a promo for a movie coming out in the summer — say an Iron Man skin. EA and Disney do a deal to offer it in Anthem in June, but Disney requires a $20 cut, even though the max established at launch of Anthem was $10 for a skin, with the majority being half that price. You think EA should turn down the deal because of some artificial limit set earlier? Even if market testing shows it would sell like hot cakes? Setting any kind of price ceiling would be dumb. Not when the Nike Lebron X sold for $350. There is no upper bound on stupid people and their money. A time table would also be dumb, because co-marketing deals can come at any time That said, the majority of stuff will find natural price points. Pray for high volume, if you want prices to be low on average. Obviously I'm talking about what is going to be in the store at launch, plus the pricing info about the premium currency (which would probably not change aside from sale windows). Right now the conversation has been thus: Us: Hey Anthem looks fun but what about MTX? Them: Oh MTX is for cosmetics only. Us: Ok cool, can you tell us about the pricing so we know what we're getting into before we pay the $60 to play the game? Them: media.giphy.com/media/5ftsmLIqktHQA/giphy.gif
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 29, 2019 21:40:51 GMT
Did Bioware announce the price of shards, and I just missed it? They did not, the speculation machine is running at full pelt. The speculation on the screenshot is at least a good guess, and at best probably correct. Pricing might not stay but 2000 Shards is more than likely 20USD.
Does this not seem logical to people or am I missing something?
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 29, 2019 21:53:37 GMT
People complained really loud about AC:Odyssey but that game seems to be doing just fine. Loads of things to buy for real cash, plenty is NOT purely cosmetic and I am sure the cash shop is making money. The devs keep pumping out new questlines, new mythical creatures, new legendary ships, and new legendary mercenaries to hunt down outiside of the paid DLC stuff(for everyone). They also keep adding new armor and weapons and ship designs to the shop to purchase.
You can also 'try' and grind for all that stuff with in game Orichalcum (in game currency) but it seems hard to truly amass a set that you really want this way. But you don't need any of the stuff ... you can get all kinds of awesome gear without ever looking at the store page or visiting the merchant.
I only have one Legendary item equipped on my max level character by choice and it's a Legendary I found playing the game. The rest of my stuff is all Epic loot found in game with my engravings setup the way I like them.
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Post by river82 on Jan 29, 2019 21:57:55 GMT
Sofa is incorrect here, it isn't speculation. It was a leak, that was addressed by Bioware on Reddit by saying "prices are changing all the time, so the prices shown in the screenshot may not be the prices when the game is launched".
But at some point in time those prices were correct.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 29, 2019 22:05:30 GMT
Bottom line is, if they don't release hard pricing info prior to launch it will be a serious fuck you to the players. Why before launch? Let’s say Marvel/Disney want to do a promo for a movie coming out in the summer — say an Iron Man skin. EA and Disney do a deal to offer it in Anthem in June, but Disney requires a $20 cut, even though the max established at launch of Anthem was $10 for a skin, with the majority being half that price. You think EA should turn down the deal because of some artificial limit set earlier? Even if market testing shows it would sell like hot cakes? Setting any kind of price ceiling would be dumb. Not when the Nike Lebron X sold for $350. There is no upper bound on stupid people and their money. A time table would also be dumb, because co-marketing deals can come at any time That said, the majority of stuff will find natural price points. Pray for high volume, if you want prices to be low on average. Because it's good practice to let the customer know what they get for their money.
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Post by river82 on Jan 29, 2019 22:07:17 GMT
The reply from Bioware's Chris Schmidt on Reddit: Hey there! One thing to keep in mind is these don't represent final, stamped for all of eternity pricing. We are iterating on our economy design and balance almost daily, so you're seeing a snapshot of one iteration. This is why we tend to not discuss things like pricing, because it's one of those iterative things that's sure to change frequently right up until the day you play the game.www.reddit.com/r/AnthemTheGame/comments/ajg581/image_featured_store_items_cost/eeveueh/Therefore he said the screenshot was in fact a snapshot of "one iteration". This is confirmation the leak is accurate. Specualtion is hypothesising WITHOUT evidence, we have evidence here, therefore what is being done isn't speculation. Case closed.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 29, 2019 22:15:37 GMT
And the shard exchange rate is shown where?
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Post by samhain444 on Jan 29, 2019 22:19:57 GMT
The reply from Bioware's Chris Schmidt on Reddit: Hey there! One thing to keep in mind is these don't represent final, stamped for all of eternity pricing. We are iterating on our economy design and balance almost daily, so you're seeing a snapshot of one iteration. This is why we tend to not discuss things like pricing, because it's one of those iterative things that's sure to change frequently right up until the day you play the game.www.reddit.com/r/AnthemTheGame/comments/ajg581/image_featured_store_items_cost/eeveueh/Therefore he said the screenshot was in fact a snapshot of "one iteration". This is confirmation the leak is accurate. Specualtion is hypothesising WITHOUT evidence, we have evidence here, therefore what is being done isn't speculation. Case closed. Well, it's confirmation of in-game microtransactions...which we knew. Is this the final price that is being leaked? Or are we just "speculating"?
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 29, 2019 22:21:14 GMT
The reply from Bioware's Chris Schmidt on Reddit: Hey there! One thing to keep in mind is these don't represent final, stamped for all of eternity pricing. We are iterating on our economy design and balance almost daily, so you're seeing a snapshot of one iteration. This is why we tend to not discuss things like pricing, because it's one of those iterative things that's sure to change frequently right up until the day you play the game.www.reddit.com/r/AnthemTheGame/comments/ajg581/image_featured_store_items_cost/eeveueh/Therefore he said the screenshot was in fact a snapshot of "one iteration". This is confirmation the leak is accurate. Specualtion is hypothesising WITHOUT evidence, we have evidence here, therefore what is being done isn't speculation. Case closed. The snapshot confirmed as an actual leak, and nobody has questioned that The exchange rate for between actual real world money and paid currency is purely speculative though, and without that the screenshot means nothing. Unless I’m wrong and the exchange rate was leaked?
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 29, 2019 22:22:24 GMT
Sofa is incorrect here, it isn't speculation. It was a leak, that was addressed by Bioware on Reddit by saying "prices are changing all the time, so the prices shown in the screenshot may not be the prices when the game is launched". But at some point in time those prices were correct. Can we really talk about 'correct prices' when the game is not released/work-in-progress? That's like saying that voice synthesizer used for cutscenes prior to proper VO is a 'correct' voice for a character... I wouldn't call a placeholder/iterative content 'correct'... well, unless somebody really, REALLY wants to find an issue here to harp about. I mean, nevermind that regardless how 'correct' these prices are compared to the product after release, all the 'this skin will cost 20 bucks' is indeed 100% speculation. We don't know the cost of shards relative to real money, just like we don't know how long it would take people to collect in-game currency to buy things from the store without spending money on shards.
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Post by river82 on Jan 29, 2019 22:24:38 GMT
The reply from Bioware's Chris Schmidt on Reddit: Hey there! One thing to keep in mind is these don't represent final, stamped for all of eternity pricing. We are iterating on our economy design and balance almost daily, so you're seeing a snapshot of one iteration. This is why we tend to not discuss things like pricing, because it's one of those iterative things that's sure to change frequently right up until the day you play the game.www.reddit.com/r/AnthemTheGame/comments/ajg581/image_featured_store_items_cost/eeveueh/Therefore he said the screenshot was in fact a snapshot of "one iteration". This is confirmation the leak is accurate. Specualtion is hypothesising WITHOUT evidence, we have evidence here, therefore what is being done isn't speculation. Case closed. Well, it's confirmation of in-game microtransactions...which we knew. Is this the final price that is being leaked? Or are we just "speculating"? We know it's 2,000 shards for an armour pack at that time. People can use that, and the other shard numbers, and which numbers are easily divisible as a basis to form their own opinions on what the shard to dollar rate is, going on the presumption that multiplayer games always likes nice round numbers. But that's beside the point, we have evidence in front of us and people can draw conclusions based on that.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 29, 2019 22:25:14 GMT
Unless I’m wrong and the exchange rate was leaked? The strongest I've found is ' the price was leaked but we have no source'.Many are also going with: 1 cent per shard and assuming that as fact. I have no reason to believe that leaks can't be unsourced and legitimate but I'm seeing conflicting accounts. Additionally, the game sells internationally, why lock the shard conversion so obviously to the US Dollar?
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Post by river82 on Jan 29, 2019 22:26:11 GMT
Sofa is incorrect here, it isn't speculation. It was a leak, that was addressed by Bioware on Reddit by saying "prices are changing all the time, so the prices shown in the screenshot may not be the prices when the game is launched". But at some point in time those prices were correct. Can we really talk about 'correct prices' when the game is not released/work-in-progress? That's like saying that voice synthesizer used for cutscenes prior to proper VO is a 'correct' voice for a character... I wouldn't call a placeholder/iterative content 'correct'... well, unless somebody really, REALLY wants to find an issue here to harp about. I mean, nevermind that regardless how 'correct' these prices are compared to the product after release, all the 'this skin will cost 20 bucks' is indeed 100% speculation. We don't know the cost of shards relative to real money, just like we don't know how long it would take people to collect in-game currency to buy things from the store without spending money on shards. This is moving the goal posts. Nobody's saying the prices are "correct", what is being argued is whether people musing about them is speculation. Speculation is hypothesising without any semblence of evidence, we have evidence, therefore it isn't speculation. That doesn't mean it's correct.
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Post by samhain444 on Jan 29, 2019 22:31:52 GMT
Well, it's confirmation of in-game microtransactions...which we knew. Is this the final price that is being leaked? Or are we just "speculating"? We know it's 2,000 shards for an armour pack at that time. People can use that, and the other shard numbers, and which numbers are easily divisible as a basis to form their own opinions on what the shard to dollar rate is, going on the presumption that multiplayer games always likes nice round numbers. But that's beside the point, we have evidence in front of us and people can draw conclusions based on that. Okay...is 2,000 the final number? Or, based on playtesting and the rewards given in terms of COIN, was that adjusted higher? Maybe lower? Seems to me people are awfully bored right now and need something to get riled up about. At the YouTubers will gain a few subs...
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Post by river82 on Jan 29, 2019 22:35:06 GMT
We know it's 2,000 shards for an armour pack at that time. People can use that, and the other shard numbers, and which numbers are easily divisible as a basis to form their own opinions on what the shard to dollar rate is, going on the presumption that multiplayer games always likes nice round numbers. But that's beside the point, we have evidence in front of us and people can draw conclusions based on that. Okay...is 2,000 the final number? Or, based on playtesting and the rewards given in terms of COIN, was that adjusted higher? Maybe lower? Seems to me people are awfully bored right now and need something to get riled up about. At the YouTubers will gain a few subs... At one point in time it was the number. I'm not getting riled up at all. Sofa said the speculation machine was in full force, Monkeylungs questioned whether it was a good guess considering everybody's guess was based on a leak image, I chimed in at that point to say because it was based on a leaked image it technically wasn't speculation. Things tend to get murky these days because people use words sloppily. You can call it speculation colloquially, but to be honest it's not really. And if someone's questioning that, then I thought I'd chime in and say there questioning is well warranted.
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Post by hawkspian on Jan 29, 2019 22:38:07 GMT
Micro transactions don't bother me one bit. I work hard for good money, this is just another options for me to spend it frivolously, I've spent money on Warframe to buy plat to buy prime warframes and guns off trade chat. I've also spent money before on loot boxes on mass effect three multiplayer. Way I see it is it's an option. If you don't want to spend the money or you can't afford it then don't buy it, it's that simple. How anyone else spends their money and what they buy doesn't affect you in the slightest. Just my two cents. Agreed. And with the fact that they are all purely cosmetic mtx's, and can all be earned using in-game currency as well, there really isn't a whole lot to complain about at this point. This isn't "pay-to-win". There are no weapons or components or abilities tied to mtx's, just cool-looking armor and vinyls. And they can all also be earned. I don't get why this would make the game "grindier" or impact progression. Progression is level of weapons, level of pilot, etc. None of those are tied to mtx. Exactly, and even if it was pay to win, still. wouldn't bother me cos there's no PVP, not like someone can buy the new javelin way before I can grind for it and kill me over and over again.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 29, 2019 22:39:30 GMT
Well, it's confirmation of in-game microtransactions...which we knew. Is this the final price that is being leaked? Or are we just "speculating"? We know it's 2,000 shards for an armour pack at that time. People can use that, and the other shard numbers, and which numbers are easily divisible as a basis to form their own opinions on what the shard to dollar rate is, going on the presumption that multiplayer games always likes nice round numbers. But that's beside the point, we have evidence in front of us and people can draw conclusions based on that. In Dragon's Dogma 2000 Rift Crystal pack costs 0.99$, with 4.99$ for 30K Rift Crystals. In ESO 1500 Crown points cost 14,99$ (100.07 points per $) and 5500 go for 39.99$ (137.53 per $). And while I doubt Anthem's shards will be as cheap as Rift Crystals in DD - round premium currency number doesn't mean it's an easily divisible number by $ for a pack, ESPECIALLY that the number of shards/rift crystals/premium currency per dollar will likely get higher the more expensive premium current pack we will pick, which is usually how it's done. Nevermind that lack of round, easily divisible will be even more true for people NOT living in US...
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Post by samhain444 on Jan 29, 2019 22:42:32 GMT
Okay...is 2,000 the final number? Or, based on playtesting and the rewards given in terms of COIN, was that adjusted higher? Maybe lower? Seems to me people are awfully bored right now and need something to get riled up about. At the YouTubers will gain a few subs... At one point in time it was the number. I'm not getting riled up at all. Sofa said the speculation machine was in full force, Monkeylungs questioned whether it was a good guess considering everybody's guess was based on a leak image, I chimed in at that point to say because it was based on a leaked image it technically wasn't speculation. Things tend to get murky these days because people use words sloppily. You can call it speculation colloquially, but to be honest it's not really. And if someone's questioning that, then I thought I'd chime in and say there questioning is well warranted. Okay, I guess I figured that the fact that BioWare said from the beginning that "Anthem" would have microtransactions that were cosmetic and available for real dollars would mean that this would fall out of the "Speculation" category and into the "Confirmed" category. Maybe I just misunderstood what hairs were being split here. I guess the "speculation", at this point, is if it will be the final price.
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Post by hawkspian on Jan 29, 2019 22:45:34 GMT
Unless I’m wrong and the exchange rate was leaked? The strongest I've found is ' the price was leaked but we have no source'.Many are also going with: 1 cent per shard and assuming that as fact. I have no reason to believe that leaks can't be unsourced and legitimate but I'm seeing conflicting accounts. Additionally, the game sells internationally, why lock the shard conversion so obviously to the US Dollar? People are saying it's fact I guess because it's the same price as battlefield 5s tank skins lol. We are going to have to wait and see. I'll drop £300 on skins cos I love the game, I love Bioware, I don't drink or do drugs, I don't have kids, other than my car my gaming is my hobby. Take my ££ and pimp my javelin ✌️
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Post by river82 on Jan 29, 2019 22:46:29 GMT
We know it's 2,000 shards for an armour pack at that time. People can use that, and the other shard numbers, and which numbers are easily divisible as a basis to form their own opinions on what the shard to dollar rate is, going on the presumption that multiplayer games always likes nice round numbers. But that's beside the point, we have evidence in front of us and people can draw conclusions based on that. In Dragon's Dogma 2000 Rift Crystal pack costs 0.99$, with 4.99$ for 30K Rift Crystals. In ESO 1500 Crown points cost 14,99$ (100.07 points per $) and 5500 go for 39.99$ (137.53 per $). And while I doubt Anthem's shards will be as cheap as Rift Crystals in DD - round premium currency number doesn't mean it's an easily divisible number by $ for a pack, ESPECIALLY that the number of shards/rift crystals/premium currency per dollar will likely get higher the more expensive premium current pack we will pick, which is usually how it's done. Nevermind that lack of round, easily divisible will be even more true for people NOT living in US... Those prices are rounded up generally, the 99c is always to make it look good. It's 2000 rift crystals for a dollar, or 5 dollars for 30k rift cristals, and in ESO it's a hundred to one for those numbers. True, there's usually a discount if you buy in bulk. It's usually round and divisible for the US anyway (unless buying in bulk) and then people can scale currency accordingly.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 29, 2019 22:47:40 GMT
This is moving the goal posts. Nobody's saying the prices are "correct", what is being argued is whether people musing about them is speculation. Speculation is hypothesising without any semblence of evidence, we have evidence, therefore it isn't speculation. That doesn't mean it's correct. I wasn't the one who moved the goalpost in the discussion. People are clearly talking about shards per $ price being speculative, while you're trying to argue that there's validity to this assumption because... the leak from w-i-p shop is real. At this point in time all we know is that this is a snapshot from real Anthem shop with prices set at the time the screenshot has been taken. There's no semblance of evidence to suggest people are anywhere close to right when 'translating' prices for stuff from the shop into real money other than 'well, a dollar for 100 shards sounds about right'...
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Post by river82 on Jan 29, 2019 22:52:56 GMT
This is moving the goal posts. Nobody's saying the prices are "correct", what is being argued is whether people musing about them is speculation. Speculation is hypothesising without any semblence of evidence, we have evidence, therefore it isn't speculation. That doesn't mean it's correct. I wasn't the one who moved the goalpost in the discussion. People are clearly talking about shards per $ price being speculative, while you're trying to argue that there's validity to this assumption because... the leak from w-i-p shop is real. At this point in time all we know is that this is a snapshot from real Anthem shop with prices set at the time the screenshot has been taken. There's no semblance of evidence to suggest people are anywhere close to right when 'translating' prices for stuff from the shop into real money other than 'well, a dollar for 100 shards sounds about right'... Since when was being right a key component on whether something is, or isn't, speculative?
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 29, 2019 22:55:16 GMT
Micro transactions don't bother me one bit. I work hard for good money, this is just another options for me to spend it frivolously, I've spent money on Warframe to buy plat to buy prime warframes and guns off trade chat. I've also spent money before on loot boxes on mass effect three multiplayer. Way I see it is it's an option. If you don't want to spend the money or you can't afford it then don't buy it, it's that simple. How anyone else spends their money and what they buy doesn't affect you in the slightest. Just my two cents. I don't have this much money to spend frivolously on stuff and I think a discussion about predatory practices in mtx is valid...but then again I'm a bit surprised by the pushback I see sometimes, especially of people from US or richer Western countries, given that the idea of buying merchandise to either support the company, or express what they like or just flaunt this stuff around has been rooted in culture for quite some time... Like... if I was to pick 7379817-zillionth t-shirt or 29837908734 mug or even a fancy statue to gather dust on my shelf and aggravate my dust mite allergy, I think I'm just going to find more use from a fancy costume for my game character....
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 29, 2019 22:57:04 GMT
I wasn't the one who moved the goalpost in the discussion. People are clearly talking about shards per $ price being speculative, while you're trying to argue that there's validity to this assumption because... the leak from w-i-p shop is real. At this point in time all we know is that this is a snapshot from real Anthem shop with prices set at the time the screenshot has been taken. There's no semblance of evidence to suggest people are anywhere close to right when 'translating' prices for stuff from the shop into real money other than 'well, a dollar for 100 shards sounds about right'... Since when was being right a key component on whether something is, or isn't, speculative? The leak isn't speculative. The shard pricing IS. End of story.
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