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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 10, 2019 19:08:15 GMT
Well EA have a reputation of closing down studios if they don't meet their expectations. Since Andromeda was a financial and critical failure, consumer confidence is low, impending industry crash, people are worried that if Anthem fails that EA will close Bioware down and we won't get another DA or ME. While I don't think Anthem will fail hard, it won't be the success that EA want, what that will translate to for the future of BW who knows. Andromeda was not a financial failure. It made a profit. They told their investors this and they have to be honest to investors.
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Post by masterwarderz on Feb 10, 2019 19:24:46 GMT
Well EA have a reputation of closing down studios if they don't meet their expectations. Since Andromeda was a financial and critical failure, consumer confidence is low, impending industry crash, people are worried that if Anthem fails that EA will close Bioware down and we won't get another DA or ME. While I don't think Anthem will fail hard, it won't be the success that EA want, what that will translate to for the future of BW who knows. Andromeda was not a financial failure. This defense of the sign of Bioware's impending doom is absolutely adorable to me. What next? Are you going to tell them that because Fallout 76 made the money back from production its a success as well?
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Post by thats1evildude on Feb 10, 2019 21:47:25 GMT
I highly doubt that Anthem will flop. True, I prophesized doom in the lead-up to the demo, but after playing it, Anthem seems like a decent middle-of-the-road game. Not personally to my tastes, mind you, but I can still recognize a quality product.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Feb 10, 2019 23:26:07 GMT
Why on Earth would investors listen to quarterly earnings reports when they could just watch Jim Sterling and AngryJoe instead?
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Post by michaeln7 on Feb 11, 2019 0:41:20 GMT
*shrug* If it happens, it happens. I don't think it will, and I would definitely be disappointed if it did, but if so, it's not the end of the world. I'm done with being emotionally dependent on the success of video game manufacturers. I second this. In my late-teens/early-twenties, games from B.O.B. (BioWare, Obsidian, Bethesda), S.E.T.H. (Square Enix, THq), and R.C. (Rocksteady, Crytek) were the only thing that kept me going; there are other factors, but I'm aware of how tolerance is exercised, so I'll keep those. It's still a hobby, one I very much enjoy, even as I approach 28 years of age. But a lot of things feel like the end of the world... yet never do so. Is there danger? Of course there is, but you risk your life every time you get in a car, and every company risks biting the big one. One thing I've observed is that those who stake their happiness on transient things merely show the frailties they've chosen, and it makes me sad. No judgement here, I've been there, but the critical distinction is that I GOT OUT. To be more concise, I'm not afraid of DA4 not happening, because I choose to base my happiness on solid foundations. Plus, they can't drop a teaser like THAT (#TheDreadWolfRises) and then not follow through in some fashion!
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 11, 2019 3:13:42 GMT
Andromeda was not a financial failure. This defense of the sign of Bioware's impending doom is absolutely adorable to me. What next? Are you going to tell them that because Fallout 76 made the money back from production its a success as well? What's the metric for "failure" here? Do you have one that doesn't involve EA lying to investors?
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Post by pessimistpanda on Feb 11, 2019 3:45:24 GMT
This defense of the sign of Bioware's impending doom is absolutely adorable to me. What next? Are you going to tell them that because Fallout 76 made the money back from production its a success as well? What's the metric for "failure" here? Do you have one that doesn't involve EA lying to investors? Everyone knows that the financial success of a game is inversely proportional to the number of memes made about one character's face. Plus, my preferred youtube reviewers called it a steaming turd. And they are revered industry taste-makers, I assume.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 11, 2019 7:41:49 GMT
I’m sorry but this is some conspiracy theory bullshit. Dantics confirmed that whoever leaked the screenshot got it from a play test he attended. There’s zero indication that this was some insider effort to gauge consumer reaction. Especially since the idea that $1 = 100 shards is purely speculative and not revealed by any leak. That isn’t a universal exchange rate that all MTX models use, Warframe doesn’t for example. Oh, only the wise channel their irrational loathing of a video game publisher into the wallets of clickbait YouTube channels willing to tell them what they want to hear because negative spin get’s the most clicks? People will give you a lot if only you’ll feed them they idea that their preconceptions were right. That may have been unfair. I can understand people being wary of the publisher after some of their decisions, but so many people seem to have allowed that distrust to metastasize into a self feeding toxicity that seems less interested in deciding whether a game is good (and responding in a rational manner by buying or not buying it then) and more interested in punishing the company because of past mistakes. I don’t like EA upper management, I think they’re remarkable out of touch and oblivious in their decision making at times, but that doesn’t make the mob mentality of their detractors any more “wise”. This is something that has bugged me for months. You can be skeptical of a company’s decisions without forming a hate circlejerk that appends “but it’s EA, so they’ll definitely fuck it up” and the most nefarious of intentions to even the most positive impressions about a game to assert how “wise” they are to their peers. As for the topic of the thread. I don’t think you have anything to worry about. They wouldn’t have teased DA4 in December if it had not already been greenlit for production. Anthem will succeed in initial sales, all indications are that preorders have been strong. So I very much doubt that will be an issue. I actually think EA is realizing their decision to reduce the number of releases they do has made each release a bigger risk and will probably be looking to develop more of their franchises going forward. This nonsense has been going on since DA2. I joined BSN around 2012, a few months after the game came out. I was so in love with it, and eager to connect with other fans. What I found was a viper's nest of hatred and vitriol. I was super disappointed, and even began to doubt my own taste and opinions. I played DAO, since this was universally lauded as he far superior game, and didn't enjoy it as much as DA2. But again, I thought, maybe I am just a less sophisticated gamer. Surely, all these extremely loud and vulgar people know better than me. Then ME3 came out. I was very, very curious, because I'd never played a space RPG, and so I started reading about the plot, and the characters, and the romance possibilities. I so enjoyed my Hawkes and their romances and that fun world that I decided to give ME3 a try. But then ME3 came out, and it happened all over again. I changed my mind. Surely, the critics were right. This must be the worst game BioWare had ever produced. Well, eventually I couldn't take it anymore. I kept seeing videos of playthroughs, and I was falling in love with Kaidan in particular and wondering what my Shepard would look like, so I finally bought the game and played it in two weeks at my brother in law's house (didn't have my own xbox at the time). Wow. I'd never been so emotionally moved by a game EVER. I was CRYING as the credits rolled. I quickly bought an xbox for myself and bought the entire trilogy. Freaking. Loved it. Read online that "ME2 was the best of the trilogy," found myself disagreeing, yet again; for me it was a tie between 1 and 3. But again, I wondered if I was just ignorant of such things. (I particularly disliked ME2 because the female characters all thought I wanted to sleep with them, and it was very awkward and embarrassing, but despite that, still a pretty fun game... despite the silly giant robot baby at the end lmao). Next up, DAI: Whelp, at this point I knew not to listen to BioWare "fans." I preordered. I was fiercely disappointed by the romances, but I played that damn game. Then mods came out, and I played it even more, and more, and again and again, and damn it, I enjoyed it. Then MEA came out. All that romance drama happened, and I was bummed, but DAMN IT I BOUGHT IT AND PLAYED IT. And. I liked it. I loved it. People making reasonable criticisms had me nodding along with them; people on BSN screaming about SJW and dumbing down the game and EAWare got insta-blocks from me. So yeah, I'm gonna buy DA4, no question, and I bet I'm gonna love it, and all the people who lose their fucking minds over a woman with a square jaw or an undercut can just scream their asses off into oblivion cause I got their asses blocked and can't see it anyway xD I actually got DA2 in hesitation after reading all the hate on the original forum, and when I completed it, I came to the conclusion that I was never going to listen to those trash cans again.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 11, 2019 7:45:29 GMT
Well EA have a reputation of closing down studios if they don't meet their expectations. Since Andromeda was a financial and critical failure, consumer confidence is low, impending industry crash, people are worried that if Anthem fails that EA will close Bioware down and we won't get another DA or ME. While I don't think Anthem will fail hard, it won't be the success that EA want, what that will translate to for the future of BW who knows. I think the thing that would kill me the most if BioWare were to close, other than losing out on the prospect of future releases of the IP’s that I love, would be that incompetent shithouses like Bethesda would *still* be kicking at the time.
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Post by masterwarderz on Feb 11, 2019 10:16:02 GMT
This defense of the sign of Bioware's impending doom is absolutely adorable to me. What next? Are you going to tell them that because Fallout 76 made the money back from production its a success as well? What's the metric for "failure" here? Do you have one that doesn't involve EA lying to investors? Let's start by critical reception, then move onto internal review and projections on units to move. Or I can save you some time. It failed all three.
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 11, 2019 15:43:14 GMT
I actually got DA2 in hesitation after reading all the hate on the original forum, and when I completed it, I came to the conclusion that I was never going to listen to those trash cans again. For me it was during the ME3 debacle when I basically concluded that, while the final product may be flawed, it seems like people build up totally unrealistic expectations for what a game should be in their heads and then throw a fit when the game doesn’t meet their mental model for how it should have gone. I basically don’t care at this point what the zeitgeist thinks about games. If I see something that looks like I’ll enjoy it, I’ll go in with an open mind and I’m rarely disappointed.
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Post by simit on Feb 11, 2019 16:16:13 GMT
I have concerns over DA4, it actually being made an released isn't one of them.
Concern is probably the wrong word since im personally not concerned i guess im more interested, interested in what DA4 will be an how it will look an play.
By how it will be i mean will it be a full action game or more heavily tactical or maybe both, who knows
But yeah it being released aint a concern i trouble myself with, i trouble myself with the thought i'll be dead before it's released more 😂😂
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Post by ellanathehamster on Feb 11, 2019 18:06:54 GMT
Objectively EA poured too much money into DA4 to cancel it now. So I wouldn't worry about it being at risk. They had a team actively working on it for more than a year (since may 2017), they know how popular this franchise is and how much money it can bring- and EA is all about money. Granted, DA can be dumped in the future, if Bioware screws up with it like with Andromeda (and this game was a failure, don't tell me about it having decent sales- the damage that was done to Bioware name and ME in general cost way more). But that is something to worry (or not, since I am optimistic about DA team) in the future.
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Post by inquisitor007 on Feb 11, 2019 19:56:58 GMT
If Anthem under-performs I can see changes being made at the studio. But shuttering it entirely? Bioware = dragon age, and dragon age is still a proven IP with a dedicated fanbase. It's unapologetically inclusive and female-centric, which seem to be the in thing these days. And the last one won game of the year. I'm more worried about them mangling it with microtransactions and crap rather than axing it entirely. And personally, I'd rather have no da than a bad da.
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Post by Artemis on Feb 11, 2019 20:57:45 GMT
If Anthem under-performs I can see changes being made at the studio. But shuttering it entirely? Bioware = dragon age, and dragon age is still a proven IP with a dedicated fanbase. It's unapologetically inclusive and female-centric, which seem to be the in thing these days. And the last one won game of the year. I'm more worried about them mangling it with microtransactions and crap rather than axing it entirely. And personally, I'd rather have no da than a bad da. Good point, and yes, DA has the numbers to prove that it is wildly popular (in video game terms) among female consumers, which is like... a crazy gold mine that no one but the Sims can seem to touch.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Feb 11, 2019 21:10:58 GMT
If Anthem under-performs I can see changes being made at the studio. But shuttering it entirely? Bioware = dragon age, and dragon age is still a proven IP with a dedicated fanbase. It's unapologetically inclusive and female-centric, which seem to be the in thing these days. And the last one won game of the year. I'm more worried about them mangling it with microtransactions and crap rather than axing it entirely. And personally, I'd rather have no da than a bad da. Good point, and yes, DA has the numbers to prove that it is wildly popular (in video game terms) among female consumers, which is like... a crazy gold mine that no one but the Sims can seem to touch. But women get their money from their husbands!
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Post by Gwydden on Feb 11, 2019 23:53:13 GMT
But women get their money from their husbands! With the economy the way it is, they'll be lucky to get Steam shovelware for Valentine's Day.
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Post by thats1evildude on Feb 12, 2019 0:19:58 GMT
If Anthem under-performs I can see changes being made at the studio. But shuttering it entirely? Bioware = dragon age, and dragon age is still a proven IP with a dedicated fanbase. It's unapologetically inclusive and female-centric, which seem to be the in thing these days. And the last one won game of the year. I'm more worried about them mangling it with microtransactions and crap rather than axing it entirely. And personally, I'd rather have no da than a bad da. Good point, and yes, DA has the numbers to prove that it is wildly popular (in video game terms) among female consumers, which is like... a crazy gold mine that no one but the Sims can seem to touch. I was actually reading an article today about this Chinese mobile game that's really insanely popular with women in that country on account of letting you date one of four hunky dudes, and it's kinda clear what's resonating with the female gaming crowd.
This isn't the article I was reading, but I can't find the other one, which came to my attention because it mentioned Dragon Age in passing.
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Post by masterwarderz on Feb 12, 2019 0:56:11 GMT
And personally, I'd rather have no da than a bad da. DAI?
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 12, 2019 2:21:44 GMT
What's the metric for "failure" here? Do you have one that doesn't involve EA lying to investors? Let's start by critical reception, then move onto internal review and projections on units to move. Or I can save you some time. It failed all three. Workable, as long as we want "failure " to include everything from a mild disappointment to Kingdoms of Amalur.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 12, 2019 2:24:33 GMT
On a related note, when are those mass arrests that Q promised were going to happen? Is it soon? Because I coulda swore we passed several deadlines already. I keep waiting for that to be revealed as a research project testing the limits of human gullibility.
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Post by masterwarderz on Feb 12, 2019 6:01:57 GMT
Scorching, ow, ow, ow so hot ;_; Shouldn't you go back to Tumblr and cry about orange man bad? From the way things are currently going, orange man probably going to be visiting his kids in prison Wouldn't hold my breath. Then again I can't not breath for two years straight
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Post by masterwarderz on Feb 12, 2019 6:02:22 GMT
Let's start by critical reception, then move onto internal review and projections on units to move. Or I can save you some time. It failed all three. Workable, as long as we want "failure " to include everything from a mild disappointment to Kingdoms of Amalur. I actually rather enjoyed KA
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Post by pessimistpanda on Feb 12, 2019 6:55:45 GMT
Workable, as long as we want "failure " to include everything from a mild disappointment to Kingdoms of Amalur. I actually rather enjoyed KA Well I suppose we've established that the metric for financial failure is whether or not masterwarderz enjoyed it.
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Post by masterwarderz on Feb 12, 2019 15:53:53 GMT
I actually rather enjoyed KA Well I suppose we've established that the metric for financial failure is whether or not masterwarderz enjoyed it. Pfft. God that's shit tier. Your game is weak boy
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