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Post by shinobiwan on Feb 22, 2019 3:58:34 GMT
This post makes so little sense that I don't really know how to respond. That's not an argument. Point out where it don't make sense. I can't, the whole thing is basically gibberish. Looking at year over year revenue growth doesn't say much about whether a company is close to insolvency.
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Post by Terminator Force on Feb 22, 2019 4:01:19 GMT
That's not an argument. Point out where it don't make sense. I can't, the whole thing is basically gibberish. Looking at year over year revenue growth doesn't say much about whether a company is close to insolvency. But still says something?
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Post by maximusarael020 on Feb 22, 2019 4:04:14 GMT
That's not an argument. Point out where it don't make sense. I can't, the whole thing is basically gibberish. Looking at year over year revenue growth doesn't say much about whether a company is close to insolvency. So do you have evidence that is is? Or just your keen business mind.
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Post by shinobiwan on Feb 22, 2019 4:04:50 GMT
This post makes so little sense that I don't really know how to respond. Sorry, that quoted part first shown was what you said (thought you might have remembered, wasn't that long ago). You insinuated that if a billion dollar company came up short in expectations by not even 2x CEO earnings that they were in big trouble. I didn't get it either, but here we are I guess. Again, what are you talking about? Billion dollar company? I can't think of a single company that would be valued at 1x yearly revenue. Also, do you not realize directors and officers are paid mostly in stock or options? Do you seriously not understand the difference between measuring the performance of an entire company and one of its divisions? That business lines can be profitable but still not worthwhile to invest in?
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Post by cypherj on Feb 22, 2019 4:10:17 GMT
Well, in a sense, one could argue Andromeda was BioWare's DS3, but I'm guessing you're referring to the other sense. Yeah. The kicker here is that thanks to DS3 not meeting EA's expectations the franchise ended on a cliffhanger whereas the Dragon Age franchise could potentially suffer the same fate, and that will sting worse than Visceral's closure. I think the next Dragon Age will come out regardless of how Anthem does. ME is the one I'm worried about.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Feb 22, 2019 4:18:26 GMT
Sorry, that quoted part first shown was what you said (thought you might have remembered, wasn't that long ago). You insinuated that if a billion dollar company came up short in expectations by not even 2x CEO earnings that they were in big trouble. I didn't get it either, but here we are I guess. Again, what are you talking about? Billion dollar company? I can't think of a single company that would be valued at 1x yearly revenue. Also, do you not realize directors and officers are paid mostly in stock or options? Do you seriously not understand the difference between measuring the performance of an entire company and one of its divisions? That business lines can be profitable but still not worthwhile to invest in? So you don't have any actual evidence to suggest they are in financial trouble. Thanks.
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Post by biggydx on Feb 22, 2019 4:20:31 GMT
Yeah. The kicker here is that thanks to DS3 not meeting EA's expectations the franchise ended on a cliffhanger whereas the Dragon Age franchise could potentially suffer the same fate, and that will sting worse than Visceral's closure. I think the next Dragon Age will come out regardless of how Anthem does. ME is the one I'm worried about. If they don't get off the Frostbite engine and start thinking smaller, that game is going to suffer. I can't help but think how much potential is being wasted by them constantly having to get the Frosbite engine to play nice with everything they try to do.
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Post by shinobiwan on Feb 22, 2019 4:26:10 GMT
Again, what are you talking about? Billion dollar company? I can't think of a single company that would be valued at 1x yearly revenue. Also, do you not realize directors and officers are paid mostly in stock or options? Do you seriously not understand the difference between measuring the performance of an entire company and one of its divisions? That business lines can be profitable but still not worthwhile to invest in? So you don't have any actual evidence to suggest they are in financial trouble. Thanks. So you don't have any actual evidence to suggest you have any clue what you're talking about. Thanks.
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Post by shinobiwan on Feb 22, 2019 4:27:18 GMT
I think the next Dragon Age will come out regardless of how Anthem does. ME is the one I'm worried about. If they don't get off the Frostbite engine and start thinking smaller, that game is going to suffer. I can't help but think how much potential is being wasted by them constantly having to get the Frosbite engine to play nice with everything they try to do. I agree, I have a strong suspicion frostbite is the main culprit.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Feb 22, 2019 4:30:07 GMT
So you don't have any actual evidence to suggest they are in financial trouble. Thanks. So you don't have any actual evidence to suggest you have any clue what you're talking about. Thanks. I mean, over a billion dollars in net revenue and an increase in said revenue, but you are saying they are in financial trouble, the proof kind of needs to come from your end at this point, yes? Since you know so much about what we are talking about. Explain to me how EA is in financial trouble. It seems like you have all the requisite knowledge to, but something is holding you back. I'm curious! Inform me, poor stupid Max, exactly how EA is in financial trouble?
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Post by smilesja on Feb 22, 2019 4:41:14 GMT
So you don't have any actual evidence to suggest you have any clue what you're talking about. Thanks. I mean, over a billion dollars in net revenue and an increase in said revenue, but you are saying they are in financial trouble, the proof kind of needs to come from your end at this point, yes? Since you know so much about what we are talking about. Explain to me how EA is in financial trouble. It seems like you have all the requisite knowledge to, but something is holding you back. I'm curious! Inform me, poor stupid Max, exactly how EA is in financial trouble? Cleanpricegaming and Yongyea told me about EA’s demise in revenue it must be true!!!! Anthem is finished!!!!
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Post by shinobiwan on Feb 22, 2019 4:44:20 GMT
So you don't have any actual evidence to suggest you have any clue what you're talking about. Thanks. I mean, over a billion dollars in net revenue and an increase in said revenue, but you are saying they are in financial trouble, the proof kind of needs to come from your end at this point, yes? Since you know so much about what we are talking about. Explain to me how EA is in financial trouble. It seems like you have all the requisite knowledge to, but something is holding you back. I'm curious! Inform me, poor stupid Max, exactly how EA is in financial trouble? First off, this is what I said: "A single business division underperforming by $60m is absolutely a major event for a company, yes." Why you keep bringing up insolvency at the holding company level, I have no idea. Claiming a company is healthy because it does $1b revenue is the same as claiming it's about to go bankrupt because it spent $500m. One number without context doesn't say anything. Since you keep bringing up my background, I am a corporate lawyer and get paid a lot of money to deal with this stuff every day. Teaching people how to properly interpret financial information over a message board is like trying to teach a toddler to read over the telephone.
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 22, 2019 4:46:22 GMT
Well, in a sense, one could argue Andromeda was BioWare's DS3, but I'm guessing you're referring to the other sense. Yeah. The kicker here is that thanks to DS3 not meeting EA's expectations the franchise ended on a cliffhanger whereas the Dragon Age franchise could potentially suffer the same fate, and that will sting worse than Visceral's closure.
Agreed, if the studio makes it a looter shooter.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Feb 22, 2019 5:09:50 GMT
First off, this is what I said: "A single business division underperforming by $60m is absolutely a major event for a company, yes." Wouldn't that depend on the company and the division? I mean, I'm no lawyer, but money is all relative, yes? So unless you have access to their actual financials, you stating this as "fact" is pure speculation, correct?
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Post by shinobiwan on Feb 22, 2019 5:19:43 GMT
First off, this is what I said: "A single business division underperforming by $60m is absolutely a major event for a company, yes." Wouldn't that depend on the company and the division? I mean, I'm no lawyer, but money is all relative, yes? So unless you have access to their actual financials, you stating this as "fact" is pure speculation, correct? No, it would be material to even the largest of companies. This is way off topic at this point. If you want to keep calling everything I say "speculation" and keep citing holdco revenues, feel free. If you actually want to continue the conversation productively, you can pm me.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Feb 22, 2019 5:30:08 GMT
Wouldn't that depend on the company and the division? I mean, I'm no lawyer, but money is all relative, yes? So unless you have access to their actual financials, you stating this as "fact" is pure speculation, correct? No, it would be material to even the largest of companies. Material, sure. Potentially devastating? VERY dependent on company and division. For very large companies like EA with variable earnings year over year but a continued increase in net revenue... rmeh? I mean, based on your analysis and EA's history, they would have gone bankrupt years ago. Is it possible that the "corporations" you are a "lawyer" for are potentially different than EA and you are just outside of the type of income levels you are used to working with? Or are you saying all companies are the same and you are an expert on all of their income and spending habits?
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Post by clips7 on Feb 22, 2019 5:44:21 GMT
Early scores coming in...don't look good....and pretty much all share the same reactions..."Flying around is great and the combat is fulfilling"...but the missions are repetitive and the environments are relatively empty and the boss battles are underwhelming with alot of them spawning lesser bullet sponges for you to fight.
The connection iisues are things that you just have to deal with in terms of online capabilities....just no way around it. We'll see how the patch tightens things up in terms of loading screens and more reliable server connections...i think content overall is key....even tho Anthem isn't the game for me, visuals and gameplay are already tight so they just need to worry about building up interesting content from here on out....those initial low scores are hurting the game a bit.
That won't matter if the game sells well tho, but it seemed Bioware needed this game to hit the ground running with high marks....i don't think EA will pull the plug on Bioware....too many strong IP's (Dragon Age, Mass Effect) and Anthem is notthe train-wreck that was Andromeda coming out of the gates...game looks and plays good from the jump....just add some killer content and Anthem will be fine...
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Post by shinobiwan on Feb 22, 2019 5:55:32 GMT
Is it possible that the "corporations" you are a "lawyer" for are potentially different than EA and you are just outside of the type of income levels you are used to working with? No, they are usually about the same size or larger. I addressed the rest of this already.
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Post by tatann on Feb 22, 2019 5:56:57 GMT
I think the next Dragon Age will come out regardless of how Anthem does. ME is the one I'm worried about. If they don't get off the Frostbite engine and start thinking smaller, that game is going to suffer. I can't help but think how much potential is being wasted by them constantly having to get the Frosbite engine to play nice with everything they try to do. From the start I've thought Frostbyte was the death of Mass Effect, not EA, not ME3 ending, and certainly not "SJW"...
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Post by shinobiwan on Feb 22, 2019 5:58:38 GMT
If they don't get off the Frostbite engine and start thinking smaller, that game is going to suffer. I can't help but think how much potential is being wasted by them constantly having to get the Frosbite engine to play nice with everything they try to do. From the start I've thought Frostbyte was the death of Mass Effect, not EA, not ME3 ending, and certainly not "SJW"... The only wrinkle is DAI came out fine, at least in imo.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Feb 22, 2019 6:06:53 GMT
Is it possible that the "corporations" you are a "lawyer" for are potentially different than EA and you are just outside of the type of income levels you are used to working with? No, they are usually about the same size or larger. I addressed the rest of this already. I guess as a "lawyer" I would have figured you would have been better at the "evidence" part. But whatever. You're the big "corporate lawyer" for "corporations" that are "as big as EA or larger", so I guess when EA goes bankrupt next year I'll buy a round at the bar for everyone to your name.
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Post by tatann on Feb 22, 2019 6:10:58 GMT
From the start I've thought Frostbyte was the death of Mass Effect, not EA, not ME3 ending, and certainly not "SJW"... The only wrinkle is DAI came out fine, at least in imo. That's why I said Mass Effect, not Bioware ;-) DAI still had the sound bug though
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Post by duckley on Feb 22, 2019 6:26:57 GMT
Ouch. I had no intention of playing the game as MP FPS type games arent my thing but I was hoping it would be a success. If the main issue is content then hopefully they can add new missions and create greater diversity.
I just dont want bad reviews of thr game to negatively impact DA or a potential return to ME. I sometimes wonder if there is something that generates harsher criticism of bioware products than other companies. I really enjoyed MEA and didnt agree with much of the criicism...
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Post by shinobiwan on Feb 22, 2019 6:31:04 GMT
If the main issue is content It's not. I sometimes wonder if there is something that generates harsher criticism of bioware products than other companies. There is - the lack of quality of their games as of late.
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Post by lennybusker on Feb 22, 2019 6:34:20 GMT
Ouch. I had no intention of playing the game as MP FPS type games arent my thing but I was hoping it would be a success. If the main issue is content then hopefully they can add new missions and create greater diversity. I just dont want bad reviews of thr game to negatively impact DA or a potential return to ME. I sometimes wonder if there is something that generates harsher criticism of bioware products than other companies. I really enjoyed MEA and didnt agree with much of the criicism... The question is, do you want this Bioware to be involved in a new Mass Effect? Whether you personally liked Andromeda or not, you have to admit that the game was not a critical success on the level of the trilogy, and now Anthem is underperforming as well. Mass Effect is my favorite series of all time, but I'd just as soon have it be done forever than be tarnished even further.
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