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Post by gangrelbeckett on Mar 5, 2019 22:15:41 GMT
*Sees everyone voting for Apex Legends and Fortnight* Apex Legends is a big success for EA. They had a bad fiscal quarter report but Apex Legends saved their shares. But EA publish also titles like Sea of Solitude.
To be fair this is an Indie Game with a way smaller budget but another company like Activision wouldn´t give this thing a chance. There is hope for SP games from EA. But the company needs a big seller like the Sony ones. Maybe is could be Star Wars The Fallen Order. This is also from Respawn and of its writers none other than Chris Avellone.
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Post by biggydx on Mar 5, 2019 22:24:09 GMT
Best case scenario is that the game ends up almost similar to Dragon Age Inquisition, but with recurrent single player events for new loot and activities like AC: Odyssey.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 5, 2019 22:48:12 GMT
There is probably little we can do aside from voting with our wallets and EA does follow trends and recently there have been some really good SP games out there. *Sees everyone voting for Apex Legends and Fortnight* ... ... well RPGs may not be the biggest ticket sellers. Not as much as the battle royale games that are easy to pick up and addictive.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Mar 5, 2019 22:54:28 GMT
well RPGs may not be the biggest ticket sellers. Not as much as the battle royale games that are easy to pick up and addictive. Dragon Age Battle Royale?!?
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Post by river82 on Mar 5, 2019 22:55:14 GMT
*Sees everyone voting for Apex Legends and Fortnight* ... ... well RPGs may not be the biggest ticket sellers. Not as much as the battle royale games that are easy to pick up and addictive. Far Cry New Dawn included "light RPG elements" in its series and ... sales down 85% (although they also reused the same environment and other things. But the RPG elements interferes with the do anything I want whenever I want aspect of the game)
*Whispers* Dark times ahead
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Post by colfoley on Mar 5, 2019 22:59:30 GMT
well RPGs may not be the biggest ticket sellers. Not as much as the battle royale games that are easy to pick up and addictive. Far Cry New Dawn included "light RPG elements" in its series and ... sales down 85% (although they also reused the same environment and other things. But the RPG elements interferes with the do anything I want whenever I want aspect of the game)
*Whispers* Dark times ahead
I think people are more annoyed that its a 'glorified expansion' personally i find the logic suspect but that seems to be the trend.
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Post by thats1evildude on Mar 5, 2019 23:10:55 GMT
There is probably little we can do aside from voting with our wallets and EA does follow trends and recently there have been some really good SP games out there. *Sees everyone voting for Apex Legends and Fortnight* Interesting that you bring up the two big battle royale games, because when Fortnite exploded, PUBG's success wane. Likewise, Fortnite's player base is on the decline as Apex Legends becomes more popular.
Even if the majority of people who play video games also play battle royale, we're still talking about a finite number of people with finite hours in the day. They can't play a dozen different "games as a service" all at once. But the industry fails to recognize this and they're pushing full-steam ahead with the shiny new toy they think will yield infinite profits.
There's actual room right now for a quality RPG, which is why Cyberpunk 2020 is going to probably sell shitloads (barring some major technical problems or controversy).
And this is partly why I think some advocacy by the Dragon Age fanbase would be successful, because maybe we could clue EA into the fact that there IS a market for a quality single-player RPG. But with the exception of Salos, y'all seem content to sit on your hands and hope for the best.
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Post by river82 on Mar 5, 2019 23:30:11 GMT
*Sees everyone voting for Apex Legends and Fortnight* Interesting that you bring up the two big battle royale games, because when Fortnite exploded, PUBG's success wane. Likewise, Fortnite's player base is on the decline as Apex Legends becomes more popular.
Even if the majority of people who play video games also play battle royale, we're still talking about a finite number of people with finite hours in the day. They can't play a dozen different "games as a service" all at once. But the industry fails to recognize this and they're pushing full-steam ahead with the shiny new toy they think will yield infinite profits.
There's actual room right now for a quality RPG, which is why Cyberpunk 2020 is going to probably sell shitloads (barring some major technical problems or controversy).
And this is partly why I think some advocacy by the Dragon Age fanbase would be successful, because maybe we could clue EA into the fact that there IS a market for a quality single-player RPG. But with the exception of Salos, y'all seem content to sit on your hands and hope for the best.
Bioware can make what they want, I don't feel the need to put pressure on them to make games suited for me. As someone who's just fallen heavily in love with ESO, will probably purchase FF14 in the near future, with Outer Worlds and Cyberpunk out soon, with Odyssey recently released, that I haven't even finished PoE2 or VC4 or Vesperia the definitive edition yet ... I have enough games to keep me busy for the foreseeable future.
15 years ago when Bioware was one of the only 2 or 3 companies making games I like and back when I was younger and angrier I might have been a bit more desperate to advocate for DA's return to its roots. These days ... eh. If Bioware wants to focus on other groups for Dragon Age I'm perfectly fine with that. I haven't enjoyed a Dragon Age game since Origins anyway.
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Post by thats1evildude on Mar 5, 2019 23:34:57 GMT
Then why bemoan others preferring Apex Legends and Fortnite?
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Post by river82 on Mar 5, 2019 23:39:44 GMT
Then why bemoan others preferring Apex Legends and Fortnite? Just commenting that people are voting with their wallets, and they're voting for other stuff predominantly. It's not like I went on a 3 paragraph rant about how people have shit taste
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Post by thats1evildude on Mar 5, 2019 23:42:16 GMT
Why comment at all if it doesn’t matter?
Why be here if you don’t enjoy the games? Especially in a thread about the future of the franchise.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 5, 2019 23:46:24 GMT
EA knows that there is a market for single-player RPGs. The reason they're making games like Apex Legends and Anthem is because those have more potential to bring in money over time. They don't want everyone to just buy a game once and finish it, they want us to keep playing it, and keep paying for it in perpetuity. The genre of the game in question doesn't even really matter, what matters is how they can convince you to regularly spend your hard-earned money on cosmetics and additional content.
If someone can come up with a way to effectively monetise AAA SP games in the long term, then EA will absolutely make more of them, but without some sort an ongoing online component, that's going to be impossible. BioWare has telemetry that shows that most players don't even finish the game the first time, let alone complete multiple playthroughs.
For EA to change its behaviour, the entire dang world needs to change its consumer behaviour drastically in order for this entire business model to stop being profitable.
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Post by river82 on Mar 5, 2019 23:51:06 GMT
Why comment at all if it doesn’t matter? Why be here if you don’t enjoy the games? Especially in a thread about the future of the franchise. Does everything we say have to be deep and meaningful? It was just me making small talk. I don't really do the small talk thing so that's what my small talk looks like.
Why I'm here? I used to be a huge Bioware fan, I still am a fan to some degree, and I like talking about RPGs and stories. I am on a NUMBER of RPG boards under different names.
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Post by thats1evildude on Mar 6, 2019 0:04:57 GMT
It seems more than a little sad to hang around a forum where you don’t like the associated games. I used to like Super Mario as a kid and I even owned a Super NES, but I don’t haunt the Nintendo SubReddit, occasionally piping up to say “Nothing here matters to me because these things are no longer to my taste.”
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Post by river82 on Mar 6, 2019 0:15:04 GMT
It seems more than a little sad to hang around a forum where you don’t like the associated games. I used to like Super Mario as a kid and I even owned a Super NES, but I don’t haunt the Nintendo SubReddit, occasionally piping up to say “Nothing here matters to me because these things are no longer to my taste.” I didn't say "nothing here matters to me". That's you changing my argument to suit your agenda. I said I'm fine with Bioware making games they want to make and that focus on other people's wants. Basically because I acknowledge that I'm not the only person who wants to be entertained by games.
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Post by thats1evildude on Mar 6, 2019 0:25:05 GMT
That's an interesting position to take as a consumer. "Please, BioWare, don't continue to produce things that I once enjoyed, for there might be others who would enjoy entirely different things." Perhaps you should write a letter to Cadbury Chcolate and request that they diversify into making lemon dish soap on the basis that others might enjoy the texture.
But of course, I again circle back to an earlier question: why make a passing comment bemoaning the market's preference for Apex Legends or Fortnite, even as "small talk" on a discussion forum for games you don't like? They are, after all, Different Things That Can Be Enjoyed By People Other Than Yourself, which you insist you have absolutely no issue with.
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Post by river82 on Mar 6, 2019 0:30:00 GMT
That's an interesting position to take as a consumer. "Please, BioWare, don't continue to produce things that I once enjoyed, for there might be others who would enjoy entirely different things." Perhaps you should write a letter to Cadbury and request that they diversify into making lemon dish soap on the basis that others might enjoy the texture. But of course, I again circle back to an earlier question: why make a passing comment bemoaning the market's favouritism towards Apex Legends or Fortnite, even as "small talk" on a discussion forum for games you don't like? They are, after all, Different Things That Can Be Enjoyed By Different Peopl e Other Than Yourself.
Firstly I didn't ask Bioware to not make things I enjoy, I said I didn't mind. And Cadbury can do whatever they wish, they're not forcing me to buy anything.
Secondly I wasn't bemoaning anything, I made a comment in passing. People make small talk comments to make conversation. The definition of small talk is to lightly converse over unimportant matters. In other words, whether people play fortnite or not isn't important to me.
I look forward to your next twisting of my words.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 6, 2019 0:33:35 GMT
One thing that might work is prompting EA and BioWare to consider avenues of monetisation that JRPGs employ. Lots of JRPGs that lack online components otherwise, sell small DLC like character skins, "time-saver" items and, in the case of monster-collecting games like Persona 5 and World of Final Fantasy, special monsters for your party that you won't find in-game.
So, things BioWare could sell separately for players who are interested would be, for example: Morrigan's iconic "witch of the wilds" gear, and her Orlesian ballgown, unique weapons, crafting material packs and xp boosters, various "pets" who operate the way DA2's mabari did. If there's a base, they could sell cosmetics for the base.
I mean, a lot of this stuff they do already, it's just tied to buying special editions or expansion packs. For people who would resent being nickle-and-dimed or whatever, they could still provide a season pass that promises access to all this stuff beforehand, or sell it as one-off themed bundle purchases.
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Post by thats1evildude on Mar 6, 2019 0:37:02 GMT
Secondly I wasn't bemoaning anything, I made a comment in passing.
On a forum for games you don't enjoy, in a thread by one fan asking other fans what they could do to preserve the single-player campaign experienced from the other games. That, again, you don't enjoy anymore.
Strange place to chat about the weather, river82.
One thing that might work is prompting EA and BioWare to consider avenues of monetisation that JRPGs employ. Lots of JRPGs that lack online components otherwise, sell small DLC like character skins, "time-saver" items and, in the case of monster-collecting games like Persona 5 and World of Final Fantasy, special monsters for your party that you won't find in-game. Ooooooooh ... Assassin's Creed Odyssey had that whole thing with the XP packs. I don't know if that's a good idea. I wouldn't mind seeing them sell more "stand-alone" stories in the vein of Leliana's Song, though.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 6, 2019 0:38:52 GMT
Jesus christ, knock it off. The only reason anybody comes to any online forum is a lack of better things to do.
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Post by river82 on Mar 6, 2019 0:41:00 GMT
Secondly I wasn't bemoaning anything, I made a comment in passing.
On a forum for games you don't enjoy, in a thread by one fan asking other fans what they could do to preserve the single-player campaign experienced from the other games. That, again, you don't enjoy anymore.
Strange place to chat about the weather, river82. Can you quote me where I said I don't enjoy their games anymore? Big fan of ME:T, will be playing Anthem next year. As for Dragon Age, the gameplay changes significantly from game to game so why not hang around and see if the next game is for you?
I hang around other RPG fans to talk about RPGs. Bioware is, or was, an RPG studio and so you can find plenty of RPG fans here to chat with.
Any other complaints you have?
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Post by thats1evildude on Mar 6, 2019 0:41:29 GMT
Jesus christ, knock it off. The only reason anybody comes to any online forum is a lack of better things to do.
I object to that, since I do have other things I could be doing. But I was in the mood to dwell on what a sour failure my efforts have become in the face of overwhelming apathy, trite jokes and self-delusion.
And on that note, allons-y.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 6, 2019 0:50:00 GMT
One thing that might work is prompting EA and BioWare to consider avenues of monetisation that JRPGs employ. Lots of JRPGs that lack online components otherwise, sell small DLC like character skins, "time-saver" items and, in the case of monster-collecting games like Persona 5 and World of Final Fantasy, special monsters for your party that you won't find in-game. Ooooooooh ... Assassin's Creed Odyssey had that whole thing with the XP packs. I don't know if that's a good idea. I wouldn't mind seeing them sell more "stand-alone" stories in the vein of Leliana's Song, though. Well I doubt they would actually do an XP booster. The level cap and number of acquirable skills would need to be significantly higher than it has been in previous Dragon Age games for it to ever be worth it. But I am also a proponent of raising the level cap and allowing me to complete every skill tree and specialisation in my chosen class. Especially if it's a single player game with no online component. Who cares what I do with my copy of the game?
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Post by river82 on Mar 6, 2019 0:50:08 GMT
Jesus christ, knock it off. The only reason anybody comes to any online forum is a lack of better things to do. Am currently desperately looking for ways to increase the health on my magical Templar after they got beaten into the ground over and over yesterday but what I'm certain is an overly smug, fat, winged snake.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 6, 2019 1:10:46 GMT
Then why bemoan others preferring Apex Legends and Fortnite? Actually, this was completely on point even if he didn't mean it to be. People are voting for MP with their dollars and their time.
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