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Post by alanc9 on Mar 13, 2019 4:09:36 GMT
"Inherently wrong" still looks like a stretch. Edit: we can revisit this after the financials are in and we know how badly Anthem failed, if it failed at all. Now, I can't speak for others. But I personally don't give 2 shits about "financials" , why? because for starters I plain don't care (I mean, if EAs CEO was to loose all his money overnight I'd be super happy, but I digress...), but more importantly because it doesn't prove a game is good. Fallout 4 surpased Skyrim in sales astronomically, yet it's the weakest FO game Bethesda ever pulled, and Skyrim was the weakest ES after Red Guard. Yet a game like Dishonored was a bit on the low side financially speaking, even though it was critically acclaimed. In this industry of pre orders and hype and pre marketing no wonder some games still have good sales, because 80% of those were pre orders, and a lot of people don't get refunds (or can't). I don't see new people looking at Anthem right now and saying "yeah, I'm gonna buy this right now". They wait, for all the patches and discounts. Those who already bought it, well, they already bought it. Sales don't always translate in good games. OK. In my case, Anthem is only of interest for its financials and as a matter of game design in the abstract. The genre just isn't my thing. I put in my ten hours thanks to someone here gifting me a week of Access, and it was about what I expected. (I didn't get far enough into it to really experience the boring loot issue.)
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 13, 2019 4:21:51 GMT
Guard is automatic? But yeah, a pure gameplay decision with no real relationship to the lore. It's been awhile, but I thought guard was generated by attacking and using abilities. IOW, by playing. I thought they'd pulled it out in DA2? DAI was the first time they offered it on consoles. Attacking only builds guard if your weapon uses a particular fade-touched material. (Which is really good to have.) A few abilities generate guard too, notably the ones which taunt enemies. Building up guard is about as intentional as putting up a barrier; you have to take and use particular abilities for it. The DA2 tac cam didn't zoom out very far, so people who really liked the iso view were unhappy with it. All I wanted was a camera I could move around, so it got the job done.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 13, 2019 4:40:55 GMT
How many times have people declared Bioware dead or dying already?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 13, 2019 4:50:52 GMT
How many times have people declared Bioware dead or dying already? I believe it has been every single game for over a decade now. ME1, DAO, ME2, DA2, SWTOR, ME3, DAI, MEA, and now Anthem have all been the game that would kill BioWare. And that’s just the ones I know of.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Mar 13, 2019 6:57:39 GMT
Optimist people living at the moment (Carpe Diem) and satisfied by anything mediocre thrown at them vs pessimist/skeptic people looking at the historical trends, facts and the decline in many sections who remember the good ol' products and see through the BS happening among game developers and publishers and even other industries.
We have an perspective divide here.
I also give Bio franchises to Obsidian. At least they can provide something interesting and deep... they can shine and prosper even through early bugs and technical faults.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 13, 2019 8:48:12 GMT
Dragon age 4 really is their last chance,i mean i know people kept saying that for years but really this time they don't have any excuses if DA4 somehow ends up being worse than Anthem then yeah they're done. After that though..I don't know what's gonna happen,a Jade empire sequel maybe ? Heh i'm dreaming but that'd be great. But for now let's just hope they survive long enough to give us DA4. Andromeda was supposed to be their "one more chance" after the whole ME3 stuff. Then Anthem was supposed to be the "one more chance" after MEA. Now after Anthem DA4 is supposed to be the "one more chance". At what point do some people to understand that something is inherently wrong at Bioware? People just love shitty games and will defend their poor games. Fanboyism 101.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 13, 2019 9:23:58 GMT
Andromeda was supposed to be their "one more chance" after the whole ME3 stuff. Then Anthem was supposed to be the "one more chance" after MEA. Now after Anthem DA4 is supposed to be the "one more chance". At what point do some people to understand that something is inherently wrong at Bioware? People just love shitty games and will defend their poor games. Fanboyism 101. Dont worry, Divison 2 will put Anthem to sleep.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 13, 2019 9:28:32 GMT
How many times have people declared Bioware dead or dying already? I believe it has been every single game for over a decade now. ME1, DAO, ME2, DA2, SWTOR, ME3, DAI, MEA, and now Anthem have all been the game that would kill BioWare. And that’s just the ones I know of. Except for that all those games got SP DLC while MEA didnt. Geez I wonder why?
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Post by Sartoz on Mar 13, 2019 9:45:06 GMT
Imagine if this loot crap was actually loot box crap (as the game was originally designed, imo). Add DPS scaling crap on top.
I was surprised at EA's reaction to Andromeda's less than stellar launch. Now, anyone remember how long it took for Big Corp to react? 'Cause right now, it appears Big Corp swallowed a turd.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 13, 2019 10:45:39 GMT
People just love shitty games and will defend their poor games. Fanboyism 101. Dont worry, Divison 2 will put Anthem to sleep. Or Cyberpunk 2077.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 13, 2019 10:50:10 GMT
How many times have people declared Bioware dead or dying already? Because it is? Duh.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Mar 13, 2019 11:06:32 GMT
Dont worry, Divison 2 will put Anthem to sleep. Or Cyberpunk 2077. and possible Borderlands 3 and The Outer Worlds... putting aside the other better multiplayer shooter-looter games already on the market attracting people when the Anthem's honeymoon time is over.
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Post by force58 on Mar 13, 2019 12:36:02 GMT
I was hoping for better than the lamentable poll, but ok.... I would have gone for the option, 'after a shaky start, the game will do great and more GAAS features are a cert for DA4 and beyond'.150 hours in, the game is awesome, but the bugs have been disappointing. Good that most are now resolved. I got my Storm to level 19 before I decided to buy and play Crackdown 3 and Farcry New Dawn. Then I saw the Reddit plea to boycott the game for this week due to the loot nerf's that were discovered. So, I'm still playing New Dawn and figured, why not, I'll NOT play Anthem for the week. Plus, we have The Division 2 coming out on Friday. I'll check back in on Anthem next week as I know there's another patch released. My experience initially was horrific, just like many others. I was on the phone with my ISP and EA Help for longer that the actual game time. Sooooo many server disconnects, lag, AI disappearing, I just couldn't play the game like that. Something happened though about 3 weeks ago and its run so very smooth since then. The only thing I did on my end is add a ranged port of 21000-26000 on my router. I play on Xbox One X so not sure if that mattered or not. Who knows what the issue is/was. I just wish BioWare/EA would tell us what was going on.
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Post by floratheelf on Mar 13, 2019 13:55:41 GMT
People just love shitty games and will defend their poor games. Fanboyism 101. Dont worry, Divison 2 will put Anthem to sleep. Doubtful. Anthem is a fun game.
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Post by cypherj on Mar 13, 2019 14:33:44 GMT
I doubt Bioware as a company will be shuttered. Like I said in a previous post. Mom and Pop Bioware is long gone, replaced by franchised Bioware.
But even if these games are having negative receptions, they're still turning profits. Even if they don't meet the actual expectations. Bioware expected to sell 6 million copies of Anthem in the first couple of weeks. If they only sell five million, they aren't going to pull the plug on it like they did Andromeda, because Anthem was always meant to be a much longer term plan.
Judging by the number of comments here and in other places saying something along the lines of "it's early, they'll fix it, give them time." They don't have to have a great sense or urgency. I think this mindset only encourages companies to release mediocre products and then fix them up later.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 13, 2019 15:05:28 GMT
The good news is I think DA4 is still pretty underdeveloped. Which means they do have time to change things. Problem is: will they? Does EA care enough about negative reviews if microtransaction gave them much more money than the sales of games like ME2 and DA:O, even if those two games were much better? Remains to be seen.
Sometimes I really wish I had the low standards some people do. Playing a game because "it might get better in the future" is something that would be unthinkable in the past (and I still think it's funny today). But Bioware got me used to its' high standards. Bioware was the developer of Dragon Age: Origins and Mass Effect 2, two games I'd rate 10/10. I'm not accepting any shit just because it comes from them. And neither will most players it seems. Two huge failures in a row really pulls the red alert.
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Post by cankiie on Mar 13, 2019 15:11:21 GMT
Playing a game because "it might get better in the future" is something that would be unthinkable in the past The only reason we are where we are today is because of this mindset in the past though Gamers have time and time over many years shown that the quality of the game does not matter at all, the game will be bought regardless of it's quality. And the big publishers and developers won't care about reputation or word-by-mouth because the money they'd lose from people not buying the games, they'll eventually get through microtransactions. Heck, even if a lot people are not even buying these microtransactions, the big publishers will still get a lot of money in from people buying the games with microtransactions, because that 60 dollar times several thousands is still a lot of income... that means the microtransaction-users will have to pay for even less microtransactions in order to make it worth it. If a game that should not have it have microtransactions, the only option is to simply not buy the game at all.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 13, 2019 15:31:03 GMT
Dont worry, Divison 2 will put Anthem to sleep. Doubtful. Anthem is a fun game. Sounds like you live in an alternate reality, have tunnel vision or just displaying denial. This "but Anthem is fun" defense is so weak and just shows how much of a failure Anthem is. Anthem was supposed to be more than fun, it was the Bob "Dylan" of videogames and the game that shows us that MEA was a fluke and not a pattern because it was made by the Bioware A team with 6 years of development. Instead it got Sony offering refunds Instead it got average 60% review scores Instead it players asking for a boycott Instead it got a really poor fan reception Instead it has EA really silent on how it has done post launch. We have player count stats for Apex and yet we have nothing similar for Anthem. YOU and the many others here who are allergic to saying something less than ideal about Bioware will deny deny deny and deny all day. But your denial does not change the current state of things. Just look at the current reception to The Divison 2 beta and early launch......now compare that to Anthem's open bets and early launch. Now with logic explain to me why Anthem will be able to stand toe to toe with Divison 2? This article says it all: www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2019/03/13/the-division-2-is-good-and-that-is-bad-news-for-anthem/#1a334b7e3b80
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Mar 13, 2019 17:29:57 GMT
Doubtful. Anthem is a fun game. Sounds like you live in an alternate reality, have tunnel vision or just displaying denial. This "but Anthem is fun" defense is so weak and just shows how much of a failure Anthem is. Anthem was supposed to be more than fun, it was the Bob "Dylan" of videogames and the game that shows us that MEA was a fluke and not a pattern because it was made by the Bioware A team with 6 years of development. Instead it got Sony offering refunds Instead it got average 60% review scores Instead it players asking for a boycott Instead it got a really poor fan reception Instead it has EA really silent on how it has done post launch. We have player count stats for Apex and yet we have nothing similar for Anthem. YOU and the many others here who are allergic to saying something less than ideal about Bioware will deny deny deny and deny all day. But your denial does not change the current state of things. Just look at the current reception to The Divison 2 beta and early launch......now compare that to Anthem's open bets and early launch. Now with logic explain to me why Anthem will be able to stand toe to toe with Divison 2? This article says it all: www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2019/03/13/the-division-2-is-good-and-that-is-bad-news-for-anthem/#1a334b7e3b80I agree with all you said Maj, you'll know that from my posts, but have you never liked something that's kinda shit? I know I have, regardless of reviews or messy launches. I am super disappointed by Anthem too, but let's not get to the point where people are hesitant to even say they like the game. I think some people are in denial, some genuinely like the game, some hate it, and most are probably just exhausted by this whole experience.
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Post by correctamundo on Mar 13, 2019 17:33:25 GMT
Dont worry, Divison 2 will put Anthem to sleep. Doubtful. Anthem is a fun game. And never a dull moment. 😉 No sleep 'til cataclysm. 😎
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Post by cypherj on Mar 13, 2019 17:43:18 GMT
I agree with all you said Maj, you'll know that from my posts, but have you never liked something that's kinda shit? I know I have, regardless of reviews or messy launches. I am super disappointed by Anthem too, but let's not get to the point where people are hesitant to even say they like the game. I think some people are in denial, some genuinely like the game, some hate it, and most are probably just exhausted by this whole experience.
Well, liking something in spite of it's flaws, and acting like those flaws don't exist are two completely different things.
This game could be bricking peoples' hard drives and some of these people would still be saying that people are overreacting, or that the game isn't getting a fair shake.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 17:58:01 GMT
Maybe I'm weird, but I thought Bioware's main studio was "diagnosed as terminally ill" with ME2. When the game started with Shep's contrived death, the shoehorning with Cerberus and the general meandering with the main plot, I was positive the Bioware of old was dead. Looking back, ME3MP was the only pleasant surprise since 2007. It wasn't made by the main studio either. It seems as though EA agreed with me which is why Montreal got MEA. Problem is that the studio didn't have SP or Frostbite experience. They were the wrong studio for the job. Bioware isn't dead yet, but they've been sick for a very long time. Despite all its glaring storytelling faults, I love ME2! Maybe I give it a pass because I treat it like a side story, inbetween the great reaper war. It enhances my dissappointment with ME3, because they should've learned and improved from ME2, story-wise.
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Post by correctamundo on Mar 13, 2019 18:00:04 GMT
I agree with all you said Maj, you'll know that from my posts, but have you never liked something that's kinda shit? I know I have, regardless of reviews or messy launches. I am super disappointed by Anthem too, but let's not get to the point where people are hesitant to even say they like the game. I think some people are in denial, some genuinely like the game, some hate it, and most are probably just exhausted by this whole experience.
Well, liking something in spite of it's flaws, and acting like those flaws don't exist are two completely different.
This game could be bricking peoples' hard drives and some of these people would still be saying that people are overreacting, or that the game isn't getting a fair shake.
I don't know about bricking but it's clear that Anthem is the cause of world hunger, poverty and widespread unemployment.
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