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Post by midnightwolf on Aug 29, 2019 3:08:21 GMT
But Jaal isn't exclusive. And the fact he was 'patched' to be open to Males...…….I find that disrespectful to his character. Most same-sex options in Andromeda are bi. Only Gil and Suvi are exclusively same-sex. Jaal being made bi was done to address numerous complaints: no same-sex male alien, no same-sex male companion, and partially how poorly written Gil's romance was. Which I believe should not have happened.
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Post by Artemis on Aug 29, 2019 3:13:11 GMT
There's three gay male options in ME:A: Gil, Reyes, and Jaal who was patched in later. But Jaal isn't exclusive. And the fact he was 'patched' to be open to Males...…….I find that disrespectful to his character. lmao Oh right, that's why I have you blocked.
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Post by midnightwolf on Aug 29, 2019 3:14:58 GMT
But Jaal isn't exclusive. And the fact he was 'patched' to be open to Males...…….I find that disrespectful to his character. lmao Oh right, that's why I have you blocked. If you find offence with my reply then stat it! Otherwise, bugger off so people can discuss things in an adult manner! EDIT. PS. I had no idea that you had a problem with me in the first place, so that's on you.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 29, 2019 13:31:09 GMT
But Jaal isn't exclusive. And the fact he was 'patched' to be open to Males...…….I find that disrespectful to his character. (and moving on from the in-thread bickering going on)Given how emotionally well-connected the Angara are, to find that Jaal is bi is entirely lore and character consistent and fully appropriate in my view. I'm enjoying the Jaal romance in my current Sara playthrough, but I'm pleased that everyone can choose this romance if they wish. Jaal is awesome.
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 29, 2019 13:37:26 GMT
But Jaal isn't exclusive. And the fact he was 'patched' to be open to Males...…….I find that disrespectful to his character. (and moving on from the in-thread bickering going on)Given how emotionally well-connected the Angara are, to find that Jaal is bi is entirely lore and character consistent and fully appropriate in my view. I'm enjoying the Jaal romance in my current Sara playthrough, but I'm pleased that everyone can choose this romance if they wish. Jaal is awesome. I was very surprised Jaal wasn't available to romance Scott from the get go. It's not often a character 'feels' bisexual in and of themselves, but the friendship with Scott had that 'could be more' vibe. He is my favourite romance for Sara, there's something about the way that as an Angara the romance is different enough to be exciting but similar enough to be comfortable and emotional. I think it helps that his VA was brilliant.
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Post by Artemis on Aug 29, 2019 15:46:02 GMT
(and moving on from the in-thread bickering going on)Given how emotionally well-connected the Angara are, to find that Jaal is bi is entirely lore and character consistent and fully appropriate in my view. I'm enjoying the Jaal romance in my current Sara playthrough, but I'm pleased that everyone can choose this romance if they wish. Jaal is awesome. I was very surprised Jaal wasn't available to romance Scott from the get go. It's not often a character 'feels' bisexual in and of themselves, but the friendship with Scott had that 'could be more' vibe. He is my favourite romance for Sara, there's something about the way that as an Angara the romance is different enough to be exciting but similar enough to be comfortable and emotional. I think it helps that his VA was brilliant. "feels" bisexual ... um, what exactly does that mean? I really feel like people don't understand sexuality on this forum. It's just a literal preference. It has nothing to do with species or personality or gender or anything like that. It's who you're attracted to, the end. And since these are all pixels and coding, they can be attracted to whomever the writers decide they're attracted to. Also the reason he was cut from being bi is probably the same reason devs cut: Thane, Tali, Kaidan, Cullen, Solas, and whomever else I'm missing. And I think we all know the answer to that. (For instance, name a character that was "cut from being bi" and left as gay. Hmm. Interesting, that never seems to happen.)
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 29, 2019 16:19:08 GMT
I was very surprised Jaal wasn't available to romance Scott from the get go. It's not often a character 'feels' bisexual in and of themselves, but the friendship with Scott had that 'could be more' vibe. He is my favourite romance for Sara, there's something about the way that as an Angara the romance is different enough to be exciting but similar enough to be comfortable and emotional. I think it helps that his VA was brilliant. "feels" bisexual ... um, what exactly does that mean? I really feel like people don't understand sexuality on this forum. It's just a literal preference. It has nothing to do with species or personality or gender or anything like that. It's who you're attracted to, the end. And since these are all pixels and coding, they can be attracted to whomever the writers decide they're attracted to. Also the reason he was cut from being bi is probably the same reason devs cut: Thane, Tali, Kaidan, Cullen, Solas, and whomever else I'm missing. And I think we all know the answer to that. (For instance, name a character that was "cut from being bi" and left as gay. Hmm. Interesting, that never seems to happen.) Feels bisexual as in is written equally sensually with both male and female Ryders. And he pings my gaydar. I'm pretty well versed in the nuance of representations of my sexuality in both media and real life. Jaal's sexuality as clearly cut and restored, as opposed to shoed into a straightly written male.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 29, 2019 16:22:37 GMT
"feels" bisexual ... um, what exactly does that mean? I really feel like people don't understand sexuality on this forum. It's just a literal preference. It has nothing to do with species or personality or gender or anything like that. It's who you're attracted to, the end. And since these are all pixels and coding, they can be attracted to whomever the writers decide they're attracted to. Also the reason he was cut from being bi is probably the same reason devs cut: Thane, Tali, Kaidan, Cullen, Solas, and whomever else I'm missing. And I think we all know the answer to that. (For instance, name a character that was "cut from being bi" and left as gay. Hmm. Interesting, that never seems to happen.) Feels bisexual as in is written equally sensually with both male and female Ryders. And he pings my gaydar. I'm pretty well versed in the nuance of representations of my sexuality in both media and real life. Jaal's sexuality as clearly cut and restored, as opposed to shoed into a straightly written male.
Jaal is a cat-squid, what is "sensual" about that!?
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 29, 2019 16:29:04 GMT
Feels bisexual as in is written equally sensually with both male and female Ryders. And he pings my gaydar. I'm pretty well versed in the nuance of representations of my sexuality in both media and real life. Jaal's sexuality as clearly cut and restored, as opposed to shoed into a straightly written male.
Jaal is a cat-squid, what is "sensual" about that!? To be fair, if his appearance makes you squick then it wouldn't matter even if he recited Keats at you, he's probably not going to sweep you off your feet!
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Post by Artemis on Aug 29, 2019 16:39:49 GMT
Jaal is a cat-squid, what is "sensual" about that!? To be fair, if his appearance makes you squick then it wouldn't matter even if he recited Keats at you, he's probably not going to sweep you off your feet! Keats though! Wouldn't that make you fall asleep Maybe Barrett Browning
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 29, 2019 16:43:24 GMT
To be fair, if his appearance makes you squick then it wouldn't matter even if he recited Keats at you, he's probably not going to sweep you off your feet! Keats though! Wouldn't that make you fall asleep Maybe Barrett Browning Fuck yes, always loved a bit of Browning. Was going to incorporate sonnet 43 into my wedding vows but went in a different direction.
(Picked Keats to be an easy reference).
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Post by melbella on Aug 30, 2019 1:28:41 GMT
Jaal is a cat-squid, what is "sensual" about that!? Nothing, for me. I liked him in my first game and then romanced him as Sara in game 2 and it was awful. Hated it, and now I hate him. The romance was just so insulting and I much prefer Liam or Reyes for Sara. I won't waste my time romancing Jaal as Scott. Give me Reyes or Gil (or Cora) any day. They may lack content (Reyes), have a shitty storyline (Gil), or be stupidly obsessed with asari (you know who) but at least they don't make me sick.
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Post by helios969 on Aug 30, 2019 7:01:18 GMT
Andromeda had better/meaningful side quests then DAI. 50 hours is always better then a 100 hours that seem meaningless. I'll give you that (although I still found them mostly tedious) but they weren't so much better to offset DAI's superior 25 hour main story to MEA's marginal 5...not to mention DAI's 3 DLC's to MEA's how many was it again? Yeah, zero. MEA's saving grace was it's superb combat system and racing around on the Nomad like a maniac. So maybe if they can give me the horse equivalent to the Nomad that might be something I'd like to see carried over.
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Post by midnightwolf on Sept 2, 2019 16:29:56 GMT
But Jaal isn't exclusive. And the fact he was 'patched' to be open to Males...…….I find that disrespectful to his character. (and moving on from the in-thread bickering going on)Given how emotionally well-connected the Angara are, to find that Jaal is bi is entirely lore and character consistent and fully appropriate in my view. I'm enjoying the Jaal romance in my current Sara playthrough, but I'm pleased that everyone can choose this romance if they wish. Jaal is awesome. Your idea of 'bickering' is clearly different to mine.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 2, 2019 16:35:05 GMT
(and moving on from the in-thread bickering going on)Given how emotionally well-connected the Angara are, to find that Jaal is bi is entirely lore and character consistent and fully appropriate in my view. I'm enjoying the Jaal romance in my current Sara playthrough, but I'm pleased that everyone can choose this romance if they wish. Jaal is awesome. Your idea of 'bickering' is clearly different to mine. Bickering= "disagreeing with my pov"
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Post by midnightwolf on Sept 2, 2019 16:40:21 GMT
Your idea of 'bickering' is clearly different to mine. Bickering= "disagreeing with my pov" Ah. So I must act the sheep. Thanks for the tip Mate
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Post by vertigomez on Sept 2, 2019 17:00:07 GMT
Andromeda gave me a tol protective-but-vulnerable soldier wife who burnt my dinner and then boffed the hunger away. 👌 I wouldn't mind experiencing the DA version of that!
One thing I really liked - which probably wouldn't work with multiple races, alas - was that our possible protagonists were siblings, and whichever one wasn't the protagonist still had their own role in the story. That was really neat. I'd have loved to have Garrett and Marian Hawke in the same playthrough. Though I guess they could go with an Origins approach, since the would-be Wardens we didn't choose still have stuff happen to them on the sidelines.... but they don't become major characters like the other Ryder twin.
I also liked Andromeda's dialogue wheel with the emotional/logical responses. And I absolutely loved Fryda Wolff and Tom Taylorson's VA work.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Sept 4, 2019 20:36:13 GMT
I want more love scenes like MEA had with cora and jaal and pee wee. It's a rated M game after all. I wasn't a big fan of the combat in MEA so I can't ask for that stuff. I would like them to bring back a vehicle but to actually give it a gun on top.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Sept 4, 2019 20:44:21 GMT
Jaal is a cat-squid, what is "sensual" about that!? Nothing, for me. I liked him in my first game and then romanced him as Sara in game 2 and it was awful. Hated it, and now I hate him. The romance was just so insulting and I much prefer Liam or Reyes for Sara. I won't waste my time romancing Jaal as Scott. Give me Reyes or Gil (or Cora) any day. They may lack content (Reyes), have a shitty storyline (Gil), or be stupidly obsessed with asari (you know who) but at least they don't make me sick. cora's romance was awesome. And I am not just saying that because of the sex scene. However her being obsessed with asari (though I don't think it's quite obsession) makes some sense since she is a powerful biotic and loves to use them and thus being very interested in a race who uses biotics for so many things and embraces it makes sense. Remember at this time (well during ME1 and such in the milky way) according to the codex most human biotics are still seen as weird and are really only welcomed completely by the military and mercenary companies. The asari on the other hand embrace it completly.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 4, 2019 20:48:52 GMT
I want more love scenes like MEA had with cora and jaal and pee wee. It's a rated M game after all. I wasn't a big fan of the combat in MEA so I can't ask for that stuff. I would like them to bring back a vehicle but to actually give it a gun on top. Ugh, I would put those scenes waaaaaaaaaaay down on the priorities list. There are far more important things zots could be spent on than mocapping sex scenes.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 4, 2019 21:19:04 GMT
I want more love scenes like MEA had with cora and jaal and pee wee. It's a rated M game after all. I wasn't a big fan of the combat in MEA so I can't ask for that stuff. I would like them to bring back a vehicle but to actually give it a gun on top. The only scene from those romances I want BioWare to have more of in DA4 is this one:
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Post by colfoley on Sept 4, 2019 23:07:58 GMT
I agree. There is a lot that can be said about a character role playing wise if they do...or do not...want sexual interourse with their subordinates even if they are involved. A lot that can be said...so I do appreciate...not saying every character should have the option because these characters are their own people so some of them might be really into sex for their own reasons, but as a player character I don't think I mind it at all that BioWare devote some resources to having romances that are just the cuddles. And yes the Cora romance scene was super sweet.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Sept 7, 2019 2:48:38 GMT
I want more love scenes like MEA had with cora and jaal and pee wee. It's a rated M game after all. I wasn't a big fan of the combat in MEA so I can't ask for that stuff. I would like them to bring back a vehicle but to actually give it a gun on top. The only scene from those romances I want BioWare to have more of in DA4 is this one: That's fine you can have that if we get the OPTION of the other scene too.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Sept 7, 2019 2:50:58 GMT
I want more love scenes like MEA had with cora and jaal and pee wee. It's a rated M game after all. I wasn't a big fan of the combat in MEA so I can't ask for that stuff. I would like them to bring back a vehicle but to actually give it a gun on top. Ugh, I would put those scenes waaaaaaaaaaay down on the priorities list. There are far more important things zots could be spent on than mocapping sex scenes. Here is the thing I think they should have them because it feels more real. And the underwear sex scenes in DAO should be avoided at all costs. And no it shouldn't be something you have to do but it should be an option.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 7, 2019 2:54:40 GMT
The only scene from those romances I want BioWare to have more of in DA4 is this one: That's fine you can have that if we get the OPTION of the other scene too. Some can have the option for both, but I would like one or two to have this be the only route like Josephine in DAI.
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