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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Aug 29, 2020 14:56:29 GMT
Egghead wants to commit genocide on my people. Egghead must die.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 29, 2020 15:03:52 GMT
And that's if whatever he did to make himself immortal (or at least stop himself from aging at all since the days of Arlathan) doesn't come with immunity to it in the first place. That's true, plus whatever he took on from Mythal. If you have a spirit actually inside you, can you in fact be made tranquil? Karl said to Anders that he had brought a piece of the Fade with him after Justice had emerged. To be honest, though, I think they haven't totally thought through their lore with regard to the effect of spirits on tranquillity. If the lyrium brand is anything more than simply a fancy marking, then even if a spirit does temporarily by-pass it by touching their mind, once it withdraws again, they should return to being tranquil, as Karl in fact did. Pharamond was "cured" by being possessed but I'm still unclear why that was permanent once the demon was removed because surely the lyrium brand was still there? May be the demon removed it in the same way that Solas can remove vallaslin. Then there is Cassandra and the means of acquiring Seeker powers. Clearly it is a self-imposed mimicking of tranquillity or temporarily imposed barrier or she would still have the brand. However, the spirit must remain in contact with the mind or how do Seekers continued to exhibit their powers through one touch alone? Anyway, if Solas wasn't made effectively tranquil by the Veil, as he claims most other elves were, then I doubt any agency in the Waking World could achieve that now. A fellow Evanuris, though, might be capable of doing something similar. Based on Solas' own approach to revenge, I think they would feel that death just wasn't good enough vengeance for what he did to them, even if they did know the means of killing him.
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Post by ClarkKent on Aug 29, 2020 15:08:56 GMT
I never understood popularity with "making Solas tranquil". Seems unnecessarily cruel to me. Just kill him, if you don't see the appeal in redemption. Solas could be more useful as a Tranquil enchanter in life than as some Martyr in death.
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Post by Hrungr on Aug 29, 2020 15:12:10 GMT
Marry? Kill? Both? I just want my T4 Armor back - that shit wasn't cheap!
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Post by telanadas on Aug 29, 2020 15:30:32 GMT
Still, I'd really love to be able to defeat Solas with logic. He seems so sure that he knows more than everyone else, mostly because he deliberately keeps back important details, that I'd get a real satisfaction from proving him wrong that way. I agree and would love to see this weaved in if it fit the story, especially since he seems the the type of character you can spar with both physically and philosophically. Imagine an epic war of words like Olenna vs. Tywin in GoT. I know boss battles are epic and all but hey, why not both. Anyway for me, it's hard to even consider redeeming Solas right now when he's given us no reason to thus far. The inquisitor loses their hand because of his actions without much of an explanation too. He only tells us the bare minimum, he even looked like he prepared answers beforehand at the end of Trespasser. We still don't yet know how much of the world he is actually saving, and the people he's actually looking out for. Or even the cost to achieve his goals, because to him his agents are all just pawns. On the other hand, the companions in the Inquisition knew him as a friend once, and ironically it was probably one of the only times in his life he felt like he didn't have to resort to posturing and relying on his dread wolf persona. In some ways he was free to just be himself, the unwashed apostate hobo that he was. So in that way I can see how redeeming him would make a lot of sense, especially if the Inquisitor was previously at a friendship/lover level with him. They did mention DA4 was focusing on friendship and family so I'm expecting that theme to carry through to DA4 from our decisions in Inquisition, and hopefully we can use that to affect his actions. My canon is to redeem Solas so that is obviously what I intend to do first.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 29, 2020 15:32:37 GMT
If we wish to write him out of existence, like he was never born, does it still count as killing?
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Post by phoray on Aug 29, 2020 15:38:43 GMT
At the end of Trespasser, I still had faith in Solas. He was my friend and he was on the wrong path.
But then I read the Dread Wolf story in Tevinter Nights. I the player lost faith. And my Inky knows as well, what happened. The merciless cold slaughter. The begging of my own agent for her life.
He's now in my kill sights.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Aug 29, 2020 15:51:25 GMT
At the end of Trespasser, I still had faith in Solas. He was my friend and he was on the wrong path. But then I read the Dread Wolf story in Tevinter Nights. I the player lost faith. And my Inky knows as well, what happened. The merciless cold slaughter. The begging of my own agent for her life. He's now in my kill sights. I understand this view, and it is totally legitimate. But for my Inky, it is the complete opposite. She loves Solas, even if she doesn't particularly agree with his life choices right now. She doesn't intend to abandon him just because things got rough. Now she just has to fight that much harder to save him. Not that it matters, since only one of the poll options is likely to be honored anyway.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Aug 29, 2020 16:08:07 GMT
Marry? Kill? Both? I just want my T4 Armor back - that shit wasn't cheap! I'd like to see the stats of how many 1st run players replayed the final boss mission, just to get their stuff back from the Egg.
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Post by Gwydden on Aug 29, 2020 16:19:33 GMT
She loves Solas, even if she doesn't particularly agree with his life choices right now. She doesn't intend to abandon him just because things got rough. Now she just has to fight that much harder to save him. This makes it sound like he quit his job to pursue his dream of writing the next Great Thedosian Novel full time, not like he's planning to commit genocide on a global scale
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Post by wright1978 on Aug 29, 2020 16:24:53 GMT
She loves Solas, even if she doesn't particularly agree with his life choices right now. She doesn't intend to abandon him just because things got rough. Now she just has to fight that much harder to save him. This makes it sound like he quit his job to pursue his dream of writing the next Great Thedosian Novel full time, not like he's planning to commit genocide on a global scale His time with the inquisition was more like a sabbatical from his day job of genocide.
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Post by phoray on Aug 29, 2020 16:30:58 GMT
Gwydden ya, I don't get it. I don't know if anyone else is aware of the Sailor Moon anime plotline, but Sailor Moon was primarily a pascifist. Really tried to friendship/save her way through the Galaxy if she could possibly manage it. I adored the show, until the final series. Sailor Moon faced off against Sailor Galaxia. Galaxia laid waste to all of Japan. Then possibly by association, literally the whole of Earth. Then killed her best friends, her fellow Sailor Scouts. And she wasn't just killing them to kill them, she was trying to emotionally break Sailor Moon's mind for plot reasons irrelevant to discussion. Then she killed her lover, future husband, and by association, her own daugter disappeared from existence. And still, she cried, and said she believed there was love in Galaxia's heart and so she could not kill Galaxia. Not for any reason, even the death of literally everyone she ever knew and the entirety of Earth.That was some bullshit. There is a line that gets crossed at some point, no matter your beliefs. Sailor Moon should have killed Galaxia before it got that far. And people who love Solas should put him down before he kills millions as well.
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Post by xerrai on Aug 29, 2020 17:20:00 GMT
I never understood popularity with "making Solas tranquil". Seems unnecessarily cruel to me. Just kill him, if you don't see the appeal in redemption. Solas could be more useful as a Tranquil enchanter in life than as some Martyr in death. But that assumes a tranquil Solas would even be interested in anything like enchanting. The tranquil only stay in the Circles because they know no other alternative. Or rather, they think all alternatives are less beneficial to them than simply staying put. They stay in the Circle because they know the Circle, and most probably understand that if they leave no one is going to want to deal with them. They enchant because it is function that they can reliably perform and allows them to operate in a way that allows thier needs to be met (i.e. food, shelter, education). But we know from tranquil like Maddox that even tranquil can dedicate themselves to a cause or a person. Even to the point of suicide. And tranquil like Helisma and Clemence serve as examples of tranquil being able to become experts in fields that are not enchanting. All that is required is sufficient reasoning and presumably someone who is willing to deal with a tranquil's nonexistent social ability. A tranquil Solas? With his contacts and knowledge, a tranquil Solas can easily become a problem if he is allowed to operate as he sees fit. Or even just operate as a Circle enchanter. The Chantry and Circles are all too willing to see tranquil as nothing more than a mindless drone. A husk that is incapable of thinking for itself unless ordered to. Solas would just do his charged duties, play on thier assumptions, research what he needs to research....and all the while he could be setting his plans into motion. He could set up agents. He could establish an information network. He could even continue pursuing his original goal if the logic and reasoning is sufficient. The only thing he couldn't do is use magic. Unless we are absolutely sure that making him tranquil will erase any and all motivation to pursue a drastic cause, making him tranquil doesn't guarantee us anything.
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Post by ClarkKent on Aug 29, 2020 18:23:27 GMT
Solas could be more useful as a Tranquil enchanter in life than as some Martyr in death. But that assumes a tranquil Solas would even be interested in anything like enchanting. The tranquil only stay in the Circles because they know no other alternative. Or rather, they think all alternatives are less beneficial to them than simply staying put. They stay in the Circle because they know the Circle, and most probably understand that if they leave no one is going to want to deal with them. They enchant because it is function that they can reliably perform and allows them to operate in a way that allows thier needs to be met (i.e. food, shelter, education). But we know from tranquil like Maddox that even tranquil can dedicate themselves to a cause or a person. Even to the point of suicide. And tranquil like Helisma and Clemence serve as examples of tranquil being able to become experts in fields that are not enchanting. All that is required is sufficient reasoning and presumably someone who is willing to deal with a tranquil's nonexistent social ability. A tranquil Solas? With his contacts and knowledge, a tranquil Solas can easily become a problem if he is allowed to operate as he sees fit. Or even just operate as a Circle enchanter. The Chantry and Circles are all too willing to see tranquil as nothing more than a mindless drone. A husk that is incapable of thinking for itself unless ordered to. Solas would just do his charged duties, play on thier assumptions, research what he needs to research....and all the while he could be setting his plans into motion. He could set up agents. He could establish an information network. He could even continue pursuing his original goal if the logic and reasoning is sufficient. The only thing he couldn't do is use magic. Unless we are absolutely sure that making him tranquil will erase any and all motivation to pursue a drastic cause, making him tranquil doesn't guarantee us anything. You make some good points. Yeah, I wouldn't give a tranquil Solas the lay of the land. I would give him the relevant materials for enchanting. In truth all solutions have their uncertainties. You kill him? He could come back. You think you've philosophised him to death? No you haven't - he's just tricking you. Tranquillity gives us a way to keep an eye on him while also using Solas' power in a productive way.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 29, 2020 18:33:13 GMT
I still hope there is an opportunity to lock him in the same inescapable realm he locked the Evanuris. After all he too killed Mythal now, and as he said “an eternity of torment is the only fitting punishment.” Plus I’m sure the Evanuris will be delighted to see him again.
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Post by KingDarious BBB on Aug 29, 2020 19:13:59 GMT
I'm cracking that egg no matter the costs.
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Post by Zemgus on Aug 29, 2020 19:44:27 GMT
Both. My canon Lavellan wants to save him no matter the cost and all my other Inquisitors want to see him dead.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Aug 30, 2020 1:58:34 GMT
Gwydden ya, I don't get it. I don't know if anyone else is aware of the Sailor Moon anime plotline, but Sailor Moon was primarily a pascifist. Really tried to friendship/save her way through the Galaxy if she could possibly manage it. I adored the show, until the final series. Sailor Moon faced off against Sailor Galaxia. Galaxia laid waste to all of Japan. Then possibly by association, literally the whole of Earth. Then killed her best friends, her fellow Sailor Scouts. And she wasn't just killing them to kill them, she was trying to emotionally break Sailor Moon's mind for plot reasons irrelevant to discussion. Then she killed her lover, future husband, and by association, her own daugter disappeared from existence. And still, she cried, and said she believed there was love in Galaxia's heart and so she could not kill Galaxia. Not for any reason, even the death of literally everyone she ever knew and the entirety of Earth.That was some bullshit. There is a line that gets crossed at some point, no matter your beliefs. Sailor Moon should have killed Galaxia before it got that far. And people who love Solas should put him down before he kills millions as well. I don't think you need to worry about things getting that ridiculous. The last line an Inquisitor who wants to save Solas speaks in the Post-Credits scene is "We will save our friend from himself, if we can." So the Inquisitor is well aware that they might not be able to talk Solas down, and I can't imagine they're just going to let the world be destroyed if they can't.
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Post by phoray on Aug 30, 2020 2:06:30 GMT
Gwydden ya, I don't get it. I don't know if anyone else is aware of the Sailor Moon anime plotline, but Sailor Moon was primarily a pascifist. Really tried to friendship/save her way through the Galaxy if she could possibly manage it. I adored the show, until the final series. Sailor Moon faced off against Sailor Galaxia. Galaxia laid waste to all of Japan. Then possibly by association, literally the whole of Earth. Then killed her best friends, her fellow Sailor Scouts. And she wasn't just killing them to kill them, she was trying to emotionally break Sailor Moon's mind for plot reasons irrelevant to discussion. Then she killed her lover, future husband, and by association, her own daugter disappeared from existence. And still, she cried, and said she believed there was love in Galaxia's heart and so she could not kill Galaxia. Not for any reason, even the death of literally everyone she ever knew and the entirety of Earth.That was some bullshit. There is a line that gets crossed at some point, no matter your beliefs. Sailor Moon should have killed Galaxia before it got that far. And people who love Solas should put him down before he kills millions as well. I don't think you need to worry about things getting that ridiculous. The last line an Inquisitor who wants to save Solas speaks in the Post-Credits scene is "We will save our friend from himself, if we can." So the Inquisitor is well aware that they might not be able to talk Solas down, and I can't imagine they're just going to let the world be destroyed if they can't. The concern was not that Bioware would write it out that way, it's that fans think way. ( I understand that there is some distance from a true reality here, but I can only go so far in a fiction myself before I'm like, ya, no.)
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Aug 30, 2020 5:47:19 GMT
Pff... i wouldn't mind adding another random ass skelethon into a random ass place with a random ass cheese wheel to Theadas... But, my canon inqui did swore to mend his ways, so... to a social rehabilitation center it is...?
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 30, 2020 6:15:44 GMT
She loves Solas, even if she doesn't particularly agree with his life choices right now. She doesn't intend to abandon him just because things got rough. Now she just has to fight that much harder to save him. This makes it sound like he quit his job to pursue his dream of writing the next Great Thedosian Novel full time, not like he's planning to commit genocide on a global scale Once he's eliminated all distractions in a hail of fire and brimstone, THEN he can finally really knuckle down.
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Post by Rascoth on Aug 30, 2020 9:59:09 GMT
My Inquisitors are mixed bag between redeeming him and stopping him. There's one hell bend on chopping his head off, one that'd try to talk him out of whatever he's doing as long as they can, but most of them are in the middle - they made decision to either stop or redeem him at the end of Trespasser, but it can change depending on what they learn.
That's what I'd like to see. Our Trespasser decision having some impact, maybe on dialogue or possible quests, but in the end having this option presented again, with all new knowledge we accumulated, without having to tamper with our original DAI world state. Unless BioWare makes that decision for us...
Funnily enough, my romanced Lavellan that I might bring into DA4 is leaning toward sinking her dual blades into his back, so no marrying.
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Post by TabithaTH on Aug 30, 2020 9:59:22 GMT
At the end of Trespasser, I still had faith in Solas. He was my friend and he was on the wrong path. But then I read the Dread Wolf story in Tevinter Nights. I the player lost faith. And my Inky knows as well, what happened. The merciless cold slaughter. The begging of my own agent for her life. He's now in my kill sights. I will still go for both options if given the chance. However, depending on how they present him in game, I as the player am also leaning more towards stop at all costs. For me it was in Half up Front. If it truely was Solas' plan and not a rogue agent. That was where I felt like he was no longer the Solas I had gotten to know in DAI.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Aug 30, 2020 10:28:06 GMT
My Inquisitors are mixed bag between redeeming him and stopping him. There's one hell bend on chopping his head off, one that'd try to talk him out of whatever he's doing as long as they can, but most of them are in the middle - they made decision to either stop or redeem him at the end of Trespasser, but it can change depending on what they learn. That's what I'd like to see. Our Trespasser decision having some impact, maybe on dialogue or possible quests, but in the end having this option presented again, with all new knowledge we accumulated, without having to tamper with our original DAI world state. Unless BioWare makes that decision for us... That would be a good system... but I don't expect they'll do it that way. I think that either the Inquisitor will stick to their preferred solution all game, or Solas will wind up doing something so heinous during TDWR that even the Inquisitors who said "redeem" will give up hope and advise the new PC to just kill him. (Although I'm still not sure it would be mandatory, even then.) Why not both?
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Post by Rascoth on Aug 30, 2020 10:50:21 GMT
My Inquisitors are mixed bag between redeeming him and stopping him. There's one hell bend on chopping his head off, one that'd try to talk him out of whatever he's doing as long as they can, but most of them are in the middle - they made decision to either stop or redeem him at the end of Trespasser, but it can change depending on what they learn. That's what I'd like to see. Our Trespasser decision having some impact, maybe on dialogue or possible quests, but in the end having this option presented again, with all new knowledge we accumulated, without having to tamper with our original DAI world state. Unless BioWare makes that decision for us... That would be a good system... but I don't expect they'll do it that way. I think that either the Inquisitor will stick to their preferred solution all game, or Solas will wind up doing something so heinous during TDWR that even the Inquisitors who said "redeem" will give up hope and advise the new PC to just kill him. (Although I'm still not sure it would be mandatory, even then.) It wouldn't be the first time dialogue and/or quests are unlocked based on our choices from previous games, but yea, I don't think that's going to happen this time. One can dream though, right? True, though I don't think she'd want to become a widow so soon
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