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Post by azarhal on Aug 31, 2020 15:14:35 GMT
Even when you have high approval with him, the highest compliment he can manage is "you aren't like other girls". Yes, that compliment that is really a thinly veiled insult. You seem special, could it be because of that (my) anchor? No? How did you turn out so well when raised by the Dalish (or insert other race here)? Could I have misjudged them? You don't seem like an almost tranquil non-person (okay so he didn't say that bit but I'm sure he thought it) After reading that I kinda want to replay DAI as a Dalish who will punch Solas because of low approval...
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Post by arvaarad on Aug 31, 2020 15:23:09 GMT
Arvaarad for lead writer pls. I *want* magic to return to Thedas, but I do not remotely understand the appeal of Solas as a character. Everything that comes out of his mouth is total Incel/Boomer rhetoric, draped in a thin veneer of fantasy language. Even when you have high approval with him, the highest compliment he can manage is "you aren't like other girls". And his "all my friends are dead" shtick loses much of its alluring gloss upon learning that he deliberately created that situation himself. Plus, he's not even hot. For the inquisitors who befriended him, it was basically just to pump him for info about spirits. But, in fairness, that’s also how my friendships work in real life. I don’t like (or dislike) people so much as I like deep-diving into topics we’re both interested in. Maybe for that reason, I didn’t read his statements as manipulative, but as genuine “hey, finally someone wants to talk about my special interests with me!” relief. I can see how they could sound kind of incel-y though.
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Post by Solas on Aug 31, 2020 15:57:31 GMT
I'm just saying the fact that I can't think how to kill him doesn't necessarily mean it can't be done. Hm. This might be overthinking it, but I wonder if this is why he told the Inquisitor all that info, even if he hates them. The agents of Fen’Harel probably also have spies among them. People loyal to the evanuris. If Solas were to seriously research how to deal with the other gods, or start making moves to do so, they might be alerted. But the fact that he doesn’t yet know how to deal with them doesn’t necessarily mean it can’t be done.And what if there’s a separate organization? One focused on taking out only one god. A god that all the others would rather see gone. The evanuris might not bother to infiltrate that organization. Besides, Solas has made the shadow Inquisition hyper-paranoid of infiltration. They might be able to ask the question “how do you stop a god?” without raising any alarm bells among the evanuris. The shadow Inquisition is a slow arrow, and right now he’s the one standing underneath it. But if he just scoots a liiiiittle bit to the left, maybe... it’ll hit something else. ooooooooooohhh
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 31, 2020 16:09:18 GMT
Arvaarad for lead writer pls. I *want* magic to return to Thedas, but I do not remotely understand the appeal of Solas as a character. Everything that comes out of his mouth is total Incel/Boomer rhetoric, draped in a thin veneer of fantasy language. Even when you have high approval with him, the highest compliment he can manage is "you aren't like other girls". And his "all my friends are dead" shtick loses much of its alluring gloss upon learning that he deliberately created that situation himself. Plus, he's not even hot. For the inquisitors who befriended him, it was basically just to pump him for info about spirits. But, in fairness, that’s also how my friendships work in real life. I don’t like (or dislike) people so much as I like deep-diving into topics we’re both interested in. Maybe for that reason, I didn’t read his statements as manipulative, but as genuine “hey, finally someone wants to talk about my special interests with me!” relief. I can see how they could sound kind of incel-y though. I befriended him too, because I usually befriend everyone, and aside from the whole... you know, destroy the world thing, which I/my Inquisitor didn't know about at the time, he's far from the most reprehensible member of the party *cough*Vivienne*cough*. I just find him to be arrogant and condescending, and I do not see what people find so romantic about him. I always played a male so I haven't seen the romance scenes anyway, but his attitude is offputting. I wouldn't hang out with a guy like him in real life. And with his stupid plans and rants about the good old days, I don't see a brooding, tortured soul. I see a racist old grandpa who wants segregation back in schools. Honestly, the nature of his character is a big part of why I don't want the Inquisitor to come back. Firstly, as the only person Solas remotely respects or considers a threat, it made zero sense to let the Inquisitor live in the first place. I can accept that this might be a case of feelings triumphing over reason, but the minute he got wind of the Inquisitor continuing to interfere (and he WOULD get wind, because he has power and resources at his disposal that we can only imagine) he could just... turn the Inquisitor and all his allies into statues with the blink of an eye. Without the introduction of a new mcguffin (which would be lame), the obvious solution is to bring in a hitherto unkown, someone Solas would overlook. Secondly, Solas' great flaw (as I see it) is his overwhelming arrogance. Being beaten at his own game because he was too smug to think anyone BUT the Inquisitor could challenge him would be the most narratively fitting and poetic end for him in my opinion. Not to mention very satisfying for me, personally. I can think of no better comeuppance than denying him the satisfaction of an epic duel with his great rival. Thirdly, big standoffs between fated rivals are just lame and overdone, and don't make any sense. "I have to face him alone", "we're not so different you and I", "hold still a moment and undergo a moral crisis because I made an absurd, bad faith argument about how killing me, a perpetrator of genocide, would be just as bad as me commiting said genocide. Whoops, it was all a ploy to distract you and needlessly drag out the climax for another 10-15 minutes".
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Post by XJlock on Aug 31, 2020 19:07:04 GMT
I chose the option to kill him so that the many companions alongside us and the playable protagonists escape perdition.
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Post by ellawyn on Aug 31, 2020 19:16:49 GMT
I just find him to be arrogant and condescending, and I do not see what people find so romantic about him. I always played a male so I haven't seen the romance scenes anyway, but his attitude is offputting. I wouldn't hang out with a guy like him in real life. And with his stupid plans and rants about the good old days, I don't see a brooding, tortured soul. I see a racist old grandpa who wants segregation back in schools. I mean, technically he's extremely anti-segregation. I mean, that's what the Veil is doing. Segregating the physical world and the Fade. That being said - I also probably wouldn't hang out with him in real life. I'm invested in him as a character (And his romance by extension.) but if I knew the dude personally I don't think we'd be friends. I just think he has a good bit of complexity - and I also think it's reductive to call him racist or genocidal and move on. He came from a world where everyone was immortal, where old age and disease didn't exist. Of course he's going to assign a lesser value to mortal lives - to him, they're all nearly dead anyway. Their natural lives will go for, what, a century? If they're lucky? That's nothing to a people who lived for thousands of years. This is not minding at all the stuff about spirits, or the theory that bring the Veil down will restore the elves. That's what makes him compelling to me. He's an asshole, but his perspective isn't without merit. The world he wants very well could be better than the one that currently exists - it's just that the price to achieve it is too steep to pay.
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Post by Croatsky on Aug 31, 2020 21:05:36 GMT
I'll kill him with love!
Yes I voted both.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Sept 1, 2020 0:38:46 GMT
I just find him to be arrogant and condescending, and I do not see what people find so romantic about him. I always played a male so I haven't seen the romance scenes anyway, but his attitude is offputting. I wouldn't hang out with a guy like him in real life. And with his stupid plans and rants about the good old days, I don't see a brooding, tortured soul. I see a racist old grandpa who wants segregation back in schools. I mean, technically he's extremely anti-segregation. I mean, that's what the Veil is doing. Segregating the physical world and the Fade. That being said - I also probably wouldn't hang out with him in real life. I'm invested in him as a character (And his romance by extension.) but if I knew the dude personally I don't think we'd be friends. I just think he has a good bit of complexity - and I also think it's reductive to call him racist or genocidal and move on. He came from a world where everyone was immortal, where old age and disease didn't exist. Of course he's going to assign a lesser value to mortal lives - to him, they're all nearly dead anyway. Their natural lives will go for, what, a century? If they're lucky? That's nothing to a people who lived for thousands of years. This is not minding at all the stuff about spirits, or the theory that bring the Veil down will restore the elves. That's what makes him compelling to me. He's an asshole, but his perspective isn't without merit. The world he wants very well could be better than the one that currently exists - it's just that the price to achieve it is too steep to pay. Just to be clear, the comparison to a racist grandpa was metaphorical, not literal. I'm referring to his overall vision to Make Thedas Great Again, not the specifics of what he plans to do. Also, and I appreciate that you are (probably) not in fact attempting to sell me on Solas, but if you had been, it would not have worked. Lol I understand perfectly well why he regards others as lesser beings, his mindset/arguments are extremely similar to the mindset and arguments of many white supremacists ('they aren't as advanced/knowledgable as me', 'they don't have "real" feelings', 'they don't live as long'), and just like white supremacists, I consider Solas to be acting in bad faith. I don't think his perspective has merit, I don't believe it's even worthy of consideration. "I want to end my tragic isolation." "Okay, so develop empathy and respect for the people around you and maybe you'll make some friends." "... No, no... I need to destroy the world and bring back the fascist civilization of my youth." "..."
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Post by ellawyn on Sept 1, 2020 0:47:58 GMT
I mean, technically he's extremely anti-segregation. I mean, that's what the Veil is doing. Segregating the physical world and the Fade. That being said - I also probably wouldn't hang out with him in real life. I'm invested in him as a character (And his romance by extension.) but if I knew the dude personally I don't think we'd be friends. I just think he has a good bit of complexity - and I also think it's reductive to call him racist or genocidal and move on. He came from a world where everyone was immortal, where old age and disease didn't exist. Of course he's going to assign a lesser value to mortal lives - to him, they're all nearly dead anyway. Their natural lives will go for, what, a century? If they're lucky? That's nothing to a people who lived for thousands of years. This is not minding at all the stuff about spirits, or the theory that bring the Veil down will restore the elves. That's what makes him compelling to me. He's an asshole, but his perspective isn't without merit. The world he wants very well could be better than the one that currently exists - it's just that the price to achieve it is too steep to pay. Just to be clear, the comparison to a racist grandpa was metaphorical, not literal. I'm referring to his overall vision to Make Thedas Great Again, not the specifics of what he plans to do. Also, and I appreciate that you are (probably) not in fact attempting to sell me on Solas, but if you had been, it would not have worked. Lol I understand perfectly well why he regards others as lesser beings, his mindset/arguments are extremely similar to the mindset and arguments of many white supremacists ('they aren't as advanced/knowledgable as me', 'they don't have "real" feelings', 'they don't live as long'), and just like white supremacists, I consider Solas to be acting in bad faith. I don't think his perspective has merit, I don't believe it's even worthy of consideration. "I want to end my tragic isolation." "Okay, so develop empathy and respect for the people around you and maybe you'll make some friends." "... No, no... I need to destroy the world and bring back the fascist civilization of my youth." "..." I mean, I think it's the "immortality and magic are net positives and should be brought back" part of his perspective that's got the merit, not so much the "modern people are trash" bit.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Sept 1, 2020 0:56:36 GMT
Just to be clear, the comparison to a racist grandpa was metaphorical, not literal. I'm referring to his overall vision to Make Thedas Great Again, not the specifics of what he plans to do. Also, and I appreciate that you are (probably) not in fact attempting to sell me on Solas, but if you had been, it would not have worked. Lol I understand perfectly well why he regards others as lesser beings, his mindset/arguments are extremely similar to the mindset and arguments of many white supremacists ('they aren't as advanced/knowledgable as me', 'they don't have "real" feelings', 'they don't live as long'), and just like white supremacists, I consider Solas to be acting in bad faith. I don't think his perspective has merit, I don't believe it's even worthy of consideration. "I want to end my tragic isolation." "Okay, so develop empathy and respect for the people around you and maybe you'll make some friends." "... No, no... I need to destroy the world and bring back the fascist civilization of my youth." "..." I mean, I think it's the "immortality and magic are net positives and should be brought back" part of his perspective that's got the merit, not so much the "modern people are trash" bit. I rather feel like they lose their appeal when, according to Solas himself, everyone except him and his select few (if even them?) will be too dead to enjoy the benefits. Not that I particularly care if all life on Thedas DOES get wiped out. Thedas sucks. You can't walk down the street without tripping over ten different rampant injustices. I just don't feel like allowing Solas to reap the benefits of solving a problem that he caused in the first place.
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Post by ellawyn on Sept 1, 2020 1:09:46 GMT
I mean, I think it's the "immortality and magic are net positives and should be brought back" part of his perspective that's got the merit, not so much the "modern people are trash" bit. I rather feel like they lose their appeal when, according to Solas himself, everyone except him and his select few (if even them?) will be too dead to enjoy the benefits. Not that I particularly care if all life on Thedas DOES get wiped out. Thedas sucks. You can't walk down the street without tripping over ten different rampant injustices. I just don't feel like allowing Solas to reap the benefits of solving a problem that he caused in the first place. Right, no, I agree. Like I said, price for those things is too steep to pay. Being dead and being immortal are kind of mutually exclusive, not a lot of people can enjoy the latter if they're too busy being the former. ...So you, uh, pessimised any good pandas, lately?
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Post by pessimistpanda on Sept 1, 2020 1:13:20 GMT
I rather feel like they lose their appeal when, according to Solas himself, everyone except him and his select few (if even them?) will be too dead to enjoy the benefits. Not that I particularly care if all life on Thedas DOES get wiped out. Thedas sucks. You can't walk down the street without tripping over ten different rampant injustices. I just don't feel like allowing Solas to reap the benefits of solving a problem that he caused in the first place. Right, no, I agree. Like I said, price for those things is too steep to pay. Being dead and being immortal are kind of mutually exclusive, not a lot of people can enjoy the latter if they're too busy being the former. ...So you, uh, pessimised any good pandas, lately? I've branched out into porpoises, actually.
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