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Post by Sartoz on Apr 4, 2017 18:05:22 GMT
By the way, does anyone know why BioWare Montreal, which was an adjunct/support team to the original team in Edmonton, got control of Mass Effect? This isn't a judgment of them either way; it's just weird to me that the franchise got moved when Dragon Age stayed in-house. With a 5 year development cycle, 1 year of which was apparently wasted in No Mans Sky experiments along with the decision to not hire professional writers, key people bailing on the project mid development among other things it's pretty obvious to me that the games problems is due to incompetent management. It was their first AAA game and it apparently was too big for their britches. Also the "represent real women" thing boggles the mind. I have never, ever made a character and thought, no she's too pretty. Over sexualized due to armor, make up or what not maybe, but in generally I want my character to be beautiful. I mean, there's a middle ground between Naomi Cambell at a photoshoot and the nerdy Star Bucks barrista that is Sara Ryder... she's the hero,she's my representation in the game... i don't want her to be super plain. If they wanted a good representation of women they should've looked at the new Lara Croft, not fucking Wall Mart or whatever... This post is savage. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Respectfully, it's well deserved and I should point out its towards management.
These results, from my experience in upper corporate echelons, is what happens when short cuts are taken. When it works, they are heroes but when it fails, everyone suffers.
A typical AAA game spends roughly 40-50 million and another 35-40 mil on advertising and with inflation probably more . I don't get the vibe that EA spent a lot on advertising. This hints at some form of cost control which probably influenced Bio Montreal upper management. Add the release date which was about ten days before the EA Qtrly financial results, add the Bulgarian EA facial animation responsibilities and the evidence does suggest certain game decisions and prioritization to minimize cost.
Awesome game graphics, a Bio mantra since 2015, has taken a back seat to the animation fiasco. Has Bio learned a valuable lesson and will they apply it to the Secret IP and possibly Dragon Age Next?
Stay tuned.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 4, 2017 18:42:40 GMT
People round here would still have you believe the animation is okay and it's being all blown out of proportion. If what this vid says is true, then even Bioware staff knew the animations were shirt but the suits said its fine, end of year finance etc. Deep down they must of thought the BDF will buy it anyway so ship it. Guess they didn't have as many fans with low standards as they thought. Regardless of what the BDF would have you think, EA only spending 40 mil on this game and giving it to inexperienced Devs and now the info about outsourcing of some major work, says exactly what they think of the ME franchise. It's dead. FIFA and Madden is where the money is. Fantasy teams where people spend £1000 on it. "BDF" real mature
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Post by solomace on Apr 4, 2017 19:21:44 GMT
People round here would still have you believe the animation is okay and it's being all blown out of proportion. If what this vid says is true, then even Bioware staff knew the animations were shirt but the suits said its fine, end of year finance etc. Deep down they must of thought the BDF will buy it anyway so ship it. Guess they didn't have as many fans with low standards as they thought. Regardless of what the BDF would have you think, EA only spending 40 mil on this game and giving it to inexperienced Devs and now the info about outsourcing of some major work, says exactly what they think of the ME franchise. It's dead. FIFA and Madden is where the money is. Fantasy teams where people spend £1000 on it. "BDF" real mature So is your response. If it's that immature while feel the need to point it out? Most on here should wear the BDF tag with pride, especially as they're starting to dwindle and becoming an endangered species after realizing what a lot of people have said is true about MEA including Bioware if they announcement info is anything to go by
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Post by warbaby2 on Apr 4, 2017 20:57:20 GMT
...and of course, SB weighs in too.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 4, 2017 21:21:15 GMT
...and of course, SB weighs in too. That really burns me that they think women want ugly characters. Is BW trying to say all women should be ugly or is BW trying to say all women are ugly or is BW trying to say that all women should want to be ugly? I'm not sure which offends me more.
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Post by warbaby2 on Apr 4, 2017 21:26:35 GMT
...and of course, SB weighs in too. That really burns me that they think women want ugly characters. Is BW trying to say all women should be ugly or is BW trying to say all women are ugly or is BW trying to say that all women should want to be ugly? I'm not sure which offends me more. I think they just wanted to have more "realistic", average women... problem is, there are beautiful women in the world too, non of them work a BioWare, though. Just kidding... mostly.
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Post by NUM13ER on Apr 4, 2017 21:36:17 GMT
*** The real question is what happens now? Does Bioware Montreal get nuked by EA? Are some people's jobs on the line? Do Bioware move the Mass Effect project back to Edmonton? You have to figure that "Andromeda 2" is already in pre-production.
*** As far as I know the original ME team was working on a new IP. It's unlikely they'll be drafted in anytime soon even if that's EA's desire. From EA's perspective they've given this game 5 years and a lot of money, yet it's getting some pretty bad press all round at the moment. The multipleplayer might make enough of a profit from the micro-transactions if sales have been hurt but honestly I don't have a clue how EA's going to react even if it's profitable.
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Post by NUM13ER on Apr 4, 2017 21:43:33 GMT
Do non-trolls actually think Sara is ugly? Obviously, her eyes and facial animations are bad, but that's true of virtually all the humans. Apart from the systemic problems, I don't see the reason for focusing on Sara. She is a massive upgrade from Femshep's models in any of the original trilogy, and is quite attractive (or would be without the systemic issues). I think it's mostly because she's the default. Femshep didn't have a default until ME3 and I do recall that default FemShep getting a lot of grief for looking nothing like the art everyone voted on. Default Bro-Ryder objectively looks better and closer to the model they paid. Sis-Ryder looks nothing like her and the face looks just ever so slightly off. Some severe uncanny valley going on. I mean even from a financial standpoint, what was the point of paying someone for their likeness and not delivering it? I mean an artist looked at the comparisons and said "Yep, that's a dead ringer." There's something to be said when people actually give a shit what the female default looks like, even if most people play as the default male.
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Post by panzerwzh on Apr 4, 2017 21:44:48 GMT
...and of course, SB weighs in too. He is 100% right this time. Game developer is not fracking preacher. PC or not, boycott this subquality mess!
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Post by panzerwzh on Apr 4, 2017 21:47:38 GMT
That really burns me that they think women want ugly characters. Is BW trying to say all women should be ugly or is BW trying to say all women are ugly or is BW trying to say that all women should want to be ugly? I'm not sure which offends me more. I think they just wanted to have more "realistic", average women... problem is, there are beautiful women in the world too, non of them work a BioWare, though. Just kidding... mostly. No average woman process such a huge mouth which could finish a whole watermelon in one bite! Current model of Sarah is simply out of proportion.
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Post by mordivier on Apr 4, 2017 21:49:08 GMT
...and of course, SB weighs in too. He is 100% right this time. Game developer is not fracking preacher. PC or not, boycott this subquality mess! Wow...if that video is true then it really was an agenda. It was the "sexualizing women in video games crap" going on. Realistic looking characters? I don't think so. Take a look at this video Male model is accurately portrayed, but the female model is not. All the evidence right there.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 4, 2017 21:51:21 GMT
Ugh, I wish they would just patch in a single white skin tone so I could wrestle with that terrible CC and maybe make something I don't laugh at while playing. Is that really so much to ask? :sob:
I know, I know, I'm sure people are tired of hearing me talk about it. Not like it will do any good anyway. I'll shut up now.
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Post by ticktak77 on Apr 4, 2017 21:52:37 GMT
*** The real question is what happens now? Does Bioware Montreal get nuked by EA? Are some people's jobs on the line? Do Bioware move the Mass Effect project back to Edmonton? You have to figure that "Andromeda 2" is already in pre-production.
*** As far as I know the original ME team was working on a new IP. It's unlikely they'll be drafted in anytime soon even if that's EA's desire. From EA's perspective they've given this game 5 years and a lot of money, yet it's getting some pretty bad press all round at the moment. The multipleplayer might make enough of a profit from the micro-transactions if sales have been hurt but honestly I don't have a clue how EA's going to react even if it's profitable. That's a great point, actually. I forgot about Bioware's new IP. It's almost a slam dunk to assume that that particular IP is being worked on by Bioware Edmonton. I think, in 2017, public perception is everything. With a slate of strong games out right now, in what is a historically excellent start to the gaming year, EA will know that this negative perception will push a lot of sales away in the long tail of this game. Surely, someone has to pay for that, or something has to be done.
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Post by Benchimus on Apr 4, 2017 22:28:15 GMT
With a 5 year development cycle, 1 year of which was apparently wasted in No Mans Sky experiments along with the decision to not hire professional writers, key people bailing on the project mid development among other things it's pretty obvious to me that the games problems is due to incompetent management. It was their first AAA game and it apparently was too big for their britches. Also the "represent real women" thing boggles the mind. I have never, ever made a character and thought, no she's too pretty. Over sexualized due to armor, make up or what not maybe, but in generally I want my character to be beautiful. I mean, there's a middle ground between Naomi Cambell at a photoshoot and the nerdy Star Bucks barrista that is Sara Ryder... she's the hero,she's my representation in the game... i don't want her to be super plain. If they wanted a good representation of women they should've looked at the new Lara Croft, not fucking Wall Mart or whatever... ... The new Lara Croft is hot as hell. Id eat her butt til the cows came home. Are you implying shes average looking?
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Post by Benchimus on Apr 4, 2017 22:31:13 GMT
What? One my concerns about this game is how skinny and weak Male Ryder looks. He is supposed to be former alliance, he has had combat/military training. He shouldn't be as beastly as Shepherd was in ME3, but he should still look strong. Yet somehow Scott Ryders shoulders are smaller and less broad then mine ffs. Scott has the body of someone who eats healthy, but has never done any real excercise or military/combat training. He looks fine with armor on, but in his casual clothing he looks weak af. Certainly not ripped by any stretch of the imagination. That's especially bad for me since I'm a powerlifter and Ryder really is a total manlet. Look at the size of his head compared to his shoulder width when wearing casual clothing. Its really bad for immersion. For years I've been hoping for different body models to choose from or a slider or something, but it never happens. This dude! I was so stoked back in the day when Resident Evil 5 came out. If there was only one thing about that game that I ended up liking it was the fact that Chris was a friggin beast and I loved it.
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Post by rasande on Apr 4, 2017 22:53:00 GMT
With a 5 year development cycle, 1 year of which was apparently wasted in No Mans Sky experiments along with the decision to not hire professional writers, key people bailing on the project mid development among other things it's pretty obvious to me that the games problems is due to incompetent management. It was their first AAA game and it apparently was too big for their britches. Also the "represent real women" thing boggles the mind. I have never, ever made a character and thought, no she's too pretty. Over sexualized due to armor, make up or what not maybe, but in generally I want my character to be beautiful. I mean, there's a middle ground between Naomi Cambell at a photoshoot and the nerdy Star Bucks barrista that is Sara Ryder... she's the hero,she's my representation in the game... i don't want her to be super plain. If they wanted a good representation of women they should've looked at the new Lara Croft, not fucking Wall Mart or whatever... ... The new Lara Croft is hot as hell. Id eat her butt til the cows came home. Are you implying shes average looking? Uh no? She's gorgeous without being depicted as an over-sexualized, photoshoped, super model. She looks like a real person and isn't objectified. I ment that's what i want in a protagonist appearance wise, i just apparently chose my words poorly. But thanks for sharing your butthunger
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 5, 2017 0:39:54 GMT
Uh no? She's gorgeous without being depicted as an over-sexualized, photoshoped, super model. She looks like a real person and isn't objectified. I ment that's what i want in a protagonist appearance wise, i just apparently chose my words poorly. Agreed, the new Lara Croft is great. Whoever at BW came up with the idea that female gamers want to play as an ugly protagonist is just an idiot.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 5, 2017 0:43:58 GMT
Even though I still believe this facial animation "controversy" is being blown way out of proportion, what we should hope for is that whoever was responsible in BioWare management is either reprimanded or is quickly demoted. If this is true, clearly there is a lack of leadership and incompetency among the folks who were responsible for making the best decisions for the team as a whole.
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Post by warbaby2 on Apr 5, 2017 0:46:53 GMT
Uh no? She's gorgeous without being depicted as an over-sexualized, photoshoped, super model. She looks like a real person and isn't objectified. I ment that's what i want in a protagonist appearance wise, i just apparently chose my words poorly. Agreed, the new Lara Croft is great. Whoever at BW came up with the idea that female gamers want to play as an ugly protagonist is just an idiot. I think it's really a combination. Maybe they did indeed source out, or screwed up the face models some other way, and then somebody higher up said it's fine, because at least it's not too pretty... basically two f-ups forming a cluster f.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 5, 2017 0:51:46 GMT
Agreed, the new Lara Croft is great. Whoever at BW came up with the idea that female gamers want to play as an ugly protagonist is just an idiot. I think it's really a combination. Maybe they did indeed source out, or screwed up the face models some other way, and then somebody higher up said it's fine, because at least it's not too pretty... basically two f-ups forming a cluster f. Who knows, I just get more upset about it the more I think about it. So the guys get their good looking Scott model face. Maybe the guys wanted someone 'manlier' like Shepard, but at least he is good looking while the ladies model gets her facescan beat with the ugly stick. Then to top it off we don't even get any good custom options in the CC. I really need to just go play another game. Which is too bad I actually enjoyed my Scott playthrough I just can't seem to get up the motivation to carry on with Sara.
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Post by warbaby2 on Apr 5, 2017 0:58:13 GMT
I think it's really a combination. Maybe they did indeed source out, or screwed up the face models some other way, and then somebody higher up said it's fine, because at least it's not too pretty... basically two f-ups forming a cluster f. Who knows, I just get more upset about it the more I think about it. So the guys get their good looking Scott model face. Maybe the guys wanted someone 'manlier' like Shepard, but at least he is good looking while the ladies model gets her facescan beat with the ugly stick. Then to top it off we don't even get any good custom options in the CC. I really need to just go play another game. Which is too bad I actually enjoyed my Scott playthrough I just can't seem to get up the motivation to carry on with Sara. Two words: Nier Automata... it's where I fled to.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 5, 2017 1:01:47 GMT
Who knows, I just get more upset about it the more I think about it. So the guys get their good looking Scott model face. Maybe the guys wanted someone 'manlier' like Shepard, but at least he is good looking while the ladies model gets her facescan beat with the ugly stick. Then to top it off we don't even get any good custom options in the CC. I really need to just go play another game. Which is too bad I actually enjoyed my Scott playthrough I just can't seem to get up the motivation to carry on with Sara. Two words: Nier Automata... it's where I fled to. Thanks I might check it out, heard good things about it. I've also been sitting on TW3 for a while now. I can't seem to get myself into it since I have a hard time playing as Geralt. I did TW2 and found it fun but it just didn't click with me like femSheps or Bethesda games where I can make my own characters.
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Post by warbaby2 on Apr 5, 2017 1:05:36 GMT
Two words: Nier Automata... it's where I fled to. Thanks I might check it out, heard good things about it. I've also been sitting on TW3 for a while now. I can't seem to get myself into it since I have a hard time playing as Geralt. I did TW2 and found it fun but it just didn't click with me like femSheps or Bethesda games where I can make my own characters. Pity, it's a really great game... in NA, you play a female android most of the time, so they got you covered there.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 5, 2017 1:07:39 GMT
Thanks I might check it out, heard good things about it. I've also been sitting on TW3 for a while now. I can't seem to get myself into it since I have a hard time playing as Geralt. I did TW2 and found it fun but it just didn't click with me like femSheps or Bethesda games where I can make my own characters. Pity, it's a really great game... in NA, you play a female android most of the time, so they got you covered there. Yeah I know I'll enjoy it once I force myself to get started. Just need that push to get started.
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Post by alix626 on Apr 5, 2017 1:51:24 GMT
Two words: Nier Automata... it's where I fled to. Thanks I might check it out, heard good things about it. I've also been sitting on TW3 for a while now. I can't seem to get myself into it since I have a hard time playing as Geralt. I did TW2 and found it fun but it just didn't click with me like femSheps or Bethesda games where I can make my own characters. Me too. I couldn't finish TW3 and Uncharted 4 and the two newest Assassins Creed because they were too...what I like to call 'Bro-bro' games. I like to play as girls lol
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