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Post by mordivier on Apr 5, 2017 2:03:28 GMT
Pity, it's a really great game... in NA, you play a female android most of the time, so they got you covered there. Yeah I know I'll enjoy it once I force myself to get started. Just need that push to get started. I've heard NA will rip your heart out and hand it back to you on a golden platter(emotionally that is) I wouldn't know for sure though. I did look up the ending. No thanks for me.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 5, 2017 4:25:35 GMT
I think it's really a combination. Maybe they did indeed source out, or screwed up the face models some other way, and then somebody higher up said it's fine, because at least it's not too pretty... basically two f-ups forming a cluster f. Who knows, I just get more upset about it the more I think about it. So the guys get their good looking Scott model face. Maybe the guys wanted someone 'manlier' like Shepard, but at least he is good looking while the ladies model gets her facescan beat with the ugly stick. Then to top it off we don't even get any good custom options in the CC. I really need to just go play another game. Which is too bad I actually enjoyed my Scott playthrough I just can't seem to get up the motivation to carry on with Sara. You can make a fairly attractive Sara Ryder in the CC if you work at it. If you need some ideas for suggestions, you can always go to masseffectarchives.com and check out some of the CCs of Sara Ryder that folks have uploaded. At the very least, those could be a starting point for you to create a decent looking Sara Ryder. Supposedly BioWare will also be making the CC options more attractive within the next two months, so there's always that to look forward to.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 5, 2017 4:33:37 GMT
Who knows, I just get more upset about it the more I think about it. So the guys get their good looking Scott model face. Maybe the guys wanted someone 'manlier' like Shepard, but at least he is good looking while the ladies model gets her facescan beat with the ugly stick. Then to top it off we don't even get any good custom options in the CC. I really need to just go play another game. Which is too bad I actually enjoyed my Scott playthrough I just can't seem to get up the motivation to carry on with Sara. You can make a fairly attractive Sara Ryder in the CC if you work at it. If you need some ideas for suggestions, you can always go to masseffectarchives.com and check out some of the CCs of Sara Ryder that folks have uploaded. At the very least, those could be a starting point for you to create a decent looking Sara Ryder. Supposedly BioWare will also be making the CC options more attractive within the next two months, so there's always that to look forward to. Custom Sara's are useless to me until I can make one that is actually white. It is great they have so many options for brown and black Sara's but we couldn't get even one white skin tone? And honestly a fixed CC in June doesn't do a lot for me when I am creating my characters in April. Yeah I suppose it is nice they recognized how bad the CC is, but assuming they ever even do fix it that is way too late.
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Post by danishgambit on Apr 5, 2017 4:40:40 GMT
IDK if this has been posted here or not so I'll just post it now. In short: Bioware used facial scan technology that would usually need additional work done to perfect the model, that work either wasn't done or was out sourced to other EA teams. The in house artists focused mostly on ships, armours, specific aliens ect but not human faces. Bioware/EA may have been reluctant to alter female scans because they wanted to make more realistic looking human characters and represent real women. Right...but they apparently weren't opposed to the atrocity that is default Sara Ryder. Default Male Ryder is just like the model photograph, but the female one isn't. That seems too much of a difference to be mere incompetence. They noted this in the AngryJoe review today and yes it's fairly obvious that the artists were instructed to alter the face. There are plenty of amateur artists out there that could easily model FemRyder's face correctly and with significantly fewer resources than your average artist that works for a big company. Anyone that could not would never get a job at Bioware or anywhere else. Getting a career as a 3D modeler is extremely difficult (and your first job may require you to even animate instead) and it's a very competitive field to get into and the idea that these Bioware artists could model MaleRyder correctly and somehow screw up FemRyder is absurd. And the idea that they simply didn't have time or the ability to put finishing touches on the most important character in the game is a tough sale indeed... It doesn't take a genius to figure out why they decided to warp FemRyder's face but it seems pretty stupid to me. But they don't really have a choice but to allow their work to be tarnished with misguided political nonsense.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 5, 2017 4:43:02 GMT
You can make a fairly attractive Sara Ryder in the CC if you work at it. If you need some ideas for suggestions, you can always go to masseffectarchives.com and check out some of the CCs of Sara Ryder that folks have uploaded. At the very least, those could be a starting point for you to create a decent looking Sara Ryder. Supposedly BioWare will also be making the CC options more attractive within the next two months, so there's always that to look forward to. Custom Sara's are useless to me until I can make one that is actually white. It is great they have so many options for brown and black Sara's but we couldn't get even one white skin tone? And honestly a fixed CC in June doesn't do a lot for me when I am creating my characters in April. Yeah I suppose it is nice they recognized how bad the CC is, but assuming they ever even do fix it that is way too late. If you are looking for a porcelain white skin tone, then you aren't going to find that at the moment. However, I'd argue you could make a Caucasian-looking women that's pretty pale. It's just an idea if you haven't checked out the archives, as some folks have done some really impressive work with the limitations of the CC as it stands. I don't know what platform you play on, but on the off chance you are on PC, it's inevitable there will be a mod to get the skin tone you want, as well as changing the entire appearance of your character.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 5, 2017 4:49:26 GMT
Right...but they apparently weren't opposed to the atrocity that is default Sara Ryder. Default Male Ryder is just like the model photograph, but the female one isn't. That seems too much of a difference to be mere incompetence. They noted this in the AngryJoe review today and yes it's fairly obvious that the artists were instructed to alter the face. There are plenty of amateur artists out there that could easily model FemRyder's face correctly and with significantly fewer resources than your average artist that works for a big company. Anyone that could not would never get a job at Bioware or anywhere else. Getting a career as a 3D modeler is extremely difficult (and your first job may require you to even animate instead) and it's a very competitive field to get into and the idea that these Bioware artists could model MaleRyder correctly and somehow screw up FemRyder is absurd. And the idea that they simply didn't have time or the ability to put finishing touches on the most important character in the game is a tough sale indeed... It doesn't take a genius to figure out why they decided to warp FemRyder's face but it seems pretty stupid to me. But they don't really have a choice but to allow their work to be tarnished with misguided political nonsense. How must that model feel? If I was her I would be rather offended as well seeing BW use my likeness in that manner. The uglification is obviously intentional. You can't get the male scan done so well and simultaneously get the female scan so wrong by accident. And even if you did somehow mange to screw up that badly to then not even notice it and push it live as part of a $40 million dollar project? Not buying that either. This was a deliberate decision by someone. How or why is I suppose irrelevant now. Makes me hope they don't even use the Ryders in the next game since I doubt they are willing to go back and give us a real Sara face at this point.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 5, 2017 4:51:22 GMT
Custom Sara's are useless to me until I can make one that is actually white. It is great they have so many options for brown and black Sara's but we couldn't get even one white skin tone? And honestly a fixed CC in June doesn't do a lot for me when I am creating my characters in April. Yeah I suppose it is nice they recognized how bad the CC is, but assuming they ever even do fix it that is way too late. If you are looking for a porcelain white skin tone, then you aren't going to find that at the moment. However, I'd argue you could make a Caucasian-looking women that's pretty pale. It's just an idea if you haven't checked out the archives, as some folks have done some really impressive work with the limitations of the CC as it stands. I don't know what platform you play on, but on the off chance you are on PC, it's inevitable there will be a mod to get the skin tone you want, as well as changing the entire appearance of your character. I've tried a few, the lightest skin tone is still a pretty swarthy tan if not outright brown. You can't get anything even close to the default Ryder's skin tone and they aren't exactly 'porcelain'.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 5, 2017 4:59:56 GMT
If you are looking for a porcelain white skin tone, then you aren't going to find that at the moment. However, I'd argue you could make a Caucasian-looking women that's pretty pale. It's just an idea if you haven't checked out the archives, as some folks have done some really impressive work with the limitations of the CC as it stands. I don't know what platform you play on, but on the off chance you are on PC, it's inevitable there will be a mod to get the skin tone you want, as well as changing the entire appearance of your character. I've tried a few, the lightest skin tone is still a pretty swarthy tan if not outright brown. You can't get anything even close to the default Ryder's skin tone and they aren't exactly 'porcelain'. That's true. It's definitely not ideal and there really isn't an excuse for it, unlike DAO where the Eclipse Engine wasn't physically capable of creating black skin tones. I'd imagine that there is enough criticism of the CC that BioWare will rectify that concern when they update it. Of course, as you suggested, you likely wouldn't be interested in playing the game at that point. It's really a bummer.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 5, 2017 5:06:22 GMT
I appreciate the attempts at help though, thanks. Seriously if they just patched in a paler skin tone it would solve like 75% of the issues with the CC. That would take them all of like 5 minutes, but I'm not gonna hold my breath.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 5, 2017 5:10:00 GMT
I appreciate the attempts at help though, thanks. Seriously if they just patched in a paler skin tone it would solve like 75% of the issues with the CC. That would take them all of like 5 minutes, but I'm not gonna hold my breath. Just trying to help where I can. A paler skin tone should be an easy fix, you would think. I don't even understand why there's even a discussion about that taking time. I can't imagine it being that difficult.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 5, 2017 7:00:11 GMT
Yeah I've played around with that preset a bit. It is one of the better ones but she still comes out noticeably darker than say Cora or default Sara. I just hope they make the CC updates soon before I just give up on the game all together. I wouldn't even mind playing default Sara if they had left her closer to the real life model like Scott is. FemShep always suffered compared to MaleShep but it bothers me a lot more this time around. Maybe I notice it more because of the improved graphical quality or because of all the PC bull behind it, I dunno. Whatever it is I'm finding it really hard to enjoy the game because of it.
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Post by pav on Apr 5, 2017 11:40:53 GMT
What? One my concerns about this game is how skinny and weak Male Ryder looks. He is supposed to be former alliance, he has had combat/military training. He shouldn't be as beastly as Shepherd was in ME3, but he should still look strong. Yet somehow Scott Ryders shoulders are smaller and less broad then mine ffs. Scott has the body of someone who eats healthy, but has never done any real excercise or military/combat training. He looks fine with armor on, but in his casual clothing he looks weak af. Certainly not ripped by any stretch of the imagination. That's especially bad for me since I'm a powerlifter and Ryder really is a total manlet. Look at the size of his head compared to his shoulder width when wearing casual clothing. Its really bad for immersion. For years I've been hoping for different body models to choose from or a slider or something, but it never happens. Thank you, he looks like a sissy without his armor. I'm not a power lifter but i do go the gym whenevr i can fit it in around my uni revision and work (haven't been for a month now fucking exams) And if I who just works out every now and then can manage to look like less of a manlet that a former Alliance, then you know something is wrong. I always make Ryder wear the jacket because i hate looking at his skinny ass shoulders when he runs. I honestly think there should be different body types depeinding on the background/class you choose. For example my Ryder is a close combat vanguard, uses a lot of melee and i picked the Scrapper as my starting point ------ he should at least be between ME1 and ME2 SHepherd physique Its similar to DAI, I could never finish a playthrough as an elf because they looked like stick insects, it looked really cringey. I mean look at Iorveth from the Witcher games: He is not a beast or particularly muscular, but he still looks capable.
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Post by dark8sage on Apr 5, 2017 11:48:03 GMT
But having all the males be ripped supermodels is fine? I'm all for having a huge diversity of characters, but just like how not everyone is beautiful, not everyone is average either. How the hell are all the males ripped supermodels? Most of them are hideous. People who like men barely have options in this game. You've got Liam who's scrawny yet somehow has these ugly scrawny muscles. Then you got Gil who looks like he's made of silly putty, is dark skinned with hideous bright orange rust hair that looks totally unnatural on someone of his skin tone, not to mention the bald patch on his chin while the rest of his face has stubble. If you want to talk about supermodel men, talk about James Vega. No male character in Andromeda is like that. All the men have the same unremarkable body type, and for the humans they got these skin textures that look like Andromeda needs some dermatologists ASAP.
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Post by pav on Apr 5, 2017 12:02:45 GMT
But having all the males be ripped supermodels is fine? I'm all for having a huge diversity of characters, but just like how not everyone is beautiful, not everyone is average either. How the hell are all the males ripped supermodels? Most of them are hideous. People who like men barely have options in this game. You've got Liam who's scrawny yet somehow has these ugly scrawny muscles. Then you got Gil who looks like he's made of silly putty, is dark skinned with hideous bright orange rust hair that looks totally unnatural on someone of his skin tone, not to mention the bald patch on his chin while the rest of his face has stubble. If you want to talk about supermodel men, talk about James Vega. No male character in Andromeda is like that. Exactly, anyone who has spent just 2 months in the gym, will look broader and stronger than male Ryder does. Cora has better shoulders than MRyder ffs. It looks even worse with the wierd running animation they gave him. Its like some super gangly stick instect.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 5, 2017 14:07:07 GMT
Scott does look odd out of his armor. His shoulders are a straight line from one side to the other and his neck just pops straight up out the middle. There is no slope or shape at all there. Even just an average guy that never works out has some slope from his shoulder to his neck and a rounding of the shoulders. BW designers need to start looking at some anatomy charts when they design the bodies.
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Post by TaranTatsuuchi on Apr 6, 2017 4:43:39 GMT
I agree that the CC is hard to work with, I've found that with the female faces you can only do something reasonably attractive with 2 or 3 of the 9 (Slots 1 and 9, I forget which slot the 3rd was) - and even they take a lot of work, because like with every other CC what you create doesn't look exactly the same in the game. The skin tones and hair colours are bad, to put it politely - but, then again, you've never had anything good to work with in BioWare games where CC is concerned. Another pet peeve for me is how the character looks absolutely nothing like the father or supposed "twin" - and why can't the twin be the same gender as your character? (That's weird to me, lol) The dark brown hair color I chose looks grey in some lighting! You are right, wrong video. Sorry Hah, well good to know it wasn't just me missing something then. And yeah, I agree that Sara looks much better. Would still be nice to be able to customize her though. I wish we could use the default and just change things like hair style, hair/eye color, and makeup without changing the facial geometry. The default characters really should be another preset we could tweak... Though, I still would prefer that we could make all of them from the same base and not have parts locked to certain presets.
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Post by zelloswar on Apr 6, 2017 7:01:10 GMT
What a weak video and research, especially on "representing women" part and facescans. None of this has anything to do with: - dead eyes effect, that's entirely a technical & artistic failure - eyesore MS Paint neon hair colors, those were selected, not scanned - overcooked makeup applied in post-scan process, facescans don't even have makeup lol - all Asari minus Peebee having the same face - awful Turian face colors But of course none of this matters in attempts to blame "political corectness" for everything, whether it makes any sense or not. Even if the actual sources did say all the video claims they did, taking it as a gospel is ridiculous on part of the video's author. We're talking developers interested in blaming everyone but themselves here. Critical thinking & filtering should be applied to dev quotes as well. Again, facescans and "EA political culture" did NOT select those particular neon hair colors or messed up eye reflections. Those are concious technical and artistic decisions. Outsourcing to external EA studios ain't an issue either, multiple EA franchises do it succesfully on a regular basis. What he said. Facial animations and faces in general are bad, really bad, and not only human ones - compare Kallo and Mordin(even from the ME2) for example. The lips are barely moving and there are no visible emotions. None at all (except for ever-smiling Cora). The easiest example is the dialog we have with Adison right after arriving on the Nexus - she says she's angry and irritated but her face shows NOTHING. At least the voice acting is good, so my personal solution was to go through the dialogs without looking at faces. Than comes the writing for the said characters. The only half-decent character in the entire game (strictly IMO) is Jaal - he has background, he has relatable story, personality, flavor. Other characters lack that. In the ME 1-3 i laughed and cried with all those wonderfully built characters, i wanted to solve their problems and know their stories(mostly). In MEA i find myself uncaring, because there are no interesting characters, even if the baseline is good - the serving of it is half-assed. Couple of engineers from the tech level in games 2-3 are far more charming and bring more emotions to the table than Gil who has a huge dialog wheel and a full background story as well. So in the end my problem with the game is poor character design overall from the animations to writing. Also, as a quick edit - is it just me or do all romance scenes are dull, awkward and poorly directed?
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 6, 2017 13:48:42 GMT
Zelloswar, I don't disagree with any of the issues you or Petroshenko pointed out but there is obviously a huge difference between how closely Scott resembles his face model and how closely Sara resembles her face model. A huge difference.
I find it hard to see how anyone could deny that. There was clearly a conscious choice made by Bioware to make the Sara face scan 'less attractive' than the real model while leaving the Scott model nice and hunky. So why the double standard? I suppose that part is debatable but some of the theories put forth seem perfectly believable considering what we know about BW, their goals, and their ideologies. I tend to agree with and support BW in most of those instances but this idea that the female protagonist needs to be 'less attractive' than the male counterpart I find rather, well, stupid. If not outright offensive.
As already mentioned Lara Croft is a great example. The older games Lara is clearly an over sexualized male fantasy while the reboot version is more realistic while still being a strong and attractive woman. I don't need my characters to be 'ugly' to relate to them. The insinuation that they need to be says a lot about what BW thinks about women gamers in general.
I don't know what if anything BW could do to fix it at this point. I doubt they will change the default Sara or 'beautify' the custom presets. I'm not sure that would be the right thing to do even if they could as that would change existing characters other people may have already come to like.
I'd personally like to see them add a new Sara custom preset with the default Sara face done with the same quality as Scott and match it up with the default Scott and Alec. Not sure how pie in the sky wishful that is though.
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Post by zelloswar on Apr 6, 2017 14:38:45 GMT
Decafhigh, i understand your concern in regards to the default models, but i would like to point out that the original post by Petroshenko and my addition of topics is not centered on that and frankly just briefly touches the default models at all. We are more concerned with overall quality of the models/animations/writing/etc.
On the topic of default models - i for one don't really care about them since my characters be they male or female are always created from the scratch. Although BW did it almost impossible to create anything decent out of presets with extremely limited character creation tool and extremely ugly presets (i think even ME1 had better ones). Additionally i don't find male Ryder default attractive. For me both male and female defaults are ugly. Male just looks like a 17 y/o kid going through the late puberty. Although i don't know what you need to do to the character model to get current female Ryder face from the absolutely stunning model who's face was used for it. I also completely agree with you, that artificial addition of un-attractiveness to female characters is outright stupid. I don't see how it's pro-women or politically correct or even equalizing. And i don't see how anybody would want that in the game. Good examples of how it should have been done, as you've mentioned, would be new Lara Croft or even FemShep from games 2-3.
Getting back on the track of my previous post - i don't think anything could be done to remedy game issues that me and Petroshenko are pointing out. It has to be addressed in the next game.
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Post by avalon on Apr 6, 2017 15:28:05 GMT
Lol no shade to Bioware but if they used/worked on facial scanning at all, it would look like LA Noire. But I don't really mind the faces, it's not as horrible as people are saying and my Ryder looks fine to me. As for ordinary women, it's not about making them ''ugly'' the point is that that word shouldn't even be there. Sara isn't ugly, she just looks like a normal girl. But I wish they spent more time on diversity like in DAI, more freckles and skin types and hairstyles/beards for everyone. And skin tones, I'm ghost pale godammit.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 6, 2017 15:41:17 GMT
Lol no shade to Bioware but if they used/worked on facial scanning at all, it would look like LA Noire. But I don't really mind the faces, it's not as horrible as people are saying and my Ryder looks fine to me. As for ordinary women, it's not about making them ''ugly'' the point is that that word shouldn't even be there. Sara isn't ugly, she just looks like a normal girl. But I wish they spent more time on diversity like in DAI, more freckles and skin types and hairstyles/beards for everyone. And skin tones, I'm ghost pale godammit. Whether one thinks Sara is ugly or not is subjective. I wouldn't call her ugly either. That's only half of the issue though. Comparing Scott to his model and Sara to hers there was clearly an attempt by Bioware to make her far less attractive. Even Sara pre and post day 1 patch shows an effort by BW to make her less and less attractive. Her eyebrows become much bushier here eyes were bulged out, her nose was made wider and more bulbous her mouth was stretched wider her jaw and chin were widened and made much more prominent her skin texture was stained like she has jaundice or something. It is the whole agenda of trying to make their female characters 'less attractive' that I am taking issue with here. The implication that female gamers aren't supposed to 'like pretty things'. This is the kind of thing you get when PC culture goes from being inclusive to being toxic.
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Post by avalon on Apr 6, 2017 17:06:49 GMT
...I thought the first picture was the better version, hah. Honestly that's pretty to me, it's more realistic (except for the eyes). The right one looks a bit plastic. But again, pretty isn't the point and pretty isn't just looking like a Hollywood star 24/7. We should have diversity and a lot of options so everyone can make what they want.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 6, 2017 18:28:14 GMT
...I thought the first picture was the better version, hah. Honestly that's pretty to me, it's more realistic (except for the eyes). The right one looks a bit plastic. But again, pretty isn't the point and pretty isn't just looking like a Hollywood star 24/7. We should have diversity and a lot of options so everyone can make what they want. Well I agree that more options to please everyone would be better but that isn't quite how we have it at the moment. "pretty isn't just looking like a Hollywood star 24/7" Absolutely true, but there is also a reason you will find a lot more people googling Ryan Reynolds and Jennifer Lawrence than Bette Middler and Nick Nolte. I'm not particularly in the mood for Bette Middler when I am searching for my video game fantasy fulfillment. Cora for example isn't 'hollywood beautiful' but I would much rather play as her than Sara. They tried so hard to make Sara 'not attractive' that she just ended up looking very uncanny valley to me. Even the custom Sara's just look so odd I can't stand playing them for very long.
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Post by zelloswar on Apr 6, 2017 19:01:51 GMT
If only she wasn't smiling all the time
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