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Post by Alien Fodder on Apr 5, 2017 22:53:37 GMT
LOL! So true... and if the Vetra romance is as heart-warming and fun as the Garrus romance in the OT, then it will definitely be a memorable one.
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Post by Rifneno on Apr 6, 2017 1:51:23 GMT
I'm pretty sure me: a will have the same build up especially if you remain faithful that being said Triss was forced on you by the writers The same buildup as what? ME1-3? Probably. Witcher? I don't see why you'd think that. BW has taken the same basic route with their romances for a decade. Why would they start giving them depth now? Especially since the writing has taken a nosedive of unimaginable proportions in other areas. As for Triss, in the second game that's true but I feel it was justified by how integral to the story she was in that game. She wouldn't have had any reason to be around if not for a relationship with Geralt and it would've required a major rewrite for things to play out even remotely the same without her around. Also, I find myself wondering if they didn't push the player toward Triss because of Yennefer. CDPR didn't write the original characters, they had to work with what the scale itch Sapkowski wrote. And he wrote Yennefer as a turbocunt. I seriously can't even begin to wrap my head around how anyone can ever pick her. Triss > Single > Suicide ending > Yen. So yeah, I'm sure they nudged the player toward Triss if for no other reason than presenting her and Yennefer on totally equal ground in the games would make it seem like a disingenuous choice. Yen was the canonical love interest for 7 overhyped books and Triss was barely even there. Giving Triss 2 games to make up for the entire book series in Yen's favor seems more than fair to me. Have I mentioned in the last 5 seconds how abhorrent Yennefer is?
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Post by lurkinglurker on Apr 6, 2017 2:02:46 GMT
I'm pretty sure me: a will have the same build up especially if you remain faithful that being said Triss was forced on you by the writers The same buildup as what? ME1-3? Probably. Witcher? I don't see why you'd think that. BW has taken the same basic route with their romances for a decade. Why would they start giving them depth now? Especially since the writing has taken a nosedive of unimaginable proportions in other areas. As for Triss, in the second game that's true but I feel it was justified by how integral to the story she was in that game. She wouldn't have had any reason to be around if not for a relationship with Geralt and it would've required a major rewrite for things to play out even remotely the same without her around. Also, I find myself wondering if they didn't push the player toward Triss because of Yennefer. CDPR didn't write the original characters, they had to work with what the scale itch Sapkowski wrote. And he wrote Yennefer as a turbocunt. I seriously can't even begin to wrap my head around how anyone can ever pick her. Triss > Single > Suicide ending > Yen. So yeah, I'm sure they nudged the player toward Triss if for no other reason than presenting her and Yennefer on totally equal ground in the games would make it seem like a disingenuous choice. Yen was the canonical love interest for 7 overhyped books and Triss was barely even there. Giving Triss 2 games to make up for the entire book series in Yen's favor seems more than fair to me. Have I mentioned in the last 5 seconds how abhorrent Yennefer is? Just wanted to let you know: I'm pretty sure Geralt continues living after that ending. It was implied he was going to die due to him being depressed and, at the moment he saw the medallion, having the feeling that he has nothing to personally live for, but the blood and wine dlc I believe showed he does indeed survive that drowner crowd. Edit: found a vid where geralt doesn't get with triss, yen and fails with ciri. He gets visited by dandelion and the blood and wine can take place after the events of the main story.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Apr 6, 2017 2:07:50 GMT
I'm pretty sure me: a will have the same build up especially if you remain faithful that being said Triss was forced on you by the writers The same buildup as what? ME1-3? Probably. Witcher? I don't see why you'd think that. BW has taken the same basic route with their romances for a decade. Why would they start giving them depth now? Especially since the writing has taken a nosedive of unimaginable proportions in other areas. As for Triss, in the second game that's true but I feel it was justified by how integral to the story she was in that game. She wouldn't have had any reason to be around if not for a relationship with Geralt and it would've required a major rewrite for things to play out even remotely the same without her around. Also, I find myself wondering if they didn't push the player toward Triss because of Yennefer. CDPR didn't write the original characters, they had to work with what the scale itch Sapkowski wrote. And he wrote Yennefer as a turbocunt. I seriously can't even begin to wrap my head around how anyone can ever pick her. Triss > Single > Suicide ending > Yen. So yeah, I'm sure they nudged the player toward Triss if for no other reason than presenting her and Yennefer on totally equal ground in the games would make it seem like a disingenuous choice. Yen was the canonical love interest for 7 overhyped books and Triss was barely even there. Giving Triss 2 games to make up for the entire book series in Yen's favor seems more than fair to me. Have I mentioned in the last 5 seconds how abhorrent Yennefer is? Salty Triss fanboy here. Don't take him seriously. Case closed.
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Post by smilesja on Apr 6, 2017 2:12:02 GMT
I'm pretty sure me: a will have the same build up especially if you remain faithful that being said Triss was forced on you by the writers The same buildup as what? ME1-3? Probably. Witcher? I don't see why you'd think that. BW has taken the same basic route with their romances for a decade. Why would they start giving them depth now? Especially since the writing has taken a nosedive of unimaginable proportions in other areas. As for Triss, in the second game that's true but I feel it was justified by how integral to the story she was in that game. She wouldn't have had any reason to be around if not for a relationship with Geralt and it would've required a major rewrite for things to play out even remotely the same without her around. Also, I find myself wondering if they didn't push the player toward Triss because of Yennefer. CDPR didn't write the original characters, they had to work with what the scale itch Sapkowski wrote. And he wrote Yennefer as a turbocunt. I seriously can't even begin to wrap my head around how anyone can ever pick her. Triss > Single > Suicide ending > Yen. So yeah, I'm sure they nudged the player toward Triss if for no other reason than presenting her and Yennefer on totally equal ground in the games would make it seem like a disingenuous choice. Yen was the canonical love interest for 7 overhyped books and Triss was barely even there. Giving Triss 2 games to make up for the entire book series in Yen's favor seems more than fair to me. Have I mentioned in the last 5 seconds how abhorrent Yennefer is? To be honest I remember people who romanced Shani did not take being railroaded into romancing Triss in the second game. Besides there was plenty of romantic development in Bioware games like Liara, Ashley etc and they are just as rewarding as the The Witcher. That being said I didn't like Yennifer that much in the The Witcher 3! XD
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 2:18:05 GMT
Have I mentioned in the last 5 seconds how abhorrent Yennefer is? Yeah Yennefer is a bitch, but people like that. Morrigan was one of the most popular romance choices in DA:O. I see a lot of Morrigan in Yennefer and vice versa. I prefer Triss aswell, but her writing is all over the place, it wasn't before TW3 that she came into her own and finally got the character arc she deserved, and that point i was fully invested in it. In TW1 she is just a Yennefer clone, a bit more mild, but pretty much the same. TW2 way too much damsel in distress. TW3, badass Sorceress that can take care of herself, but yet be vulnerable with Geralt.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Apr 6, 2017 2:29:26 GMT
Yeah yeah, the fairy tale of gay romances for the gays. When my hetero male friends installed DA:O, they romanced Zevran faster than I could finish the first Quest. Don't tell me Stories, I know who you all romanced in DA:I! And it was not Ashley 2.0. aka Cassandra.
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Post by projectpatdc on Apr 6, 2017 2:41:51 GMT
I really don't understand. The whole relationships and sex thing makes up very little of the game and we get more options in MEA than any other Mass Effect. And people are still complaining?
No other game company makes games like Mass Effect and try to be tastefully inclusive yet lets demand and boycott a piece of entertainment that shouldn't have to care about each little snow flake's feelings. If Bioware makes changing based on these petty requests, I better be able to fuck Donald Duck in MEA2 or engage in some serious bestiality. Hell why can't I romance my Pyjack?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 3:13:48 GMT
I used to be supportive, but the behavior of some has been so appalling and after playing the game and knowing how the character was meant to be written, I just feel it'll be wrong if they changed him, but whatever BW does after all this is their decision and people should just try to accept it and hope this nonsense is not repeated in the future due to lack of variety in squadmate romances.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 6, 2017 3:19:24 GMT
This thread is like a long journey now.
Not so much unexplored or far off.
But its getting there.
To the BSN.
*Lifts Ryncol*
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 6, 2017 3:33:52 GMT
Honestly, I think the whole thing is childish.
I didn't care for Jaal, but I never got the sense his character was a bisexual. He wasn't written to be one, and the NPCs are in control of BioWARE. They are not to blame for the faulty assumptions, or temper tantrums, of the fanbase.
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Post by General Mahad on Apr 6, 2017 4:11:47 GMT
Lol why? He's pretty damn boring, right next to Liam boring.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 4:14:41 GMT
Lol why? He's pretty damn boring, right next to Liam boring. lol not to us females, and he was written for females, so the appeal is not going to be seen by many besides us. Liam though... man he's my bro and all, but he just gets to me sometimes (in a bad way).
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 6, 2017 4:21:34 GMT
Lol why? He's pretty damn boring, right next to Liam boring. lol not to us females, and he was written for females, so the appeal is not going to be seen by many besides us. Liam though... man he's my bro and all, but he just gets to me sometimes (in a bad way). I've heard that argument for Thane before. But I liked Thane, he had a great alien vibe to him, and the drell looked damn cool. I don't think it's just "he was written with women in mind" will cut it. I just found him to be an overly whiny wimp.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 4:24:38 GMT
lol not to us females, and he was written for females, so the appeal is not going to be seen by many besides us. Liam though... man he's my bro and all, but he just gets to me sometimes (in a bad way). I've heard that argument for Thane before. But I liked Thane, he had a great alien vibe to him, and the drell looked damn cool. I don't think it's just "he was written with women in mind" will cut it. I just found him to be an overly whiny wimp. Oh God I am almost insulted Thane was written for women. We don't want a guy who is dying and pining for his dead wife. They even tried some bi dialogue for Thane, but it never worked out in the end. Jaal's romance is basically a romantic fanfic a woman would write. I think Cathleen attempted to see if writing him bi could work, but it never went far.
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Post by General Mahad on Apr 6, 2017 4:34:30 GMT
Women are into shaved cat men? The Angarans are among the ugliest bipedal aliens BioWare has designed and not in a good way like the Batarians or Vorcha.
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 6, 2017 4:36:09 GMT
I've heard that argument for Thane before. But I liked Thane, he had a great alien vibe to him, and the drell looked damn cool. I don't think it's just "he was written with women in mind" will cut it. I just found him to be an overly whiny wimp. Oh God I am almost insulted Thane was written for women. We don't want a guy who is dying and pining for his dead wife. They even tried some bi dialogue for Thane, but it never worked out in the end. Jaal's romance is basically a romantic fanfic a woman would write. I think Cathleen attempted to see if writing him bi could work, but it never went far. I don't want to pay money for a fanfic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 4:39:31 GMT
Oh God I am almost insulted Thane was written for women. We don't want a guy who is dying and pining for his dead wife. They even tried some bi dialogue for Thane, but it never worked out in the end. Jaal's romance is basically a romantic fanfic a woman would write. I think Cathleen attempted to see if writing him bi could work, but it never went far. I don't want to pay money for a fanfic. Yeah this is the gist of it: Basically Jaal is a 27 year old man with the mind of a teenager. He flirts back and forth with Sara, then sends her love letters saying he's thinking of her smile. Later he takes her to his room and asks to be a couple, if she says yes, he gets all "score!" like a kid and then they share a first kiss, lie on the floor and hold hands. As the romance progresses he takes her to a beautiful secluded area on Aya and makes love to her after confessing he's fallen for her. If the love is returned, he picks her up in his arms laughing and spinning her. At the end of the game, he kisses Sara in front of everyone, then picks her up again, twirls her around and they laugh together. You then have a talk about their future he wants to build with her during the epilogue. In-between that you get tons of cute love letters from him and he calls you darling all the time.
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 6, 2017 4:40:50 GMT
I don't want to pay money for a fanfic. Yeah this is the gist of it: Basically Jaal is a 27 year old man with the mind of a teenager. He flirts back and forth with Sara, then sends her love letters saying he's thinking of her smile. Later he takes her to his room and asks to be a couple, if she says yes, he gets all "score!" like a kid and then they share a first kiss, lie on the floor and hold hands. As the romance progresses he takes her to a beautiful secluded area on Aya and makes love to her after confessing he's fallen for her. If the love is returned, he picks her up in his arms laughing like a little boy. At the end of the game, he kisses Sara in front of everyone, then picks her up again, twirls her around and they laugh together. You then have a talk about their future he wants to build with her during the epilogue. In-between that you get tons of cute love letters from him and he calls you darling all the time.
Alien Barf. How do salarians barf, because this is what I'm getting from it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 4:42:52 GMT
Yeah this is the gist of it: Basically Jaal is a 27 year old man with the mind of a teenager. He flirts back and forth with Sara, then sends her love letters saying he's thinking of her smile. Later he takes her to his room and asks to be a couple, if she says yes, he gets all "score!" like a kid and then they share a first kiss, lie on the floor and hold hands. As the romance progresses he takes her to a beautiful secluded area on Aya and makes love to her after confessing he's fallen for her. If the love is returned, he picks her up in his arms laughing like a little boy. At the end of the game, he kisses Sara in front of everyone, then picks her up again, twirls her around and they laugh together. You then have a talk about their future he wants to build with her during the epilogue. In-between that you get tons of cute love letters from him and he calls you darling all the time.
Alien Barf. How do salarians barf, because this is what I'm getting from it. See? Many of us females like that. We're just bloody saps with no shame, but that's how it goes lol
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Post by AGECCR on Apr 6, 2017 4:44:42 GMT
Oh God I am almost insulted Thane was written for women. We don't want a guy who is dying and pining for his dead wife. They even tried some bi dialogue for Thane, but it never worked out in the end. Jaal's romance is basically a romantic fanfic a woman would write. I think Cathleen attempted to see if writing him bi could work, but it never went far.This is one of the reasons I'm against changing Jaal's orientation. I don't know where people are getting the idea that Jaal was meant to be bi from the start because I bet a million that if that were the case, he would've been in the shipped game as bi. I can't imagine Cathleen would allow that character's orientation to change to "cut content down". It makes no sense. If cutting content was what was required, Jaal would still be bi but we'd have the same situation as with Reyes and Peebee, where the content wouldn't have been adjusted properly for whichever Ryder was engaged in the romance.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 4:46:58 GMT
Oh God I am almost insulted Thane was written for women. We don't want a guy who is dying and pining for his dead wife. They even tried some bi dialogue for Thane, but it never worked out in the end. Jaal's romance is basically a romantic fanfic a woman would write. I think Cathleen attempted to see if writing him bi could work, but it never went far.This is one of the reasons I'm against changing Jaal's orientation. I don't know where people are getting the idea that Jaal was meant to be bi from the start because I bet a million that if that were the case, he would've been in the shipped game as bi. I can't imagine Cathleen would allow that character's orientation to change to "cut content down". It makes no sense. If cutting content was what was required, Jaal would still be bi but we'd have the same situation as with Reyes and Peebee, where the content wouldn't have been adjusted properly for whichever Ryder was engaged in the romance. Scott has an "I love you to, Jaal" line Tom recorded. It's obvious they tried or considered to attempt at making Jaal bi, but I'm guessing because of how Sara's romance was written, it just didn't seem right to copy Scott's model and have Tom say the same lines. Also Jaal and Sara's romance connect to her set background the game gives her. I think the investment in his romance with Sara went sooo deep, it was hard to find a balance.
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Post by AGECCR on Apr 6, 2017 4:58:08 GMT
This is one of the reasons I'm against changing Jaal's orientation. I don't know where people are getting the idea that Jaal was meant to be bi from the start because I bet a million that if that were the case, he would've been in the shipped game as bi. I can't imagine Cathleen would allow that character's orientation to change to "cut content down". It makes no sense. If cutting content was what was required, Jaal would still be bi but we'd have the same situation as with Reyes and Peebee, where the content wouldn't have been adjusted properly for whichever Ryder was engaged in the romance. Scott has an "I love you to, Jaal" line Tom recorded. It's obvious they tried or considered to attempt at making Jaal bi, but I'm guessing because of how Sara's romance was written, it just didn't seem right to copy Scott's model and have Tom say the same lines. Also Jaal and Sara's romance connect to her set background the game gives her. I think the investment in his romance with Sara went sooo deep, it was hard to find a balance. I think they get the protagonists' voice actors to record a lot of lines that they're thinking about but aren't quite sure if they'll go with it or not and put it in the game just in case. It's a working draft. They did try it with Jaal (and so many other characters in their games) but it doesn't mean that that was going to be the way they went. And it wasn't. I agree that his romance was specifically written for Sara.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 4:59:38 GMT
Scott has an "I love you to, Jaal" line Tom recorded. It's obvious they tried or considered to attempt at making Jaal bi, but I'm guessing because of how Sara's romance was written, it just didn't seem right to copy Scott's model and have Tom say the same lines. Also Jaal and Sara's romance connect to her set background the game gives her. I think the investment in his romance with Sara went sooo deep, it was hard to find a balance. I think they get the protagonists' voice actors to record a lot of lines that they're thinking about but aren't quite sure if they'll go with it or not and put it in the game just in case. It's a working draft. They did try it with Jaal (and so many other characters in their games) but it doesn't mean that that was going to be the way they went. And it wasn't. I agree that his romance was specifically written for Sara. Yep! It was just added if they went that route and wrote more (saves money), but it's pretty obvious they decided he was straight long ago.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 5:06:59 GMT
Have I mentioned in the last 5 seconds how abhorrent Yennefer is? Yeah Yennefer is a bitch, but people like that. Morrigan was one of the most popular romance choices in DA:O. I see a lot of Morrigan in Yennefer and vice versa. After reading the Witcher books I wondered whether Yennefer was part of the inspiration behind Morrigan. DA:O was made before there was a weird rivalry between CD Projekt Red and Bioware fans, and the characters have a similar look and personalities.
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