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Post by zeowik on Mar 15, 2017 16:14:13 GMT
Man the mix of matter of fact and 'if' posts is super confusing. It makes spotting any real information harder. Well whatever happens, I just have to say that after playing and beating the ME Trilogy many times and loving every character introduced, BW did it again with MEA. Even the lesser NPC's stand out and continue to give me a good feeling of the upcoming DLC's and the next full game in this new saga. And I expect many more romances will happen too. There's only so many times you can say '' oh well maybe next time, we'll see! '' And there's only so many times you can find any solace in that. Yep. Finding it hard to imagine what 'If it makes sense.' means without shallow stereotypes makes it much worse too.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 15, 2017 4:19:51 GMT
It's a handful of data points with a single factor out of dozens/hundreds to consider. It takes extreme leaps of logic to try and link sales to romance based solely on the fact the games exist, sold, and have romance.
Edit: Obviously that wasn't in response to the post before this one. I need to learn these boards go so quickly quoting is important.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 15, 2017 4:17:20 GMT
I have Skyrim and I don't really like it tbh. One guy said so and he's not in the team anymore. Even if they still not want to make all the characters as options for both, they at least should've changed their plan for most wanted ones. It's always better to satisfy more than less instead of treating your customers and fans simply as cashcows. and you have no way to demonstrate that their current model is costing them money. Actually that's not true, we can compare the sales of the game that did have everyone bi vs games that don't. Go look up DA2's sales compared to all other BioWare games. I'll wait. Correlation is not causation. It's safe to say it has negligible effect though. I would be surprised if the average person that buys a ME considers romance a primary feature.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 15, 2017 2:59:50 GMT
Suvi, Traynor, and Chambers? Josephine. I agree that they arent as good as squadies. But honestly I understand people being upset about not getting Cora but it looks like Sara gets 2 squadies and a crewmate. I think we are pretty lucky even if they arent to taste plus planet side flings. I don't think F/F has ever had 3 choices in a game. Only 2 squadies once before with Merrill and Isabella. So lets try to put that in perspective. Quality over quantity. Also why do f/f always get alien squadmate as an LI? The exact opposite applies to m/m (no aliens), and I really hope it doesn't apply to this game too. Look I'm gay but equal representation is disproportionate. LGBT people are far rarer. Over-representation would be silly in my opinion. That said, bi characters to be inclusive I like. In other words inclusive romance prospects are great but always having an outright gay squad member etc numbers wise just wouldn't be realistic. Excuse me? You mean spending 50% of your resources on 5% of the potential market might not always be the brightest idea? What is this wild homophobia? I'm literally shaking right now It took me a couple seconds to figure out this was sarcasm.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 15, 2017 2:55:27 GMT
Suvi, Traynor, and Chambers? Josephine. I agree that they arent as good as squadies. But honestly I understand people being upset about not getting Cora but it looks like Sara gets 2 squadies and a crewmate. I think we are pretty lucky even if they arent to taste plus planet side flings. I don't think F/F has ever had 3 choices in a game. Only 2 squadies once before with Merrill and Isabella. So lets try to put that in perspective. There is no "perspective" until we're equal to straight people in all ways, in terms of representation. Look I'm gay but equal representation is disproportionate. LGBT people are far rarer. Over-representation would be silly in my opinion. That said, bi characters to be inclusive I like. In other words inclusive romance prospects are great but always having an outright gay squad member etc numbers wise just wouldn't be realistic. I'm on the "worried" swing of the pendulum now. I'm going to be so very upset if after all this teasing Jaal is representative of one of those "too much of a lady-killer to be bi" stereotypes. I know it's like a broken record but this "we aren't talking romance except when we show things anyway and constantly tease" is so maddening. Stereotypes now and then are nice, but overdone it really annoys me. Bigger = dominant. Smaller = meek. Things so shallow like that annoy me. I'm not saying Bioware is like that, but that "it has to make sense" bit still burns. It's possible the context is missed there, but if it's seriously "he's too much of a ladykiller to be bi" just ARGH. At least things aren't "locked in" so you can meet the characters before deciding your character pursues romance. I'm starting to get very worried though. Why string people along so long? I just don't get it.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 14, 2017 22:46:44 GMT
It doesn't matter how much we are gonna stay positive or believe in bioware. The facts, the vids, the reviews are all there. I'm pretty sure the m/m romances are gonna have the least content in this game. If they are "all there" where are the confirmations/de-confirmations? Do you have links? It's funny how with all the massive spoilers bouncing around now this topic is still largely a mystery.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 14, 2017 16:29:11 GMT
I'd just appreciate if someone put me out of my misery already :poker: Well as the saying goes misery loves company. It won't be too long now. I'll still want to go through his presumed friendship arc if he's straight but I really will dislike it if they string us along for so long only to learn there was no hope all along.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 14, 2017 13:01:08 GMT
So time to read that article but if he played Sara the lady-killer comment might not be shooting down m/m chances. I am starting to worry more again though. The teasing shifts between being fun and aggravating. That was 100% Ian's tweet, sorry about that. Ian has to do that. He's not allowed to reveal romances. EA Marketing does that by choice (trailer vids). The only reason we know Sara can romance Jaal is because of that article, and a few people who tipped me and a couple of others off about it months ago when their friends who do ratings for the game told them about some scenes. Oh I know I wasn't blaming him.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 14, 2017 12:56:36 GMT
So time to read that article but if he played Sara the lady-killer comment might not be shooting down m/m chances. I am starting to worry more again though. The teasing shifts between being fun and aggravating. Yaaaay! Thank you for calming my fears on that account! I keep forgetting a lot of you don't know certain stuff the rest of us do, so I was't sure why people were suddenly afraid of not romancing him. That was 100% Ian's tweet, sorry about that. He emphasized he can't even confirm he is a potential romance.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 14, 2017 4:45:01 GMT
I'm not on Twitter. Any chance someone who is can ask a dev if Scott gets angara hugs? They have been extremely mum on all questions like this.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 14, 2017 4:12:22 GMT
And I used a bad example... Those two wild cats are so close like modern humans to Neanderthals. You chose a good example to show what I was saying. At some point you have to draw the line where it's a different species, and I used to think it was simple as saying the offspring need to be able to reproduce but that is not the case because the offspring of some mixed-species animals on Earth can in fact reproduce. My point wasn't that there isn't any difference, but instead that the hard defined categories are social constructs.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 14, 2017 3:37:24 GMT
The rumors and concrete info fluctuates so often it's hard to keep track, especially with those recent tweets.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 14, 2017 3:35:31 GMT
Edit: Man they are masters of teasing. It was largely assumed however: Not to incite a panic or anything... Oh. lol. I thought there was a legit confirmation on it Other than a bunch of conflicting 'leaks' it was said he said he's curious about sex with a human when a Sara player talked to him. Unless I've missed something, that is the closest anything has come but there's no official confirmation either way. Just tons of teasing. Seriously if he really says that in game and he has no romance arc it's the epitome of teasing. Edit 2: Trimmed the magically reproducing line breaks by the Twitter links.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 14, 2017 3:31:08 GMT
Jaal is 110% confirmed for female. Scott's TBA but supposedly hinted as bi. Really? When was this confirmed? It was largely assumed however: Not to incite a panic or anything...
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Post by zeowik on Mar 14, 2017 3:26:49 GMT
Really it's down to arguing semantics. Technically even species are social constructs. The reality is far more complex considering we share far more in common with all other life on this planet than how we are different. Gender simply is. Chasing a notion that it could not exist is unrealistic. It also implies there is something wrong with the concept of gender existing.
Zootopia is such a great movie, because its main theme really can be applied here. Stereotypes exist and sometimes they are true. That doesn't mean they are intrinsically bad or can't be funny. It's only when things are taken to the point of prejudice and bigotry that it's a problem. Simply acknowledging there are differences isn't a problem on its own. Providing say girly and boyish Happy Meals on its own isn't a problem; ridiculing a child for choosing the 'wrong' one is, etc. For that matter ridiculing a child for being stereotypically girlish or boyish would be just as bad.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 14, 2017 2:31:04 GMT
Man on the topic of Ian and other developers not having to interact with the fans, I feel so sorry for them if Jaal is not bi or if he's not a potential romance partner at all. It will get so very ugly if that happens. I really hope it doesn't. AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! The MEA trial just popped up in my Origin library. It's happening!! Pre-load date March 15th. I'm looking in my library and I see March 20th for the release date. It confused me until I saw it says 11PM CDT. Maybe I'll sneak in an hour or two before bed. Off topic chatter in spoiler: In Spoiler for OT rant: I've always loved how banks work. Money goes out immediately, but refunds/deposits take days. Up yours, you greedy %$#^! Yup. And when it's something like a transfer between banks, at least has sense. Hell, even with a deposit if it's from a check or you do it on an ATM that uses envelopes for deposits. But a purchase/refund made online? You need half a second to charge me and ten days to refund me? Doesn't that sound a bit disproportionate?
Ugh, I hate banks. And EA too. Just to play devil's advocate a little bit regarding overdraft charges, my sister worked at a bank and she said the like $30 overdraft fee was actually less than what it actually cost the bank when it happened.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 14, 2017 2:23:11 GMT
I deleted my previous post. I didn't know it was contentious and didn't refresh the topic to read the mod message.
I will leave one thing however I brought up: filling in the blanks. In The Elder Scrolls most of the story is up to the player. The romance in Skyrim is a totally blank slate and borderline doesn't exist without the player making their own story. I think that works very well for that series.
I don't know how often blanks are left in Bioware's narratives, but I'd imagine the player can imagine what they wish in ambiguous situations in the storytelling, within the bounds of the evidence in game. Granted with fan fiction it doesn't even have to be within the bounds of the game, since it is just a game after all.
At the least I think it's interesting contrasting the styles of storytelling: World building with a blank slate for the player's imagination vs. a more focused storytelling experience. I like both styles and think they suit their respective series well.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 14, 2017 2:04:58 GMT
I thought the idea of this topic overtaking the Twitter thread was ridiculous, and it still hasn't happened, but at this point I won't be surprised if it has by tomorrow night. It's going to show up in some DLC, just watch. This wild ride never ends! Oh it could easily be referenced in the main game. I'm not saying it will, but it would be hilarious.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 14, 2017 2:00:39 GMT
I know I'm a little late on this, but if they claim it's intentional, then why did Aaryn act surprised when it was presented to him on Twitter? ...Probably because he's not responsible for creating all of advertisement content there is - or remembers everything during intense and stressful game launch time? It was 100% confirmed a mistake. The troll conspiracy theory only works at all due to dumb ratings stuff in the past. For example Klingons in Star Trek do not have purple/pink blood but they do in the Star Trek VI movie because it would have gotten an R rating if it was red.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 14, 2017 1:12:21 GMT
Lets be honest... Shepard could use a sexual harassment intervention. Except for mine who was COMPLETELY faithful to Liara throughout 3 games. Thank god for alternative save files.As was mine. Liara was bae. I'm not even into women and I don't think I'd make my character leave her despite the opened up options in ME3. Maybe I'd try differently replaying the trilogy but I liked Liara's character. i have zero interest in jaal so if he's bi, it will still feel like no m/m squadmate exists. for me at least. but, i already started to make my peace with this fact. At least in that case it's a matter of personal taste, not because they unilaterally screwed us over. Indeed. When I keep saying I'm going to try and be calm if Jaal is straight it's as much a message to myself too. Oh man it will stink if he turns out straight. And if he turns out to be not a romance option at all well they are just mean with the teasing.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 14, 2017 1:04:15 GMT
On the tragic angle I can think of a few ideas but they are so completely riddled with very terrible (potential) spoilers I'm not even going to say it in this topic.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 13, 2017 23:42:24 GMT
Sara, however he didn't specify gender in the comment was the point. Man I can't wait for this to be determined for real. I keep saying it, but if not for the hype I'd not be so invested in finding out. Meh, if he said that to Sara and it was a response to a flirt option, am not too confident. It's more that it's not a deconfirmation. Yeah I'm setting myself up for disappointment, but I'm clinging to hope.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 13, 2017 23:37:08 GMT
Okay what am I missing here? What is the difference between a close friendship and asexual romance? I'm not understanding the distinction. Or do people just mean without any explicit scenes? Hopefully the scenes are optional regardless of the romance. They did say the friendships are meant to be very well developed too though. One did mention he said something along the lines of that he was curious about sex with a human, and he didn't say woman/female/etc. in that rumor . I'm just keeping my hopes up. Did he say that to Scott or Sara though :srs: Sara, however he didn't specify gender in the comment was the point. Man I can't wait for this to be determined for real. I keep saying it, but if not for the hype I'd not be so invested in finding out. I replayed Mass Effect 1 a few months ago and I still got ninjamanced by Ashley, even though I went in deliberately picking a large number of negative dialogue options in my conversations with her to prevent it from happening. It is ridiculous how much like leeches the romance options are in earlier games. It's baffling. I'm always going to remember the moment when just trying to be nice ended up with my guy being all like: *Corny and suave* "So, where do we stand?" ME: Alt + F4!
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Post by zeowik on Mar 13, 2017 23:33:11 GMT
Okay what am I missing here? What is the difference between a close friendship and asexual romance? I'm not understanding the distinction. Or do people just mean without any explicit scenes? Hopefully the scenes are optional regardless of the romance. They did say the friendships are meant to be very well developed too though. I think it worth noting that the leaks claiming Jaal is bi are a better match to the impressions that early playtesters have gotten. I've said it before: if I trust anyone right now, it's the people who have had a chance to see the characters for themselves. Haven't we had only one playtester have a vague guess that Jaal might be '' omnisexual '' despite having no evidence, though. One did mention he said something along the lines of that he was curious about sex with a human, and he didn't say woman/female/etc. in that rumor . I'm just keeping my hopes up.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 13, 2017 23:18:07 GMT
Soo... since it's quieted down considerably now, I dare venture a bit OT again. I had a shocking realizition a few hours ago when someone mentioned pyjaks. I STILL didn't have a name for the pyjak that'd come with my deluxe edition. Unthinkable and utterly undeserved! Soo... I gave it some thought and decided that, since my Ryders would for obvious reasons be huge Shepard fans, they'd try to name their pet after my canon FemShep, whose name is Jordan. But that's not cute enough for a pyjak, so they'd shorten it to Jojo. Which is funnily enough the designation for the yoyo toy in my language, so I think it fits very well. And now I want to know what all of you would name your pyjak, deluxe edition owner or not! I never thought about this but I think I'm going to steal take inspiration from the Soony name.
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